LoadingReadyRun: ready for chill and/or point?
TehAmelie: soo ready
RockPusher: !search for treasure
LRRbot: You find: Gold!
RockPusher stuffs the gold into his pocket, which immediately tears
TehAmelie: ooh, free gold
RockPusher: can't transport the gold without pockets, can't buy new pockets without gold. quite the predicament
TehAmelie: !advice
LRRbot: Teeth are stored in the mouth.
TehAmelie: so, uh, gold teeth?
RockPusher: does the material the teeth are made of affect where you store them?
TehAmelie: i mean, you could make teeth out of the gold and take them with you in your mouth
RockPusher fashions a golden mouthguard
RockPusher: ready for sports and for participating in the new-pockets economy!
TehAmelie: well, in the hypothetical world where that gold didn't mysteriously vanish as soon as it hit the ground
RockPusher: I blame an evil wizard. It's always evil wizards.
GapFiller:
in what way (if any) wd Desert Bus be improved by a) the bus being capable of speeds worthy of a blue hedgehog and 2) the bus being a technical
TehAmelie: *randomly pats several pockets on her cargo pants that don't seem to be bulging a lot individually*
GapFiller: (mostly focused on this as my memory of the rest of the episode mostly amounts to Star Citizen and Getting Railed)
GapFiller: oh and that Denovo thing
GapFiller: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: ChillPoint (Paul, Beej and Heather chat about Video Games and Video Game related news!) at Fri 02:00 PM PDT (0s ago).
baltimore_667083: !box
LRRbot: If you take too long I'll put your hand in the box.
Sethalidos: nice
TheAinMAP:
Sethalidos: !quote Ian
LRRbot: Quote #2653: "You can see the little balls, that retract when I pull them back." —Ian [2016-05-30]
RockPusher:
TehAmelie: let the lewd news mew
GapFiller: actually on 2nd thought modding The Bus to handle Sonic speed (some kinda nitrous dooda maybe) sounds abt on the same lvl as kitting it out w/ a gunners position
TehAmelie: muse?
TehAmelie: needs some workshop
mtvcdm: hi
LunarJade:
GapFiller:
hai Heather
RockPusher: lewd news? welcome to SexPoint?
TehAmelie: chillpoint and chill?
LunarJade: don’t forget Paul and I have a bonus stream tonight too
GapFiller: RockPusher Beej DID have that story abt Nintendo Sims Railing
GapFiller: oooh Lumbearjack
RockPusher: GapFiller *makes vague but suggestive motions with arms*
TehAmelie: right, let's not make the rest of the streaming night awkward
RockPusher: Friday Night Bear vs Trees Fight?
GapFiller: clearly The Trees are in cahoots w/ The Sharks
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RockPusher: #BlameBeej&Ian
TheMerricat:
Not going to lie they was a rather ominous grin Paul gave just before the second intro screen. 
GapFiller: tbf Graham and Kathleen never do ChillPoint either
Juliamon: Graham and Kathleen are *younger* than Beej and Ian
SocraticMethod: Beej did get through Sexpoint without interruption, though
kusinohki: meows
KV1NN4: XD
RockPusher: It's a good joke
mtvcdm: bloop
TheMerricat: @Juliamon chronologically, maybe. Maybe.
kusinohki: crapshot idea - graham and kathleen retire and puts penelope in charge
Mysticman89: Theres absolutely a segment of the audience who thought it was always about fish or sharks
TheMerricat: Can't stop. won't stop.
GapFiller: kusinohki per G shes already hassling them to payroll her ideas
accountmadeforants: So, for some somewhat belated gaming news (to me), I just found out that The Powell Group, who Ziff Davis put in charge of Humble games after firing all Humble Game staff, ended up hiring the "Good Games Group"... who are founded by former Humble Games staff. Ziff Davis truly are very smart.
SocraticMethod: It's single-player
mtvcdm: How do you have a convention for a game that's not actually out
TheMerricat: See if I were the organizational/planning people behind Star Citizen, I'd have done EVERYTHING FUCKING POSSIBLE to avoid my 'convention/gathering' having CON at the end of the name of it. I'd invent new words just to prevent that.
Juliamon: Desperately polishing that turd
GapFiller: also a whole year (or two!) is def way too long for polishing
accountmadeforants: @mtvcdm I think they had one starting from the very first year (maybe the second), they got real deep into the PR machine real quick.
