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ShaneLeeAtk: A wild Cameron has appeared
Mangledpixel: time for warm hams
AtomicAlchemical: Excited for this one
Walla_tv: it was solidly medium
Gekyouryuu: I get that the art on the recent fabricate promo was cool, but props to these guys for making a whole video game out of it. Kappa
TXC2: it replace some of the RNG with different RNG :p
Walla_tv: had/have you played mechanicus before?
Desruprot: Warhammer 40k established the "Grim Dark" standard
Volus_dude: orcs the only group who are happy at 40k
ShaneLeeAtk: It is a nigh-infinite Wikki-hole to fall down.
Desruprot: I think in one of the books it says something like the Grim Darkness of the Dark and Distant Future or something like that
TXC2: medieval Europe IN SPACE
OwlStar64: Glory to the Omnissiah
Mangledpixel: Warhammer 40,000 is the same age as me, huh
ShaneLeeAtk: Is that one of Beej's edibles??
TXC2: Mangledpixel it's from 1987-88 something like that
Mangledpixel: TXC2 yes, 87
accountmadeforants: They're a cargo cult to Mankind's past
Walla_tv: pray at it till it works
AtomicAlchemical: Invention is heretical
TXC2: Knowledge is power etc etc
Mangledpixel: same year as Star Trek TNG, too
ShaneLeeAtk: The Emperor who is alive and walking among us today. :D
Metric_Furlong: "we'll agree to not start another religious war over this"
accountmadeforants: A very Roman approach
AtomicAlchemical: Another civil war
TXC2: also the Mechanicus is technically it's own nation within the imperium
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Mangledpixel: I feel there's a fair amount of Dune's DNA in WH40K
Kaorti: And the worst kind of academic infighting!
Desruprot: While the Horus Heresy was happening the Adeptus Mech was also dealing with a Civil War
kruudelis: AdMech: In the 41st Millenia, there is only turning it off then on again
ShaneLeeAtk: The necrons were my jam in the early 2000s.
Desruprot: Necrons, Space Egyptians + Terminators
Volus_dude: necrons are introverts who wish to be left alone
LidofLoathing: they're vaguely Egyptian terminators, right?
Rourke9: We love space undead robot litches
kristian_fischer: Space Tomb Kings.
Metric_Furlong: Mangledpixel yeah, some. definitely in regards to the religiously forced technological stagnation.
Kaorti: How is the Newcron lore these days?
TXC2: A LOT of 40K armies had direct parales to fantasy armies
warpstonewarlock: @Kaorti Silent King is back
rocketjohn: amonhket's eternals reminded e of them a lot
Mangledpixel: #transfeels
Kaorti: @Kaorti is that a good thing?
GDwarble: Ah yes, extreme transhumanism in a setting where most transhumanist tech is...rather alarming
Metric_Furlong: @Mangledpixel I know, right?
accountmadeforants: This intro could work for Phyrexians as well, tbh
Desruprot: Phyrexians would love the Ad Mech
NarwhalsInATrenchcoat: what a powerful openning
TXC2: accountmadeforants yeah how about that :p
Walla_tv: it got memed a bit LUL
Rourke9: Cool immediate parallel with the nekrons
Kaorti: how do the magos biologis fit into that philosophy though?
TXC2: like that ProZD bit "hi how are you?" "THE FLESH IS WEAK!"
warpstonewarlock: @Kaorti Not for humans. But many Necrons are also not happy.
Spades_Slicc: Oooh heretek+ personally I don't think the subscription price is worth the extra blasphemies but to each their own
Kaorti: @Kaorti business as usual I guess then :P
Walla_tv: none of the people in charge are good guys at least
Master_Gunner: There are definitely good individuals, at the least.
Desruprot: definitely no good guys in 40k
LordDestont: necrons are the true good guys of the setting
KV1NN4: As a fantasy focused muslim teen, raised only partially in an Eastern culture, this was hard for me to get into. The catholic white boy i hooked up with tho... XD
Metric_Furlong: @Rourke9 yeah, weird that. luckily there's definitely no underlying reasons there beyond a weird coincidence, and saying otherwise would be heresy
Walla_tv: the only good guys are the tyranids. they are just bugs that want to live
Max_Mckayful: So, it's real life. Got it.
Desruprot: Necrons might be plausible or tyranids as both are base driven in a way
Volus_dude: plenty of over the top parody elements at 40k
Desruprot: @Volus_dude yep
AtomicAlchemical: Society is the problem
Metric_Furlong: it's not entirely dissimilar to Judge Dredd in some regards, with its tone
KV1NN4: 20 years later he's stgill into it, i 'get' it a bit more, and we're still (long distant) friends.. XD
Kaorti: 1984, but even more
KV1NN4: he was so happy to inherit some discontinued colours form me when i moved XD
TXC2: Metric_Furlong oh Judge Dredd is a HUGH influence on WH40K
kaffeetrinken89: lube of rational tragedy ...
Kaorti: booo
TXC2: *huge
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: hey alright sounds like this 40k stream is kicking off appropriately bleak
Rourke9: Reminds me of The Terror a bit; individual decency is ultimately not enough to avoid being ground under the heel of Empire
accountmadeforants: WH40K is also a setting where the unknown is rarely cause for hope or excitement.
Metric_Furlong: TXC2 too late, writing up a character called Hugh Influence (of the new hampshire Influences) Kappa
TXC2: Metric_Furlong :D
Desruprot: @accountmadeforants if its unknown its probably Heresy
Teddy_Beats: what is that dlc you selected?
They_Are_Alyx: Warhammer 40K is one of many properties that was originally an attempt to parody Thatcher-era politics that may not have necessarily succeeded at it
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: “Every individual person is making rational and locally correct decisions yet the aggregate is a screaming hell mess” is the true horror concept
Spades_Slicc: "The 41st millennium. a time of darkness and war" but is the darkness grim?
Gnuttor: I love the music in this game.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: don’t like to think about that
Kaorti: it suffers from using fascist aesthetics, which are memetically dangerous
accountmadeforants: Oh no, future Reddit is giving us orders?
Metric_Furlong: TXC2 but yeah, there's definitely some influence. beyond them just being the two main 'over-the-top British dark SF' things
Walla_tv: its a "lan"
rocketjohn: oh, reddit is invovled? that explains all the edge
TXC2: Metric_Furlong oh indeed
MWGNZ: wifi mesh network
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: 40k somehow found this weird balance between hyper realism with guns and equipment and stuff but absolutely insane aesthetic
kruudelis: AdMech Slack
StreetCornerPoet: Ah yes machine priests, baby necrons.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: oh so that’s why the tech priests are Like That
Volus_dude: where is tweetus?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: fascism is a—
Kaorti: it's a good summary
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Cameron literally said it while I was typinh
Rourke9: Interestingly the term noosphere was first used in the 1920s
juneblue58: Ur-Fascism is a very good read.
Kaorti: very ingroup-outgroup
juneblue58: And I dare say should be required reading in this decade.
jumbojumbov: only totalitarian politics will save the world when only one rules
kaffeetrinken89: well, many perspectives held by people in the 40k universe are less than correct, even locally. Dark Eldari, Orks, Chaos ... Some Genestealercults are äamong the more relatable factions, ffs.
Manae: I read an article a bit back that suggested also that fascism has had its evilness over-fetishized. Not in a "it's not evil" way, but in that we've done it to a point in that a lot of people think it can only be fascism if it's full-on jack-booted uniformed people in the streets
Kaorti: lots of "victory in inevitable, but requires incredible sacrifice from you, personally"
Gekyouryuu: I saw someone quote their professor once, who said "as a civilization, personality predates ideology. before you were a fascist, you were a bully and an asshole"
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Fascism is a brand. It is a way of feeling. It is an image. It is a brand whose core concept is strength. Don’t ask about fascist ideology; it’s like asking the ethos of Coca Cola. Any answer you get is at best secondary to what’s actually being sold.
Metric_Furlong: (up to and including there were about another 900 people with the spartans, but they were from the helot servant caste and so 'don't count')
Kaorti: @Gekyouryuu oooh, that's good
spurius: how many lights?
TXC2: spurius there are 4 lights!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I think this is part of how fascism shows up in so many different cultures and civilizations. It can adapt really easily to local concepts of strength and power without compromising the core product.
Volus_dude: 300 didn't show the spartans 2 king system
Rourke9: Internal consistency is not actually a requirement for a worldview or ideology
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GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Fascism is a product whose purpose is to make you feel strong. Unfortunately there will always be a human demand for that.
compuNIC: as They Might be Giants once said, "The Fascists have the outfits. (but I don't care for the outfits)"
kaffeetrinken89: raptile nazis sounds pretty cool, as trashy horror concept
Steelwolf171: And when in doubt, put a skull on it
Metric_Furlong: it's an aesthetic that projects power, and power has a lot of appeal
GhostValv: wow cool robot
Kaorti: and that's how the 40k fandom got a Fascist problem.
Volus_dude: inviduals wish to belong a tribe
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: humans will never not want to feel strong
TXC2: people want to feel powerful and that they are in control
TXC2: or at least that SOMEONE (or something) is in control
Steelwolf171: It always has been a parody
juneblue58: Doesnt' help that a lot of the game's foundational parody is rooted in the politics of 80s UK.
kaffeetrinken89: Suicodal drinking game: Tske a shot, whenever you see a new thing with a skull on it.
