Metric_Furlong: yeah, I sort of got the impression dinomist was more of a go second playstyle
Metric_Furlong: which is not ideal, given pendulum decks tend to be tight on space for running board-breakers
: also, as much of the internet insists, Branded Despia doesn't negate things so obviously lacking negates can't be that big a weakness
: (things I've learned over the past few months is that if yugioh player calles a deck 'fair' what they mean is 'I play it' )
Earthenone: yeah, pretty much every "playable" deck has to be doing something unfair
Metric_Furlong: yeah, exactly
: if people were playing fair they'd be running Dual Avatar, and nobody is running Dual Avatar
: for example the mathmech boss xyz discards a random card from oponents hand, wich can randomly ruin their day
Earthenone: i could easily see someone calling it fair, "its not like i get to pick the card out"
: or just the runic defense: "hey, just imagine that got that got shunted away was at the bottom of your deck"
Metric_Furlong: *that card that got
Metric_Furlong: but yeah, I think I've got like 2~3 things on the List of Jank left now
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Rhythm Cafe (Heather and Ian continue their never-ending quest to play ALL THE RHYTHM GAMES! Game: Theatrhythm Final Bar Line) at Sun 04:00 PM PST (0s ago).
Metric_Furlong: maybe 4 if I want to add-in something to fill the 'synchro deck that doesn't revolve around having access to a specific link monster' category
Metric_Furlong: (i.e. Windwitch)
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Rhythm Cafe (Heather and Ian continue their never-ending quest to play ALL THE RHYTHM GAMES! Game: Theatrhythm Final Bar Line) at Sun 04:00 PM PST (35s ago).
: swordsoul dosent need any silly link monsters
thavleifrim: hope this game is good im on the fence about getting it
: @Earthenone yeah, but it's boring
Thatwasademo: the at rhythm?
Thatwasademo: @@@@ @@ @@@
serramarkov: Is there sound?
Thatwasademo: no sound yet
GapFiller: this stream doesnt typically do intro music
Earthenone: its nice of the cafe to play some FF to make up for G missing a couple streams for con stuff this week
GapFiller: except when it does
mtvcdm: Screen says music should be playing, it presently is not.
Metric_Furlong: Earthenone plus, technically, Psy-Frame doesn't *need* Lamda, it just benefits a lot from being able to get her on the field
CAKHost: Hi everyone!
serramarkov: I don't normally get to see the intro.
Metric_Furlong: (yes, I'm one of the 4 people who play Psy-Frame)
kusinohki: starts humming houston to self...
paronomasiac042: aw, yiss, final fantasy rhythm time
mtvcdm: Granted, they might just... have that muted until just before and then it's a game of chicken to see who presses the button when
CrashTestGremlin: The song currently playing is Houston: Big Giant Circles. Isn't it lovely? Quite understated, very chill.
: Jimmy Hinson AKA "BigGiantCircles" makes chiptunes, which are featured during commercial breaks. His music, including LRR remixes and the soundtrack for Road Quest, is available here: https://biggiantcircles.bandcamp.com/music
Metric_Furlong: (plz konami unlimit Gamma, etc.)
mtvcdm: I bet on James pressing the button. It's low odds but think of the return if I win!
TheDailyMapleSyrup: I’m not hearing anything
CrashTestGremlin: This song is a triumph of minimilist composing
CAKHost: Not hearing anything either.
angeldrift_111: Me neither
kusinohki: I'm hearing the upstairs neighbor child stomp around and apparently run into every wall...
adept_nekomancer: Maybe the real music was the friends we made along the way.
blamemyphone: oh good not just me then
Bruceski: Never thought they'd make a rhythm game about Last Call.
CrashTestGremlin: It's not about the notes that are played, but the ones that aren't
GapFiller: kusinohki champagne please waiter...
mtvcdm: It's a very long hold note
angeldrift_111: 7 ads is crazy
CAKHost: Funny enough the last music I was listening to was an orchestral version of Chrono Trigger's soundtrack.
blamemyphone: i got 5 ads
kusinohki: @gapfiller ????
BrowneePoints: ad free viewing
BrowneePoints: if only there was something that could enable that...
CrashTestGremlin: I want this game, but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it will be part of PS+ soon, so I'll wait
CAKHost: I can hear the intro!
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blamemyphone: uh still nothing for me
CAKHost: Make sure the stream isn't muted?
CururuGuasu: Theatrythm Cafe
GapFiller: stream isnt muted but kinda quiet
Earthenone: quite tall or quite gay
TheMerricat: oh! Ian is using the 'fixed' headphones
blamemyphone: refresh needed, good after refresh
CAKHost: The Horner Brand Headphones
CrashTestGremlin: The real treaure was the coworkers we made along the way
chaostreader: Is Jacob a coworker?
CAKHost: I kinda feel that Ian should have used green wires for the headphones so they get keyed out but that might be tricky due to electricity
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RareKamex: Ian, are your headphones peeling?
kusinohki: well, you can't have magical girl without magic!
CAKHost: (As in making sure you are connecting the right wires to the right places)
RareKamex: most of those are words
Thatwasademo: final bar line, like :|| ?
aitsu100: ok this is on the switch cool
CrashTestGremlin: I just tried the demo on Playstation, it's pretty fun
kusinohki: heather's here for one thing and it's ....
DiscordianTokkan: We're here for, specifically, A Long Fall (Band Version) from Final Fantasy XIV. Well, I am, for the CHANCE of it
aitsu100: i might be getting it then
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Datnade012: building a RG Char Zaku, this is great background noise, thanks y'all
azninsect: oooh FF rhythm game
CAKHost: This is the Final of the Final Fantasy musics? (At least until the next one maybe)
mtvcdm: So... Final Fantasy Funko Pop
CrashTestGremlin: this game also has chrono trigger, nier automate, and many other non FF games
CAKHost: So if Rhythm Cafe was a person, they would be a lemming?
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wabajck: I bought the physical copy and will get all the DLC later
mtvcdm: Rhythm Cafe is a platypus. It's amazing and makes no sense
DiscordianTokkan: ThisRULES already
azninsect: ill have to get the DLC later. but this game has been real good so far
talosparoxi: @CrashTestGremlin not yet, that dlc comes out in march
thavleifrim: i like this intro
CAKHost: Doot that classic FF theme!
CururuGuasu: Tyro? There’s a deep cut
CrashTestGremlin: I just platinumed KH melody of memory, so jumping straight into this is appropriate, a lot of similar mechanics
NarwhalsInATrenchcoat: This game knows what it wants to be and I'm loving it
talosparoxi: and this game is super freaking hard
aitsu100: Gundam rythm game
Thatwasademo: they already did it for Kingdom Hearts
Metric_Furlong: 500: it's more than 400
mtvcdm: So this is like the rhythm Smash Bros of Final Fantasy basically
JohnLockeCole: I mean they *do* hold back on content, I would like about 30 more songs from FFVI alone
Thatwasademo: in fact I think Melody of Memory was the first Theatrhythm game for the Switch?
CAKHost: Settings Base
CrashTestGremlin: a lot of same mechanics though
Thatwasademo: let's be honest it's a Theatrhythm game
Ignatiuspants: huh... this menu music is like the menu music from a Tetris 99 Christmas special
Thatwasademo: the UI is exactly the same
Phlip45: the settings showed streaming rules
mtvcdm: Oh, did we flip on the streaming view?
Metric_Furlong: windmill slam 9
CrashTestGremlin: The Demo on Playstation will carry over any progress you make to the full version, if anyone wants to try it
DiscordianTokkan: Eyyy, FFXIV is unlockable to start, that rules
talosparoxi: I went with 14 to start
aitsu100: ooooo they got Dissgia
CururuGuasu: Mobius FF? Another deep cut
Feriority: @DiscordianTokkan They know their audience
: That guy is actually named Guy
RareKamex: oh you can't use d-pad? weird
Thatwasademo: d-pad counts as face buttons
jessicaengle: o/ hello
Thatwasademo: also the sliders probably come in more than 4 directions
talosparoxi: you need to slide in all eight directions
azninsect: slides are in all 8 directions, and any combination of 2
Thatwasademo: i wonder if this game supports undocked touch controls
neogetz: I love that the 2 direction arrow beats don't care which stick does which direction
Bruceski: The sliders show more than 4 but they follow street fighter rules where down/right can be triggered by down or right.
SquareDotCube: This is all characters from Final Fantasy 2 (J)
LRRbot: If you came here hoping for there to be a point to this, I have bad news for you.
: I'm more than willing to massively over-explain any FF14 references
DaxStrife: It's a weird experience to hear the "battle victory" theme at the *start* of a battle.
LRRbot: Fran, like all viera, is intended to have an Icelandic accent. "Marquis" has two different pronunciations, the one used in the game is valid.
aitsu100: where is Jacob when we need them
jessicaengle: !findquote knowledge
LRRbot: Quote #8275: "The slippery snake of knowledge is coming for you." —Heather [2022-10-09]
beowuuf: all the knowledge you need
: i feel there will be people here who would be happy to overexplain FF14
SaxPython: I came here for the House Of Lies edition of FF lore
Travilogue: Thank you beowuuf
talosparoxi: don't worry the only thing you need to know about final fantasy to enjoy this game is "This song is RAD"
SkylerRingtail: Wait...this is a Final Fantasy universe game? (Just tuning in)
CAKHost: So despite their being 4 rows, you can hit any button to get the beat? Except if you need to hit 2 any buttons when it gives you 2 at once?
