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Lizardman175: there we go
EkstraLangeDruer: signal!
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TehAmelie: woo
TXC2: Hello everybody
TehAmelie: halo
SpacePotato01: going offline eh
codatski: *waves*
Fanklok: Must be warp influence
TXC2: ^
LoadingReadyRun: lol
TXC2: there we go
Snowcookies: there we go
LoadingReadyRun: guess how many updates needed to be run when I got into the office this morning
Fanklok: 4
Lizardman175: 17
jessrm: 13
LoadingReadyRun: each one only crashed once
Snowcookies: it's always those damned updates
TehAmelie: i was gonna say 4, but now i have to go with 19
TXC2: oofa doofa
codatski: All of them?
rabbitgta: 7?
LoadingReadyRun: so sorry, I updated the channel information each time I tried to go live
TXC2: they all crashed? were they all for Arena? :p
Mischievous_Catgeist: 24
TehAmelie: well, time to paint the town. . .grey?
Revelations520: dinfa balls???????
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TXC2: Hello Cameron
Thisbymaster: ghost ears!
TehAmelie: hiya
SpacePotato01: I'm melting
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TXC2: it continues to go
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rabbitgta: getting excited for the ppr
Rourke9: its going!
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MAPBoardgames: Convinced to give it another try? Did I miss something in the last couple PiFs I missed?
TeiranDragon: I spent the weekend in the woods. Camping has once again convinced me that Anikan was right about sand.
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codatski: I got absolutely spectacular financial news from my work so I'm riding pretty high
TXC2: MAPBoardgames 90 min mission kinda killed Cameron's enthusiasm for this game
RocknGrohlNerd: hi chat and Cam, I know nothing about 40k but it is fun to watch
MAPBoardgames: @NightShiftGoblin Stray was very kitty spinaChonk
TehAmelie: i watched Sandman for the third time. got my cousin hooked too
TXC2: hello RocknGrohlNerd welcome
Rourke9: which difficulty are we running?
TehAmelie: guns AND ammo? what a combo
TXC2: ruthless
Rourke9: @TXC2 sounds good!
TXC2: !vaselineorbarcode
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TXC2: lrrbot says Hammerhand
TXC2: Both.Gif
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TXC2: thanks for turning the game down Cameron, you mind reader you.
TehAmelie: +3 range? that's like a 50% bonus huh
EkstraLangeDruer: I think base range is 10. Bonus range is really good with how damage falloff works
MilkInBags: I hope this session will be less frustrating than the previous one!
dumbo3k: Having a higher chance to resist afflictions is always a good thing
Rourke9: fingers crossed ^_^
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accountmadeforants: We're here to kill Chaos
MilkInBags: Maybe they'll nuke it like Warhammer Fantasy to make a lesser product too!
Rourke9: that would be cool
niccus: they'll call it Warhammer 40K instead of 40,000
Manae: Do you nuke it, or take the Battletech route and try to fill in all the rough bits to make it work?
MilkInBags: I'll never understand companies that have a good product in their hands and just...dismantle it. White Wolf made the same by killing off Masquerade and all their Old World of Darkness and...yeah
EkstraLangeDruer: Taking cover behind an explosive crate? how about that.
TXC2: maybe they'll go back to calling it rogue trader? Kappa
SpacePotato01: I suggest it now be called warhammer four zero zero zero zero
accountmadeforants: Might make sense to nuke it back to the time when it didn't try to both take itself very seriously, while also still being satire/comedy.
MilkInBags: Gothic Armada....on the ground Kappa
TehAmelie: cathedral land battleships would be fun
accountmadeforants: I did find out recently that Rogue Trader had an Inquisitor called Obiwan Sherlock Cluseau (though I suspect I'm the very last person to catch on to that bit of official canon)
TXC2: accountmadeforants yeap, back in the good old days
DarkAbyssKeeper: The scream lasted longer than the crunching noise implied it should.
MilkInBags: After the great success of the EDH 40k decks, GW is discontinuing all their miniatures and will only publish through Hasbro as Magic cards OpieOP
BrindleBoar: Pokehammer
Rourke9: Have you had a chance to check out the new Destiny season much Cameron? I've been having a blast
MAPBoardgames: My favorite pic from 3rd ed was "Kordack 'helps' his teammate climb a cliff" and the picture is his teammate stepping on his face.
TXC2: gotta purge 'em all
MilkInBags: wait, those are troglodytes
MAPBoardgames: "mrrrfff! get off me face!"
TheAwkes: Just a couple of lumpy fellas with knives.
Manae: Fixed that bleeding!
MilkInBags: Man, I hate it when I'm standing around waiting for my turn and get decapitated by a gun :(
TXC2: spreading XP around? but that socialism! Kappa
DarkAbyssKeeper: "Stopped" "Finished" "Completed" These are all words we could use.
TehAmelie: i wonder if putting all their blood outside of their body really counts
EkstraLangeDruer: Absolutely.
Mangledpixel: the animation style in this game is wonderfully early-2000s
MAPBoardgames: Inquisitor Karen
BrindleBoar: efficient exsanguination
MilkInBags: What if the ending is just you realizing all your squad were genestealers all along, cosplaying Grey Knights?
johkmil: Imperial technology is so chunky and dramatic.
EkstraLangeDruer: that would be hilarious
DarkAbyssKeeper: Build more Servitors.
MAPBoardgames: I'd love to play a 40k pc game where you DON'T play as space marines.
DarkAbyssKeeper: You require more Warp Gas.