SocraticMethod: It's a single player campaign like Freelancer/Wing Commander
RockPusher: mtvcdm by charging the suckers^H^H^H enthusiasts to go to it!
mtvcdm: Please contribute more money to the dev's Jamaican vacation fund
GapFiller: thatd be DNF territory had we not already crossed that Rubicon ages ago
TehAmelie: the longer they put off the release the longer they can spend hiding the hundreds of millions of dollars that definitely didn't go anywhere into the game. probably the IRS won't like that
SocraticMethod: They did a new recording later, which is what's online
NotCainNorAbel: good use of money
GapFiller: shd we be this incredulous abt a Con for an UNFINISHED game
BrookJustBones: Runescape had some
TheMerricat: @TehAmelie TBF given who is behind the game I seriously doubt they are doing anything shady with the money, they are just burning it without actually producing results.
mtvcdm: Quakecon
accountmadeforants: I put some money into Star Citizen at the very start (when they had a nice in-engine trailer and it was basically just "Freelancer devs want to make more spaceship games"), not the smartest thing, in retrospect. But it's been a bigger source of comedy than most other failed crowdfunding endeavours, so there's that.
HavenDragon: tennocon, for warframe...
TehAmelie: Forbes magazine thinks it's very shady. . .
GapFiller: TehAmelie TheMerricat which in turn gets into the weeds on the line between incompetence and active malice
EvilBadman:
i mean churches have conventions for something that's not happening 
NorthstarTex: Quakecon, Tennocon, ESO had a 10th anniversary con in Europe
GapFiller:
EvilBadman 
SocraticMethod: @accountmadeforants Not really, the kickstarter was such a lie. CR promised a potemkin village that looked much more complete than it was.
Invitare: how much of this is Sunk Cost Fallacy
NotCainNorAbel: or on an aircraft carrier
TheMerricat: Look Paul, it might be vaporware but Star Citizen _is_ scratching an unserved itch in the gaming community.
GapFiller:
LRR CON 2 when1? 
Invitare: what about LrrCon South?
SocraticMethod: @TehAmelie Actual Forbes or the option blog Forbes?
TehAmelie: don't remember, but they had done some investigation
RockPusher: LRRCon Paul's Kitchen
Invitare: they announced that BG+E2 is still in development
Invitare: I believe Alyx teased HL3
TehAmelie: big holes in the budget, especially for a marketing campaign that doesn't seem to have ever happened
Invitare: right at the end
RockPusher: Attendees are Paul, a cup of coffee, and a croissant
SocraticMethod: HL2:E3 was teased for a while
GapFiller: amazing restraint on Heathers part NOT referencing Silksong rn
LordZarano: Half Life 3 was "Half Life 2: Episode 1"
TehAmelie: an article i read the other day said we need a new word for something less substantial than vaporware for BG&E2. "ectoplasmware?"
accountmadeforants: @SocraticMethod Oh, I realize that it was a lie in retrospect, but you can see how it seemed believable without the benefit of hindsight (or remembering those Freelancer making of videos where they all but admitted that Microsoft forced them to actually fucking finish the game). Nevertheless, it was more of a "hey, I really liked Freelancer, here's some more money for Freelancer".
accountmadeforants: Okay, yeah, the first CitizenCon was in 2013, literally the year after they finished crowdfunding
SocraticMethod: @LordZarano HL3 was HL2: Episodes 1 through N. N was assumed to be 3.
GapFiller: wasnt there that roadmap for the roadmap earlier this year
SocraticMethod: @accountmadeforants I know, right? And salt to the wound was how they massacred the Freelancer ship ;_;
TehAmelie: a multiple storey story?
GapFiller:
!?
GapFiller:
SocraticMethod 
accountmadeforants: A game Nintendo didn't even make
accountmadeforants: It was part of their licensing deal with Philips
GapFiller: idk it has Mario and the word Hotel seems close enough
TehAmelie: i wonder how sour Shigeru is about giving those licences to Phillips
accountmadeforants: And Mario took an entire room for himself, because he is huge.
TehAmelie: he's Super Mario!