Feriority: What do the specific rows mean, if any button works for all of them? I thought it might be party members but it didn't seem to match up
DiscordianTokkan: Oooh, sneaky
azninsect: yeah these are sneaky
azninsect: yeah holding the general direction is fine
GDwarble: @CAKHost Yup, the rows indicate which character in the party will get hit if you mess up, and nothing else
talosparoxi: yeah just hold it in the direction
CAKHost: @CAKHost Ahh
talosparoxi: you can't overshoot those
KeytarCat: I've played 3-10, so if you need FF stuff, I've probably known it at some point!
CrashTestGremlin: yeah, it kinda matches the speed and locks on, as long as you move in the same direction
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GDwarble: You can just hold, because it won't let you over-move the reticule
SquareDotCube: But what if you did...
Diabore: and now the game truly begins
CAKHost: Thou must toot before thou can doot
DiscordianTokkan: Oh, it has the actual Midi version for the old ones? this RULES.
CrashTestGremlin: pfft, options, must play all songs
GDwarble: @DiscordianTokkan Original tracks for all of them, so far as I'm aware
KeytarCat: FF is known for weird rhythms and time, so this is a really hard game to sight read
talosparoxi: unless it's specified as a remix yes
Diabore: would you be better on the other side?
Diabore: seems theres a bar behind you
Xafty: it took me a bit to internalize that <> and >< are possible to do the exact same way
neogetz: yeah shouldn't be any UI on the other side
: @Xafty favorite tidbit about this game
GDwarble: @Xafty Yeah, it has to be there either as just a suggestion or specifically to mess with you, I'm not sure which
neogetz: @xafty I'm so glad of it
CAKHost: I feel there must be a point when you need to push/hold 3 or 4 buttons...
talosparoxi: don't worry chat, the health bar isn't super important to watch
Thatwasademo: the moves can heal you or make you get more loot
Mr_Horrible: oh wow, this is way more data than I realized was available
talosparoxi: the timing chart is SUPER helpful addition
Thatwasademo: most of them do the latter in one way or another
Thatwasademo: (more damage? that just means more loot)
CAKHost: I can't help but read the last character's job as Desert Guy
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible Just wait
Xafty: ill say, this might be tied as my favorite rhythm game, with Kingdom Hearts: Melody of Memory being the other
Thatwasademo: bottom left of the screen, horner
SaxPython: press B to ack
Thatwasademo: I presume you read the Streaming Rules off camera?
Mr_Horrible: oh is this just the demo at the moment?
talosparoxi: streaming rules are just, play and interact with chat
talosparoxi: no jukebox streams
DiscordianTokkan: @Mr_Horrible Full release
Thatwasademo: ah, makes sense
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible No, but here's some more info for you
Xafty: the demo just limits how many tracks you can get through in a quest
JohnLockeCole: It will have information for us
azninsect: oh neat
KeytarCat: Oh, I like this
CAKHost: Screamer, sometimes.
JohnLockeCole: that you won't look at while playing
neogetz: oh nice!
Earthenone: so no need for handcam!
Mr_Horrible: @DiscordianTokkan I was curious since some of the titles are greyed out, like in the demo they released earlier
Thatwasademo: might want to move the facecam out of the way of the judgement totals
mtvcdm: It does know what color your Switch controllers are.
Werdnae: I think I saw someone say that there's about a dozen songs that are liable to be caught by content ID. none are in the main sequences, you'd have to go looking for them
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible Ah, you unlock titles as you go, even in the full game
DiscordianTokkan: @Mr_Horrible Ah! Yeah, they have it set so you have to Unlock additional titles by playing
: ah, okay, so I probably saw everything because I imported my demo data
Xafty: you need keys to unlock different games, and also some of them require fully completing a title(or more)
blamemyphone: wow ian, such venom
Metalupis: love you too Ian
CAKHost: Stop asking me which button to press! XD
thavleifrim: so we arent getting a hand cam for rhythm cafe any time soon?
CrashTestGremlin: backstreet back alright
Thatwasademo: Ian accidentally said "backstreet" instead of "backseat" and it's the best thing I've ever heard
talosparoxi: it's pretty hard to backseat a rythm game
azninsect: backstreets gaming is back? oh no
Feriority: What's wrong with taking the backstreets?
Mr_Horrible: backstreet's back! Fuck off!
SaxPython: Bye Bye Bye (Bye-bye)
Thatwasademo: and of course Heather catches it as I type that
aitsu100: NBA backstreet gaming
talosparoxi: "press now" "not then, now"
serramarkov: Ian, I'm bad at games, seeing _how_ they're played helps me!
Mr_Horrible: "You should be using triggers for button inputs, Streamer" I say as the earth righteously swallows me
neogetz: you can turn off it showing button inputs and keep the other info
TehAmelie: oh hi pals
CAKHost: Brain chill mode
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neogetz: I use triggers mostly because my brain gets confused if I have to move from button to analogue stick
TehAmelie: are we performing the theatrhythms?
neogetz: I love that there's no "right" way to play
JDogg2K4: Ahh, the castle
Mr_Horrible: neogetz I've started using them since they're what I used for doubles, and swapping between them and A was getting me tongue-tied
KeytarCat: @neogetz In the demo, I've been using A and a shoulder so I squeeze the controller for doubles
azninsect: i havent played any of the II music yet. game good though
mtvcdm: I love when games go out of their way to make it that there's no 'right' way to play.... not that some people won't try to impose one themselves.
CAKHost: The classic FF enemy, Teeth Worlm
LurkerSpine: paired mode seems kinda rad
Mr_Horrible: Sandworm -> Landworm -> Bandworm?
SaxPython: Orthworm next?
TehAmelie: and the ultimate form, Standworm
NarwhalsInATrenchcoat: @Mr_Horrible Blandworm
control_rig: Oh no Bad Breath
talosparoxi: the side bar dooesn't show ians input for some reason
Pazy160: This is very pretty music. I wasn't expecting them to include non-orchestral versions but I love that they did.
CAKHost: I hate it when I get purple clouds in my eyes...
TehAmelie: the victory music got me xD
talosparoxi: makes sense
JDogg2K4: Saw the youtube videos and didn't realize the sidebar was something built into the game.
LurkerSpine: speedrunners have those things all the time, it's neat as heck
Mr_Horrible: I had no idea, yeah, thanks for pointing that out, Heather!
LRRbot: Please refrain from backseat gaming unless the streamer asks for help. The streamer wants to play the game the way they want. Feel free to discuss tactics in chat or with the mods.
mtvcdm: LRRBot that was not what I asked you
DiscordianTokkan: Original Flavour Moogle
mtvcdm: Fine. Have a box.
LRRbot: In the box is: 25 pounds of quickly rotting fruit
Mr_Horrible: I wonder if that command is supposed to be in response to "you missed a chest" kinda messages
DiscordianTokkan: Hell Yea FFV
talosparoxi: 5 is a real classic
GDwarble: Ooh, we've unlocked Butz
Asimech: @mtvcdm I was wondering why "chest" got a thing about backseating. Like, somebody going "there's a nice chest to the left" or something?
lady_olynder: after trying the demo, i intend to get this game
: Big Bridge lesgooo
DiscordianTokkan: Hold onto your Butz
GDwarble: 5 only got a US release a few years ago
DiscordianTokkan: V wasn't really released in America for a LONG time
azninsect: eyyy Butz
talosparoxi: we never got this one originally
aitsu100: 4 was 2 in the US
adept_nekomancer: FFV was my first final fantasy game. Big nostalgia here.
Juliamon: Maybe from people harassing G about the Zodiac Spear (which was changed for the version he's playing)
GDwarble: The renumbered ones were 4, which became 2, and 6 which became 3.
talosparoxi: it's first international release was on the gba
lady_olynder: us now has all with appropriate numbers
Asimech: They're halved. 4->2, 6->3.
KeytarCat: NA got 1, 4, 6, then on
lady_olynder: i think
GDwarble: 2, 3, and 5 only got English releases much later
paronomasiac042: 1 is 1, 2 is 4, 3 is 6, the rest are fine
Metric_Furlong: 4 was 2 in NA, 6 was 3 in NA, actual 2,3 and 5 didn't really get a release until much later
uchihab7: would final fantasy 1 in america be final fantasy -2? cause 1-3
Mr_Horrible: 1 is also, like, *the* most straightforward form of RPG
Mr_Horrible: hit enemy, number go up
Asimech: @uchihab7 Final Fantasy ½.