DarkAbyssKeeper: You must Construct additional War Chapels.
Telanyxis: @MAPBoardgames Does Dawn of War count?
johkmil: Hopefully, there will be no Space Marines in Darktide.
TXC2: is Fire Warrior on PC?
Manae: @MAPBoardgames I believe that would be Protoss or Zerg in SC :P
CAKHost: Hi everyone! Hi Camewon!
TXC2: hello CAKHost welcome
MAPBoardgames: @Telanyxis Kinda, DoW2's campaign was fun, but I'd love to play as Eldar or Orks.
Rourke9: that does sound cool
MilkInBags: "Sir, we need to send a squad of 4 people to deal with this warp invasion!" Nah let's just nuke the planet l ol
joejoedusk: Hey Hey everyone. first tike here thats not a magic stream. How are we all doing?
TXC2: or a Tau Stealth team
TXC2: hello joejoedusk welcome
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MAPBoardgames: Just magical, @joejoedusk
joejoedusk: @mapboardgames glad to hear it
Izandai: For a brief moment that guy's pose made me think "Is that Face McShooty?"
sharpkris: @LoadingReadyRun how far in are you?
Izandai: The pose and the gas mask, rather.
MilkInBags: I don't even know why the Imperial Guard even bothers equipping their troops with armour, considering every single xenos in the galaxy just shreds it
Izandai: Oh that's a lot of fire.
TXC2: sharpkris this is mission 2
DarkAbyssKeeper: I'd question the physics of that... but 40K
TXC2: MilkInBags it's a placebo for the troops
Izandai: Ooohh nice
Izandai: Oh they're fireproof. Dinger.
MAPBoardgames: Good throw, though.
BrindleBoar: you can lead a cultist to fire but you can't make them drink
somecall_metim: @MilkInBags guess you can hang equipment off of it. Plus it might help with shrapnel
Mangledpixel: splat
Izandai: Well this game is cool.
Mangledpixel: one dude is more than zero dude
TheAwkes: The Holy Architecture of the Imperium; just another weapon in your arsenal.
vargasbball3: how is this game so far I've always been interested in playing warhammer 40k just never seen it in video game form
MAPBoardgames: And so he gazed upon all he had wrought. And he wept. Not for those he had slain. But that there was nothing left to kill.
TXC2: vargasbball3 at times it seems all right, but then it pulls some BS
DarkAbyssKeeper: "Pain is beneath me. And beside me. And abov- it's all around... aaaargh!"
Izandai: SURPRISE!
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MAPBoardgames: BOP bonk!
Izandai: demipyroBonk
Izandai: Hmm, I don't have a good sword emote.
Nemmerick: I wonder what the VA's for the Knights sound like without all the post processing
TehAmelie: "the emperor's vengeance"? thinks highly of himself, does he
DarkAbyssKeeper: SirSword
Mangledpixel: TehAmelie the emperor has many vengeances
vargasbball3: thanks @txc2 I think 🤔 I will keep painting my necron
TXC2: tricksy little cultists
MilkInBags: "Hello, I am here for your car warranty" *bonk*
MAPBoardgames: I like how that was obscured by the pillar. The marine runs around the corner. You hear a bonk see a blood sploch.
MilkInBags: you still don't get XP for healing?
MilkInBags: that's not great design
Nemmerick: I see that the falling pillars left a whole in the wall
Izandai: How restricted is your healing?
TXC2: maybe it's to prevent farming XP?
Izandai: ^ That's where I was going.
MilkInBags: I mean, can you deal damage to yourself?
TehAmelie: almost all xp comes from kill shots, and one class doesn't usually kill? yeah that seems wrong
Walla_tv: wp
dumbo3k: Willpower, There is also a servoskull that heals, and that is limited by the ammo of the servoskull
MilkInBags: I'd at least distribute a part of the xp to the whole team because, only getting xp to kills is a good way to have really bad healers by the end of the campaign
MAPBoardgames: Let's sing the Doom Song!
TXC2: flanking it is!
MAPBoardgames: doomdy doomdy doom. doom doom doom...
TehAmelie: Whompty Dompty Dom, no wait
TXC2: "gentlemen, we simply wait for the batman to die"
MAPBoardgames: But Cam, they're in fireball formation! If you wait, they'll spread out!
Izandai: The overwatch with a restricted area is interesting.
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princess_intell: hey there!
TXC2: hello princess_intell welcome
princess_intell: just had my first grown up job interview
niccus: congratulences
TehAmelie: ooh
Walla_tv: jesus
princess_intell: wish me the kind of luck only Twitch chat can deliver
Rourke9: congrats @princess_intell !
MilkInBags: were you hired as a grown up?
TXC2: good luck princess_intell
princess_intell: they gave me homework, is that a good sign?
Izandai: Maybe!
princess_intell: yayyyya
TehAmelie: could be a way to test if you're willing to work off the clock, but
MAPBoardgames: @princess_intell Since they did, it means they want to hear from you again. So yes. Good sign.
MilkInBags: how do shields work in this game, is it damage reduction?
princess_intell: it didn't seem that way? it's a mockup type thing, and the job is somewhat outside my field
princess_intell: I can understand wanting to make sure the person you're about to hire knows what they're doing before signing a contract
Telanyxis: It's basically bonus HP that refills every turn.
princess_intell: nice cat ears cam
MilkInBags: huh oh
Walla_tv: reasons
princess_intell: because they hate you and want to see you die?
dumbo3k: I believe they get raised as lesser poxwalkers, so something is lost in the transition
TXC2: are they weaker pox walkers?