SocraticMethod:
Rhinestone Goombas are Elvis Presley-impersonating Goombas that only appear in Hotel Mario. Rhinestone Goombas are similar to regular Goombas, except for that they are faster, even faster than Mario and Luigi. https://www.mariowiki.com/Rhinestone_Goomba
EvilBadman: Switch version just launched
accountmadeforants: I've played Potionomics, it's great! I should finish that at some point
EvilBadman: I only know cause I bought Az a copy
TehAmelie: but no love potions! or at least that'd be my rule
GapFiller:
lil no the nose that
accountmadeforants: @TehAmelie I doubt they were super sour about it. The CDi games might have been bad, but not "harming the brand" bad, they're pretty endearing and family-friendly (and actually somewhat well-reviewed).
accountmadeforants: *well-reviewed at the time
TehAmelie: in a dating game about making potions, love potions existing would just be too simple. i'm Edna Modeing them
BrowneePointz: no no
accountmadeforants: The potion making is kinda similar to Battle Chef Brigade, but without the combat part and with more trading and specialized tools/cauldrons.
BrowneePointz: Buff Shark Lady/Theydy?
Invitare: @TehAmelie What if "Love Potions" actually just cause one to be honest to themselves about their own feelings for another person? That's the best justification I've got
TehAmelie: oh, you could make them ethical. but it'd still be too easy
Juliamon: create life with Death
RockPusher:
accountmadeforants: The potions are all heals, cures and buffs (defensive and offensive). Very RPG potions.
Invitare: they call it necromancy, I call it "efficient use of resources"
Juliamon: Originally you could bone Death as a bug
Juliamon: It was part of a "let's look at patch notes" story
TehAmelie: the bug to mod to patch pipeline to death lovin'
TheMerricat: And to be clear, you could do it in the previous games as well.
saiarcot895: what if you want the romance, but without the baby?
saiarcot895: or was that already in the game before?
KV1NN4: Sims 4 has waaay to much paid DLC
darkcyril: "I'm sorry Mr. Grim Reaper, I don't have my immortal soul with me. Is there any other way I could pay?"
TehAmelie: death and safe sex, the two constants
KV1NN4: and one fo the DLCs has a DLC
KV1NN4: and it's not obvious you need that first DLC
KV1NN4: (unless they've changed it sicne)
TehAmelie: by the time they get to The Sims 6 they'll probably give the whole 4 package away for free
Foxmar320: Expansions are $40 each, Packs range from $5-$10
Juliamon: The robust modding community can take care of most of that probably
TheMerricat: The total DLC cost on Steam is $1,374.17 USD at the moment.
GapFiller: wasnt this covered last week
Juliamon: not on actual Checkpoint
GapFiller: no wait thinking of Graham and Alex talkin abt it on W+P
GapFiller: cz Alex had exactly the opinion on this story yrd expect Alex to have on this story
Juliamon: Alex and Ian ended up discussing it last night too
GapFiller: Juliamon another reason to check out the vod then
RockPusher: It's be great if it was to shut down some more coal plants rather than just generating waste heat for a pointless exercise
GapFiller: (apart from seeing how the pumpkins turned out)
Juliamon: everyone's so fixated on the tech-bro and art theft aspects of AI that most people forget HOW MUCH POWER IT REQUIRES
GapFiller: Juliamon personally the environment impact is a bigger worry than the other stuff
Juliamon: yeah
GapFiller: a cynic might even argue the fixation on the tech bro art theft aspect is deliberate misdirection to keep eople looking at that side of things
fiinnnaaaaannnnnnnn: time to spin up those dysonspheres
GapFiller: always pay attention to what the other hand is doing ect
Juliamon: like sure, let's accelerate climate change for the sake of AI IN EVERYTHING
HorusFive: It's hard. But I believe in us. I think we can do it.
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jj_q: did they cover ai therapists insisting they are human?
Juliamon: my parents are pressuring me to get a new phone because my dad's is on its last legs and he wants mine as a hand-me-down... but all the phones have AI garbage in them now and I don't want to voluntarily support that by proxy
TehAmelie: the most ridiculous thing i've seen all year must be this billboard advertising milk, still the same milk you're used to, but with new art designed by AI!
mtvcdm: We've pre-boiled the oceans for you, might as well use the hallucinations right?
darkcyril: Chatbots talking to other chatbots
Juliamon: (I asked why he couldn't just buy a new phone instead, and didn't get an answer)
RockPusher: Digital Habsburgs
darkcyril: @RockPusher This is an incredible statement
Strebenherz: Asking you to get a new phone so they can get yours is... They can... not do that and get a new phone themselves?
mtvcdm: Remember that ad they had to pull where they took representations of the entire human creative experience and crushed it with a hydraulic press?