GDwarble: FF1 barely has a plot
: What's really confusing is the MMO is 11 in JP but 14 in the US
talosparoxi: oh man, the nostalgia
AerinRavage: We had a catalog store too - loved shopping there as a kid. they had stuff on the floor but only for display. The things you actually bought came from the warehouse
Dog_of_Myth: Good evening chat
Lysander_salamander: Is this a Final Fantasy spin-off?
KeytarCat: The remasters are less grindy, but look worse to me. I prefer the randomizer tools for ease of use
Asimech: @Feriority Thanks, I hate that.
Ignatiuspants: what do you need to do to unlock Final Fantasys 4 and 6? (the only games in the series I like)
Mr_Horrible: GDwarble it *does* have the kinda interesting twist of what Chaos is at the very end, but for the most part it's "evil is happening, you should probably take care of it"
: So I'm hearing that Ian only like JRPGs with hotspring scenes
BrowneePoints: I think you'd enjoy FF9 Ian
TehAmelie: i think FF1 was about the first attempt to turn p&p rpgs into a computer game. developing your character then came to mean making their numbers go up and we never looked back
GDwarble: @TehAmelie I think Dragon Quest was first, but yeah, FF1 was pretty early
betweenmyself: Gotta say, not really digging the visual design choices for the characters here, but if the game is otherwise enjoyable that’s what really matters.
JohnLockeCole: @TehAmelie Oh there were a *LOT* of pre NES games that tried that
neogetz: the visual design is how theatrhythm teaches all games
Metric_Furlong: people bathed in medieval europe, though
Ignatiuspants: there were definitely video games based on tabletop RPGs before FF, but I think FF might have been the first one that gave you a party
Metric_Furlong: and washed
BrowneePoints: DQ 1 was May 1986, FF1 was December 1987
Pazy160: FF1 is a real cool game. I was surprised at how open it was, it was quite willing to let me explore and get lost. I loved it for that.
Lysander_salamander: There's so much wrong with the worldbuilding of fallout
Feriority: Wizardry was '81
GDwarble: He has a very famous bathtub
DiscordianTokkan: There's bathhouses in Fallout 2, I remember that much
Mr_Horrible: People are very thrilled he has a bathtub
BrowneePoints: oh wait
BrowneePoints: that means Xenoblade would be exactly Ian's Jam XD
KeytarCat: Oh, Ian doesn't like white supremacy, I get it!
lady_olynder: so Elden Ring is ok since soap is an actual item in game with actual mechanics?
mtvcdm: You can never carry too many swords
GDwarble: Xenoblade Chronicles 3 does have baths, and is significantly less skeevy about them than Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which is nice
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adept_nekomancer: Dwarf Fortress would be ideal then -- you can literally build a fort entirely out of soap.
Earthenone: i wonder how many yakuza's until elden ring is playable in their arcade
mtvcdm: Anyone who thinks you can carry too many swords should talk to Ol' Bobby Seventeen-Swords
: no no, the Burger King is canonical
Feriority: No, whopper wednesday was real
Ignatiuspants: Nethack might have been the first video RPG where you can at least rinse things out in a sink
: The burger king helmet is a very prominent part of the base game, just...not where they encountered it
boristhewizard: The mods let you have it your way
AkiraBalance27: oh yes, elden ring is very much dark souls: burger king edition
BrowneePoints: Yea the Mage College have Masks that look a lot like the BK guy
GDwarble: Souls games do love themselves their cosmic horror
TehAmelie: now someone's gonna draw a diagram of how to fit 17 swords in the smallest square
DaxStrife: Hippo Potamus Lovecraft.
Lysander_salamander: david webber?
: so, what we're saying here is that Ian's ideal JRPG is Shadow Hearts?
betweenmyself: Think the mods they used mainly randomized enemy/item placement and streamlined multiplayer, no?
Juliamon: He's long dead
talosparoxi: but, he started cosmic horror
Mr_Horrible: yes, he is quite deceased
aitsu100: yes he has passed
GDwarble: Lovecraft is, thankfully, very dead
n3ther: thats a little morbid lol
Invitare: so dead all his work is public domain
LurkerSpine: I don't know if that's true?
SaggyJello89: I mean Lovecraft is 50/50 on unknowable horrors from space and just weird fish. 100% on the racism tho
BrowneePoints: he is very dead and the people who came after him have done an amazing job reclaiming his works and genre and changing it
omdorastrix: That is NOT what "Death of the Author" means?
talosparoxi: Ian that's true of everything other than maybe web devs
Bruceski: Death of the Author isn't a theory of literary analysis, it's a threat.
JohnLockeCole: That may not be true Ian
LurkerSpine: there's a lot of web fiction nowadays
Lysander_salamander: no, that's not what death of the author means
Metric_Furlong: Lovecraft's been dead for almost 90 years, iirc
Invitare: also Heather, you're plenty familiar with the cosmic horror genre. You played Kirby and the Forgotten Land
mowdownjoe: Ian, we already are working on the assumption that you hate white supremacy. You don't need to voice your hatred of Lovecraft.
FrostyKaze: @Metric_Furlong Oh Shadow Hearts is awesome
GDwarble: @LurkerSpine There's certainly more people dead than alive, by about 9:1, but authors specifically is trickier
TehAmelie: um i can barely hear you two over the game when it goes hard
Metric_Furlong: @Metric_Furlong I agree. Shadow Hearts is still probably my gold standard for ps2 era JRPGs
LurkerSpine: @GDwarble yeah that's what I mean specifically. SO much "publishing" nowadays
KeytarCat: Well, E.B. White only gives you initials so I did that too
aitsu100: Yay mambo
GDwarble: Mambo de Chocobo!
Metric_Furlong: specifically Shadow Hearts 2
mtvcdm: If the book has the author name in massive font on the front I assume it's in a $5 bargain bin
adept_nekomancer: Just a friendly little robed guy with a knife.
Diabore: uh oh, tonberry gonna stab stab
: Game is making me nervous telling me my “rhythmia” is at 750
TheNerdWonder: and then he STABS you
GDwarble: @mtvcdm Or was written by Pratchett, who hated that but had it happen anyway
BrowneePoints: So in FF14 they had a fan weapon design contest, and one of the runner ups for the Scythe, one was a giant knife with a bunch of Tonberry on it
Mr_Horrible: good only when they're are bullying Sidurgu
Mr_Horrible: *they are
GDwarble: Ivalician Moogles are great, other Moogles are iffier
CAKHost: If it's a bird, Ian approves.
TehAmelie: you can talk about the two legged horses of Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind instead
Metric_Furlong: or, you know, it was back when I still had a ps2
Metric_Furlong: which was *cough cough* years ago
BrowneePoints: Yep! Mail moogle!
GDwarble: In Final Fantasy 14 you can take over from the mail moogle and deliver some of their letters for a bit
thavleifrim: im not sure the post moogles get paid
Ignatiuspants: I think it's privately owned by moogles
SaggyJello89: i think it's private
lady_olynder: private presumably since it is how we get the cash shop items
GDwarble: I *think* Mog Mail is private
adept_nekomancer: Moogles kind of exist outside of the usual governmental structures, I think?
Invitare: Zelda's Rito are the best postal service in gaming
CAKHost: Wait where is the chocobo?!
adept_nekomancer: It would be like, "is a delivery service literally staffed by bears public or private." Neither, I think?
Mr_Horrible: it would not surprise me if XIV's mail-moogles are a private enterprise they partake in out of boredom
: If moogle mail *is* a public service then your tax dollars are being horribly misspent
Metric_Furlong: Mog Mail can be a worker own co-operative if you want
SaggyJello89: I wish/ pretty sure the moogles are capitalists
BrowneePoints: oooo was that a Shiva!?
mtvcdm: They're Kupotalists
Travilogue: We gots a summon now
BrowneePoints: IT IS SHIVA
lady_olynder: the moogles are certainly violent, Kupo
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Feriority: The Gridanian government is involved in their management I'm pretty sure, but I don't know if it's publicly owned or if they just stepped up because Moogles can't organize
TryingCasuallyGames: hey everyome
Mr_Horrible: howdy raiders
KeytarCat: Just like a JRPG! I could win if I could survive the desperation move!
Asimech: @lady_olynder That made go "the proletariat shall rise, Kupo."
boristhewizard: Practice has the street fighter grid as the background, so you know it's hardcore
KeytarCat: I have a few games I replay every year or so
Mr_Horrible: likewise, I have a few I replay every so often
CAKHost: Thanks for the stream! Good night everyone.
KeytarCat: Ian should look at speedrun practice tools, that's exactly what they do. I don't know if they exist for his games, but that's a specific thing to look for
aitsu100: thats 13
LurkerSpine: Hmm, I wonder if there's a speedrun of Tokyo Xtreme Racer: Zero
BrowneePoints: No love for FF14 Q.Q
GDwarble: You are right for both 8 and 13
talosparoxi: true on both counts
Mr_Horrible: 13 has some good music tho
TheNerdWonder: a good practice mode for racing games would jitter the starting point too so you get to practice a variety of lines through the curve
lady_olynder: insulting things on the internet? a bold choice
: it is true that no one likes 13
GazzyInferno: they both have gunswords....
