D3fr0st5: I prefer homemade pizza, but that's probably because I suck at making pasta
Itazu:
The_Ocean_who_Subbed yusss alfredo all the way 
CrazyFishPerson: You don't like tomato sauces on pasta, or tomato sauces are better on pizza then pasta?
ArtofDaDress: *shrug*
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: alfredo is also good. or carbonara
couldntpickausername: and power is back
Itazu: CrazyFishPerson not a fan of tomato sauces on pizza either
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: I don't like tomato sauces in general, but will tolerate it in small doses on pizza
EoTFoF: so chat, I went out and bought a PS4. what did I miss?
D3fr0st5: Fettucini with olive oil and pesto!
CrazyFishPerson: Fair enough, do you just not like tomato?
Jelkimantis: What are they doing on talking Simulator tonight?
All_mankind: that game that kept crashing didn't make anyone happy, did it?
ArtofDaDress: well, at least the other letsnope with lifeline is still working.
ArtofDaDress: ima go finish that
CrazyFishPerson: @D3fr0st5 that sounds amazing
ArtofDaDress: brb later
Juliamon: Jelkimantis hopefully finishing Undertale
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: CrazyFishPerson yep, I only like it in salsa, ketchup, and bbq sauce
Itazu: CrazyFishPerson yeah, basically, lol. though, i like tomato soup sometimes. and i'm fine with ketchup
ArtofDaDress: actually brb in 17 minutes because of tsim
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: will tolerate it in caprese salads because fresh mozzarella and basil is life changing
ArtofDaDress: also, why're they still online? are they just keeping it up til tsim for convenience?
herpty_derp: !next
ArtofDaDress: @LoadingReadyRun strim still up fam
Juliamon: They just forgot again.
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: D3fr0st5 yeah that sounds amazing, I'll probably go with that
Itazu:
The_Ocean_who_Subbed are you secretly me? 
MungoDude: I think Graham pressed the wrong button, then the right button, but forgot the next button
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: Itazu you're in florida and I'm in Washington so....no
D3fr0st5: I made a difference!
Itazu: The_Ocean_who_Subbed good point, lol
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: oh also D3fr0st5 did I tell you the red panda at the zoo in seattle has an instagram?
ArtofDaDress: HEY JAMS
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: it's THE BEST
breathlessisthehunt: Lol hi
Phothrism: lol
TenFourks: lmao
MungoDude: hehe
cheetoJack: !highlight thats awkward
Scarbble: weeeeeird
Baldrash: Hahaha!
Zakk_Z: oh ***
ArtofDaDress: i was about to tweet u
breathlessisthehunt: Hey hunny
asddsa28: hi
VariableVacancy: !highlight online
LRRbot: Highlight added.
BloodForTheCorelab: LOL JAmes
DerPilsner: hot mic
mogling:
This is not the gym! 
Kairanie: Hi James
khuasta: the looong stinger
Molvanian: Mysterious James voice, go!
phorrestgaze: lol
Phothrism: go offline i guess?
Texan_Reverend: haha hi, James!
rarermonsters: James Simulator online
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: oh hey
Foxmar320: Its the mountain climber himself!
NickTheDM: The best stream
breathlessisthehunt: A+ Quality stream
TeiranDragon:
CavemanKellen: hi james
Talin06: i blame James
Earthenone: James Simulator
Kairanie: so nice
asddsa28: i was waiting for the next show yea i can play in the backrond
Neon_Trippyrainbows: HI JAMES
theRomanoid: Looks nice
cChroma: o hai
JinaMahavira: super awk
apodionysus: ENTERTAIN US JAMES
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: this is what I get for closing the stream window
lemmeloth: amazing stream
ThinksTooMuch:
Good stream good stream
Texan_Reverend: High quality content.
phorrestgaze: yeah
theRomanoid: Keep it running
ArtofDaDress: tell us what Graham says
Robot_Bones: Just as planned
jubale1: hi james
RobertMerlow: Whoops
Phothrism: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Talking Simulator at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (14m from now).