DarkAbyssKeeper: Minimum Viable Poxwalker
princess_intell: kill the heretics
TehAmelie: zombie hordes gotta horde
lannersong: giving another crack at chaos gate
princess_intell: yay!!
Rourke9: clean mission!!
lannersong: gj
niccus: it has left cover in multiple directions
MAPBoardgames: wak-a-cultist
DarkAbyssKeeper: Not just cover, but the field of battle!
lannersong: new campaign on ruthless?
TXC2: lannersong yeap
MAPBoardgames: You can always tell Imperial ship design by the stonework.
Cptasparagus: is this like deeprock where if one of your guys goes down, they show up on the teleporter unconscious?
TehAmelie: for want of one experience
Izandai: d'oh
lannersong: My favorite star trek character. 49 of 50
TXC2: oh no, the off by one is spreading!
princess_intell: 169 concurrents, nice
princess_intell: boo never mind
TehAmelie: you should be able to get one xp just by like, watching an instruction video
MilkInBags: I heard 'ass is my right'
TheyThemPronouns: poxwalker? more like pogs walker (sorry)
princess_intell: @milkinbags as long as its consentual
TehAmelie: you're not wrong, Walter
satyropodobny: My lord, we found inquisitors nesting in the rafters
Izandai: Poxwalkers are back! now in Pog form!
MilkInBags: Research is heresy, it's a source of corruption!
Mangledpixel: "What happened to the Inquisator?" "Oh, she just stepped outside for a moment" "...we're on a spaceship"
malsareus: standing on the hull with a sigarette
princess_intell: what's the punishment for murdering an inquisitor?
Izandai: Please, this is the far future. It's a vape pen.
MAPBoardgames: Do the Space Marines "recruit"? I thought they came from cans.
MAPBoardgames: Need a new one, you open a can and pour it out like dog food.
MilkInBags: I guess the non extremists space marines?
satyropodobny: @MAPBoardgames they recruit small boys to put into cans
malsareus: The Grey Knights receive psionically active recruits from a bunch op regular chapters
princess_intell: off topic,
TXC2: MAPBoardgames Space Marines take 12 year old boy, stuff them full of organs, and then give them trainging from hell
TXC2: !break
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princess_intell: but I may or may not have started designing a custom mtg set based around a book series I like a whole lot
MAPBoardgames: "See how healthy I am! Look at all my organs!"
TehAmelie: i imagined the empire has a permanent draft on where everybody gets recruited unless they have a real good excuse
Zandivya: @malsareus Do they the Grey Knights are a secret organization. They tried to kill the Space Wolves just to keep it that way
princess_intell: @tehamelie does death count as a good excuse?
DarkMorford: Hey folks
MAPBoardgames: @TehAmelie 'Death' is not a qualifying excuse.
princess_intell: so what becomes of the corpse
TehAmelie: it only gets you dishonorably discharged
malsareus: @Zandivya they considered killing the wolves because the wolves are rather "eccentric"
princess_intell: good lord I love these facists. it's just... so much, and I respect that
malsareus: the secrecy around the Grey Knights is aimed at insuring regular citizens don't learn about chaos, space marines just know about chaos
princess_intell: I don't like them because they're good guys, I like them because they're evil and dramatic about it
malsareus: I"m here for the John Blanche aesthetic
princess_intell: "our emperor is shroedingers cat, so we're going to make a religion out of it and make pipe organs into tanks"
malsareus: I just love the marble faced 10 Km long batleships shaped like gothic cathedrals
TehAmelie: "a lot" is the whole philosophy of 40K and i love it
MAPBoardgames: I didn't think there were any 'good guys' in the 40k universe @princess_intell
princess_intell: fair
malsareus: the League of Votann is shaping up to be good adjacent so far
TXC2: nobody is the good guys in WH40K
TehAmelie: traditionally the least bad guys are the orks, who only make war for fun
princess_intell: I love me some orks
GhostofJeffGoldblum: hello everyone! are things going better today than the end of last stream, I hope?
princess_intell: we killed a guy and won a mission
TXC2: hello GhostofJeffGoldblum welcome
princess_intell: that's all I saw
malsareus: FYI: the League of Votann is the new squads, basically cloded space dwarfs who are genrally cool with lots of species (including giving Tau a bunch of tech)
malsareus: at least, all the new lore released so far points to this being what they're like
TehAmelie: we have learned to avoid the Little Shop of Horrors plants, i think that's going to help
princess_intell: bop sh-bop
GhostofJeffGoldblum: This game definitely seems to have an old school sensibility with regards to teaching via killing you.
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compuNIC: War for the War god! Ham for the Ham Hammer!... am I doing this right?
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princess_intell: call a cop
princess_intell: etc
TXC2: and we're back
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GhostofJeffGoldblum: hello Catmeron
princess_intell: it's always lucky on play it forward
GhostofJeffGoldblum: I'm sure no one else has made this portmanteau
TXC2: mustn't forgot your ears
malsareus: wait! those aren't your real ears!? everything is a lie
MAPBoardgames: Catmander?
Luminaire_p: So, like, nya or whatever
BrindleBoar: Cam-nyan activated
TheMerricat: chat, just woke up.... are my eyes deceiving me? more Warhammer?
MilkInBags: hahaha
Izandai: Amazing
GhostofJeffGoldblum: incredible.
GhostofJeffGoldblum: what a weird timeline we inhabit.
MilkInBags: I mean they did have to conscript anyone willing to fight!