Mr_Horrible: well, they *all* have some good music
LurkerSpine: FF8 is my favorite
JDogg2K4: 8 also has some good music
DiscordianTokkan: Ah, the Lightning Ex-Girlfriend, as is tradition
: What you want is 8, Ian.
Boopity: I don't play FF and even I know that fans *hate* FF13
BusTed: I do remember liking the music of XIII.
: 13 is...disliked a lot
Lambent_Mongoose: funly enough both 8 and 13 have gun swords
DaxStrife: Heather, it doesn't matter if you meant 8 or 13, you're right on both.
azninsect: i like the music from 6, 7, 8, and 9
aitsu100: 13 for me is the weakest FF game
DiscordianTokkan: 15 is chock full of Bangers
GDwarble: 13 is interesting, it has a *lot* of really neat ideas, but I do think the execution was...not great
psychopez: 13 is flawed but has potential. 13-2 is amazing, and 13-3 is a steaming pile
CururuGuasu: 13-2 was good, though
Mr_Horrible: honestly at this point there's probably a schism between the community for whether 13 or 15 is the worst
talosparoxi: you have to be careful about games people say :starts getting good about 40 hours in"
aitsu100: 13 is one of the ones that plays itself
BrowneePoints: yea the music in FF14 is absolutely fantastic
BrowneePoints: 9 is Catboy and Vivi
GDwarble: 9 is a *very* good game
BrowneePoints: 9 IS AMAZING
Mr_Horrible: 9 was everyone's bisexual awakening
: 9 is probably the best of the 3D FF games, outside of 14
embra_ashling: yeah. a lot of systems introduced in 13 went on to be a lot more fun in later games, but still fine imo
SquareDotCube: 1, 3, 4, and 5 deal with crystals a lot.
baskwalla: 10 was awkward laugh
azninsect: 9 had Vivi and thats all that matters
Boopity: Also idols???
LurkerSpine: X-3 is hopefully going to be in dev soon
GDwarble: 11 is its own thing, but it is an MMO
gualdhar: 11 was online
Mr_Horrible: 11 is its own thing, but inspired a lot of base 14
BrowneePoints: 11 was the mmo
baskwalla: 11 was the MMO
DiscordianTokkan: 11 and 14 were the mmos
DaxStrife: 11 was online
azninsect: 11 was the MMO
aitsu100: 12 is coding for jpg nerds
CrashTestGremlin: 12 is star wars
LurkerSpine: 12 is what Graham is playing now
BrowneePoints: 12 is the one Graham is playing that people joke is "Star wars"
GDwarble: 12 is the one where you do programming
EvilBadman: 12 is what Gvs playing right now
talosparoxi: @LurkerSpine keep dreaming man
azninsect: 12 was like...if you like coding youd like 12
Mr_Horrible: 11 was the one where you needed to know scripting languages to level up
SquareDotCube: So, 6 is a good starting place because if you don't like ATB you can just change it over to turn-based.
betweenmyself: Oddly the sequel to Final Fantasy: Water Sports was Final Fantasy: Charlie’s Angels
KeytarCat: X got a sequel because folks liked the world, so Square explored Magical girls and Idols as other elements of Japanese culture on the archipelago
PMAvers: 11 was the pack-in game for the PS2 hard drive.
talosparoxi: X-2 was actually pretty fun but yeah weirdly sexual at times
GDwarble: X-2 could've been fun, but it doesn't quite work
TheNerdWonder: you sure that wasn't Paper Mario?
Mr_Horrible: hot take, regardless of the shit (deserved or not) that X-2 gets, the dressspheres were an excellent job system
Boopity: Is game audio a bit loud for anyone else?
psychopez: @Mr_Horrible agreed
GDwarble: I love the idea of dresspheres, I didn't like most of the dressphere designs, alas
wabajck: X-2 is great if you forget X exists
JDogg2K4: I wish they would use dress spheres is a game with a better story. Reskined or not, the main concept of it
CururuGuasu: X-2 had one of the best battle systems in the series
MolaMolaphant: mechanically, very interesting! as implemented: kinda sexist?
Texan_Reverend: If game audio could come down just a but, it would be much easier to actually hear y'all talking.
aitsu100: X-2 is great aside from Brother
Texan_Reverend: just a bit*
GDwarble: X and X-2 are *extremely* linear, yeah, they don't let you backtrack, it's very frustrating
betweenmyself: Yeah, Ian/Heather commentary drowned out a tad by game audio
DiscordianTokkan: EXTREMELY Fair
talosparoxi: I've been there
Texan_Reverend: Thank you, Heather.
LordZarano: "Frequency illusion, also known as the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon or frequency bias, is a cognitive bias in which, after noticing something for the first time, there is a tendency to notice it more often, leading someone to believe that it has an increased frequency of occurrence. It occurs when increased awareness of something creates the illusion that it is appearing more often."
Xafty: @GDwarble x-2 doesnt let you backtrack. X you can go back to the very start at almost any time, its just a long as walk
aitsu100: to be fair FF Tactics does like to save lock you to a boss fight so you must stagger save
Mr_Horrible: @GDwarble it has always struck me as odd that 13 gets guff for being "too linear" when X doesn't really let you go back to areas until close to the end of the game
lady_olynder: but is heather's backlog bigger than beej's backlog?
DiamondMX: Pretty sure that happened to me in FF7.
BrowneePoints: but seriously ff9 is definitely worth playing Ian
JDogg2K4: @aitsu100 Yeah, putting that boss in the middle of a spot you can't go back and grind is rough
KeytarCat: I hold that FF story has never been great, but hasn't needed to be. XIV excluded, notably
SkylerRingtail: *Far away stare* Ah yes...the 1 vs 1 surprise
BrowneePoints: probably the best overall in the series not counting 14 if you play the whole 600hr story
: I love RPGs and they've hurt me so much
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible I feel like the "it's too linear" complaints never really made sense, every FF game is *extremely* linear, their open worlds are 100% illusion and you can never really do stuff out-of-order
Xafty: @Mr_Horrible you mean when you get the airship right? yeah, you can go back before that, its just... walking the whole way, which is generally not worth it
EvilBadman: except for Yakuza Like a Dragon
talosparoxi: but you did find out you like fire emblem, so there is that
Mr_Horrible: I hear tell that there is a version of Tactics somewhere that lets me get around the main problem I have with it (main character *must* be in party, enemies are scaled to highest level), but I haven't encountered it yet
SquareDotCube: The ones I'd recommend starting with (they all have their differences in battle system) is either with 4, 6, 7, 9, or 10.
Boopity: @GDwarble I suppose in that case it's more so the fact that they *feel* more linear and restrictive that's the issue
SquareDotCube: 10 and 12 probably has the most satisfying levelup systems with
betweenmyself: The Tactics Advance games are generally quite good, but the Judge system kinda bums me out in that it is overused
neogetz: I think xiii feels more linear due to the level design. the others just mask it better
aitsu100: Yakuza is a mini game medley with a story bonus
Mr_Horrible: @Mr_Horrible especially considering that that form of backtracking is itself incomplete (for instance, you can't go back to Besaid or Kilika iirc), in addition to a pain in the ass, I don't know if I'd really consider that an option endorsed by the game
DiscordianTokkan: I REALLY wish Square would do a re-release of The Bouncer. Good brawler, that
KeytarCat: @Mr_Horrible I thought 13 was specifically "hallway simulator", walking in a straight line from battle to battle, without the town and dungeon exploration some of the others had. Not that it was linear, but that it was boring
Boopity: Like a Dragon was a delight, but I sure hope they add more to the combat in the next one as it was very basic in its current state
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible X and X-2 both also do that and no one cared
aitsu100: fun and chaos
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible And just generally FF games are linear, it's baked into them from the start, I think people just didn't like 13 and had a hard time articulating why
Mr_Horrible: @Mr_Horrible that might be what drove it, I never really got far in 13. It may just be that others dressed up the linearity more palatably
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Xafty: @Mr_Horrible so i have a reasonable explination for that difference in feeling: 13 has the issue of jumping between groups of characters constantly, and not having much between the jumps. X and X-2 dont do that, even if the progression is fuilly lineier
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Asimech: "I'm here to have fun" is the general vibe I get from group streams by LRR, no matter how supposedly competitive the game is.
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DiamondMX: This is an LRR stream, there will be no learning here.
Mr_Horrible: @Mr_Horrible ah, y'know that probably contributes a lot to it, since that disconnection would call more attention to a lack of player agency
SkylerRingtail: LRR has spoiled me for streamers - no other channel I've seen compares
talosparoxi: @Mr_Horrible also the characters don't really have a goal beyond "not turning into monsters... somehow" for about 60 hours
Xafty: @Mr_Horrible yep, its the first thing i noticed when i first played 13, after hearing about how linier it felt
JDogg2K4: LLR is definitely top tier.
mtvcdm: Good loop
: I get different stuff outta different streams I watch, but LRR has definitely set a gold standard for their community, so I can't really deal with streams that just let people be crummy around them
TehAmelie: i always liked an overworld map. taking that out is like if you cut the walking scenes out of the Lord of the Rings movies
JDogg2K4: Even better if I can spell it right <.<
Earthenone: i watch one non lrr stream, and thats because it has a niche interest that i have that lrr dosent share (limited play in yugioh)
DiamondMX: @Mr_Horrible For me, the issue with FF13 was the combat system. It felt very much like an idle game in how few choices you made. I'm told it gets better after...20-40 hours.
mtvcdm: LRR and Greater LRR Metro Area absolutely takes up the bulk of my Twitch times.