Neon_Trippyrainbows: best
PMAvers:
there
DoodlestheGreat: OOPSIE
Mijnheer: all according to keikaku
Neon_Trippyrainbows: no leave it up
cuttlefishman: So... do we blame Graham?
cuttlefishman: or James?
CrazyFishPerson: The real quesiton for me is do I finish off my tom yum soup now (lunch) or save it for my dinner?
Scarbble: translators note: keikaku means plan
KeiranCoon: Looking forward to the reactions to the last two fights of the Neutral run.
aesir_blade: was there jamestertainment briefly there
Foxmar320: Yep we blame Graham
herpty_derp: RIP
D3fr0st5: Blame Matt, as is tradition
DoodlestheGreat: Working as intended.
All_mankind: here i was hoping they would just keep it on and keep everyone from having to reload when Talking Sim goes on
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: #blame lrrMATT
cChroma: god danm it Matt
HydraWiggins: Indeed, damn it Matt
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: I can remember emotes.
Foxmar320: lol
The_Ocean_who_Subbed:
cChroma:
D3fr0st5:
MungoDude:
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: teaching high school means waking up at 5:30 am and I don't handle that well
D3fr0st5: @The_Ocean_who_Subbed that sounds awful
Foxmar320: People wake up at 5:30 am?
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: D3fr0st5 Yeah and tomorrow I have to wake up at 5:30, be there by 7, and then sit around until 9 when the kids show up
ArtofDaDress: is that the girl and dog from FMA?
D3fr0st5: @Djshire you monster
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: because the real teachers do PD in the morning on Fridays, but the subs still have to show up early anyway
ArtofDaDress: @Djshire hilarious
couldntpickausername: @Djshire I nearly made Beej spit take on stream with that previously
Pteraspidomorphi: I usually start at 7 on fridays but fortunately I am on holidays
Pteraspidomorphi: What's on talking simulator today?
D3fr0st5: All you morning people, how do you do it?
Djshire: couldntpickausername lol
KeiranCoon: undertale
Pteraspidomorphi: Sleep only 1 cycle and drink coffee
HydraWiggins: It's just before 2am in the UK
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: I am very much not D3fr0st5. I just end up sleep deprived and then take a nap when I come home from school
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: Unless it's W&P Wednesday, then I miss my nap
Pteraspidomorphi: I fall asleep watching the crapshoot, at 9 pm
ArtofDaDress: I wish Avast would stop considering my steam library files junk data
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herpty_derp: I just end up sleep deprived. I don't have time for naps
ArtofDaDress: makes my purchases feel petty..
DRMagnify: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Talking Simulator at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (8m from now).
Karfsma778: Is Talking Simulator an hour later this week or is it just me?
Cw3040: its just yoy
ArtofDaDress: no, its normal
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: Same as always
Djshire: D3fr0st5 you just have to tell yourself to go to bed at a reasonable time, and when your alarm goes off, you only shut it off when you're standing
ekimekim3000: likely a timezone issue
Cw3040: aeiou
ArtofDaDress: Here's a tip that will consistently get you awake no matter how tired you are
Karfsma778: I could have sworn it started at 8 (eastern) usually... weird. I could just be losing my mind. That's a distinct possibility
ArtofDaDress: after you wake up, slam a glass of water
D3fr0st5: @Djshire last morning I learned I could sleep through half an hour of an alarm...
Karfsma778: !sir
LRRbot: Sir? Sir! That appears to be some sort of sidewalk slam.
ArtofDaDress: your brain kicks into gear real quick
EoTFoF: is anyone else having problems with some of the VODs?
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: oh noooooo. Alarms aren't supposed to work like that D3fr0st5
solahwin_tampramain: !next ?
LRRbot: Unknown timezone: ?
solahwin_tampramain: what?
solahwin_tampramain: !next
KeiranCoon: !next
Djshire: D3fr0st5 find sounds that will wake you up and make you alert right when they go off. I personally use the theme to Pacific Rim
ArtofDaDress: @EoTFoF yea, im real salty about it
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Talking Simulator at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (6m from now).