Rourke9: Some amount of cognitive dissonance is natural, but fascism leans really really hard into it
Gnuttor: They want to be on the winning side.
rocketjohn: parody is quite a hard form of comedy to pull off well.
Metric_Furlong: well... kind of
juneblue58: It was half-a-century ago, nearly.
Darleysam: be interesting to do a compare/contrast with Judge Dredd
Mangledpixel: not for us!
accountmadeforants: Also, they can't just have it all collapse in on itself, they gotta keep selling things.
Kaorti: too much glorification of brutal sacrifice, not enough focus on the stupid human cost
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I mean also part of the problem is that fascism being so essentially superficial means that a) fascists won’t get the parody and b) they will easily incorporate your concepts without a problem
SentientRatKing: Fascism is a very emotion driven ideology as well so it's often interacting with the part of you that pointedly is not equipped to analyze what it is experiencing. It's concerned with making you feel things not think about things.
TXC2: like we kinda don't like coal anymore here :p
Master_Gunner: well, the current Tories are working to bring it back
Walla_tv: they at least recently came out and said it loudly that its still supposed to be a parody
Nigouki: Thatcher herself was buried almost a decade ago
kaffeetrinken89: Also drinking helps to lessen cognitive dissonance.
kruudelis: Also, your audience has to be receptive to it being parody and not just an inviting sales pitch
Metric_Furlong: in some ways it is, but there is also the argument that, politically, the UK is still kind of living in Thatcher's England
OwlStar64: Parody but we also want to sell game pieces to people who want to be one of those big heroes
jumbojumbov: when the power is not in one, then the responsibility does not exist, and when there is a dictator, everything depends on him and when things don't happen, his head just falls and the next one comes and knows that his head is on the line
Metric_Furlong: although that might be too involved a tangent for a twitch chat
TXC2: Metric_Furlong in the same way it's still Reagan's America
rocketjohn: yeah, we still live with thatcher's ghost
kruudelis: TIL Thrakka = Thatcher. I feel dumb it took me that long lol
Gekyouryuu: the problem is that for any parody, there will always be someone who takes you seriously, and also it's hard to make a parody example where the subject of parody is clear without just making an example of the thing.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: You can’t really make a parody of fascism that fascists will “get”. They won’t understand/admit to/allow themselves to be mocked. There’s this upsettingly dangerous sincerity somehow.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Fascism itself is already a kind of farce
jessieimproved: Fascism is not a well defined term
Kaorti: it actively resists definition
Luhhha: even if you do parody correctly people would still not get it, see starship troopers
bo_brinkman: I love "Cam Explains Fascism" time. Given the number of poli-sci majors on LRR, maybe we need a limited run "understanding fascism" podcast.
accountmadeforants: *for variable definitions of "us"
bo_brinkman: I feel like this 15 minutes is the most useful poli sci education I've had.
Metric_Furlong: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou they also, by and large, tend to view more analytical readings of fiction and art as being 'weak/degenerate' which doesn't help
LordZarano: @Luhhha "I'm doing my part"
Kaorti: it was very welcome
Master_Gunner: @bo_brinkman Put that after "Cam literally just reads the 'Death of the Author' paper" podcast.
TXC2: "being smart" and fascism don't mix :p
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I would say the one core concept of fascism is pure “might makes right.” The strong are good, the weak are bad, the only law is what you have the power to do.
Kaorti: glorifying an ideal human form is a common thread, and the AdMech are NOT a comon sort of ideal.
SentientRatKing: yeah mechanicus are way more spanish inquisition
Spades_Slicc: Do tech priests have kill team rules?
Metric_Furlong: Spades_Slicc I think they do, yes
Zandivya: I think W40k leans on the horror of the sacrifice that props up the imperium but I don't think the sheer scale of death and slavery is easily conveyed or comprehended by casual readers.
Gekyouryuu: if 40k were first made today, do you think the adeptus mechanicus would be tech bros like elongated muskrat and Zuckerberg?
CommunistBakery: Honestly I love this conversation, talking how philosophy/ political philosophy / and our modes of story telling intersect in a meaningful reflection on the things we enjoy is really cool!
Rourke9: Or like the Roland mythos
CommunistBakery: and you Cam and chat are haveing honestly a great dialouge
CommunistBakery: having*
Kaorti: @Gekyouryuu how would they fit the more modern clean matte aesthetic into the greater 40k aesthetic?
TXC2: space marines are greek heroes
Metric_Furlong: Zandivya yeah, it's kind of the issue where most of the horrors of the imperium are things that wouldn't necessarily happen in one of the tabletop battles that the game is mostly about
warpstonewarlock: @Spades_Slicc They do. Old, retired rules in KT Compendium and new, only available in one issue of White Dwarf magazine.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: It’s not even necessarily accurate to the real crusades either. It’s the image of the crusades, the societal image of strength and taking by forcr
kaffeetrinken89: Skitari are not necessarily very scolarly.
Volus_dude: mechanicus scribes have collected sacred texts that i am sure is mostly manga
TXC2: Ad mech are kind of like the Vatican city inside of Italy
Metric_Furlong: yes, they speak High Gothic
Prophetx05: Especially since they're allowed to be semi-independant
warpstonewarlock: Bhinaric!
Rourke9: It give plausible deniability
kruudelis: low gothic = fake english
city_of_doors: In the grim darkness of the far future there is only Boris Johnson
TXC2: and then Orks speak cockney Kappa
city_of_doors: truly grim dark
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I think that part of 40K’s problem might be that it’s lasted for so long. Over time there’s always the narrative urge to subvert the canon, to put a new twist on things, and for 40K that means stuff like “oh maybe these are the good guys somehow”
Spades_Slicc: Like Mishra
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Oh like etherium on Esper)
KeytarCat: Hip of Theseus
TXC2: washing causes rusting Kappa
BloodnBullets: so the nose is the first thing to get replaced then
Gekyouryuu: now I wanna make an Ork version of Breekon and Hope. they deliver bullets. the fun way.
TXC2: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou pretty much yeah
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: The meat body is just around as scaffolding for the perfected etherium form
Rourke9: No need to care for it when it’s ultimately disposable
TXC2: tempesta, Pacificus, Solar, Ultima
Volus_dude: warp is like bruno, we don't talk about bruno
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: ah the old “autonomous region” convenient political fiction
accountmadeforants: This old text says Ultima Online, which makes it our birthright.
QuantumTwitch: Hey Cam, hope you are having a great day today
TXC2 goes and gets his rulebook
betweenmyself: If only there were some way to bring the Segments together as a cohesive whole… Segmentum Unificatum riffYeti
kaffeetrinken89: underworld
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Kaorti: the ultramarines have it under control, surely
RevenZ: getting ready for Desert Bus?
Sparkap: Baevola brings all the sass, she's amazing
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: the weird language reminds me of the Cabal. There’s some interesting lore scattered around the Destiny canon about a “reduction” of the Cabal language Ulurant into a form built for shouting over battle net comms and not much else
accountmadeforants: +++ opportunity + L + Ratio
Prophetx05: On the topic of design choices, I love how different the Mechanacus sounds compared to everything else in 40k
Commodore_Perry_GG: "Sending servitors to clog the breach" was one line I caught
MrQBear: something about venting their ammo?
Gnuttor: It Is Fine!
Metric_Furlong: don't worry about it
Kaorti: something something gone rogue once more?
warpstonewarlock: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou TBH, when I saw Cabal for the first time, I thought "Space Marines?"
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I wish they’d go into that more though I get that then they’d have to deal with a lot of “do the Hive speak English” etc that they don’t want to
accountmadeforants: @Commodore_Perry_GG LUL
Gnuttor: Everything Is Fine!
They_Are_Alyx: lrrFINE
Volus_dude: feliciaFine
RevenZ: no warp mishaps
satyropodobny: Magus Redditus LUL
TXC2: sementum Obscurus was the one I couldn't remember
RevenZ: wonder how many died bringing the fuel to the reactor
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @warpstonewarlock almost certainly not an accident
Grimlai: These sound like how the Phyrexians did in the Mirrodin block trailers.
Mushbie: Subdominus Khepra is.... surely something
They_Are_Alyx: Cadia fell before the guard did o7
kaffeetrinken89: nobody died. maybe some returned to the omnissia ... and servitors don't die anyway.
Mushbie: o7
TXC2: "the planet broke before the guard did!" etc etc
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: ugh you want to talk about imagery of power, I’m on a navy base right now and they’ve restarted doing the thing with the bugle calls
Kaorti: the necrons would probably have preferred that the pylons there had held
Sparkap: Note: When engaging in Warp Travel, "Safe" and "Sound" are relative terms, If you find yourself with an additional appendage, please present yourself to the nearest member of the Ecclesiarchy for "cleansing".
juneblue58: I have not forgiven that retcon. I played in that campaign, Cadia stood.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: et in Arcadia, and so on and so on
Volus_dude: what would happen if vtm folk would took a bite out of techpriest and turn them to kindred?
satyropodobny: The planet broke before the Guard did
Spades_Slicc: @Volus_dude do they have enough blood for that?