Earthenone: my term for it is "BC extended universe" @mtvcdm
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible I don't know that the combat gets better, my understanding is that enemy trickiness goes up so that you need to plan ahead more and pay more attention to what you're doing when
Boopity: @Mr_Horrible Pretty much. The audience that LRR has created and thanks to all the mods, LRR streams have generally very friendly and professional vibes that are upsettingly rare in a lot of twitch streams
azninsect: i think i only watch a couple of non-LRR streams and the distinct difference in communities and how they are moderated is...eye opening. I like it here.
: This 10 second loop sure is a place to keep for the break
DiamondMX: @Mr_Horrible I believe after a certain amount of time you get to do combos and stuff. The first section of the game literally has an autoattack button and that's what you pretty almost all the time.
DiamondMX: Yeah, this 10 second loop is not great.
Juliamon: It is curious that they'd put so much work into this game, but not bother to make good song preview loops
KeytarCat: Moogle shop!
DiamondMX: Thanks to whoever pressed a button!
Juliamon: Oh no
Juliamon: this isn't better
DiamondMX: A new loop has begun
azninsect: new loop
DiamondMX: I can tolerate this for at least a few more loops.
3and4fifths: Glad to have com in during a commercial break, cause oof seven 30min ads...
Mr_Horrible: Juliamon I'd wager the cutting was just intended to be representative but small, since they figured people wouldn't be holding on them while paying attention
: which doesn't necessarily translate to *this* circumstance, but, well...
ahyesindeedsir: This sounds a little like “meet the flintstones” lol
aitsu100: the at rhythm
OnyxOblivion: @Mr_Horrible chapter 3 is when it picks up, the game is mostly about swapping paradigms and before you can do that, the most you do is attack or potion. you will always be selecting auto-battle but the battles dont actually play themselves, you need to be pretty tactical for many of the bosses
: Just cracked open a container of ‘cookie cobblestone’ icecream and it clearly thawed and refroze at some point before I purchased it
DiamondMX: Gitarooman was multiplayer.
TehAmelie: i have so far not spelled "theatrhythm" without triple checking it
DiamondMX: If Ian wasn't a heathen and disliked it.
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talosparoxi: deffo jules vern
Juliamon: "Theatrhythm" absolutely reads as "someone ESL trying to make a language pun without doing any research"
GDwarble: I think it's actually...I want to say Francis Bacon?
BrowneePoints: both are correct yea
SquareDotCube: See, my guess it goes back to sketches from Leonardo DIVinci
DaxStrife: A derivative derigible?
DiamondMX: @GDwarble Is that because it's correct or does it just have good mouthfeel?
BrowneePoints: I think DaVinci or Little Nemo maybe?
: Teddy Ruxpin: first in wooden airships, first in devouring your soul as you sleep.
SnackPak_: subscribe dirigible facts
GDwarble: Ah, the first ever was a 1670 drawing by Francesco Lana de Terzi who thought that it would be held aloft by having metal sphere filled with a vacuum to provide bouyancy and a ship's hull to stand on
TehAmelie: vacuum IS lighter than air
LordZarano: A Jules Verne maybe?
DiamondMX: Yeah, would that...work? (pretending the metal was ultralight for the hypothetical)
DaxStrife: There's something about this track that makes me think it's going to turn into the Flintstones' theme at times.
Simonark: Cyrano De Bergerac’s Voyage to the Moon and the Sun
GDwarble: @DiamondMX Yup, vacuum is as bouyant as you can get
Mr_Horrible: I think it's just "Victorian"
SaxPython: Hot air balloons date back to 1780s, so I think that's got to be an upper bound
BrowneePoints: yea there was a lot of turn of the 20th century comics/media that looked like that
BrowneePoints: and Victorian
Simonark: And the Jules Verne that’s most relevant is Master of the World
Ignatiuspants: there are lots of ways to do retrofuturism
BrowneePoints: yea I remember Alex and Cameron having a big discussion on that too
Mr_Horrible: Ian Cactaurner
Earthenone: i assume on talking simulator
BrowneePoints: about how Steampunk was supposed to be a takedown of Edwardian Imperialism but people latched onto the aesthetic
aitsu100: steampunk was what if instead of electronics we advanced tech via steam only
BrowneePoints: instead of the "punk" nature of the original media
LordZarano: Yes, vacuum airships are theoretically a thing. But they take more weight of material to hold the vacuum than the buoyancy they provide, using current materials
Mr_Horrible: if you enjoy Retrofuturism boy I have a game for you
Ignatiuspants: I think steampunk started when cyberpunk writers got tired of the near future controlled by tech companies and started setting their stories in the Victorian era instead
mtvcdm: That'll happen with a lot of satires and takedowns people come up with. You always run the risk that someone goes "...wait hang on but what if actually".
Mr_Horrible: *is pulled offstage shouting about Signalis again*
talosparoxi: no Ian, Star wars takes place in the past
Mr_Horrible: I remember hearing the term "Used Future" to describe Star Wars, which I always thought was fitting
Earthenone: it takes place a long time ago
: "A long long time ago"
mtvcdm: And of course ever since people have gone 'where's my flying car, I was promised'
BrowneePoints: so the Actual beginning of Steampunk the genre goes back to the 60s, but the Term was a tongue-in-cheek reference to Cyberpunk coined in the 80s
: @talosparoxi "In a galaxy far away"
DaxStrife: Delicious post-modernism...
mtvcdm: The Jetsons always looked like everyone lived in a showroom.
BrowneePoints: Question, could we unlock ff14?
Earthenone: turns out it happens a lot
HyruleGirl9: theater clapping gif
: H P Verne
JohnLockeCole: To unlock other than the starting group, clear at least one whole title
BrowneePoints: Jules Verne was MOSTLY okay
BrowneePoints: there's a couple meh things for a Science Teacher in turn of the Century England
BrowneePoints: but nothing MAJOR
Simonark: Wells on the other hand had some… views.
BrowneePoints: RAGING homophobe
talosparoxi: jules vern is from long enough ago that we don't know for sure he was shitty in any specific way
3and4fifths: Sir Pterry Prattchett is a great author!
DiamondMX: OSC is hugely homophobic.
BrowneePoints: Pratchett, Gaiman
mtvcdm: Didn't some people go start actively editing Roald Dahl's stuff lately?
BrowneePoints: Verne is mostly unproblematic
letfireraindown: I was just thinking David what's his nuts and Detroit Become Human with an author sticking his dick in things
GDwarble: Pratchett messed up sometimes, but learned and grew and was very clear about that
DiscordianTokkan: He apparently recanted later in life, but... HP Lovecraft had named his cat a racial slur similar to what Brazil nuts were called
Earthenone: i tend to assume everyone who ever created something will give me some reason to dislike them if i look into it for more than an hour
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MolaMolaphant: @mtvcdm They edited childrens books to be more sensible for people who are children now. Some of the edits were rather a bit weird, though...
BrowneePoints: I also love jerks trying to tell Gaiman what Pratchett thought of things and Gaiman is like "bruh"
Earthenone: at least anything "mainstream" and "profitavle"
TheMerricat: @mtvcdm The publisher/editor of his books whom I believe actually own the rights to them now have been editing his books to remove the anti-Semitism and fat shaming. apparently gotten a lot of right-wing folk upset
Xafty: @TheMerricat good.
azureHaights: BOSS ......boss
LordZarano: @BrowneePoints Didn't they literally work together?
Mr_Horrible: on Good Omens, yes
BrowneePoints: Yes, Pratchett and Gaiman wrote Good Omens together
BrowneePoints: and were very, very, very good friends
Earthenone: two S's. thats probobly a C right?
DiscordianTokkan: E g g
GDwarble: @TheMerricat Well, kinda? They're not...good edits, and some of the choices are bizarre. Also the underlying stuff that made them bad is still there, it's just terminology changes. It's weird.
TehAmelie: and talked for years about the sequel they wanted to write
BrowneePoints: was that Gladiolus?
BrowneePoints: or as I call him *daddy*
Mr_Horrible: the cards are art spots from the actual games themselves iirc
O_Yarnspinner: @DiscordianTokkan Lovecraft was definitely a racist, but he was 9 yrs old when he had that cat. It likely was named by a parent.