ArtofDaDress: @EoTFoF i missed, and now cant watch, the outlast 2 stream
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: there we go
Pteraspidomorphi: Why can't you watch it?
ArtofDaDress: twitch is borked
EoTFoF: @ArtofDaDress I don't seem to have outlast 2 or Mine o'clock
ArtofDaDress: me either
ArtofDaDress: im also missing the latest AFK and checkpoint
Cw3040: i use The Algorithm - Panic (the second half of it) to wake me up from naps
Djshire: D3fr0st5 a fun one to use: the air siren from Silent Hill
KeiranCoon:
@Djshire I generally use Genji's "Ryujin no ken wo kurae!". I'm a Lucio main so that immediately makes me wake up.
CrazyFishPerson: Just finished myaking myself food, and in the process I hit a question that I really need answering.
blackwlf: @ArtofDaDress You really didn't miss much with outlast.
CrazyFishPerson: Is this the Talking sim preshow chat, or the magic post show chat?
ekimekim3000: yes
KeiranCoon: ^
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: yes
solahwin_tampramain: yes
ArtofDaDress: @blackwlf thats not the point, i still want to watch the stream
Karfsma778: 6 of one
SAJewers: yes
BloodForTheCorelab: yes
Cw3040: maybe
ekimekim3000: no
2Flower: magic magic magic magic, maaagiiiic.
sgowell: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Talking Simulator at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (3m from now).
blackwlf: @ArtofDaDress I'm sure they'll have it up on youtube soonish.
D3fr0st5:
I've got radio as my alarm 
Usually works just not last morning
Karfsma778: magic magic MAGIC magic magic
2Flower: Huh, neat.
Karfsma778:
Phothrism: !next
Cw3040: GOOOD MORNING VIET NAM!
Karfsma778:
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: they're new as of...yesterday?
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: I think yesterday
Karfsma778: yes
KeiranCoon: I'm thinking of going with "Spear of Justice" as my morning alarn though.
Karfsma778: yesterday
Djshire: Cw3040 "good" and "morning" don't belong in the same multiverse
ArtofDaDress: @blackwlf still peeved, cuz i rly like chat log
Karfsma778: !advice
LRRbot: You passed it.
Djshire: !badadvice
LRRbot: It's just ahead.
Cw3040: they do in my universe, im a morning person tbh
Karfsma778: !quote adam
LRRbot: Quote #62: "I just bent a piece of rebar in my anus. That's how hard I clenched." —Adam [2015-03-22]
blackwlf: @ArtofDaDress Fair.
rockario: Still think we need another arrow facing the other way
Djshire: Cw3040 i am too, but I still don't like waking up
D3fr0st5:
It's a running joke at my office that I go around wishing people good morning, as I usually get there at 1 or 2... 
Saulens181: I hear Alex and Cam are gonna kill some dogs.
Juliamon: My mom always tells me "good morning" when I get up around 3
blackwlf: Crap, I'm out of books to read again.
Karfsma778: Are they still playing dog murder simulator?
CrazyFishPerson: For some reason in my fisrt year of uni I greeted all my friends with goodmorning regardless of the time of day.
Cw3040: "I got up early!" "IT'S NOON!"
arcaneIllumination: I feel like this chat will end up having some people (including me) experimenting with the new emotes.
Djshire: how do some of you people wake up so late? I get up past 9 and I feel like most of the day is gone
Saulens181: Aren't they finishing up today?
Alephred: What's today's TS game?
Djshire: Saulens181 should be
Saulens181: Undertale
All_mankind: it's 3 am here
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: If I wake up after noon the day feels wasted
D3fr0st5: @Cw3040 "It's early for me"
banachspacebar: finishing undertale
2Flower: They can finish the neutral run today but isn't the pacifist run a bunch of hours on top?
Saulens181: 2 am here
Juliamon: Djshire you're assuming we go to bed at a reasonable time
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: but I can't do that anymore because silly teaching schedules
Djshire high fives The_Ocean_who_Subbed
Juliamon: I tend to go to sleep around 7am
Phothrism: !next
D3fr0st5: @The_Ocean_who_Subbed that's why you stay up until 4, and the vicious cycle continues
Karfsma778: 5am and get up at 10am
Djshire: Juliamon why?
khuasta: the pascifist run is not that much longer
Alephred: My window of wakefulness rotates around the day until it wraps right around.