Juliamon: Strebenherz And they were going to to pay for my new phone anyway!
niccus: somewhat relatedly, Killer 7 (on steam) had a big patch today, while it added a lot of good changes, it also "upscaled" all the cutscenes by AI and some of it looks like garbage
CookieMom: Hoy hoy!
Juliamon: And the AI stuff is better for my dad anyway! He has hand tremors and uses voice commands extensively!
Strebenherz: @Juliamon Also: just security/safety, since it's a device you've used. even if they're 100% not the snooping kind of people, if they do a whoops and that device is compromised/ect
GapFiller: !venga
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RockPusher:
Foxmar320: Ive been asked twice since this came out to stream it
Foxmar320: I have not tried the mod
TheMerricat: "Just like in the original Desert Bus, Sonic will move slightly right over time. Make sure to correct Sonic's position every once in a while so as to not run off the road!"
TheMerricat: "If you want the true Desert Bus experience, complete the entire thing without boosting, as Sonic's non-boost speed is the exact same speed as the original bus in Desert Bus. You won't get anything extra, just the satisfaction of going straight for 8 hours."
Foxmar320: I don't have Frontiers on PC to try it
Mai_Andra: Chaotic Slightly-Left-of-Neutral Sonic?
Juliamon: Foxmar320 I would buy it for you to try it out
Foxmar320: Ill just wait till it's on sale
Mysticman89: clever way to get the drift
CookieMom: I do like the Doom mod, where it spawns a revenant regularly behind you and you have to punch it to death.
GapFiller: !desertbus
Juliamon: That is really clever
GapFiller: blame the clocks going back
TheAinMAP: !dbcountdown
LRRbot: Desert Bus for Hope will begin at Fri 8 Nov 03:00 PM PST (14d, 1:16 from now)
GapFiller: ChillPoint has already been shunted to Saturday right
mtvcdm: It's two weeks from now and honestly it feels two years from now
TheMerricat:
How's the quarantining working out with all this extra curricular activity going on?
EvilBadman: @mtvcdm Haha for you maybe
accountmadeforants: Big Media Company Doesn't Understand How Long Video Games Take To Make (part 43)
TehAmelie: the "AAA focus" bit sounds like a basic misunderstanding of how making games works >_>
BusTed: I know people like that.
accountmadeforants: The interesting thing about Arranger is that it was originally self-published (and still is on most platforms)
Juliamon: They Netflix'd it
Juliamon: oh are they
BrowneePointz: I've heard it's good but the color saturation change I dislike
GapFiller: seen the trailers for that on yt
TehAmelie: like it's a self-applied title that suggests a huge budget with commensurate production quality. assigning your game studio as "AAA-focused" sounds like a movie director deciding they're "Oscar focused". without having made anything
Dread_Pirate_Westley: Ranma 358/2
Mai_Andra: Ramen 1/4 pounder
SquareDotCube: "Loving your job is banned at Ubisoft"
Mai_Andra: the banger game that just released that everyone loved?
Mai_Andra: it wasn't the greatest selling game of all time, therefore it "failed to meet expectations"
ButButTheJesus: that one's on my Black Friday list. There's always too many games and I haven't had a chance for it yet.
Laserbeaks_Fury: "Fail to meet expectations" is a terrible metric to judge a game
SquareDotCube: I played the demo of it, and thought "I'll just wait until it's on sale, though that means dealing with Uplay..."
Mai_Andra: Ubisoft is almost as delusional as SquareEnix regarding "expectations"
accountmadeforants: It was a very high budget Metroidvania, and also charged 40 bucks. Which is totally fair, but you can buy like 3 "greatest of all time" Metroidvanias for that money, which unfortunately skews the value proposition.
SquareDotCube: Also Ubisoft didn't really... advertise the game...
Laserbeaks_Fury: Man, I think Skull and Bones was more valuable as a joke than what actually got released
accountmadeforants: There's a Prince of Persia roguelike in development by Evil Empire (who worked on Dead Cells for most of its lifespan)
Laserbeaks_Fury: They solved that by Super Metroid
accountmadeforants: Give me more Metroidlikes, fewer Metroidvanias.
accountmadeforants: Hollow Knight does use that "where the fuck am I" experience to incredible effect, at least.
EvilBadman: Like Hollow Knights mapping system
Mai_Andra: I still haven't really played any 'vanias. I've only played Metroids.