DiscordianTokkan: Just Normal Men. Innocent Men
BusTed: less bean
Earthenone: runway model
BrowneePoints: it's concept/art from the Games
JDogg2K4: less bean
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Mr_Horrible: yes, but these are art *from* those games and their eras
mtvcdm: Not a bean person
BrowneePoints: baby Noctis!
omdorastrix: Beans, Beans, Human Beans, Sean Bean
Mr_Horrible: King Whossname and baby Noctis
KeytarCat: Behold a man, he hold a man
talosparoxi: their game art
ImmortalLen: My favorite type of freatherless biped
BrowneePoints: that's the FF15 protag as a child
DiscordianTokkan: BEHOLD, a man, he hold a bean
azureHaights: bean caps
Mr_Horrible: yeah, the Memory ones are all art from/about the games themselves
SaxPython: gotta get them foils
Mr_Horrible: behold, CONTENT
BrowneePoints: gives you reason to replay though
KeytarCat: i like the big Chocobo as the museum
Mr_Horrible: some of the Movies you can play along to in the free-play mode
boristhewizard: MAn I love the XV soundtrack
talosparoxi: it's very much a "if people are gonna be playing this all the time to listen to music, may as well give them something to collect"
Mr_Horrible: they have the Guitar-Hero kinda perspective
Thatwasademo: it's also achievements of a sort
Thatwasademo: most stats can get stars if they get high enough
Mr_Horrible: "Show Feats"
Thatwasademo: and then yeah there's feats on top of that
TehAmelie: chat gestalt voice: "we are always funny"
BrowneePoints: it gives the game a lot of depth and replayability
azureHaights: tiger beans
Thatwasademo: I also like how the game's scoring system is set up such that an All Critical will get you all nines in the score
TehAmelie: not-displacer beasts!
SaxPython: watch out for Blaster
Mr_Horrible: yeah, I enjoy that the leveling and party stuff you *can* engage with to optimize, but you can also largely get by just ignoring it and having characters you enjoy on-screen
GDwarble: Yeah, the party stuff only engages with...party stuff
GDwarble: So if you want more powerful characters that get more items and upgrades then you can do that, but it has zero impact on your song score
smashy_030: what in the fuck are those
mtvcdm: Bigger than before
smashy_030: i would like to be far away from them
Mr_Horrible: yeah, it mostly just relates to the extra quests that regard hitting damage thresholds or defeating certain enemies
Feriority: Woo Diamond Dust
PMAvers: And just like the things they're named off of, they spew bad breath
Mr_Horrible: and most of those can be accomplished by just having a higher-level party in general
Thatwasademo: the only impact skills/items has on your score is that it can prevent you from failing a song early
betweenmyself: I appreciate that this game seems to have decided against having some sort of narrative to explain why you are playing FF music… Ya don’t always need a reason, devs.
GDwarble: @betweenmyself The previous ones had a story, this one is just "go play through FF games"
Mr_Horrible: this one definitely just seems to unapologetically be a "FF 35th Anniversary" game
talosparoxi: @betweenmyself but on the other hand, p4 dancing all night had a really good story
mtvcdm: Are you a bad enough dude to play these songs?
Xafty: im doubting it, unless it unlocks with the theatrhythm series quest
LRRbot: Fran, like all viera, is intended to have an Icelandic accent. "Marquis" has two different pronunciations, the one used in the game is valid.
talosparoxi: clear 8 to unlock thearythm titles
SaxPython: Thicc Goron
GDwarble: That's the FF14 design of Titan
Mr_Horrible: you could *probably* hit credits in 10 hours in FF Mystic Quest
Xafty: @Earthenone i find that hilarious, because wiggins has a similar command in his chat
aitsu100: why we anger goron
BrowneePoints: FF14 has some BANGERS
: you can probably hit the opening credits in most ff games within 10 hours
KeytarCat: 10 hrs is about right for speedruns of PSX FF onward
wabajck: Yea I saw what happened. Nintendo is selling me DLC for 70 bucks
Mr_Horrible: Bow down overdweller, etc etc
DiscordianTokkan: FFXIV is almost 95% banger by musical weight
aitsu100: to my knowledge heather is not a goron
mtvcdm: She says it like it's a promise
paronomasiac042: man, i really miss melodic FF music. this ambient stuff is great in-game, but i can't hum it =-(
Earthenone: light them on fire because YOU are sad
LordZarano: !findquote fire
LRRbot: Quote #6429: "Ben had to die in fire. You have to be alive to sleep." —Adam [2019-09-28]
aitsu100: consent is always important
Travilogue: Fire is a sometime activity
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Ignatiuspants: I agree! I've been burned by this before
GDwarble: I assume the ovens need to be cleaned at times
paronomasiac042: i bet they nap there sometimes
KeytarCat: Yeah, they gotta clean them
Xafty: nah, but the freeze drawers are fair game
SaxPython: I mean, I assumed you had to clean it...
CreedPlaysGames: what you mean you wouldn't get in there?
Earthenone: like how everyone at the ice cream parlor gets locked in the freezer?
talosparoxi: they probably have to crawl in to clean it
iris_of_ether: Hazing more like Blazing
BrowneePoints: Also Heather did you see for the track The Twinning in this game, the directions and placement of the buttons are EXACTLY the Double Dream Feet meme dance? EXPERT level trolling from the Devs there.
DiscordianTokkan: I guess it... wont' clean itself, as well?
Xafty: @iris_of_ether gives new meaning to the term "hot boxing"
iris_of_ether: @Xafty Oh *no*
: I'm not sure Heather would know that incredibly FF14-specific meme, BrowneePoints
talosparoxi: I never got locked in the back room freezer
iris_of_ether: Don't food service people call those the 'crying freezers'?
aitsu100: i know at walmart we "never" did stuff like that
BrowneePoints: Fair GDWarble, but the Double Dream Feet meme was kind of everywhere back in...oh god 2019?
talosparoxi: there was a big button you could smash to open the door
betweenmyself: Wait, does this game have music from ‘Spirits Within’? If not, 0/10
mtvcdm: Our Walmart has a safety button to where you *can't* be locked in the freezer
DiscordianTokkan: @BrowneePoints *withers to dust*
Xafty: @BrowneePoints i have "followed" ff14 for years to an extent, and i didnt know about it till you mentioned it the other day
TehAmelie: makes me recall Four Shades of Brown, a Swedish comedy involving a pet cremator man getting his face burned on take your child to work day. i bet chat would like it
Earthenone: spirits within was the best line from heathers Life is strange playthough
DiamondMX: Wait, did you say "locked" in the freezer? Isn't that, like, crazy dangerous?
ShaneLeeAtk: Lock out, Tag out!
BrowneePoints: @Xafty Well the Double Dream Feet dance specifically was just a meme, it later got remixed with the ff14 song and took a new life
iris_of_ether: 14's songs are real good, though
BrowneePoints: why was there 2 Y'shtolas
serramarkov: I work in a cakery, I like the walk in all year round, but adore it in summer.
DiscordianTokkan: Y'Shtola, and Y'Shtola 2
Juliamon: don't worry about it
SaxPython: -> <- -> <-
ImmortalLen: I need this game now
talosparoxi: and they're BANGERS
GDwarble: @BrowneePoints ARR and HW versions
Xafty: @BrowneePoints healer and magic
Mr_Horrible: to be fair it's also the longest game, which it kinda cheats by doing
BrowneePoints: Yea FF14 has I think like 400 odd unique tracks in the game?
: @BrowneePoints One has working eyes! D:
CanvasWolfDoll: yay, ff14 time!
TheMerricat: so Google says that they apparently clean the 'retort' of the crematorium after every cremation. One of the releases you have to sign is the acknowledgment that even though they do the cleaning every time it's impossible for them to get every bit of the previous person out and therefore you indemnify them for any unintentional mixing of remains that occurs.
talosparoxi: I hope they play "LEVIATHAN LEVIATHAN YEAH YEAH
Mr_Horrible: Bullying Chat is a time-honored tradition and I respect it
Mr_Horrible: also: IAN
LordZarano: MasterLock specifically have WAY better pick protection on their Lockout locks than all their other locks
ImmortalLen: All the time is edgeing time!
TehAmelie: in hindsight, it's weird Amano only ever illustrated "one" Sandman story. his dreamlike style works. . .
GDwarble: @BrowneePoints More, I have 628 tracks from the soundtracks, though some of those are Primals versions or duplicates, still well over 500 tracks
BrowneePoints: Oh yea GD has the info there Ian
DaxStrife: Ugh, I want to get back into FF14 but I'm also worried that giving more money to SquareEnix will encourage more of their crypto nonsense.
GDwarble: @talosparoxi It's in the game
BrowneePoints: FF14 has 500 unique tracks
Earthenone: the joy of a co host
BrowneePoints: Soken is a BEAST
mtvcdm: If you want Heather to be nice you show up at her own cafe, not this one
Xafty: i kinda regret starting with FF14, because it has so many tracks. and to unlock the game i wanted i needed to clear 1 title
GDwarble: @DaxStrife There is the free trial, I suppose, but also no crypto in FF14
talosparoxi: @talosparoxi I know
LordZarano: Which isn't a high bar to clear, but still (Normal MasterLocks have *terrible* pick protection)
azureHaights: Tactics is as long as it takes to finish a box of tic tacs
DiamondMX: So how long is Kindomhears 365/2?
talosparoxi: type 0
Earthenone: how long is spirits within?