Metric_Furlong: as one does
kaffeetrinken89: biting steel doesnt create vampired
SolarBlitz1: "Ah, fresh meat"
city_of_doors: Lobotomized slaves
gamercat88: the calculators that you can spell boobless on
MWGNZ: logrithms? fancy servitors
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Refugees turned into a free labor source…seems about right for 40K
CptMurphey: free meat
spurius: look, waste not, want not
Sparkap: Servitor= Like a slave, but without the whining and backtalk. So an improvement really - A Random Techpriest
Nigouki: it's a brains for jobs swap
betweenmyself: @gcu_ofcourseistillloveyou it’d be an easy cop out to simply say Ghosts act as universal translators, but the fact that Amanda Holiday and other mortals can clearly understand speech from the various Destiny races quickly disproves this hand waving
MWGNZ: meat is a resource
accountmadeforants: "No takebacks"
SkylerRingtail: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou About right for humanity in general
KeytarCat: Oh, it's how the USA treats veterans!
MrQBear: "We gave them homes (in new skulls) and took care of their hunger (by removing the need for it)"
Rourke9: “Why are you all booing, I’m right!”
Volus_dude: *happy beeping noises* "meat is back on the menu"
kruudelis: "Meet my new servators: Alexa, Siri, and Google Home."
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @betweenmyself yeah I think it’s something they deliberately just don’t bring up in a larger sense because it’d be a lore and gameplay nightmare to clarify
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RevenZ: and then you have the Inquisitors right?
roastbeefsandwitch: I adore your Warhammer lore, Cam. I could listen to you talk about them for hours. It's very ASMR.
TXC2: AI being illegal in the imperium, but don't tell the Ad mech that :p
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I did swallow a 40K lore wiki at one point but I’m honestly not sure that means I understand anything any better
kaffeetrinken89: well, is it actually AI?
Metric_Furlong: TXC2 it's not AI, it's A Machine Spirit, which is Very Diferent and Not The Same
TXC2: kaffeetrinken89 of course it's not Inquisitor Kappa
Prophetx05: There is no A.I. in the Adeptus Mechanicus
juneblue58: The last actual AI they encountered was absolutely disgusted with the Imperium.
Robot_Bones: And how dare you insinuate otherwise
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: see it’s got a different label on it
satyropodobny: Legally distinct AI
Sparkap: They don't tolerate AI... Unless it's an STC... In which case everybody just fights over it
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: besides, if someone starts giving them trouble, it sure would suck if their tanks and power armor and guns stopped being shipped out
kruudelis: It's a machine ghost! Much more acceptable
Kaorti: they totally require human direction
Spades_Slicc: Is that weed? no it's w33d. Carry on then
betweenmyself: It’s different because they say it’s different.
TXC2: if you know why they don't have AI in Dune, it's the same reason in WH40K
juneblue58: IIRC it just shut down a space marine's power armour with wireless hacking and declared the Imperium unfit to carry Humanity's legacy.
Prophetx05: The machine spirit is the righteous will of that machine's previous warriors, and nothing else
Feriority: Also the Omnissiah is definitely the Emperor and nothing else and is totally compatible with the Imperial Cult
Volus_dude: calling ai as machine spirit is heresy
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: If it were an AI, that would mean we were doing something illegal, and we clearly can’t be doing something illegal, so therefore it’s something else
TXC2: ( and I mean THE same, it was lifted wholesale from Dune)
Rourke9: @txc2 ah, thank you
juneblue58: The Leagues of Votann, on the other hand, do have true AI; or so I'm told.
kaffeetrinken89: warmachines run on promethium ... and copium. lrrFINE
Metric_Furlong: it's definitely not an AI, because if it was we'd have to start another civil war, and we've kind of already got one of those going on with the Chaos worshippers
accountmadeforants: if (secrets.Count > 0) { uncoverSecrets(); }
Sparkap: @TXC2 It's surprising how much of modern sci-fi is just Dune, but with the author's spin on it... When Dune itself is just Lawrence of Arabia in space LUL
satyropodobny: Shitposting all over the noosphere
MrQBear: Radical as in change or Radical as in "Scaevola has learned the secrets of the Skated Board"
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: fascist hierarchies demand constant internal conflict to see who’s stronger and therefore makes the rules
Spades_Slicc: A lieutenant and a rightenant?
TXC2: Sparkap wow it really is isn't it:p
Volus_dude: "be kind, rewind..."
TXC2: it's an outright lie
Sparkap: @TXC2 The spice must flow... and apparently controlled by the Hutt clans
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Metric_Furlong: fascism being efficient is, literally, fascist propaganda
SentientRatKing: If I recall sentient AI is a clear taboo though... well most of the time.
TXC2: the Nazi's had like 8 teams working against one another on the nuclear program
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GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: fascism likes to talk about law and order but in actual practice it endorses breaking any law someone isn’t strong enough to make you obey
Rourke9: Very Sword Logic of them, not terribly Bomb Logic at all
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: it IS very sword logic and that is not an accident
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betweenmyself: @txc2 luckily the Nazi weapon program wasted a lot of time and resources on nonsensical projects as well
Mushbie: "not to me"
TXC2: betweenmyself exactly
Metric_Furlong: so, sort of like the Imperial Guard, except they're called the skitarii Kappa
creasehearst: some forge worlds equip their skitarii with radioactive weapons, because they're more effective and who cares about the skitarii
Spades_Slicc: Rad carbine homie
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: the Hive are intentionally a kind of fascist-capitalist pyramid scheme where you don’t even bother with the fiction of money, it’s all run directly on killing and violence.
SentientRatKing: With the mechanicus knowledge and technology is the only measure of value they respect. Everything else is disposable.
Spades_Slicc: Does this kill the skitarii? Yes but it kills enemies slightly faster
MWGNZ: one of the final bit of becoming a skitarri is getting your flesh legs replaced with robo legs, just because
TXC2: Ad mech looked at Operation Plowsheres and got an erection :p
betweenmyself: @gcu_ofcourseistillloveyou Multi-Level Manglement? pennyWhat
kruudelis: "We generally find that very few Skitarii die from the radiation - it's mostly the combat that kills them"
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: the loss-reward skitarii projections have come out favorably
Spades_Slicc: multiple layers, like magic
Feriority: Are skitarii imperial guards with "better" augmentations and gear and different bosses or are they different in important ways?
Prophetx05: Enemy Defeated>Skitarii Lost
KeytarCat: Ogre tactics?
SentientRatKing: They keep senior tech priests around and value then not because they value the person, but because of the value of the knowledge and expertise they've acquired.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: is this like how Sleeper *definitely* emits fatal levels of radiation, Guardians just always die too fast for it to matter
satyropodobny: If you get killed by radiation you're doing the whole transhumanism gig wrong
Mushbie: @betweenmyself Multi level marketing, another term for a pyramid scheme
TXC2: KeytarCat hit with rock, if not dead, hit again
Commodore_Perry_GG: It reminds me of Dune and Arrival
accountmadeforants: Sounds like at least some of it is being played in reverse, yeah
betweenmyself: @mushbie I was trying for a pun that didn’t land too well
Mushbie: @betweenmyself ahhh
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: the original upside down Russian
TXC2: a lion's roar played backwards at half speed
accountmadeforants: Imagine if they're just passing Animal Crossing noises through a reverb :p
kaffeetrinken89: ironicly skitari can ofzen be treated better than imperial soldiers, because a good tool is more valuable than guard canon fodder, that doesn't need to be manufactured and calibrated, which is a greater investment. Also radiation only kills weak flesh. flesh can and should be replaced.
omnilord: Probably a similar process to how they did the Goa'uld in Stargate
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I’ll bet they started with a language with the phonemes they wanted, then sliced and diced and went nuts with the filters
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @omnilord it does have a similar vibe
Prophetx05: It slaps so much
satyropodobny: Granpas geode collection
TXC2: shouldn't it be nercodermis?
juneblue58: It's very good. This, and the original Chaos Gate soundtrack.
Rourke9: There are noooo parallels between us and the nekrons shhhh
Volus_dude: 1 orange shield and 1 blue one. so are mechanicus half a bear?
Rourke9: Oooh I love the organ
chippydogs: are you looking forward to rogue trader ?
Walla_tv: the heavy flamer
Bagerilukt: is this a turnbased game?
Sparkap: @Feriority Different hierarchy, equipment, recruitment and personnel. The Skitarii are recruited and in many ways rebuilt. They're quite literally built different and wired to obey. It would take a while to explain. The Guard are the army, the Skitarii are in many ways more Tech-slaves that serve as highly advanced guards and search and destroy units
Rourke9: The three Cs
warpstonewarlock: Shovel Krieg memes....
smasngrab: Whaaaaagh!?!
quesocouatl: Whaaaaagh!!
satyropodobny: I sure wish someone came up with new memes this last decade.
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Gekyouryuu: awful big words for someone in exterminatus range
kaffeetrinken89: We still appreciate effort, sometimes. Thank you.
Sparkap: Xenomorph= It just looks weird ok?
TXC2: Strange shape = penis :p
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: “xenomorph” is a nicely scientific term. It doesn’t make any assumptions. It describes exactly what is observed: a strange form.
Metric_Furlong: @Rourke9 Exactly! the fact that the necrons are an ancient specious that completely replaced their physical bodies with mechanical ones, and that this is also what our own religion says we should do to ourselves, is completely coincidental and I don't know what a 'Void Dragon' is shut up
constablecrab: Well, there goes the neighborhood.
kaffeetrinken89: giger counter =》 counts phallic objects
Mushbie: don't worry about it
quesocouatl: A void dragon, or Avoid Dragon?
kruudelis: Ad Mech are distinctly different from the Necrons! We wear red
DeM0nFiRe: Nothing much, what's a void dragon with you?
satyropodobny: Not anymore it isn't
jandalf_84: that void dragon is medicinal and i am just keeping it for a friend
Desruprot: @Rourke9 They also managed to usurpe the gods that caused all their pain
YFiddler: What is a Void Dragon?