Mangledpixel: this reality is a strange one
Brozard: НЯ! НЯ! НЯ!
princess_intell: are the cat ears on the headphones?
TXC2: hello TheMerricat indeed for war hams
CAKHost: Sometimes we have to cat?
TehAmelie: morale is high, certainly
MilkInBags: streamers display unattainable beauty standards like cat ears and they should be stopped
richard_ermen: Fascinating. Whenever I encounter Warhammer, its in the face of how my opinions of it changed over the years and how differentI treated the material as a young one and now as someone going onto 40.
gualdhar: was that the twins from RDR2?
MilkInBags: I mean, I do that too irl OpieOP
malsareus: I'm sure some ladies would be into that
princess_intell: why do cat ears have this effect on me
nupaladinace: Everyone has a little furry inside of them
richard_ermen: Having just joined in the stream, how much of the game is unironic warhams and how much is examining the role of grey knights and the undertones of the imperial rule?
princess_intell: nooooooooooo
Lucenix: It's Ben's birthday right?
PixelArtDragon: @nupaladinace Sometimes it's another furry
Walla_tv: maximum overwatch time
nupaladinace: Only one? Gotta pump those numbers up
princess_intell: oh I should jump over and wish Ben happy birthday
MilkInBags: owo?
princess_intell: hold on brb
TXC2: inside you there are 2 furies...
GhostofJeffGoldblum: UwU?
MilkInBags: I think you just wrote minimum in cursive
Lucenix: tendrils from the abyss?
GhostofJeffGoldblum: @TXC2 what happened to the third one?
nupaladinace: I think that's Wutang clan
gualdhar: @TXC2 they're definitely making out
malsareus: the least impressed space marine
TXC2: GhostofJeffGoldblum they're washing up after Kappa
GhostofJeffGoldblum: now that's a killbox
MilkInBags: oh, there were
compuNIC: no corpses in the area... YET
nupaladinace: I love having the overlapping overwatch and just melting a helbrute as it comes through
MilkInBags: good thing you didn't go in
malsareus: Imagine being a deamon prince erupting from the warp and the first thing you hear is someone going "u-huh"
Walla_tv: the aoe shot does a lot of work here right?
silenceaux: And now, here's some corpses I prepared earlier
gualdhar: who needs explosives when you have a statue?
princess_intell: hey I'm back
malsareus: hammer go bonk
princess_intell: picking up a gren-nade, explode it on their heads
GhostofJeffGoldblum: Little Bunny Fufu has been deemed excommunicatus and is to be exterminated on sight, brothers.
gualdhar: the leash is the new choker
PixelArtDragon: Don't kink shame
somecall_metim: It's the emperor's pets chapter
nupaladinace: Even transhuman warriors are allowed to be subs
TXC2: maybe they're the metaphorical leashes of society
nupaladinace: I believe all marines technically sub for the Emperor
Telanyxis: Look, the Grey Knights just really want to get captured by Slaanesh.
TXC2: we do?
somecall_metim: The emperor of course
malsareus: oh he popped like a pustule
princess_intell: glory to the emprah
malsareus: how very nurgle of him
princess_intell: maybe I should create a 40k-inspired makeup look...
dumbo3k: I don't think the basic Narthecium can do it, but the medical servoskull you have in your armoury can
princess_intell: nothing but gold, red, and smokey
BrindleBoar: that chaos star blast mask was kinda sweet
nupaladinace: I can't remember where I read it, but I love the idea that space marines can climb just about anything by punching hand and footholds directly into the surface
princess_intell: so the breath of the wild approach
TehAmelie: those power armors really do something
TXC2: princess_intell WH40K makeup is just all the eye shadow and then a 2-headed Eagle on the check :p
TXC2: *cheek
nupaladinace: Gotta get the eagle on the forehead to really show piety
malsareus: all the cheeks too
princess_intell: but the eagle will be mistaken for Something Else that I'd rather it not be
princess_intell: I'm thinking more sisters of battle inspired
nupaladinace: Sisters love getting branded with the fleur de leis
dumbo3k: You Dis-ARMed him!
MilkInBags: fleur-de-lys
TehAmelie: lay down your arms and you won't get hurt (lie)
TXC2: princess_intell if you go Sisters, there's a goodly amount of Cosplay you can look up for ideas
princess_intell: oooo you're right
beowuuf: lay down your arms and parts of you won't be hurt (due to rapid disintergration)
malsareus: they're so happy
princess_intell: I love the 40k aesthetic so much in ways I would never expect to
nupaladinace: Fascists usually have good aesthetics
dumbo3k: Well, the one that was way up north is probaly 2 turns away, so not a problem
princess_intell: ive started designing an MTG set based on a book series as a hobby
OrkaOrkinus: How swiftly is
OrkaOrkinus: Cameron tilting?
MilkInBags: no line of sight?