Xafty: type-0 shouldnt exist
Mr_Horrible: DaxStrife from what I understand, XIV and Creative Business Unit 3 (the department behind it) stay *mostly* independent of larger SE nonsense, and XIV's director has stated he has no intention to incorporate that stuff into XIV and doesn't want to (though whether they may later be strong-armed into it remains to be seen)
BrowneePoints: It's infinitely long, the belt just flew off the lamniscate
GDwarble: @DiamondMX 178 days, it's very long
mtvcdm: Oh God is what why Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days is so long?
SaxPython: fans treat type-0 like it doesn't exist so I think you're good
talosparoxi: it's the most screwed up game in my opinon. When a person dies everyone forgets they existed
mtvcdm: So THIS is why you didn't finish The Longest Five Minutes
talosparoxi: @SaxPython obviously only the ones who lost just forgot it existed
mendokusai_jamesdean: Isnt Type 0 prequel to 13?
DiscordianTokkan: @Mr_Horrible SE likely CAN'T strong arm them, as CBU3 is what has bailed SE out of financial troubles... repeatedly
BrowneePoints: oooo Phoenix!
Xafty: @mendokusai_jamesdean that was the original intent, but it actually isnt
Mr_Horrible: @Mr_Horrible yeah, that gets into inter-office stuff that I don't know enough to speak on, but they have a fair amount of clout to throw around, and "leave us alone" is a pretty reasonable directive given that fact
BrowneePoints: Good old Diaper Rompin
mendokusai_jamesdean: @mendokusai_jamesdean Thank you
DiamondMX: I miss some of the person streams.
talosparoxi: @mendokusai_jamesdean because the 13-verse failed miserably
Feriority: omg the bouncer
DaxStrife: Yeeeessssss Bouncer.
Dish_KP: Ehrgeiz was amazing
Xafty: @mendokusai_jamesdean type-0 was supposed to be in the same series as 13, and 13 versus, but everything about that plan broke
DiscordianTokkan: Gods I miss the Bouncer
Mr_Horrible: *Me watching someone play AI: The Somnium Files, having never seen a Spike Chunsoft game before* "Oh I get why everyone's so weird about these now"
talosparoxi: bouncer was a rushed launch title for the ps2
talosparoxi: and is ridiculous and kinda rad
silenceaux: everything I know about The Bouncer I know because of Kelly Turnbull on twitter
BrowneePoints: Surely La Hee is in this right?
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible In fairness, no one from the Danganronpa team worked on that, Kotaro Uchikoshi, who directed Ai, has his own style for writing that is wild and usually pretty fun
: @BrowneePoints Which version?
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible Well, I say "no one", no one who gets prominent credits did, not sure about the other staff
BrowneePoints: If they put the Live Soken version I would pee myself laughing
Earthenone: a long time ago
Earthenone: maybe 2000?
DiamondMX: PS3: It was first released on November 11, 2006, in Japan, November 17, 2006, in North America, and March 23, 2007, in Europe and Australia.
GDwarble: @BrowneePoints Alas, no. Only 4 ShB songs and that's not one of them
betweenmyself: PS 2 launched March, 4th 2000 in Japan
Mr_Horrible: @Mr_Horrible that would make some amount of sense - the person I was watching has played a lot of the studio's stuff, and caught them pulling the "we're about to introduce the weird supernatural stuff haha nevermind fooled you" bit, kinda lampshading a commonality of the games, apparently
talosparoxi: @BrowneePoints but we do have the troll song from the fairy fight
betweenmyself: October 26th 2000 for NA
TheMerricat: "The game tells the story of three bouncers in the fictional city of Edge on a rescue mission to save their young friend from the Mikado Group, a solar technology megacorporation" now... that's an interesting take.
iris_of_ether: Hmm, Curtain Call didn't have The Bouncer or Ergeiss, but did have Live a Live, Chrono Trigger, Romancing Salsa, Nier, and others...
BrowneePoints: @iris_of_ether those are all in the season pass for this
: @Mr_Horrible Yeah, Uchikoshi stuff does that. He's never met a conspiracy theory or weird psuedoscience that he didn't think was neat enough to name drop in a game.
Mr_Horrible: @iris_of_ether not me having to remember that the game name is not actually "Romancing Salsa"
Juliamon: please do not romance the salsa
Gaz_L: Metal Gear Solid 3 was basically the only game that used it well
SaxPython: Salsa deserves love too
Feriority: @Juliamon But it's so hot
Mr_Horrible: @Mr_Horrible Honestly, it didn't feel like a game I'd play myself, but it was *very* fun to watch with a streamer and a chat and just laugh and go "BRUH" at a lot of the stuff
Gaz_L: but also, there's a reason outside of triggers, no controllers have the analogue buttons any more
GDwarble: @Mr_Horrible I never finished AI, I need to do that, but I loved Virtue's Last Reward, one of the best out-there visual novels I've played. Need to play 999 first to have it really make sense, though.
mtvcdm: 'You're in your teens now, time to stop having fun'
BrowneePoints: Oh hey Odin!
: now your an adult, and let other people watch you play
talosparoxi: I did that with lunch money, I just skipped lunch
: Just buy special editions of games that come with free shirts
TheMerricat: Who buys clothes every month? Are you not washing them?
mtvcdm: Why do you need to go through clothes that fast
GDwarble: I mean, when you're growing up you do outgrow clothing
GDwarble: Fast fashion is a plague
Mr_Horrible: "But hear me out - blideo blames"
BrowneePoints: gosh this game just really does have the best overall soundtrack of the Franchise
: Huakke Manor
mtvcdm: I might buy two shirts a year and one of them is the Desert Bus shirt
talosparoxi: @Mr_Horrible GET IN THE CORNER
GDwarble: I continue to love just how they recreated all the boss arenas for the FF14 levels, they didn't do that for, like, FF5
Mr_Horrible: @Mr_Horrible me desperately trying to put out the lanterns and not just DPSing the boss
DiscordianTokkan: @Mr_Horrible Gotta get them CANDLES
GDwarble: Oh yeah, the Jimmy Choo boots are...a heck of a thing
mtvcdm: You do NOT want to know how much they cost
Dalrint: @GDwarble It's because these are just flattened screens from the game. They didn't have to 'remake' it the way they would stuff from five
BrowneePoints: Half Calf boots yea
GDwarble: @GDwarble I think these are at least a bit redrawn
DaxStrife: My friend wanted those Jupiter boots so bad, but there was no way they could afford them. And they sold out instantly anyway.
DiscordianTokkan: Hakke Manor, aka "Tanks Plz interrupt casts" training
SaxPython: holy S the toes on those
TheMerricat: Chat, stupid question... have any of you noticed that when you open a new twitch tab for a stream these days, it fills chat with a portion of the chat that was said prior to you joining? I just moved from being on my phone to my laptop and noticed that the chat from prior to moving was on screen.....
Mr_Horrible: @DiscordianTokkan meanwhile every Bard like "At last, I can use this button!"
GDwarble: @TheMerricat They just added that in the past week or two
talosparoxi: @TheMerricat that is a thing yes
DiscordianTokkan: @TheMerricat Yep! It's new I think
Juliamon: TheMerricat They finally realized backchat was useful to more than just mods
Earthenone: yeah it has been giving some chat history this week, its actually nice as someone who disconects on occasion
: Cool! Thanks chat!
talosparoxi: @Mr_Horrible more like blue mage training area
thavleifrim: Gladly! Everyone is... More strong. I believe....
Thatwasademo: > Added Cut
talosparoxi: I'd liusten to that podcast
BrowneePoints: those luna boots would look KILLER on some folks
Juliamon: the Luna clutch though
Thatwasademo: obtained Title Key
: Gimme some sort of FLCL kicks and I’m good
Cinominn subscribed at Tier 1. They've subscribed for 39 months!
: Thanks for subscribing, Cinominn! (Today's storm count: 14)
Cinominn: absolutely love this game
letfireraindown: Went to US army, then College after witht he GI bill
BrowneePoints: Red's portrait made him look like a LIon King Hyena
letfireraindown: I was still fit back then...
DiscordianTokkan: I kinda love that Aerith is perpetually X3 face
adambomb625: Another FFVII Remake?
silenceaux: Having your life and self-image together before going to college is very valuable imo
korvys: That collection is great, but also all the shoes are like AU$2,000
BrowneePoints: Yep feel that Heather
BrowneePoints: MY DAD SAID THE SAME THING IAN!
DiamondMX: Does the musician core still get shot at?
SaxPython: Army band service counts all the same
BrowneePoints: "You should join the Army band as a Clarinetist"
letfireraindown: HA! Absolutely! I got to meet up with the Army band a few times and they seemed to love it!
BrowneePoints: Fuck no
mtvcdm: My high school ended in 2003; any sort of GI Bill would likely have ended with me in Iraq or Afghanistan somewhere.