ButButTheJesus: RL2 is another on my backlog, I still have it via psplus I think but again, too many games, too little time
EvilBadman: @accountmadeforants high five
korvys: They know where they are because they know where they aren't
Mai_Andra: it knows the map because it knows it isn't there.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Also we get Cornifer
GapFiller: we are all hearing Cornifer humming rn aint we
accountmadeforants:
@EvilBadman 
accountmadeforants: At least it's not like the Tingle game, where you have to make the map, then sell the map, then buy the map back
TehAmelie: for a moment i thought that was referring to a Chuck Tingle game
KV1NN4: XD
EvilBadman: I had Leaf denote a korok I may go rescue, but never did :x
CookieMom: Sign dude is best NPC.
Laserbeaks_Fury: oh yeah you can share SS
Laserbeaks_Fury: and they just randomly show up in your game
Mai_Andra: oh, there's the quest objective... nevermind, it's just another dead player...
Laserbeaks_Fury: Fenyx Rising did that too
accountmadeforants: Can't have a positive working environment at Ubisoft
GapFiller: yikes
Mai_Andra:
That was the "problem" - not enough managers "adding value." 
accountmadeforants: "Yeah, we actually plan to release this game" -"What"
Laserbeaks_Fury: They were blowing the curve
accountmadeforants: @Mai_Andra Oh, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at management got a bit upset at being perceived as less popular/valuable than their underling/colleague and undermined the thing.
TehAmelie: Wake with a Vengeance
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accountmadeforants: Alan Get Out Of Bed
ButButTheJesus:
apparently added motion-aiming on PS5 as well, woooo 
TehAmelie: Alan Has Never Watched the More Sleep™ Sketch
ButButTheJesus still gets excited about motion controls
Laserbeaks_Fury: god bless Hold To Tap
accountmadeforants: @ButButTheJesus Motion-assisted aiming is rad, yeah. They finally made shooters on console playable.
EvilBadman: @Laserbeaks_Fury I instantly turn it on nowadays.
TehAmelie: as i recall supercharging your flashlight is the only thing that really hurts the monsters, so yeah
EvilBadman: Also, shame on all of us for missing the Alan Wake 2: Alarmo joke
accountmadeforants: It's more for narrowing down things, and using the joystick for bigger movement.
Juliamon: EvilBadman I thought it, but it didn't feel funny enough to type out
ButButTheJesus: it me, I played all of Resistance 3 with PSMove
kingandcommoner: I actually really liked replaying control with invulnerability. Nice way to get to the DLC and redo the story without stress
Laserbeaks_Fury: Barry would 100% pitch thaty
TehAmelie: i bet there's a story about how someone wanted to sell an alarm clock but Alan wouldn't have it
accountmadeforants: (Wheeler hates it, but he tried to use it with two separate JoyCons in BotW, which then think they're in the controller dock and get real upset.)
TehAmelie: he takes himself about as seriously as Garth Marenghi
YFiddler: there are cardboard-cutouts of him in game
Laserbeaks_Fury: X inversion seems weird but always present
accountmadeforants: Inverted relative to what! >:(
Mai_Andra: I have to have inverted y. I cannot function without it.
RatherLargeToad: invert Z
CaptainSpam: Inverted Y axis is my jam.
Laserbeaks_Fury: I also can not play without Inverted Y
Invitare: for me it depends on if I'm playing first person or third
TehAmelie: Ian and Cameron are the only ones
EvilBadman: @Laserbeaks_Fury usually for 3rd person camera games
TehAmelie: let them play together!
jessieimproved: Inverted Y for flying, regular Y for everything else
accountmadeforants: Consider: Touchscreen/trackpad scrolling is also inverted nowadays.
Invitare: In first person you control the tilt of the character's head, in third person you control the movement of the camera
ButButTheJesus: @jessieimproved same here
Mai_Andra: Inverted x makes sense if the camera is a thing floating in the world around the character, rather than the camera being the character turning.
KeytarCat: @Invitare ...those aren't different for me...
Laserbeaks_Fury: Some people are comfortable with processing the joystick as like a camera on a swivel: to pan left you would push the grip right
TehAmelie: basically, all games should be Super Mario 64
Invitare: @KeytarCat If you look up, the head tilts up but the camera moves down
ButButTheJesus: I was with Ian until TDU2 had a first person mode that you could not invert (back on PS3), and the brief minutes playing that was somehow enough to convince me "eh I'll switch to "normal" now I guess"
korvys: I understand the argument that you're "piloting" your head in FPSs, but that's not my conceptual model - I am *directing* my character's aim, not directly controlling their body
ButButTheJesus: yeah I remember 12
LordZarano: Inverted Y for 3rd person with a controller
accountmadeforants: Fully inverted is like, if you had a stick attached to the camera that was out beyond the controller. It makes physical sense to me.