Juliamon: I have an easier time sleeping when I can hear people moving about the house
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: D3fr0st5 when I was waitressing yes, that was totally me
Juliamon: I think it's because I trust them to wake me up if I get stuck in a nightmare
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: nowadays not so much.
Juliamon: if everyone else is asleep, who will save me?
Cw3040: I usually sleep 12am-5am and supplant 16oz of energy drink per hour of sleep till i get to 8am
CrazyFishPerson: Used to change my sleep scedual daily. Now I sleep from midnight to 6/7
Djshire:
Juliamon sometimes, the only person that you can save you is you
arcaneIllumination: I will sometimes slip in really late, usually the first day of a break, but most of the time I rather enjoy getting up early and enjoying the silence and peacefulness, which is usually missing from a college dorm.
ekimekim3000: I've been on a 28-hr day for about 6 years.
rockario: I forget, do they need to befriend Papyrus and Undyne before the ending, or can they go back after and still get the extra area?
khuasta: i sleep from 6 am to 2 pm
couldntpickausername saves @Juliamon......... in a tax free savings account
arcaneIllumination: *sleep in
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: the past two days have been 1am-5:30am. I need to fix it
antoinedi_art: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Talking Simulator at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (47s ago).
Phothrism: they're late :<
Itazu: rockario they can go back after
dungeonmaster982: I've got a few friends who sleep from about 7 am to 5pm, it's slightly annoying on weekends when I wanna do stuff with them, cause I wait until night for them to be awake.
ekimekim3000: rockario: they can do it anytime, but they need to finish the game at least once to unlock true lab
Djshire: OMG THEY'RE A MINUTE LATE EVERYONE PANIC
CrazyFishPerson: @ekimekim3000 I have wanted to do that for a while. but it has never worked with my scedual.
solahwin_tampramain:
thare late lrrARROW
rockario: Okay, good. That seems like the intended experience, since the game will remind them.
ekimekim3000: CrazyFishPerson I'm lucky in that I have a flexible job
solahwin_tampramain:
CrazyFishPerson: !panic
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CrazyFishPerson: flicker
ekimekim3000:
Cw3040: Lars Gearhart was never here!
Phothrism: :signal:
rockario: (they're supposed to be ellipses)
Djshire: SERGUL
Itazu: rockario the first time i played, i didn't hang out with Undyne until after i got the neutral end
Mysterious_Challenger:
Phothrism:
i mean
Pteraspidomorphi: Twitch so well behaved today
breathlessisthehunt: Talis1990
KeiranCoon:
Cw3040:
Valliac: red pandas standin by
Djshire: Thank you Twitch for that pop-up that told me that the stream I'm already in just went live
t3h_f1gm3nt: WHOOO! Finally get to catch this live for a change!
Cw3040: T-34 waiting deployment
CrazyFishPerson: I am counting down to the end of time
pedrodamoth: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Talking Simulator at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (2m ago).
chaosblad3: lrrSIGNAL go
solahwin_tampramain: are they on?
TheLittleMakoThatCould: Holy shit, good timing. I jus poppe din
Djshire: Pteraspidomorphi now its going to die right at the game ending
arcaneIllumination: @Djshire yeah, that is annoying.
Alephred: Ugh, I have 3 hours left to drink my remaining 2L of water if I want to stay on schedule.
Cw3040: @chaosblad3 gotta sub my friend
sag3error:
MsL3th4l: they have to get that last shot of jack before dealing with the backseating for this game lol
Ash_Grove: This is my first live LRL stream.
antoinedi_art: time for some good music, story and characters
Djshire: Alephred you keep a water drinking schedule? Any reason why?
khuasta: welcome Ash_Grove!
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Juliamon: Welcome!
The_Ocean_who_Subbed: Ahhhh congrats Ash_Grove!