Geldaran: the band, not so much, but there are only so many slots there, and recruiters Liiiiie.
silenceaux: tuition, but also just not having income for a full year
KeytarCat: I was never good enough at rudiments to place into anything but a music dept at a film school
talosparoxi: it can also make people hate school if you just throw them at university
GDwarble: I went to Uni because it just kinda seemed like the inevitable default, it did...not go well
BrowneePoints: but instead let's just let them inflate 1,000% price wise and prey on 18 year olds
mtvcdm: A piece of paper that probably doesn't even get you past the gate anyway anymore.
Dog_of_Myth: Preach it Ian
DaxStrife: And still every place wants the degree AND 3-5 years of experience for an entry-level job.
talosparoxi: and for most of them you need an extra 5 years of experience to actually get past the gate
DiamondMX: Well, that might not be why you go there - you do still tend to pick up some of the generalized learning while you're there.
JDogg2K4: Definitely a "you need to do something"
BrowneePoints: oh yea, the day I flunked out of College was the single most humiliating day of my life thanks to "Western College Culture"
DiscordianTokkan: I'm making more now as an IT tech than I would as a Biomedical Mechanical Engineer... because all of the Gov't jobs for it REALLY wanted people with MASTERS in it not just Bachelors
mtvcdm: I have a coworker who recently got out of high school, as an *honor student*... who refuses to go to college because it's too expensive.
nevermore913: my degree has nothing to do with my job now
BrowneePoints: Oh yea, had that convo. It SUCKS
Cinominn: my degree has never had anything to do with jobs ive gotten... but w/o a bachelor's i wouldnt have gotten any of the better jobs ive had.... which is dissapointing
KeytarCat: I have so many gosh darn credits...
uchihab7: My mom opened a letter from my college addressed to me and found out i flunk classes so i couldnt go back. Horrible “adult” conversation we had
BrowneePoints: I went for a music degree and then at the end of my freshman year they cut the program
Earthenone: my mom's degree was in archeology, she was a factory worker, then a office worker
Juliamon: I theoretically only needed to take a writing class to get a degree in *several* programs at my community college. But because that wasn't my interest, I never got any degree.
yalc321: I spent 3.5 years working on an engineering degree before i said heck it, got an interdisciplinary studies degree, got an IT certificate, and now I'm an L4 Consultant
nevermore913: trade schools are great
yalc321: Being forced into college early is miserable
Earthenone: think of how many AMV's you would have made
mtvcdm: I have an associate's in marketing. I didn't want to go any further and the marketing degree hasn't done be jack good anyway.
Juliamon: also I had to take a semester of remedial math because THEY screwed up and misread my test scores.
Juliamon: They made sure not to tell me that until after the semester.
iris_of_ether: I did go to college immediately, and I did successfully make it out with a BS, but *hoo boy* parts of it were a meat grinder.
omdorastrix: OH iMACs not IMAX...
KeytarCat: @Juliamon ewwww
dmatiq: Spent 8 years in Uni... not for being a Medical Professional, instead I struggled with severe depression and ended up switching majors. Now I teach English as a Second Language... with 10k in student loan debt and barely making enough to survive :_)
iris_of_ether: Especially since I was still recovering from being sick the prior year
Cinominn: i spent 4 years on getting a degree for game art and design, and graduated right as all the game companies around me went out of bussiness.... and now i work doing ticket management for customer complaints making deece money..... its a shame really
DiamondMX: Multi-track drifting?
mtvcdm: Honestly all the bullying I had to go through in middle and high school had a *profound* effect on my grades, where eventually I just wanted out of the school system as quickly as possible.
silenceaux: I studied physics for a few years until it started getting really esoteric, flunked due to that + social issues, and then a few years later went back to do a 4 year business degree just so I had _something_.
Earthenone: i failed classes in college for such dumb reasons, like "class participation" and "doing the work the wrong way"
HyruleGirl9: after I got my degree I struggled to find a job in the field, and my father personally registered me for classes at his choice of university because he decided I had to go back to do what he wanted me to do. It was a nightmare to call them up and be like yeah that was fraudulent
BrowneePoints: but yea the societal pressure to keep it up is also no bueno, cuz I absoLUTELY should've taken a mental health year and maybe gotten counseling, but that feeling of "if you take a break you're behind in life" is an INCREDIBLE pressure
Earthenone: turns out being neurodivergant was a disqualifying factor
TheNerdWonder: I was doing 5 classes a semesater and STILL ended up taking an extra year because I took too many classes in stuff I was interested in instead of classes I needed to graduate
DiscordianTokkan: Depending on your Highschool courses also, some college courses are basically free credits where you don't learn anything NEW, but you don't have to put any effort in either
mtvcdm: I didn't even really realize the community college I went to even had extracurricular programs at all until my final year there. I was there to go to class and go home.
Juliamon: Or neither!
DiamondMX: I did okay in university, but not great. And 20 years later, I figured out the undiagnosed ADHD was probably why.
Omega_Lairon: why not both?
patbaer: or neither!
patbaer: Sometimes you just never kiss
Cinominn: por que no los dos
: Why "or" Ian? Why not AND
azninsect: normalise smoochies!
Juliamon: every HS teacher right now: NO
: oh god and Greek Life
DiamondMX: Kiss girls, kiss boys, kiss enbies!
KeytarCat: Colleges get judged by degrees complete, which is a bad criterion
TehAmelie: experimenting with having alcoholism for a personality trait also doesn't count
randombillfolds: Fail early, fail often.
nevermore913: also expecting someone to know what they want to do for the rest of their life at 18 is stupid
Werdnae: when I went to a uni open day, they said to use electives to take a paper for your parents to keep them happy, but the degree should be what you want to do
mtvcdm: More colleges need to tell US News and World Report to eff off.
h3rsh3yb4r: Less is always good
dmatiq: My favorite classes had nothing to do with my major: astronomy, Film history and appreciation, and Film critique.
letfireraindown: Ah yeah... That was one thing. I was always kinda the weird one so once I decided on Army after HightSchool That let others pidgen hole and stop questioning me!
DiamondMX: You say that like the teachers don't get bored and make out sometimes too.
Asimech: @TehAmelie Embarrasingly large chunk of Finland: *Surprised PIkachu face*
BrowneePoints: I mean, if you want to know the state of Post-Secondary in the US, the Highest paid "educator" in my state is the Coach for the Iowa Hawkeye Football team
TehAmelie: i'm swedish, i can hardly talk
Juliamon: This is how you want to end the stream, Ian?
Earthenone: roll credits
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nevermore913: Ian broke Heather
GDwarble: Ian bought Twitch and runs it as a personal fiefdom now, it turns out
: LRR has an official Discord server! And you don't even need to be subbed or anything! You can join here: https://discord.gg/lrr
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LordZarano: I used to think "French kissing" was kissing on both cheeks, because our family regularly went on holiday to France and that's how people kiss there
DiscordianTokkan: Good crop of highlights this month, yarp
Asimech: @TehAmelie IDK about there, but apparently here alchol free drinks (e.g. wines et al.) have started getting increasingly popular. So it might get better here at least.
Earthenone: febuary is the horniest month of the year (so far)
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Can't Draw Horses Club (Join Cori, and a rotating cast of guests as they draw horses and stuff (Horses not Guaranteed). Game: Art Stream) at Mon 01:00 PM PST (18:57 from now).
randombillfolds: Busy putting frogs in stacks.
SaxPython: banger Monday
Texan_Reverend: Ian, do you have any idea what caused the green screen on the left edge of screen to get goofed? Been that way for a couple weeks now.
azninsect: we never know what to expect
Diabore: a second one?
: LRR is playing "What On Earth Are You Talking About?", a party game by the makers of "Psycho Killer: The Card Game"! Check out the Kickstarter at https://lrr.cc/whatonearth
azninsect: double AFK!
TehAmelie: "scorn" is a good word to pronounce extremely scornfully
mtvcdm: It funded btw
azninsect: yeeee game good
nevermore913: that was super fun to watch
DiscordianTokkan: Seems like a fun game!
iris_of_ether: It was fun, and Nelson *killed* it
azninsect: camel cup super up!
Earthenone: camel up supercup
Texan_Reverend: I can't wait for another What on Earth Are You Talking About.
tenthtechpriest: amel cup!
Earthenone: ian and beej "drama"dery
KBKarma: CAMEL CUP!
Diabore: camel up super cup camel up super cup camel up super cup camel up super cup camel up super cup
KBKarma: I just turned up to rewatch the LRL, and hadn't noticed that there actually was a stream on...
mtvcdm: That seems like TTSF, it seems like a Live sketch
mtvcdm: I got 8 free months apparently?
: 100 Hi hi hi hi, and goodnight!
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
Texan_Reverend: Have a great evening, y'all.
aynahl_feasting: Wait, I just got here can we start again?
LRRbot: Sorry, I can only see the future.
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Can't Draw Horses Club (Join Cori, and a rotating cast of guests as they draw horses and stuff (Horses not Guaranteed). Game: Art Stream) at Mon 01:00 PM PST (18:48 from now).
TehAmelie: another long day of writing so successfully i have to struggle to take a break for sleeping. things are looking bright
Earthenone: i imagine that brightness will add to the sleeping struggle
TehAmelie: at this latitude, you learn to sleep in bright light to live through summer
TehAmelie: i miss the bright nights really