KeytarCat: beyond good and evil had inverted controls, but only both/neither
Juliamon: Last time it was "well that'll be leaked immediately" and, well, it sure was
Laserbeaks_Fury: Ultimately, the point is people are different and having options is good
RatherLargeToad: they get knocked down, and do not get up again
ButButTheJesus:
@Laserbeaks_Fury 
TheMerricat: I had to answer the door chat, what is the current story they are discussing?
RatherLargeToad: The anti-chumbawumba
Juliamon: TheMerricat the Nintendo early access thing
Laserbeaks_Fury: Spore is like that, stuff you make shows up in ther peoples games
TheMerricat: @Juliamon Thanks!
RatherLargeToad: I suspect all the assets are placeholder
Juliamon: It was a mystery box. It wasn't a boat.
ButButTheJesus: !box
LRRbot: In the box is: highly experienced furniture yeeters
ButButTheJesus: that could be fun
RatherLargeToad: or a “game” that they made just for testing network things
GapFiller: the Discord was just the icing on that cake
Juliamon: Denuvo says "we're gamers therefore we know you just don't understand"
accountmadeforants: @LRRbot I'm just picturing a bunch of movers stuffing themselves in one of the moving boxes. The driver unloads and unpacks it and they immediately flow out and start yeeting.
Juliamon: [citation needed]
RockPusher: something something persons understanding tied to their job something something
Lord_Hosk: The Citation is... they said so, what more do you want Juliamon its their potential money
TehAmelie: as someone who's been nerding out about videogames since 1992, i would be immediately suspicious of someone who describes themselves as a "gamer"
korvys: Yeah, that argument might have held more weight before the last few years of massively successful teams getting laid off...
Laserbeaks_Fury: nah, I'm 50. I grew up with games with 0 after market updates. They just went on and made new games.
TheMerricat: @TehAmelie Of a C-suite person in general attempting to tell you, I'm just like you! I get you!
RockPusher: "how our solution works", so that would be badly?
Mai_Andra: Yeah, I don't want you to keep updating this game forever. I already played it. I've moved on to something else.
squ3e: !next
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SocraticMethod: TBH Tekken 7 was a case of game dev implementing library incorrectly
TheMerricat: @Laserbeaks_Fury To be fair, there were a number of games back then that 1. could have used an update post release, 2. actually did get updates post release and the fixes were either 'call in and ask for an updated disk' or later on 'download a patch from out website'.
RockPusher: anti-cheat is at least trying to solve an actual, objectively present, problem
Laserbeaks_Fury: Yeah, but if creators keep fiddling with something they make forever, you get Star Wars Special Editions
RockPusher: and are they factoring in revenue lost from people who refuse to buy anything with denuvo
LordZarano: Frequently adding anti-piracy software makes it better to pirate the game than to buy it, because the pirates strip out the anti-piracy software
TehAmelie: i'm like, stop making No Man's Sky i love it and i want to play it sometime
kaboomjr26: !next
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SocraticMethod: @LordZarano The problem is that Denuvo can't be pirated
Lord_Hosk: No Heather, every single person who wants a game, WOULD Have purchased it for full retail price, if piracy was not an option. Not a single one of them would have borrowed it from a friend, bought it on sale, or bought it second hand.
TheMerricat:
@SocraticMethod
CookieMom: Apparently they're making hardware for cheat enabling now.
Laserbeaks_Fury:
Just wait for the Steam Sale
Laserbeaks_Fury: Cheating is even in the game anymore. Have you seen the smart TVs that have cheating apps?
TehAmelie: i used to buy so many used SNES games
ButButTheJesus: @Laserbeaks_Fury TIL
TheAinMAP: !
niccus: people are unhappy in destiny, too
korvys: Unprecedented!