Juliamon:
Karfsma778:
one minute
Foxmar320:
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Mysterious_Challenger: I should try to get a snack in 1 min
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Cw3040: Hello and Welcome, Ash_Grove
Djshire: welcome Ash_Grove
The_Wind_And_I: Knowing that the stream will continue fills me with... determination!
Ash_Grove: Thanks guys
mogling: See I planned ahead, my snack just arrived.
Alephred:
@djshire I've been trying to make sure I get enough water, because I tend to ignore thirst. So I have a handy app that I use to track water intake. I have only drunken 1L so far today, and it's 8 pm. 
khuasta: remember no backsiting chat!
pedrodamoth: This thunderbirds commercial is driving me insane
BonSequitur: Oh look I'm just in time for talking sim
AppleshyJedi:
BonSequitur: What game is it today?
kpiozero: We swore an oath
arcaneIllumination: All I know is that I am 100% going to avoid backseating after the Let's Nope last night. That was enough self cause embarrassment for the next several weeks.
Djshire:
pedrodamoth so wish it would just....GO! away?
kpiozero: no backseat driving chat
Cw3040: crashing made me forget the me
Contiguouskittycat: All right, I have reached the "You have to kill God" portion of Persona 5.
RealGamerCow:
spoilers 
backseating 
HatTheButcher Rolls into chat
Djshire: kpiozero I didn't swear any oaths!
toasthaste: @Contiguouskittycat is God also your dad?
Pteraspidomorphi: Was it bad, arcaneIllumination? When Alex said to go away if I wanted to play the game myself, I did
kpiozero: YOU SWORE AN OATH DJ
mogling: Marty Marty, you gotta turn left here, we just passed the gas station. Marty turn left.
t3h_f1gm3nt: @Contiguouskittycat gotta love that part
Saulens181: backseating is only allowed by signing in front of your monitor/screen
Karfsma778: gwah!
sag3error:
Djshire: kpiozero NO I *** DIDN'T
Phothrism: yay!
couldntpickausername: !highlight intro
Karfsma778: suddenly, a stream!
Ba_Dum_Tish: @toasthaste Depends on which game
LRRbot: Highlight added.
breathlessisthehunt: hey guys!
CosmicDuctTape: intro plz
Djshire: kpiozero really I missed that part of the stream
dungeonmaster982: But that day is NOT this day...
aussz: did you remember to tweet? @LoadingReadyRun
ehsteve88: Remember that time this game has a character that is a literal parody of us?
Alephred: Woo.
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All_mankind: hiya lads
khuasta: you could start with jhon madden each time
Lord_Hosk farts
DoodlestheGreat: Hay guyz.
Contiguouskittycat: Hi Cam, hi fam! Wait, wrong stream.
rockario: Seconding, the no backseating. They can go straight to the end from here without locking themself out of anything
sag3error:
solahwin_tampramain: @loadingreadyrun can you turn off the chat during bosses?
Rourke9: That article was wild
arcaneIllumination: @Pteraspidomorphi For me personally, yes.
BusTed: Hey all.
CrazyFishPerson: Hi Alex, Cameron. Have a good gam
elah806: Does English Country Tune have a story?
BonSequitur: I see we are all up to date on the bogostening
DoodlestheGreat: Pac Man?
Cw3040: welcome to talking simulator on sal-
MC_GigglePants: Video games can't have stories any more guys. Shut it down!
chesul: define "doesn't have a story"?
HatTheButcher: @Lord_Hosk GDI Hosk....
banachspacebar: Tetris doesn't have a story
MrPhlip: So, my estimate is they've got about half an hour left to the main ending, and maybe an hour or two for the "true" ending if they push on for that.
sgowell: Surround on Atari?
banachspacebar: mostly
Karfsma778: fuuuuuck that article
Assassinite9: duke nukem forever has almost no story
HatTheButcher: @BusTed !!!!
thelamenamegame: ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The_Wind_And_I: *vomiting sounds*
t3h_f1gm3nt:
50 finally get to catch you guys live for a change! glad to see you talk about this game, even if Cam didn't actually make this a Kill All Dogs run
Lord_Durin:
Missile Defense definitely doesn't have a story 
Questhere: wat
lithium_argillos: Tetris has no story, I assume. Neither does really pacman, or pong
misteline: Soooo like Tetris?