Lord_Hosk: Are they ever going to run out of bullets in their clipazine? you would think their would be a finite amount of material in the universe
MilkInBags: that was good
nupaladinace: Never getting tired of that
Lord_Hosk: Oh....they ran out
TXC2: well they're warp powered, which has no mass to conserve
MilkInBags: well they're not just down, they're cut in half
OrkaOrkinus: overwatch breaks full cover
nupaladinace: He still counts as in cover, its just showing his overwatch
Koshindan: "Oh! In Cover. I thought you said you got me covered."
nupaladinace: *half-cover
Walla_tv: feels like it depends on the angle
Walla_tv: but yes that was very frustrating when i was playing
MilkInBags: perfect information is cheating seabatUseless
princess_intell: did we win yet
MilkInBags: I'm not serious, I'm laughing at their design
TXC2: not yet
princess_intell: are we about to win
nupaladinace: Yes
dumbo3k: @princess_intell unless everyone dies in one turn, yes
Koshindan: Is Cam still playing on Ruthless?
princess_intell: yay
iridium_alchemist: It does show you when OW will pull you out of cover, it's just that like most of this game the UI and how it tells you is real bad.
princess_intell: who are we fighting again
MilkInBags: nurgle junkies
princess_intell: I'm shit at keeping track of games I'm not playing
nupaladinace: chaos cultists and nurgle daemons
princess_intell: especially when chat is here to distract me
princess_intell: thank you
v_nome: Good morning chat, Catmeron
nupaladinace: Go to horny jail *Bonk*
princess_intell: no offense to any streamer-- about half the time, your content is the background and context to whatever I'm reading and saying in chat
TXC2: hello v_nome welcome
v_nome: @TXC2 o/
TehAmelie: was that background a neutron star or something?
TehAmelie: it looked neat
nupaladinace: An upgrade with the mark of khorne lol
CmdrMadMoe: E X T R A T H I C C
TXC2: Beefffy
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Koshindan: Vakir is the one mad about a day off, but she's the one doing less work for a month.
nupaladinace: Vakir wants to stop Space Marines from praying? Some inquisitor she is
nupaladinace: The Black Templars would be murderously angry at that
nupaladinace: Do Grey Knights have chaplains/a chaplain equivalent?
dumbo3k: No, it's saying you won't inflict crits, if you accept it
TXC2: we've been getting Crits? Kappa
nupaladinace: I think it prevents you from inflicting
accountmadeforants: Does it just disable crits for the mission, then?
GhostofJeffGoldblum: @nupaladinace yep
princess_intell: my advice: pew pew pew until they fall over
nupaladinace: Are they just regular chaplains?
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GhostofJeffGoldblum: the Grey Knights are basically a normal Space Marine chapter in all respects except that they're all psykers, are even more souped up than normal marines, and report directly to the Ordo Malleus.
TXC2: nupaladinace regular for grey knights yeah
nupaladinace: Gotcha. Are they called chaplains or do they have a fancy name? Like they renamed tactical squads
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Lord_Hosk: Excuse me Cameron, I hate to interrupt but I needed to point something out. You are a well above average entertainer and a superb strategist.
princess_intell: oh cool kirby
princess_intell: holy eff, is it already ppr
MilkInBags: it's always ppr time
princess_intell: I've been waiting for this set for so long
TXC2: MilkInBags you shut up :p
princess_intell: ppr is only every 3 months
MilkInBags: bruxism sucks :( I had that when I was at university
princess_intell: maybe it's just cuz i used to watch anime, which is 40+ new series every three months
Invitare: wait I thought they used drop pods in the 40k universe? Do they actually have teleporters?
SK__Ren: Terminators do
TXC2: Invitare yes, but they use the warp, so it's dangerous
MilkInBags: a lot of chapters don't have access to it
compuNIC: @Invitare I asked about this too, seems the Grey Knights all use teleporters
princess_intell: welp time to pew-pew
Mangledpixel: they're special, they get to play with the cool toys
MilkInBags: like during a tyranid invasion, it's probably safer to use a drop pod
malsareus: These days the custodes probably have better teleporters lorewise
TXC2: and then there's the Custodes, who have the MOST special stuff
GhostofJeffGoldblum: The Imperial Fists are very jealous.
GhostofJeffGoldblum: Of their nice teleporters.
v_nome: Are they like the favourites or something? Why do they have better access?
MilkInBags: custodes, aka the foil space marines
Invitare: when are teleporters in Sci-Fi NOT safe? Like Star Trek transporters would absolutely not be cleared for human transport
malsareus: but yeah the GK have a lot of cool kit, inlcusing having enough terminator armor for the entire chapter
GhostofJeffGoldblum: @v_nome They're an arm of the Inquisition, who are *very* politically powerful
princess_intell: aren't grey knights basically imperium CIA
GhostofJeffGoldblum: And also their job is really important and very hard
malsareus: not to mention nemesis dreadknight rigs
Mangledpixel: oh yeahhh!
TXC2: Invitare I suspect Star trek Transporters are like air planes now, we only hear about the crashes, not the THOUSANDS of successes a day that happen
malsareus: the relation between the GK and the ordo malleus is a standout case of "it's complicated"
Just_Herby: Do we know what the Grey Knights think of the Primaris?
Telanyxis: It's just occured to me that the Grey Knights were almost certainly the inspiration for the Brotherhood of Steel - 'We have all the best tech, tech belongs to us & we kill anyone that sees us'.
MilkInBags: yeah we freak out about how dangerous traveling the warp is but, it's basically driving a car IRL
TXC2: princess_intell no, they more like Navy SEALs, if SEAL teams killed daemons and not ships in harbour :p
Just_Herby: Except if you get into a crash there's a chance your soul is tortured for eternity
TehAmelie: in this metaphor, is chaos demons pollution?
malsareus: @MilkInBags well except that if your car breaks down you probably won;t just melt into goo or fragment into a carniveorus rainbow
GhostofJeffGoldblum: @Telanyxis I think the BoS predates the Grey Knights, actually?