LordZarano:
EvilBadman: If Paul Tassi is alive, someone is still hating on Destiny 2
SocraticMethod: Tassi is a "Forbes Contributor", which is closer to opinion column or a blog
korvys: Forbes is basically a blog you can pay for, these days
Juliamon: There's an issue that keeps recurring, and it's not Telesto
EvilBadman: Forbes' wrestling contributor is the weirdest wwe tralist I've ever seen
EvilBadman: tribalist*
SquareDotCube: @Juliamon Destiny 2 Bug Reporting Process, Step 1: Is it Telesto?
korvys: @EvilBadman Yeah, again, because he doesn't work *for* Forbes, he pays Forbes to let him post on their site
RatherLargeToad: either that or Spiders Georg is getting all the drops instead
Laserbeaks_Fury: Telesto is the gun that shots the sticky orbs, ye?
EvilBadman: @korvys yarp
SocraticMethod: @Laserbeaks_Fury yep
TehAmelie: Guns Speorg, who lives in a loot cave. . .
Laserbeaks_Fury:
lol as if a near impossible roll stopped people from farming
RatherLargeToad: you could just not spend forever trying for edge case loot drops
SocraticMethod: There is even newer update to that
Darker_XP: yo yo yo
Lord_Hosk: The Destiny Two team responded and said "Im sorry, the person who was looking into this was sacked... and the person who replaced them was sacked... and yeah you guessed it, sacked too..."
RatherLargeToad: I’m sure the sub-optimal guns shoot good too
TehAmelie: running simulated games at infinite speed to test your loot tables, eh
Laserbeaks_Fury: Damnit I was trying to work out a good Holy Grail saccing joke
TheMerricat: "Re: "Can we get a deeper breakdown of the issue?" We'd love to. For right now, we're focusing on fixing up the issue and getting it out to you. After, we'll be sitting down with the team to discuss all the nitty-gritty details."
Lord_Hosk: Sorry Laserbeaks_Fury
Laserbeaks_Fury: What's important was someone got there
TehAmelie: i was kind of over chasing random drops when DIablo 2 started doing it. ah, from D2 to D2
SocraticMethod: The reason it was hard to find was because there are two perks per gun. The probability of each perk by itself is random, but probabability if you have perk A then you get perk B was not. So if Bungie was testing the perk RNG independently it wouldn't have been detected
Juliamon: add a jira ticket
Laserbeaks_Fury: All of my D2 memories are exclusively Baal runs
SocraticMethod: They have, dmg04
EvilBadman: No, they fired a lot of the CMs last year, remember? LD
SocraticMethod: They used to have entire CM team, but it was fired and outsourced to Sony
GapFiller: right this
Laserbeaks_Fury: "Community Manager" has always had the ring of "Cat Wrangler" to me
Juliamon: Never have seen that badge. Wonder why.
TehAmelie: ooh, i should get a badge for my itch .io "game"
TheMerricat: "Developer Organizations 19 allow multiple Twitch accounts to collectively manage game categories, Extensions, Drops campaigns, and more including the visibility of the game developer chat badge. The increased volume of organization requests as a result of the chat badge, both legitimate and illegitimate, contributed to a noticeable delay in our reviews and an increasingly difficult-to-manage queue."
Getter404: So they saw that it'd require actual human oversight and scrapped it?
TehAmelie: curses
Laserbeaks_Fury: It would be nice if devs could get a badge in channels that are set to their games
TheMerricat: @Laserbeaks_Fury That was exactly what this was.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Oh I thought this was just a general badge
LizzyTPau:
This is SUCH a Twitch thing 
Laserbeaks_Fury: Turns out people keep making games
Juliamon: They never had the resources to begin with, let's be real here
accountmadeforants: I wonder if they can reduce churn somewhat for self-published people by connecting up to Steam pages, and for published people by collaborating with publishers.
Getter404: My mistake, they're trying to annoy people into not trying. The tried & true Amazon method
LizzyTPau: Poorly thought out and willing to bet, limited budget
TehAmelie: i guess the Man decides what's legitimate games
LizzyTPau: "Its your fault the list is too long" "But you could give more resources to it to fix it" "ITS THE FAULT OF THE PEOPLE"
LordZarano: With both this and social media account verification it really makes me wonder how noone has noticed that this is a solved problem. Certificate authorities figured out how to verify ownership and organisations years ago
TheMerricat: The sad thing is, proving ownership of a game could have been automated for 99% of game, just have one of those deals where you have to put in a secret 'invisible' code into the Steam/itch.io description page to prove you are you and then the only ones you have to review are ones that aren't on a verafable store front.