Contiguouskittycat: Tetris doesn't have a story does it?
Edgarware: clickbait gonna clickbait
BonSequitur: Let me quote Austin Walker: "You ever see a take so bad you have to immediately go to sleep?"
Pteraspidomorphi: arcaneIllumination: Didn't get to watch their outcome but personally I was totally fooled
theRomanoid: "Movies are better without the story"
aussz: @LoadingReadyRun tweet or graham will kill you
Karfsma778: Maaaybe Civ could be argued to not have a story?
TheExactSame: the jimmy?
misteline: Pacman has a story
Cw3040: Story has little influence on whether or not a game is a game
SamanthaVess: Most 4X games don't have stories.
TophTheHermit subscribed for 8 months in a row!
TophTheHermit: I only play games if they have a good story mode.
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MC_GigglePants: Austin Walker's response on waypoint was pretty good
mogling: My favorite game doesn't really have a story. I mean they added a story mode in the 22nd version of the game. But really there is no story.
SerGarretCameron: Suck clickbait, very crunchtime.
Skyboss1996: You gotta open it up hard
MrPhlip: Knock knock, open up the door, it's academia
Ba_Dum_Tish: Tetris is the story of life. Your mistakes pile up while your accomplishments disappear
Karfsma778:
aussz: HA HA HA HA HA
cChroma: Alex's tweets this morning were pretty good aboot it.
Scarbble:
All_mankind: the thesis was "why do games need story when movies and stuff already have them?" if i read the twitter buzz correctly
Skyboss1996: SPOOPS
Stratavarius: Tweetspooks
ekimekim3000: SamanthaVess: I'd argue the story there is created more by the player, but there is still a story
DoodlestheGreat: WHUPS!
aussz:
Djshire: SOMEONE ALERT GRAHAM
khuasta:
guys, you two are the best 
chesul: do you count games where you make your own story? cause if those don't count then Dwarf Fortress.
breathlessisthehunt: Should we start reminding u to tweet Alex?
Contiguouskittycat: Alex's panic distracts me from my own. Thanks for that guys.
MsL3th4l: so madden is better than, say, Mass Effect?
t3h_f1gm3nt:
@Mogling Madden?
VariableVacancy: gotta get grants
DoodlestheGreat:
BonSequitur: I mean the thing about that Bogost piece is that... it was badly written and argued, honestly?
Phothrism:
tweet to day tweet tomorrow
mogling:
Pop'n Music 
Itazu: Alex is tweeting so hard, the camera was shaking
elah806: Academic papers are clickbaity because there are SO MANY and only so many pages of search results undergrads are willing to click through for the five sources they need to get brownie points
Questhere: keep talking and Graham doesnt explode?
rarermonsters: "You won't believe what the South American Chiroptera Genius in a Semi-natural Enclosure look like After a Several Month Exposure to Dipsothamamyne"
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auxv: story by assembly?
Skyboss1996: Tweet twoted
Arclight_Dynamo: Evening all! How are you?
Esuke_Ren: Dear Dr. Cam and Alex, if you decide to not pursue the True Pacifist Ending on stream, I highly recommend you either do so off stream or look up the credits stinger for the True Pacifist Run to discuss on the next Talking Simulator.
Arclight_Dynamo: Oh, we're talking about THE THING, eh?
LRRTwitter:
@loadingreadyrun> Talking Simulator Games are better without thinkpieces - Undertale https://t.co/5tYsuEZ1P9
CrazyFishPerson: He had good points, but drew bad conclusions from them is the way I read that article
Mysterious_Challenger: Games need GAME stories, not NO stories
Karfsma778: interactive storytelling is sweeeet
Lord_Hosk: If academic papers didn't have clickbait titles people would fall asleep before the got to the thesis statement.
mogling: Some games would be better without story tho.