PixelArtDragon: Where do Chaos Marines keep getting more armor that looks like Space Marine armor?
malsareus: not to mention that ever wonderfull disease the Gellerpox, should the Gellerfield have a hiccup
GhostofJeffGoldblum: oh, maybe not
GhostofJeffGoldblum: I'm thinking of the 1st malleus TT game playbook I think
compuNIC: @PixelArtDragon Brought it with them. BYOPA
MilkInBags: @PixelArtDragon they just get new recruits
malsareus: @PixelArtDragon part loot, but they also control territories with industry
TXC2: PixelArtDragon some of it is the same armour they had 10,000 years, the rest is taken from dead marines
Keaton__Mask: @PixelArtDragon walmart
MilkInBags: also some of them could be from the future
malsareus: since the Cicatrix malledictum, chaos marine territory is growing
malsareus: @MilkInBags warp travel is fun that way
GhostofJeffGoldblum: "fun"
malsareus: ships can arrive before they depart
MilkInBags: no one has any respect for doors in this world
satyropodobny: That's Xcom baby!
MilkInBags: blap
MilkInBags: LUL
Thisbymaster: reset?
TXC2: the warp charge mechanic is really unnecessary IMO
MilkInBags: I feel like it's a line of sight issue?
dumbo3k: It's behind full cover from him?
Schreischorsch: No Line of sight due to the boxes
MilkInBags: the boxes?
CmdrMadMoe: its behind other boxes
MilkInBags: no idea
Walla_tv: grenade might get it
dumbo3k: There is a two high stack of boxes between the interceptor and the explosive box
ValtheDrake: The Codex Astartes does not suppor this action
ValtheDrake: *support
Utilitarian_STFD: Heck that one plague marine is having a bad day for explosions
MilkInBags: good grenade
Mangledpixel: this game likes its dramatic grenade shots
GhostofJeffGoldblum: in the grim darkness of the far future, boxes are the true enemy
Utilitarian_STFD: "To RIBBONS!"
TXC2: to shreds you say
MilkInBags: grenade like bullets can destroy a statue in a single blast, but can't get through crates
TXC2: that plus 1 toughness from Nurgle puts in a lot of work I guess :p
Walla_tv: thats a lot of dudes
GhostofJeffGoldblum: mama mia that's a tanky flower
Walla_tv: victory can be declared
plummeting_sloth: tankier than the ivy I tried to tackle yesterday, and that was tanky as hell
Walla_tv: a lore complaint i had was poxwalkers feel way to fast here
GhostofJeffGoldblum: oh boy
TXC2: oh we're fucked
Telanyxis: Turns out what Space Marines give up to get all the other things is their brain. Kappa
TXC2: what's going on?
TXC2: !advice
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Mangledpixel: that is a good wisdom
CAKHost: !goodadvice ?
Vanbael: !badadvice
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TXC2: !goodadvice
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Telanyxis: @CAKHost Send orbital bombardment.
CAKHost: Wish I could! :c
Koshindan: The enemies have way too much HP.
TheAwkes: I was led to believe that force weapons were just a little bit more powerful than this.
kakmize: sounds about right
TXC2: ah yes, game "balance"
Shiny_Platypus: lrrSACK
CAKHost: I miss sending people into space.
ksenyo: for a game that throws tens of mobs at you there seem to be a big lack of aoe abilites
iridium_alchemist: The Bloomspawn wakened your melee with its attack. It would be great if the game told you this in a better way than it does yes.
MilkInBags: NotLikeThis
CAKHost: D:
Invitare: Necromancy? That's cheating!
bigcore917: So we heard you like action economy
TXC2: ksenyo or that the mobs themselves are A LOT tankier then they should be
MilkInBags: we will never financially recover
bigcore917: 2 wounds...
TheAwkes: Cannon fodder having greater than hero level toughness at this point in a game seems not great.
Crazyginder22: so after watching playthroughs of people I respect on lower difficulties I have determined the game makes up for it's lack of % based shooting misses with plenty of other horseshit
TXC2: I wonder if this game was based on normal difficulty, and then just never playtested at higher difficulty ? :p
MilkInBags: they probably want you to rush the plant or something but
Brozard: which is why I quit playing The Division
MilkInBags: yup
Koshindan: I feel like they should have made melee classes autoattack enemies walking into range.
iridium_alchemist: I'm sorry you've been running against some weird/bad design choices in this game Cameron.
iridium_alchemist: I like this game, but I agree that the way it tells you information is kinda BS
TXC2: like the poxwalkers are WAY too tough for what they are, ESPECIALLY given they can be resurrected
I_Drink_To_Forget_Thermo: sup cam! still being "disappointed but not mad" in WH40KCGDM?
Crazyginder22: harder difficulty just appears to be tanky. and earlier levels are just so much worse it seems like because of it
MilkInBags: you gave it a fair shot
Rourke9: Super reasonable. You’ve given it more than enough
accountmadeforants: You've given it over ten hours worth of "a shot", I'd say that's more than fair.
MilkInBags: time to play a balanced game, league of legends OpieOP
Invitare: is that related to difficulty setting do you think? Don't you play on the highest?
Crazyginder22: fair enough
Invitare: did they do the whole thing where hard = tanky
TXC2: a good 11-12 hours is a fair shake
MilkInBags: there's even worse!?
TXC2: MilkInBags yeap
Crazyginder22: I have seen people struggle on merciful
ksenyo: someone forgot a clause of exile after they die when it came to pox walkers
Crazyginder22: glad to get to see the 40K world though
MilkInBags: yeah it's more like a grocery store list, marking whatever is done, step by step
fhorrigan: Well, I've had this one on my wishlist since release, but it really seems kind of miserable.