StreetCornerPoet: You ctan do anything you put your mind to...
accountmadeforants: "The Void Dragon does not exist. And if it did exist, it's not on Mars. And if it were on Mars, it's not a big deal. And if it is a big deal, we have it under control!"
Boon_33: as one does
Gekyouryuu: as you do
TXC2: of normal meat people who died at like 30 'cause of radiation
creasehearst: the Necrontyr also had a slight issue of having pretty extreme cancer
Volus_dude: time and stuff is messed up on warp
juneblue58: I really miss the older Necrons in that regard. The 4th edition codex had an Eldar prophecy in which Imperial scholars are trying to interpret a prophecy about a c'tan emerging from "the Vaul moon" and the scholar is catching on that this is a reference to a forge world.
Metric_Furlong: @YFiddler short version: kind of a physical necron god. it is/was slumbering beneath the surface of Mars
MLGTaylorSwift: Klaus Teuber's C'tan
kruudelis: Sameron
Mangledpixel: Sameron?
PMAvers: Settlers of C'tan
warpstonewarlock: Back in their day warp was pretty calm, they fought Old Ones because immortal toads didn't want to share the secret to immortality.
somebasil: The seitan
betweenmyself: Random thought: wonder if anyone has done a rhythm based text adventure. Type “go north” and “use key” on the beat.
kaffeetrinken89: settlers of satans, famous game
DEATHlikescats: Çameron
TXC2: they used to fed on stars
TXC2: *feed
juneblue58: Yup.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Cameron I want you to know I’m valiantly suppressing a number of terrible “ancient grouchy war machine and/or space god” jokes. Just letting you know.
TXC2: then found that people where tastier
juneblue58: Nightbringer got hungry and started eating the rest; leaving the Outsider, Void Dragon, Deceiver, and itself.
juneblue58: At least in the older lore.
YFiddler: thank you
creasehearst: i really reductive way to describe them is that they're realspace god equivalents to the chaos warp gods
Sparkap: Well, the Necrons asked the dudes that invented the Warp to cure their many, MANY, maladies. The dudes said no. The Necrons got pissed. The C'tan showed up, who totally weren't munching on Necrons souls, totally, and said to the Necrons:"Hey, we can help you out" and made them immortal... by turning them into metal and eating their souls...
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I mean, let ‘em eat stars if they want. There are a LOT of stars. Go ham.
TXC2: the 4 are the deciver, the nightbringer, the void dragon and the outsuder
Desruprot: Theres also a Nightbringer
TXC2: *outsider
warpstonewarlock: Nightbringer looks like a grim reaper and created the fear of death in mortals.
Mangledpixel: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou well yes, but a bunch of them are kinda important, we'd prefer they nom the less important ones
Metric_Furlong: Outsider is the one the Tyranids try to avoid
Gekyouryuu: I thought nyarlathotep was the crawling chaos
warpstonewarlock: Cegorach
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: They could chow down one star a day for millennia and not even make the beginnings of the start of a dent in the Milky Way
creasehearst: Isha is possibly also still alive inside Nurgle's domain
satyropodobny: C'tan were originally energy beings who fed on dying stars. Necrontyr trapped them inside physical forms and thought them that souls have much more flavor.
Feriority: If you're inventing gods on purpose I feel like "the deceiver" is maybe not the best one to make
Sparkap: KEKorach
warpstonewarlock: Isha is also alive but captured by Nurgle
Rourke9: My understanding is that only after becoming metals and immortal did the Necrons realize that they got tricked into a kind of shit deal
warpstonewarlock: Pretty much @Rourke9
Metric_Furlong: I think Old Necron lore was that the C'Tan left enough of an impact that they're kidn of the inspiration for these divine archetypes in other pantheons, although I don't know if that's still canon
kaffeetrinken89: Isha is Eldar or am I mixing stuff up?
warpstonewarlock: yes
Sparkap: @Feriority He wasn't known as the Deceiver at first... he got that name after he did some things
TXC2: kaffeetrinken89 an Eldar god yes
Mangledpixel: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou they can start with that unregarded little yellow sun in the western spiral arm, noone will miss that one
creasehearst: yes, she's the Eldar god of life and healing
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @mangledpixel just chuck em in a halo globular cluster and let them run around. They’ll come back when they get tired.
jaqofspades: The Silent King was so pissed he got tricked that he just left into the deepest reaches of space to figure out for to fix it.
Sparkap: @kaffeetrinken89 She is Eldar, yes.
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TXC2: "live"
razorswift: necrons got scammed
Feriority: @Sparkap Yeah I guess The Deceiver is going to be good at convincing you he's not The Deceiver
jaqofspades: Sometimes when people offer you something that seems super good, it might not be super good.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Didn’t the necrons oops themselves into signing on as eternal zombies for the C’tan?
Sparkap: @Feriority You got it in one
Desruprot: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou yep
accountmadeforants: "Hey, wanna trade your souls for me to fix that whole mortality problem of yours?" -"Sure, souls don't matter!"
TXC2: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou that was the old lore, but yes
jaqofspades: Did the lore change with the Silent King return?
Duwani1: shouldn't necrons steamroll the mechanicus?
SolarBlitz1: I believe it's that the Necrons were made into the robots by the C'tan to fight Chaos, then they rebelled and broke the C'tan into shards that they then trapped in pretty much pokeballs of the same Necrodermis
KeytarCat: @Sparkap This is just the christian devil?
kaffeetrinken89: most necrons didn't have the necessary mental fortitude to adept to their new bodies
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: one of the bits I do remember from that 40K lore binge was the idea of the big dead star shards like that you would haul around a big sharp chunk of dead god
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: that sounded cool
SolarBlitz1: But that could now be outdated
jaqofspades: Also, Warhammer lore can never be trusted because every person telling you might not actually know what they are talking about.
razorswift: the fact that you get more actions from Necron Obelisks SHOULD seem sketchy LUL
TXC2: SolarBlitz1 it wasn't against chaos, but a warp thing pre chaos
Sparkap: @KeytarCat Not exactly, I don't think... There are a few parallels, but I wouldn't say it's a 1-to-1
jaqofspades: In character sources I mean.
betweenmyself: Coming into this game a bit blind, does it feature character permadeath or are these interchangeable (disposable) units?
GreatGodOm: How close is this to TT Warhammer?
TXC2: jaqofspades everything is cannon, nothing is true
jaqofspades: Good way of putting it.
warpstonewarlock: @jaqofspades Not much, they are just more active in the galaxy. And they created a thing called Pariah Nexus that shut downs the link to warp locally and make people catatonic (unless your faith is strong enough).
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: The shards seemed like an excuse to paint colossal “minis” of evil celestial shrapnel like hellish skyscrapers and that sounded great to me
Mushbie: @GreatGodOm very different
SentientRatKing: @Duwani1 Eh the necrons are individualy strong but they're also millions year old tech that is faulty and falling apart and slow to wake and form coherent plans.
Mangledpixel: I like the UI of 'Validate' rather than 'OK' or 'Continue'
Duwani1: They are not falling apart though - the whole thing with necrodermus is that it is eternal
TXC2: also BTW, the weapon the necrons use is a gauss flyer, this works by peeling the atoms from your body :p
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I mean don’t most weapons technically peel atoms out of your body
KeytarCat: Such good words in this game
warpstonewarlock: @Duwani1 Current minis are now showing that it can deteriorate
betweenmyself: @txc2 so just high-falutin microdermabrasion
Duwani1: That is really dumb
TXC2: betweenmyself yes, but deeper
GirlPainting: This is the story of Cameron. Cameron was sitting at a Computer pushing Buttons and the Computer reacted to the butten presses and Cameron was happy.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: So okay we’ve talked about the setting and the ideas and lots of cool stuff, but…Cameron, what is the game itself? Is this an X-Com type tactics thing?
TXC2: ^
Mushbie: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou I think most just re rearrange the molecules
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: (I have no decent video right now)
warpstonewarlock: @Duwani1 Not really, reanimation protocols are not working properly after 60.000.000.000 years
BlackIsis: It also has a killer soundtrack.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: What kind of game mechanics do you think work best with the setting’s flavor?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: like what’s in this game that you’re like “that’s a good way to get that concept across”
GirlPainting: warpstonewarlock but the C´etan sayed we had a Warenty of 59.000.000.000 years!
warpstonewarlock: *Deceiver laughs in the background*
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Conflicting requirements? Like to have to favor some over others?
kaffeetrinken89: are the game mechanics different than those of the grey knights game?
Mushbie: ahh so the Deceiver is a used car sales man.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: That is kinda cool
shendaras: What do you want?
TXC2: !advice
LRRbot: Put the video into the Paul.
Mangledpixel: I like the melting screen transition, very 90s
Metric_Furlong: !break
LRRbot: Remember chat, break time for the streamer means break time for YOU, so unclench, get up, stretch, walk about a bit, and maybe get a drink or go to the toilet if you need to. Don't forget to wash your hands!
Gnuttor: Thanks! Night all
Feriority: Does making the lieutenants happy matter directly or is that just how the game presents decisions that are tradeoffs?