WabisabiEvan: Hello Dynamo I'm feeling mildly surly for unknown reasons.
All_mankind: like Night in the Woods could have worked as a movie but probably not as well
MC_GigglePants: People who make games don't necessary write books though. Nothing wrong with a game telling a story.
nattsan: To varying degrees, oral storytelling is far weaker.
Skyboss1996: Emergent Gameplay!
t3h_f1gm3nt: games are just a different way of telling a story
Contiguouskittycat: Persona 5 has a story that I can't really imagine being told quite as well in any other medium.
LeeshaJoy: I will say, one thing that does irritate me is games that insert story where none is required. I'm looking at you, the entire genre of hidden object games.
Djshire: Or how Silent Hill the game feels different from Silent Hill the movie, because the movie isn't an interactive medium
BonSequitur: Bogost is kind of... dishonestly banking on talking about "story" in a restricted and academic sense (where it just means the preexisting scripted text of the game) and the better understood sense of "story" which the general public will understand
banachspacebar: Spec Ops: the line was a very interesting retelling of Heart of Darkness
rarermonsters: Tetris has a story. It's about the struggle to maintain order, before a misplaced block is an inciting incident that creates rising action and people struggle to recover until a heroic or tragic ending"
arcaneIllumination: @Pteraspidomorphi me and a few others felt that Ben's skipping through the opening part would end up ruining his experience, but in the end it turned out amazing. I gave bits as part of an apology, and was a bit melodramatic, saying "take these bits and please grant me forgiveness", I didn't mean that I felt that I needed to pay them for forgiveness, more of just that I felt bad, and wanted to make up for it in my own weird way.
cChroma: Hideo Kojima is particularly guilty of the movie
Phothrism: so games should only have procedural stories? Not conventional ones like UNDERTALE?
Macheya: GTA IV had a big problem with trying to be a movie.
Arclight_Dynamo: Enh. I mean, even a highly-plotted, heavily-narrative story in a game can work, too. Telltale games exist. It's a matter of taste. It doesn't all have to be Minecraft implied/experiential stories in games.
Djshire: cChroma and making no sense
MillerDark: Is there a link to this article?
ekimekim3000: I feel some of the best 'prescribed' stories in games riff on the idea of interactivity. Undertale and Spec Ops both come to mind.
rockario: I think some people come up with a story first, then try and make a game out of it. They get so focussed they don't realize their story is better told through a different medium
cChroma: @Djshire, and nanomachines, SON
Ba_Dum_Tish: Some games don't need a story, some utterly depend on their story, some you make your own story. The thing with video games is that the medium needs to learn not to emulate movies but find ways to tell the story in a way that video games can
Trippzen: Every game has a story even if the story is just your experiences playing it.
couldntpickausername: the whole discussion rolls around to the discussion I despise of putting gaming on this nonexistant pedestal and gatekeeping what "is a game" as though anyone gets to decide what someone else does for art.
Dr_fragenstien: That's how I play often
Dabari49: Cam and Alex how about a Talking Sim doing the first hour of Outlast vs the first hour of Outlast 2?
BonSequitur: There are bits of that article that just make no sense though, like entire paragraphs of nonsense. I feel like if I submitted that as a draft to any editor I've worked with I'd have gotten a LOT of notes asking for clarification or better examples
Skyboss1996: Far Lands or Bust, a literal journey to the end of the world
rarermonsters: Disregard Structured Narrative, Acquire Resources
Karfsma778: craft meaning "make shit"
Pteraspidomorphi:
arcaneIllumination: Oh you were that guy. I caught that part I figured Ben was justified in skipping the psych profile as it was the second time he was repeating that part of the game.
nattsan: Also now we're getting into the tricky area of definitions of "story" which gets, tricky. I took him as using it to be specifically "pre made narrative you move through in set manner." Say an Uncharted.
BonSequitur: Also, Bogost talks about environmental storytelling and kind of... leaps using it as a proxy for storytelling in games in general? Which is baddd
Alchemistmerlin: Farlands or Bust is a minecraft series that started with a guy just deciding to walk in one direction. It has evolved into a charity thing, but it definitely follows that "just wander around" idea.