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Telanyxis: XCOM 2's Lost were a pretty good way of handling large numbers of weak enemies.
accountmadeforants: This is a game where I'd love to see the devs play it and explain what they were thinking.
I_Drink_To_Forget_Thermo: yeah the Lost in xcom 2 we're great. just one shotting zombies felt good
pendingupdate: ive been watching you guys for a while! Y'all have definitely earned it
tru_boredom: the thing is you can have resurrecting swarm units and you can have extremely tanky units but they shouldn't be the same
fhorrigan: I mean, these guys go one on one with Daemon Princes
TheAwkes: Fingers crossed for a rebalance update. Maybe a cap on enemy unit health or something.
TXC2: like poxwalkers should be a DISTRACTION that dies fast, but makes you not attack the plage marine
accountmadeforants: Yeah, poxwalkers should be there to make you waste a grenade and feel bad about it, not to obliterate a squad of Grey Knights.
GhostofJeffGoldblum: it feels close to being *there*, too, if they just reallocate health/damage vs number of enemies
fhorrigan: Paste
iridium_alchemist: That's actually a good point. It's like they looked at other games and thought, "these games have tough starts, so ours should too." Without thinking of the lore/story too much.
TotallyNotaBeholder: Would it work if each singular cultists was actually a small horde of them?
accountmadeforants: There's also just... other units which would pose a real threat. Like, at least give them an appearance that matches their toughness and damage output.
TheAwkes: After reading Blood of Asaheim, where a squad crashes themselves straight into a plague ship, this doesn't feel like the same level of competence they displayed there.
TheMerricat: So the real irony here, I jump into the Steam discussions for this game and ALL of the complaints on the first few pages are folk complaining about the game always crashing and having loading screens that never end, and yet when Cam got into it, we never saw that and instead it was just a horribly balanced game.
TXC2: hell Yeah Astartes
GhostofJeffGoldblum: Astartes is very good
TXC2: fantastic show
fhorrigan: The plasma pistol finally looking like the deadly weapon it's always written as
CmdrMadMoe: the mounted autogun in the gallery
TXC2: yes, the marine employ tactics when dealing with the psykers
Plasterboard: hmmm, I have a new thing to watch on YT
accountmadeforants: By the way, the original Astartes videos on YT got nuked because of GW's content policies from a year ago. (Though I think it went "official" in some way?)
CmdrMadMoe: ESPECIALLY if its a chump unit
MilkInBags: oof The Division
GhostofJeffGoldblum: I think Dawn of War II did a really great job with its campaign making marines feel both powerful and in control but still danger because there are about 10 of them, and hundreds and hundreds of enemies.
MilkInBags: it was very fun until endgame, where you had to unleash everything to kill one guy
TheMerricat: So I joined late because I assumed the calendar reminder I got for the PIF was leftover from before the first cancel of this. So I don't know what difficulty Cam started this game at, but have we considered trying normal difficulty to see if the issue is just that they really really don't know how to make 'hard' difficulties?
BipolarExpres5: Hi Cam, Hi Chat!!!
Rourke9: so much yikes
Telanyxis: But Cam, it's not political. Kappa
CmdrMadMoe: game needs a serious balance patch
TXC2: hello BipolarExpres5 welcome
fhorrigan: @accountmadeforants There's still unofficial uploads so you don't need to a Warhammer+ sub to watch the content GW scrubbed from Youtube.
compuNIC: Making the enemies in this tanky may make game design sense, and making them swarming makes lore sense, but together, it feel bad on both fronts
DeM0nFiRe: Reminds me of some Mechwarrior 2 missions that were designed for you to not actually be able to kill every enemy which I like
TXC2: yeah, I feel like this game puts flavour ahead of gameplay
GhostofJeffGoldblum: I think it's fine to say "this squad of marines is here to do a job and if they get bogged down they'll get overwhelmed," it's just...not realized well here.
Manae: That sort of gameplay is fine, so long as it's well-defined at the start that THAT is the mission
DeM0nFiRe: It's a good way to make missions feel unique and not just "kill a bunch of dudes but on different background art"
compuNIC: @TXC2 unfortunately, it Nurgle-flavoured
TXC2: compuNIC indeed
accountmadeforants: @TXC2 Except it kinda does neither, because the power levels are all wonky
fhorrigan: Mech2 Mercenaries. Man, I used to live at my friend's house (who had a real PC) just to watch him and his dad play that.
TXC2: accountmadeforants good point
MilkInBags: it's always weird when they try to portray very powerful things but you still have character progression for power, like how you have force weapons right now but, you still need 15 more levels to be 'powerful'
TheAwkes: It could be a scrap your way to the objective and extract mission, but it doesn't seem to give you the tools to actually do that. You can't block passage or deny enemy action.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Yeah, I do like the framework of you starting at the end of a campaign that has seriously depleted your resources
ggodopaste: The Action Economy in this game is borked
MilkInBags: or they could make that at the start, missions have different objectives but you have time constraints, so you're not in danger but choices will affect the rest of the campaign
compuNIC: Move, shoot, defend
iridium_alchemist: Yeah, I will say that really deamons are not much more than a upgraded pox-walker in this game sadly. It just has more hp and hits harder. That's it.
Laserbeaks_Fury: That's always been an issue with the XCOM likes
TXC2: harder difficulty should mean you have to think more
ggodopaste: The idea that the cannon fodder unit takes two super moves and a normal stab to kill is not a good design for the amount of AP you have.