TXC2: so long Gnuttor sleep well
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: One thing you can say about 40K, it’s probably not a setting that’s gonna feed you a generic videogame “do the obviously good thing or the obviously bad thing”
accountmadeforants: Scaevola is Cool Mom. Videx just wants you to play Sportsball and ignore this nonsense.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: it’s bad all the way down
TXC2: Feriority the latter I assume
kaffeetrinken89: Also maybe just unclench when on the toilet.
Gnuttor: thnx @TXC2 elkjaerLove
GirlPainting: yes , uncluntch your spine, desplotch your TEETH and change your fluids!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: See, if you were a properly upgraded tech priest, you wouldn’t need a break
accountmadeforants: Reseat your eyeballs
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: breaks are for the FLESH
Mangledpixel: so let's break some flesh
xantos69: Hey folks. Are we hammering the wars?
GirlPainting: evan tech priests need an oil change!
TXC2: hello xantos69 welcome
kaffeetrinken89: you also wouldn't need a toilet ... or maybe the toilet would be integrated.
KeytarCat: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou I'm a fleshbag!
accountmadeforants: (But seriously, do take some time to occasionally look at something far away, if you've mostly been looking at your screen so far.)
Zandivya: @gcu_ofcourseistillloveyou lies. My car takes frequent breaks.
TXC2: tech priests need to be serviced every 3000 miles
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @kaffeetrinken89 I’m not sure which would be worse….
kaffeetrinken89: maybe there are toilet serivitors, for busy tech priests.
LoadingReadyRun: can't remember if I ran an ad >.<
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @keytarcat go tend your meat so it will hold out until you can get some decent parts then!
xantos69: @kaffeetrinken89 That just makes me think of that World of Warcraft episode of South Park.
Mangledpixel: kaffeetrinken89 what an existence
TXC2: there 100& are Janitor servitors
TXC2: *100%
kaffeetrinken89: reminds me of made in abyss, great anime/manga
betweenmyself: Luckily for such a grim-dark setting the devs haven’t embraced the futuristic hellscape mindset by implementing NFTs into their games riffYeti
Mangledpixel: betweenmyself oh gods don't put that idea into the world
TXC2: NFTs are too grimdank even for WH40K
BlackIsis: Sure the Emperor might be an undead dictatorial ruler shambling on in a rejection of life itself, but he's not a monster, @betweenmyself
kaffeetrinken89: seriously there would be nor greater heresy
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: …does 40K have money? Like do 40K societies have money? Or are they all just walking armies to the point where there’s no need for money because the hierarchy directs all resources?
TXC2: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou they have credits
Mangledpixel: undoubtedly some execs will have at least thought about introducing NFTs into tabletop wargaming
Feriority: Only one faction uses NFTs. Non-Fungible Taukens
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Didn’t the Eldar party so hard they made the warp? Can you imagine causing a catastrophe like that, but not even for something as great as partying? Just to make imaginary trading cards?
kaffeetrinken89: yes, there are.many different worlds with different monetary systems. intergalactic trading can be difficult at times. theres is a great yt vid on this topic.
TXC2: looping back to the whole fascism parody, you kinda need money to exist for it to work
xantos69: NFMs? Non-fungible Miniatures?
TXC2: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou not the warp "just" Slanessh
Mangledpixel: TXC2 given that this is an 80s/90s property, I presume they're called 'creds' at least some of the time
warpstonewarlock: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Many currencies - Aquilas, Thrones. Crowns and Credits on Necromunda,
TXC2: Mangledpixel indeed
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: what would an NFT god even look like. Is there even enough of a concept there to make one.
xantos69: @TXC2 You don't have to have a concept of money for Facism to exist. The leader could just rule through absolute force and say "I own everything" Therefore your concept of money has no meaning.
SkylerRingtail: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou A bored ape?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: You don’t need money just something to fight over
kaffeetrinken89: i believe gods are nonfungible by definition
TXC2: xantos69 I just feel like Fascism and Capitalism go hand in hand :p
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I mean sounds like the C’tan just minted their own
Mangledpixel: the most cosmically Bored Ape
SoldieroFortune: Is a trading card a physical NFT?
Spades_Slicc: @SoldieroFortune Nah, you can funge those tokens
kaffeetrinken89: no
betweenmyself: @gcu_ofcourseistillloveyou like Ambassador Kosh on Babylon 5. Different to everyone. Your own personal God tailored to you until someone steals it from your crypto-wallet.
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GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I mean yes literally all NFTs are are lousy reading catds
xantos69: @TXC2 Historically on earth yes. But it didn't HAVE to be that way. Lots of other awful possibilities exist.
Mangledpixel: kinda? that's kinda what NFTs were modeled on
TXC2: xantos69 touché
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: *lousy trading cards
SoldieroFortune: Because if they are, WH40K already has NFT's - because Magic has WH40K cards ...
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: like imagine someone making baseball cards but baseball didn’t exist. That’s NFTs. That’s actually all they are.
TXC2: NFT's are basically "what if numbers had scarcity?"
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: At least Magic cards you can play Magic with
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Baseball cards you can’t play with, but they’re given value by the context of IRL baseball
TXC2: and we're back
Feriority: Trading cards are fungible though? Except for, like, limited-run numbered collector's pieces
wordnerdify: Welcome back
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RevenZ: welcome back cam
Oddities_Collector: hi back, im dad
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: NFTs are just “divorce the concept of trading card completely from any context that gives it value.”
KeytarCat: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Blaseball Cards!
kaffeetrinken89: ah, taking care of the fluid cycle, very responsible
TXC2: lets move one from NFTs chat
xantos69: Oh no we have two carriers of Dad-joke-itus!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: oh we were talking about money, Cameron what’s the money sitch in 40K? Does the Imperium have oppressive space corps?
warpstonewarlock: They do.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: or was that flavor of dystopia a little later than 40K’s inception?
warpstonewarlock: Mechanicus is usually one of them
xantos69: Wouldn't shock me if they had "EmperorBuckz" (tm)
Oddities_Collector: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou that pretty much the only real thing they have aside from the extreme religion and xenophobia
warpstonewarlock: Necromunda has Guilds
Timagio: RIP servitor
accountmadeforants: 000001? Oh no, they were a collectible!
Mangledpixel: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou first version of 40K came out in 87, so yes, megacorps etc were a thing in fiction by that point
TXC2: a lot of the trading and commerce has a very medieval bent to it
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: 87? Huh why do I think of 40K as being way older than that
TXC2: like it's guilds and traders and not corporations
roastbeefsandwitch: Sweet music!
Timagio: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou That's still 35 years old, now
warpstonewarlock: For example, Promethium Guild is the only source of energy. There was another Guild that had safer and more environment friendly source of energy and the PRomethium Guild destroyed them.
SentientRatKing: I think they do have mega corps, but if I recall right they often more take the form of hereditary noble houses of aristocrats who say have the imperial remit of making lasguns, or food,or tank parts.
googoltudoris: more videogame soundtracks to add to my space playlist
Oddities_Collector: do we know if cam has played inquisitor martyr as i dont want end up asking him a question that has been answered many times
Mangledpixel: it does have its roots in a lot of 70s scifi
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: for some reason my brain thinks 40K was like a 70s early 80s thing
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Maybe because that’s when Thatcher herself got going
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @sentientratking that makes sense
TXC2: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Warhammer Fantasy is from the late 70's
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @txc2 wait, are those different things?
warpstonewarlock: Yes
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: huh
TXC2: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou yeah, in the same way WarCraft and StarCraft are different
Feriority: Rogue Traders are more like megacorps than the name suggests, but on the scale of 40k they're still not very mega
Mr_Horrible: ah yes, Pipe Organ Dubstep, my favorite
Mr_Horrible: (not facetious)
SentientRatKing: 40k is very feudal medieval Europe in its societal structure.
TXC2: ^
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I legit did not know Warhammer fantasy and 40K were different things
Timagio: Slappidy slap
Mr_Horrible: they have some bits of vaguely related lore
Mangledpixel: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Warhammer Fantasy was in the realm of DnD, but with a few scifi elements, and then they decided to flip it on its head - making a scifi game with small elements of fantasy, and 40K resulted
Mr_Horrible: like the space lizards who made humanity exist in both canons
Mr_Horrible: -ish
warpstonewarlock: Easy way to differentiate the two - Fantasy/AoS has ratmen, 40k does not
TXC2: yeah a lot of Fantasy races one for one'd with 40K races
Mangledpixel: the game was going to be called Rogue Trader, but 2000 AD had a comic called Rogue Trooper that GW signed a deal to turn into a board game, so Rogue Trader was renamed Warhammer 40,000 to avoid confusion
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LordZarano: Warhammer 40,000 occurs 40000 years after Warhammer Fantasy, as I understand it
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Well that explains why I had a dim memory of “Warhammer” being a late 70s ish thing.
Timagio: @LordZarano Nope, different universes
warpstonewarlock: @LordZarano nope, not related
warpstonewarlock: 40k takes place in our universe
TXC2: closest thing 40K has to skraven is probably the tyrannids, but it's a stretch
kaffeetrinken89: warhammer fantasy isn't a thing anymore and changed into age of sigmar. also the connection between fantasy and 40k isn't canon (anymore).