FeyLynn: Acquire Process was a less catchy name.
Felix_Xivix: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 8:40.
CrazyFishPerson: But that is a tech problem there.
Skyboss1996: COOL TECHNOLOGY
antoinedi_art: Dwarf Fortress kiiiinda
nattsan: Ultima 7 and the immerisive Sims got VERY close.
thelamenamegame: I think that it whether or not a game should have a story isn't the right question.
Arclight_Dynamo: Honestly, I hate *anything* that says "this is what a game *SHOULD* be." There's nothing normative here. If people like it, it's a good game. No matter what it does. Story or no, heavily-plotted or not.
MilkInBag: I just finished The Expanse season 1, interesting 🤔
BonSequitur: (Also a lot of the holodeck programs from TNG were linear and were about fidelity/immersion and not about story agency, so I'm not sure Bogost fully understands what people mean by the holodeck fantasy...)
Mysterious_Challenger: That kind of sounds to me like
misteline: The story from any of the Persona games would be worthless to me without the gameplay, because mysteries don't work for me. If they are "solvable" I "solve" them before I can get invested.
Phothrism: So do you agree with the central point though? That Games should avoid pre-set stories like Uncharted?
CrazyFishPerson: Of course thjey haven't got it perfect on the first try, how should the first attempt at somethign to ambitions be perfecct?
toasthaste: Yeah, I haven't played Dorf Fort cause I know it would consume my life, but I've always been under the impression that it's the closest we've ever gotten.
Cw3040: @phothrism not quite. Games should have a story told through the atmosphere and the environment as well as character (PC/NPC and/or NPC/NPC) interactions, not just a block of text that says "THIS HAPPENS PRESS A TO CONTINUE"
MC_GigglePants: People said the same things about movies for a long time
arcaneIllumination: @Pteraspidomorphi And so you understand what I meant by self caused embarrassment.
Mysterious_Challenger: 'We were promised flying cars. We didn't GET flying cars. So, we don't need science.'
halispotter: Have you guys ever played The Stanley Parable? I think that might be a good game to play in talking simulator.
DigitalSeahorse: hi
Thisbymaster: why don't we have 24 century technology?
Nightvalien28: maybe he is a hanzo main
GoAmpDog2: Stanley Parable
rarermonsters: A big problem I have with talking about Game Story is how much the industry heaps praise on stuff like The Last of Us
lifecharacter: How long did writing take to go from "Minister from Uruk gave me six sheep" to the Epic of GIlgamesh?
ekimekim3000: Phothrism: I feel like either side of that argument is an unjustified extreme. Both are good in their own way, depending on how the rest of the game works
OriginalGarwulf: I really wouldn't call video games a new medium. They start in 1940, and hit the home market in the 1970s, so this is a medium that is generations old.
Djshire:
Thisbymaster no nuclear war to make us realize how horrific we are....but we're getting there!
Arclight_Dynamo: toasthaste : See, I don't like that sentiment. It has an implicit "Dwarf Fortress is what games *should* be like." I don't think that's true. It's how certain games are, but it's not "more game-like" than a Telltale game.
solahwin_tampramain: @goampdog2 i agree
Dr_fragenstien: Also, is he talking about video games or games in general, because I think tabletop RPGs like D&D cannot exist without storytelling.
Phothrism: @Cw3040 so do you feel like undertale works? In certain ways it's EXTREMELY linear
CrazyFishPerson: So in terms of what doesn't work.... Outlast 2 Alex?????
rarermonsters: And how we obsess on how much games Look Theatrical rather than whether they're actually telling a story
All_mankind: i think games have the potential to put you inside a story more than any other medium. what would be the point of not trying?
Assassinite9: book reading sim
Stratavarius: Well, we take the mediums we KNOW and try to apply the storytelling methods we know, and see what sticks
arcaneIllumination: There was a comment on the article that movies at first weren't good at story telling.
RainMoth: YEAH, I GOT HERE BEFORE THEY STARTED UP
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