Rourke9: That, and I think there is a lot of UI/UX work to be done to better communicate what is going to happen
fhorrigan: Sloppy is their name of the game
Koshindan: Nurgle's followers are always sloppy. But they can be professional too.
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: something funny about AI and preservation instincts: in Space Hulk Tactics, you can stack up dozens of genestealers just by sticking two dudes on overwatch, and the AI just refuses to make the dice rolls. It's a weird balance to meet.
GhostofJeffGoldblum: Maybe just a difficulty setting thing?
ggodopaste: did they play on a lower difficulty?
MilkInBags: did they play at normal
accountmadeforants: Ben streamed it, I can check what difficulty he played at
GhostofJeffGoldblum: mattlrDisapprove
tru_boredom: that's just a goddamn lie
ggodopaste: if difficulty is just throttling numbers, the devs may not have done math
TXC2: I don't think you are making mistakes, I think the game is
Brozard: Math is for heretics?
ggodopaste: it feels like the devs didn't do math
MilkInBags: installing the game might have been the mistake Kappa
Rourke9: You’ve played a ton of this genre, I really don’t think it’s a you making any big mistakes thing
lannersong: @ggodopaste this is how i feel too yeah
MilkInBags: I mean it's quite frequent that difficulty is balanced at normal, and then they just give 50% more hp and damage to everything and don't play it
ggodopaste: should you ditch melee entirely?
Koshindan: You have to have some melee for the seed extraction too.
accountmadeforants: Checked the VOD: Ben played it at Standard difficulty, without the Grand Master (Ironman) thing.
TXC2: "guns for show, knives for a pro"
Rourke9: It’s really easy to make the mistake of overturning difficulty as a designer because you know your own game so well
DarkAbyssKeeper: Perhaps it's a case of them having tested it a lot, but not got new testers in for each iteration. So their increasing familiarity with how everything worked skewed results.
dumbo3k: Except Plague Marines just completely screw that mechanic up, since their melee hits all disrupt, preventing any attacks of opportunity from triggering
thymato: I haven't caught all of the streams but did you use the pike melee weapon?
Rourke9: *overtuning, not overturning
Laserbeaks_Fury: Do you have any other marines?
ggodopaste: it feels like the Pox Walker solution is just Constant Overwatch, but, like, that doesn't seem to be an option
Rourke9: Yea, exactly. And they may have thought things were communicated well enough because they knew what was trying to be communicated
Telanyxis: I can't comment on the devs for this, but Wargaming haven't played their own games for years. So there are definitely devs like that out there.
Laserbeaks_Fury: I guess you are just stuck waiting as stuff corrupts
dumbo3k: @ggodopaste it really isn't, not with the pitiful storm bolter overwatch ranges, or the fact poxwalkers are taking like 3 shots to kill
TehAmelie: shall we find out what the game over screen looks like? i mean, unless it'd just be miserable to get there
ggodopaste: @ggodopaste Right, exactly. All my tactics fail in the face of Pox walkers taking an entire round of attacks to kill
Laserbeaks_Fury: The Game Over is gpoing to be hours from now
iridium_alchemist: So I would like to point out that you were doing -2 melee damage to those pox-walkers.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Which is another design flaw of these campaign systems
ggodopaste: @iridium_alchemist Why? how?
GhostofJeffGoldblum: Grey Knight Terminators with *power swords*
GhostofJeffGoldblum: you know, that cut through marine armor.
dumbo3k: @iridium_alchemist any enemy probably inflicted Weakened on them
MilkInBags: they got overwhelmed like walmart security guards on black friday
TXC2: force swords even
dumbo3k: I'm not a huge fan of the Bloomspawn, because their ranges are so hard to judge
beowuuf: force weapons - ripping things apart at a molecular level.
TXC2: thanks for streaming Cameron
dumbo3k: Thanks for the stream Cameron
beowuuf: thanks for trying (twice) !
Brozard: Thanks for the stream
iridium_alchemist: yeah that. and while it would make sense that "weakened" makes you do less damage, it only does less melee. There is another state that makes you do less gun damage.
Rourke9: Yea, I would be curious to see what a successful run of that even looks like
DarkAbyssKeeper: Play it Into the Ground.
Rourke9: Thanks for the stream!
TXC2: it's warp infused yes
GhostofJeffGoldblum: all Chaos everything is heavily warp based yeah
GhostofJeffGoldblum: why is that a Psy hood I spy
iridium_alchemist: OH. Is that what it is? huh.
Koshindan: Is a fireball magic after it's cast? The fire is still real after the fact.
MilkInBags: maybe the hoods are naturopathy? OpieOP
MilkInBags: let's commune in our shared complaint equity
Krektogar: I would listen to you complaining all day Cameron
TheAwkes: It's an informative experience, and that ain't nothing.
PixelArtDragon: It's not NOT decorative
tru_boredom: I disagree, hearing people talk about things that they like and wish we're better is really interesting to me
TXC2: "why wont you let me love you!"
GhostofJeffGoldblum: "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed." - Cameron, game dad
MilkInBags: swarms are cool if you can tactically deal with them as a swarm, like overwatch gets rid of half of it
MilkInBags: but if each element survives 2 hits, then you're dead
Rourke9: Pathfinding is intensive
Rourke9: Especially with destructible terrain stuff
dumbo3k: I mean, the Space Hulk tactical game did okay because the tight hallways constricted enemy movements, and enemies died in one shot most of the time, so Overwatch could cut down their numbers as they swarmed towards you
MilkInBags: thanks Cam for your time
TXC2: !next
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