Mangledpixel: warpstonewarlock I think they mean the original concept, not the current canon
Timagio: That's...a fair comparison, honestly
TXC2: fair enough
yalc321: Huh I never drew that comparioson, but yeah
warpstonewarlock: Old concept had Fantasy set in 40k universe, just inside a warpstorm
LordZarano: Welp, I guess the 1 thing I thought I knew about these games was incorrect
Spades_Slicc: Otaku Jeff
RatekStormcrow: I never played WH Fantasy, But Blood Bowl I am a Skavenboy
Oddities_Collector: i thought genestealer cult was more skaven like due to their mutants
Mr_Horrible: yeah, the Great Race, or whatever it's called, that created the lizardmen and the geomantic web(?) in Fantasy, are also the lore progenitors of humanity in 40k, but they got wiped out by the Necrontyr, who would go on to become the Necrons
warpstonewarlock: LAser cannons
Mangledpixel: LordZarano not entirely incorrect, just out of date
Mushbie: yes yes
TXC2: Mr_Horrible the Old ones
Metric_Furlong: @Mr_Horrible The Old Ones is the name of the creator race
SentientRatKing: @LordZarano I think it was true they were connected at one point, but that was early fiction which was gotten rid of.
Mr_Horrible: ah thank you txc2
Steemdroid: i love my skaven army
warpstonewarlock: skaven and greenskinz are my favourites.
Mangledpixel: Steemdroid skarmy
Feriority: Is there a 40k equivalent of blood bowl?
Oddities_Collector: but i guess its more of ad mech are clan skryr and genestealer cult is clan moulder
warpstonewarlock: nope
TXC2: Feriority no
warpstonewarlock: no BB in 40k
MWGNZ: both factions would be a lot stronger without so much infighting and posturing
Mr_Horrible: and then the Chaos gods are also the same, but Slaanesh has different origins(?) between Fantasy and 40k
jaqofspades: Old Ones were once thought to have created the Tyranids as a kind of reset button for the universe.
kaffeetrinken89: they are a goofy tech faction. But imho that's it.
Wonderfulhelix: I always drew parallels to the necrons with warpstone being kinda similar to blackstone and green weapons. But in terms of vibe it's like half orc, half adeptus.
Mr_Horrible: although I think they're still the most recent god in both canons?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: So wait. In this game, what’s your role? In X-Com you’re the commander
Darleysam: I know we've already discussed it, but these voices are rad as hell
warpstonewarlock: @Mr_Horrible Currently Great Horned Rat is the youngest god
Mr_Horrible: the sound design in this game whips
Mangledpixel: that character just called you 'sire', I think
Oddities_Collector: all we know is we're not the good guys :P
TXC2: maybe we're 3rd lieutenant?
Mangledpixel: if that helps identify you
Metric_Furlong: Mr_Horrible yeah, in 40k Slaanesh was accidentally created by the Eldar, but in Fantasy they're as old/eternal as the other big chaos gods
Mr_Horrible: @Mr_Horrible ah, so there's more stuff than the 4 principle ones in Fantasy. I'm way off then
Metric_Furlong: oh yeah, like in Fantasy Chaos is more of a Big Deal than in 40k
SentientRatKing: Yeah Slaanesh in 40k was sort of created by the Eldar putting all their points into hedonism, but also sort of not because the warp is weird.
PaperDoopliss: I thought Slaanesh was youngest in Fantasy as well
Metric_Furlong: since, all magic originates from Chaos energy and it's a fantasy setting
warpstonewarlock: Not in Age of Sigmar
Temperature_Droplet: I read that you are supposed to be Reditus, the first explorer who got turned into a servo skull.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: whoa there!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: English!
SkylerRingtail: Oopsie
Mangledpixel: oh hey, it's the guy from Grim Fandango
Prophetx05: So good
CururuGuasu: Cool hat
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Talking to the *player*
Mr_Horrible: I like that the Necrons speak less alien to us than AdMec
mile_wide_INI_file: The robots that look human sound more human than the humans that look like robots. Drama!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: that made me jump no joke I’ve just got audio
Oddities_Collector: i like how he understands them when they speak in binary but refuses to only speak in english
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: it’s like how the Ahamkara speak straight to the player to indicate how totally other they are
BlackIsis: throwin' a lot of stones there in your glass house buddy
Desruprot: What manner of Galaxy is this
Mushbie: "what manner of galaxy is this, into which I have OwOken?"
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: did that guy just wake up and go “kids these days”
jaqofspades: @Mushbie The Necrawwwwns?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: little SHODAN there
TXC2: yes, the Necron's whole deal is "Get off my lawn"
Mr_Horrible: "Back in my day we had living metal, none of this synthesis bullshit"
Prophetx05: I love the warrior face transition
Mangledpixel: this is no Galaxy, this is a California-class
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: speaking of which System Shock 2 would rule on TS someday
accountmadeforants: Bit like Ashnod, after creating robot zombies, seeing the phyrexians and going "ew, no, wtf"
TXC2: Mangledpixel boooo Kappa
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Is dominus…commander? Are we one of the Adeptus Mechanicus ourself, or did we get banished to babysit the nerds?
TXC2: GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou I feel like we did that WAY back
ImmortalLen: I just played that tutorial last night and trying to capture them does the same thing., it looks like it doesn't matter what you pick in that choice, you have to fight. Good old illusion of choice.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @txc2 I wouldn’t be surprised
Mr_Horrible: oh he's one of the tank bois
accountmadeforants: We get it, Agrolekh, you played Stellaris
warpstonewarlock: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Khepra called as a Magos, so... yes?
BloodnBullets: I imagine trying to fight through a void admiral with a pair of tech priests is not adviable
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @immortallen “illusion of choice to avoid a fight” actually sounds about right for 40K
CururuGuasu: He makes a compelling argument
TXC2: "Korks are still around and dumber then ever old man"
Mr_Horrible: stalalaJAM Dance of the Cryptek stalalaJAM
CaptainSpam: Don't need to strike fear if we just strike him dead!
GhostValv: lrrSPOOPY
Pseudonymn: that's as many as four tens
Mangledpixel: causeiDance
TXC2: and that's terrible
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: “Void Admiral” the heck does that mean? How do you admiral around a void? And also not to diss your rank but if you meet like a Navy admiral in a hallway you can beat them up just as easily as a standard human
Pseudonymn: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou (the void is space)
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: They don’t get to keep the ships with them all the time
CururuGuasu: Ooo, he brought his own choir
Mr_Horrible: oh more than the turn's gonna end for that lad I tell ya what
Oddities_Collector: servitor are pretty much meatshields and speed bumps in the best of circumstances
accountmadeforants: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Admiral of the Space Cadets? Wow!
TXC2: lrrFINE
Feriority: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Looks like he's got a void kayak, or maybe he's a void kayaktaur
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: reminds me of one of my favorite Archer one-liners when he trashes a hallway of Air Force guys and goes, “Not to diss the Air Force, but, it’s a good thing you guys have airplanes.”
PaperDoopliss: Oh no the servitor didn't make it how could this be
GhostValv: benginO7
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: oh no the servitor didn’t make it! And it’s SO annoying to fill out the requisition form!
TXC2: oh no! anyway
Mr_Horrible: ayyy
PaperDoopliss: We have officially scratched the paint
Feriority: He's on a 20 turn clock!
Mushbie: leg it
Mr_Horrible: by "that" we mean "indignation""
Max_Mckayful: Even a god king can bleed
GhostValv: benginO7
bytecaster: Narrator: He wasn't great
jaqofspades: Can't just buff that out.
BlackIsis: So great
accountmadeforants: He's gonna be grated
BlackIsis: He's falling right into our trap
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: “yeah yeah your dad can beat up my dad whatever dude you don’t even know what year it is”
BlackIsis: Just let him build up his confidence and then destroy him with the ultimate hammerblow
Mr_Horrible: "Use your brain to run farther"
Boon_33: future work assignment: grate on walkway p14E
GrumblingMoblin: lives are a resource
Feriority: I am really curious what the "capture" option would be like considering how rough "run away" is going
j30000000: your skulls can collect cognition from structures i belive
accountmadeforants: I do kinda wanna see what happens if you cheat it such that you actually beat him.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Imagine some ancient warlord wakes up in your basement and goes “when I rule this land I will kill people like you for fun!” And you’re like “whatever man you don’t even know how to dial a phone.”
Mr_Horrible: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou "I have a computer in my pocket. Your martial prowess couldn't even make a grubhub order."
Mr_Horrible: well, shattered them
Mr_Horrible: more like
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: yeah I think so
Nigouki: killed your gods? Are you from some some sort of JRPG?
Mr_Horrible: and bound the shards
TXC2: killed you god? like that makes you special? bitch I where my god on my neck Kappa
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: they put them in cool giant space knives
Mr_Horrible: we love the Shards of C'tan
Feriority: Only hit point that matters is the last one?
Mr_Horrible: they're very pointy
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @mr_horrible “You can’t even cross the street.”
Mr_Horrible: LUL
TXC2: right chat I'm off
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: well this is going to be an awkward meeting
korvys: MTV Crypts
TXC2: Goodnight everybody, and thanks for streaming Cameron
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: “So we let an ancient alien warlord out. Who was in charge of not letting out ancient alien warlords? Anyone got anything to say for themselves?”
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: the most “so that happened” group meeting ever
DEATHlikescats: Gnight @txc2 !
DEATHlikescats: Have a great sleep!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: night @txc2
Mr_Horrible: meanwhile scaevola looks like they just woke up
accountmadeforants: And Videx is Just Bald
Cptasparagus: videx got that mohawk
Max_Mckayful: Who's your cable stylist? I'm needing a new one.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: alright time for me to head home. You’ll probably be done with stream by the time I’m back so good evening, thanks for stream, I learned new things about 40K.
DEATHlikescats: Was getting big “hang in there” vibes
Feriority: Also the lighter-colored cables mixed in with the darker ones makes me think greying hair
ei_ole_Munkkiman: Tiresus is tired and sus
DEATHlikescats: @ei_ole_munkkiman yes!
BlackIsis: 2016, I think
Cptasparagus: 2018 on steam
roastbeefsandwitch: 2018? 209?
warpstonewarlock: 2018
Kaorti: no body image parallels here, none at all
DEATHlikescats: @gcu_ofcourseistillloveyou have a lovely time!
Mr_Horrible: oh, that's more recent than I thought
razorswift: children of omnissiah, such a simple but great song
Kaorti: I'd skip to thigh-high cyberboots
accountmadeforants: Patches of stripes coloured skin? Lightning Greaves?
DEATHlikescats: Tripp pants?
JadedCynic: yeah, that sounds right @Kaorti
SolarBlitz1: They clearly have fused Heelies
Rhynerd: Safety stripes.
Kaorti: safety stripes are a good thought too
DEATHlikescats: @solarblitz1 with the light up every step technology
Kaorti: Maybe RGB underlighting?
Rhynerd: Or make the socks look like larger versions of some of the wires.
Kaorti: @JadedCynic TransgenderPride
razorswift: i don't think anyone in any club would be able to hear you anymore because you're always drowned out by the bass xD
BloodnBullets: smoke lots until you get through cancer, then you can have this kind of voice.
BloodnBullets: throat*
Feriority: With the wire/cable aesthetic, programmer socks are heat-shrink tubing
Mushbie: or cable braiding perhaps?
MrQBear: Define: Programmer Socks?
Mushbie: nah that would be fishnets
RatekStormcrow: That sounds heretic
ei_ole_Munkkiman: traveling around the world is pretty heretic for sure
RatekStormcrow: *Explorators sound heretic
They_Are_Alyx: @MrQBear "Programmer Socks" are pinl/bue and white striped thigh-high socks are often referred to. The joke is that trans femmes are often programmers.
They_Are_Alyx: pink*
warpstonewarlock: I think Enginseers are healers. They usually fix things.
Kaorti: the colors aren't that important
Kaorti: it's the sock style
MrQBear: @MrQBear Ah! I understand now, thanks to you and @Kaorti
RaklarLS: soundtrack feels like we're one beat away from Era
TacitusVigil: They see to the well being of *every* Imperial planet in the galaxy?
grgriffin3: The music in this game goddamn rules
razorswift: it is
BlackIsis: Yeah, it's honestly worth buying for the soundtrack alone
The_Color_Twelve: neat
korvys: Still free for a couple of days on Epic
They_Are_Alyx: ^
JadedCynic: And IIRC, it's - nvm Korvys got it :D
Feriority: @RatekStormcrow In Rogue Trader (the tabletop RPG) you can play a magos explorator and the flavor is basically "it's a good thing you're on this ship exploring far away from the rest of the admech so nobody knows how heretical you are"
Mazrae: hello everyone
SkylerRingtail: @TacitusVigil ^
JadedCynic: it's been one of the two weekly free games
JadedCynic: until llike the 3rd?
squ3e: Just joined, what genre / style of game is this?
Rhynerd: Ah, the DLC secret Xenotech cult
Spades_Slicc: this game is free on epic?
I_Am_Clockwork: Cheer5000 I love the sound design in this game
They_Are_Alyx: @Spades_Slicc It is!
ValtheDrake: I think it was also in humble monthly at some point
embra_ashling: xenarite + explorator is a fun build. berserker tech priests!
BloodnBullets: maybe get a medic before you get a berserker?
MrQBear: You do have TWO techpriests right now... this one could be Xenarite? ' <'
MrQBear: wait we still have two techpriests, right?
I_Am_Clockwork: Free cognition is hard to say no to
embra_ashling: tbf, every tech tree is utterly broken by the time you max it out, so you can kinda just pick whatever seems fun / neat
RatekStormcrow: Moer Tech Priest per Tech Priest
ImmortalLen: Is this one of those games you can brick your file if you play too badly?
MrQBear: but if they're the techpriest that gets more cognition, can't they afford to carry around the big, expensive, shiny weapon? Or is it one of those things that requires more levels to justify?
Cptasparagus: i see Xenarites are into CRT
embra_ashling: @ImmortalLen you can maybe miss out on some stuff by failing missions, but on normal difficulty it's not a huge concern aside from early on
squ3e: is this like xcom or darkest dungeon
Mushbie: @squ3e xcom
squ3e: ty
korvys: Well, we aren't here to *not* tech priest
SkylerRingtail: I'm curious how this compares to Chaos Gate re: being XCOM-like
BloodnBullets: can't wait to see one of these guys fully loaded
JadedCynic: SeemsGood
PaperDoopliss: I permit you to come back in a few minutes
ChrisGMiller: I validate your choice
TheThirdTail: I mean, I can communicate back all I want
TheThirdTail: But I can't change your actions
ei_ole_Munkkiman: I allow it *pompous handwave*
j30000000: I did need a break
MrQBear: Maybe Cam doesn't actually read chat, and he's just responding in a way he thinks we'll find acceptable.
j30000000: if he is operating on an algorithm it's a damn good one
warpstonewarlock: *Heard but not Seen sketch* "Again?"
Spades_Slicc: Cam's flipping the tape during the ad breaks
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ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: just a full on Ferris Beuller situation?
JadedCynic: value?
El_Funko: ooh I haven't played this one, how is it?
flustered_blue: If you hold space there is another mission giver
Max_Mckayful: Oh Videx, always with the cleansing.
El_Funko: good mouth feel, got it
Spades_Slicc: The gameplay is fine but the circuits taste great!
BloodnBullets: whats the machine spirit thing the items keep mentioning? I dont think we have encountered that in game yet?
JadedCynic: Smirk
Laserbeaks_Fury: I like GOTO being capitalized, like a throwback
JadedCynic: yeah <3
Master_Gunner: both? both.
Spades_Slicc: Could be weed
They_Are_Alyx: @BloodnBullets The Adeptus Mechanicus believe that all machines have a machine spirit inside them that allows them to function
Laserbeaks_Fury: So, is this on a Space Hulk?
JadedCynic: why not both? a stick of combustible aromatic wood infused both with scents and nanties that get activated from the heat?
warpstonewarlock: No, on a Tomb World
Kaorti: tomb world
Laserbeaks_Fury: K
BloodnBullets: @BloodnBullets Right, I'm vaguely aware of that lorewise, but it appears to have some in game mechanic we havent encountered yet.
warpstonewarlock: If I understand, Subdomina could be translated as Under-Commander. You're in charge... but not really.
shendaras: You're the one in charge when things have gone wrong,
Laserbeaks_Fury: Or someone
JadedCynic: yeah, like the german field rank of "unteroffizier" being the direct subordinate of a squad leader.
Laserbeaks_Fury: NGL, when Cam said colonel, I totally processed it a kernel
BloodnBullets: desk
warpstonewarlock: Don't choose axe-like one
Max_Mckayful: Choose the form of your destruction?
JadedCynic: when in doubt left
thymato: now chat correct me if I'm wrong
warpstonewarlock: oh, it usually the axe-one that hurts
Boon_33: left was the only real choice
Cptasparagus: @warpstonewarlock november 1st is opposite day
thymato: But I remember hearing that the glyphs randomize each playthrough
JadedCynic: how much time to you spend fixing it - more means it works better, but the longer you wait...
accountmadeforants: One thing I will say: I hate/love how realistic the GPU artifacts/texture glitches are on the map screen. Had to check it on my phone to see whether my PC wasn't actually bugging out :p
JadedCynic: LUL
JadedCynic: yay, you satisfy my inner competionist :D
accountmadeforants: Someone bring a Necron clipboard and Necrodermis Hardhat, act like you belong!
JadedCynic: ^^^
Boon_33: loot casually
BloodnBullets: no armor though
accountmadeforants: Love these lil platforms
JadedCynic: ah, outflank the enemy...while they seek to outflank you too
j30000000: I love beefing up your servitors so they can kill these guys its strangely satisfying watching the little men bonk
BloodnBullets: ok theres the stuff about machine spirits
j30000000: haha questions will be axed!!!!
JadedCynic: oh right, ressurection - these are necrons we're talking about
I_Am_Clockwork: Something something servitor facts
j30000000: unsubscribe servitor facts
warpstonewarlock: "Thank you for subscribing to servitor facts!"
accountmadeforants: Tech priests are apparently fueled by "ooh, neat!", which is pretty relatable tbh
ChrisGMiller: no that was the last part of his brain that remember cookies!
Spades_Slicc: Thank you for subscribing to servitor facts, did you know that each servitor is allowed to remember both what pain feels like and that they *should* be in pain? This is to remind them that what's happened to them is a blessing
JadedCynic: ???
maxim2165: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 2:34:01.
Diabore: game?
JadedCynic: do we have to scan him first?
JadedCynic: weird
j30000000: get him little buddy!!!
accountmadeforants: It put itself in a corner and then went "nobody puts baby in corner!"
grgriffin3: That was....Odd
grgriffin3: But hey, it worked out
creasehearst: might have been the bridge causing issues, sometimes they have a habit of mucking with line of sight
Dustmasc: is this game about hammers?
grgriffin3: Yes, 40,000 of them
AfroThoz: just needed some sacred oils
I_Am_Clockwork: I loooove the way this game designed the sound of the mechanicus machine cant
I_Am_Clockwork: Good bass
Several_Ducks: but what's your APM?
accountmadeforants: Oh wow, you can calculate your APM from here OpieOP
j30000000: I love the tension in this game between the count down and the quests it always has me feeling like I'm on a knifes edge
BloodnBullets: i'm guessing that includes each bugged attack click
Spades_Slicc: The Killing Jar? is this why Adam keeps finding dudes in jars?
El_Funko: I always try to fill out my APM by trash clicking all over the place for no reason
JadedCynic: @j30000000 yeah, the longer you take in each mission affects the whole 'campaign' :)
Rhynerd: Heck yeah, Vanguards!
j30000000: it does get to me a little though because i need to do everything and this game is like ok just play again
SkylerRingtail: How does this compare to Chaos Gate in terms of being XCOM-like?
j30000000: I do love that about the game I quit xcom because of my misses
I_Am_Clockwork: I think the cognition point system is very elegantly designed. Not perfect, but fitting of the subject
Feriority: I had to duck out early in character upgrading and just got back, how does mixing and matching the tech trees/ideologies work?
SkylerRingtail: How involved does the macro strategy (grand strategy?) in this get? So far it seems very basic compared to the XCOM-style research, construction, and resource management
I_Am_Clockwork: The noosphere is a great sci-fi trope
accountmadeforants: In the same way that the AM rarely does actual "research" :p
accountmadeforants: They "discover" technology, rather than "develop" it
I_Am_Clockwork: All of the research has been done or is being done by the mission givers
MrQBear: Redesigns the wheel?
I_Am_Clockwork: Techno archeologists
Cptasparagus: they just do lit searches :P
juneblue58: Innovation is even regarded as heretical.
BloodnBullets: if their knowledge was so good, where are they now?
juneblue58: Belisarius Caul?
ChrisGMiller: Belasurius
Prophetx05: Belisarius Cawl
BryteLytes: Cawl
I_Am_Clockwork: Belisarius cawl
noa2828: Maybe not everything but indoor plumbing was a strict upgrade
Prophetx05: Archmagos Dominus Belisarius Cawl, full title sounds awesome
Prophetx05: emperor also new about hover tanks
warpstonewarlock: He even has AI copy of himself
BryteLytes: "I found these designs behind the space shed...don't go looking"
juneblue58: Being given license to privately "innovate" by the most powerful individual in the imperium will do that.
Metric_Furlong: yeah the AM's approach is sort technological scholasticism, for want of a better term
MrQBear: "The emperor made these, do you doubt the emperor made these?"
noa2828: My favorite words to say as a direct threat "Don't worry about it"
ChrisGMiller: He woke up Big G
warpstonewarlock: Guilliman
juneblue58: Guilliman did after the Heresy, and it took 10 000 years to complete the work is what I believe the current lore says.
virgil82: Cawl was around before Big G was put in stasis.
warpstonewarlock: before he got wounded by Fulgrim
Prophetx05: Guilliman woke himup, but he'd alreayd been told to make primaris
I_Am_Clockwork: I thought the eldar woke up papa G
Sethalidos: I can't hear his name without thinking about his TTS version
virgil82: He also woke Gulliman up
juneblue58: Guilliman was just asleep for most of the work time.
TheElrad: Guilliman gave him the job and then got trapped in stasis for 10000 years
ChrisGMiller: i think is one of those, depends on which book you read
juneblue58: A lot of this is newer lore, as I understand it.
zeathean: The yinarri and Cawl woke up big G it was a group effort
Prophetx05: it was a bit of both, Cawl built his power armor life support, but the eldar had the defib to wake him up
juneblue58: I haven't really updated my lore knowledge since like 2009.
JonnyGlitched: Hello to my favorite Cameron! And also my favorite Chat! How are we?
Asrimal: I started listening to First and Only the other day,. it's sick so far.
ChrisGMiller: see, we're all correct
virgil82: I could drop Rise of the Primarch at the Moonbase sometime?
warpstonewarlock: There were books, but they were campaign books for 7th ed
accountmadeforants: The Emperor woke up Guilliman, don't worry about it :) ( MiniK )
TheElrad: it's in the gathering storm campaign books, no novels yet
juneblue58: Same time period as me. XD
Nydestroyer: Are there Warhammer scholars like there are for Tolkien?
JonnyGlitched: What did you call me?
BryteLytes: It's so weird as a Sigmar player. I've never so much as read a 40k lore snippet let alone a novel or a game. But being in the hobby for so long you just like...pick up a bunch of stuff offhand XD
Spades_Slicc: @Nydestroyer redditors
Kramburger: I thought Bad Scar was Jeremy Iron's character in the lion king
MrQBear: @Kramburger Which one was Good Scar?
Spades_Slicc: I thought a Bad Scar was what Ozai gave his son
Kramburger: @MrQBear James Earl Jones
j30000000: that does make it less rng and more preparation witch is nice
MrQBear: @Kramburger Fair enough.
Feriority: Shadowrun is the reason I own 36d6
j30000000: makes it feel like a more tactical approach
HecticReflex: iv never played war hammer but always wanted to what is the best to start with?
Zandivya: I'm a bit disappointed they haven't done anything with the Maledictum. The dark imperium is basically free from oversight and there's a lot of reason to break imperial tradition
Commodore_Perry_GG: is there a 40k race that tends to have the most dice to roll?
OldManJohnsonMB: Just starting playing the Arkham Horror card game with my partner, and the 'randomness' is a bag with tokens in it that you draw to influence the outcome. You know the odds but don't need a million charts and tables to make it work
Kramburger: The tacticus mobile game doesn't have jhit/miss and it's such a breath of fresh air
juneblue58: Thank you for the stream! This was great. :)
I_Am_Clockwork: Thanks for the stream!
shendaras: lrrHEART
Feriority: o/
Commodore_Perry_GG: amazonHello amazonHello amazonHello
Nydestroyer: secret extra stream? Kappa
Kramburger: Good, fuck youtube /s
SkipIives: lrrCREEPL lrrCREEPR
Max_Mckayful: For those who didn't catch the start, the beginning lecture of fascism was top-notch!
warpstonewarlock: Thanks for the stream, Cam!
goombalax: wait I just missed it, EFF
Invitare: oh that's the Desert Bus Molly Special
Diabore: its not raelly a cube, bbut wehould be
Juliamon: BRO BRO BRO
Robot_Bones: Bruh
They_Are_Alyx: BRO
goombalax: BRO
GhostValv: bro
Juliamon: !bro
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I_Am_Clockwork: Bro bro bro!
Angnor33: Bro
goombalax: having brothers is war
CaptainSpam: Bruh. A PPR, bruh.
Invitare: a brothers war *is* having brothers
Feriority: I have a brother and I was definitely jealous of friends who were only children
BlackIsis: Tough love.
Kramburger: A brother's war makes it sound so epic until you get stopped by your Mum because one of you put a hole in the wall
Spades_Slicc: Yeah that's how it be
BlindProphet32: That is not an innacurate description of brothers
Zu_o: I have 5 siblings. Life is pain.
Robot_Bones: Many a Brothers War as a child. Wrestling, Fist fights, Weed Killer sprayed places it shouldn't
OldManJohnsonMB: I have a Bro. He was an asshole when we were kids and used to beat the shit out of me. Now things are better. So I guess it's like the shared history of France and Germany
Gekyouryuu: can't relate, my siblings annoyed me
goombalax: @Zu_o 10 for me
Robot_Bones: good times
They_Are_Alyx: Yeah that's toxic masculinity for you
Juliamon: The name "Rockatoo" sounds extremely Ian
Kramburger: Marvel Snap AKA Disney Gwent
Zu_o: @goombalax I assume it was 11 but the youngest got eaten by the others?
Nydestroyer: Mug or hole
Kramburger: ooooooooh
Robot_Bones: omg shoes
Kramburger: Sorry, what's that brand of boots cam?
goombalax: still looking good for 12 years old
Nydestroyer: LUL
Juliamon: They are Fluevogs
Nydestroyer: Big True
Kramburger: ty juliamon
Spades_Slicc: What does Cam look like with facial hair?
GhostValv: true tho
Nydestroyer: Yea thats why I like my morning standups. Give me a reason to wake up in the morning LUL
goombalax: @Spades_Slicc you can extrapolate from the shadow
Nigouki: Thanks for the stream!
SkipIives: BloodTrail
Metric_Furlong: bye Cameron, thanks for the stream
Spades_Slicc: Thanks for the Stream
goombalax: since I just got here its time for the VOD lmao
LordZarano: !next
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Clench_Eastwood: !next
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TimIAm: !next
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LRRTwitter: @LRRMtG> Whoops! The audio-only version of TTC should be landing in your various podcast feeds shortly. | Apologies for the delay on that! | @LRRMtG> On this week’s TTC, @Graham_LRR and @UnarmedOracle take a first look at some preview cards from #MTGBRO, and @Kathleen_LRR provides a bunch of great lore information on just what’s happening in this “Brother’s War” 😄 | ⤵
Sethalidos: !next
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SpleenLord: !next
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