LordZarano: For https
GapFiller: OH THIS
accountmadeforants: That looks like a SF6 character
Strebenherz: *concern*
mtvcdm: a 'hot dog'
Laserbeaks_Fury: it's a wiener
GapFiller: speaking of SexPoint
accountmadeforants: @TheMerricat Yeah, that was what I was thinking of, too
mtvcdm: A hot dog with a mushroomed tip
KV1NN4: yeah i thoguht this was a fan-made experience... either wya, bbig lore
KV1NN4: a bit conoluted tho, if you ask me >.>;
gnyrinn: That is NOT a hot dog. Who tried to convince anyone that this was a hot dog?
accountmadeforants: @accountmadeforants And for console games (which are usually published), the publisher could just set up a record on their website.
mtvcdm: Funny the bun and the mustard are the same color as the hot dog isn't it
TehAmelie: a hot dog with bun made out of chicken nugget slurry is what i'm thinking
Getter404: Knit cap?
ButButTheJesus: ohhh
LizzyTPau: Going gonna push that TTP button if given the chance
SquareDotCube: gee, who would've guess
Laserbeaks_Fury: I mean, this is just the eqivalent of people drawing dongs in Drawful
GapFiller: so much better
TheMerricat: that DOES NOT look better.
SocraticMethod: Somehow that looks even more cursed
Getter404: Canadian meals? Tell me more
ButButTheJesus: yeah that could be something too
TheMerricat: Now you just gave the penis,. balls.
Lord_Hosk: That was the ONE thing bad with roblox
SquareDotCube: We have removed your phallic comedy for... cake.
SocraticMethod: Like two giant beach balls under a top
GapFiller: well put Paul
Juliamon: people have been drawing dongs since the dawn of time
GapFiller: Rule 34 ect ect
TheMerricat: Good Game.
Laserbeaks_Fury: "Amazing Chest Ahead"
TheMerricat: Opps.
Lord_Hosk: As Thor from Pirate software calls it... The TTD... If you give players the ability to draw, or change the environment... there is a countdown Time to
Strebenherz: "Good job! Good game!"
an_archist2: new heather quote?
Strebenherz: I give it 24 hours after it's brought back, before they take it down again
accountmadeforants: They've added more things since. But yeah, "Your turn" and "Good game" are real powerful. The wild thing is they originally removed Thanks because apparently that's a troll thing in Hearthstone. People are fucking weird. (And then they added it back, but only in response to the other player saying Nice!)
gnyrinn: "he he couple the hot dog."
Strebenherz: @accountmadeforants reminds me of voice lines in smite >_>
Juliamon: eggplant emoji
accountmadeforants: 🍆 🍑
SocraticMethod: That's all well and good, but then they will start coloring the hotdog dark brown
CookieMom: Oh Whomps. I love Whomps.
GapFiller: remove speech and people will sign lewd instead
Getter404: Like how people have gone from "in Minecraft" to "un alive" to "desync" to dodge algorithms
SquareDotCube: More media/content companies really should research Barbara Straisand
Laserbeaks_Fury: is there a word for that like a skeuomorph
ButButTheJesus: heheh butts
accountmadeforants: @Strebenherz Hi-Rez had the perfect voice system in Tribes Ascend. Get The- Shazbot! I'm on the- Shazbot!
accountmadeforants: (Then again, VGS was also in the original Tribes games, so they didn't have to innovate much)
an_archist2: brown
Getter404: Beige
TehAmelie: a healthy yellowish green
dumbo3k: Raibow
dumbo3k: Rainbow*
SquareDotCube: Green. It's a cucumber!
SocraticMethod: Mark Hamill joker purple
LizzyTPau: Brown hot dog, black hat
Strebenherz: @accountmadeforants never played, i'll have to check that out sometime
Mai_Andra:
people say things like "crap" and "rats" and "doggonit" all the time, and then throw the biggest hissy fit when other people "swear"... 
TheMerricat:
@Strebenherz You might find that difficult, it was a online shooter from way way back. I think they released the games for free download a decade ago? But all the players who would be playing now are... well lets just say they became the matrix.
Marvoleath: !store
KaleidoscopeMind: not everyone wants an XS
Lord_Hosk: And then they end up in Hosk's basement
GapFiller: wearing my Wiiplay shirt rn feels relevant somehow
TehAmelie: we'll call em Octhony
Juliamon: Lord_Hosk Are there any left? Will they be coming home?
accountmadeforants: @TheMerricat TheMerricat *Ascend* being the one "from way way back" is upsetting, how dare you.
TheAinMAP:
Marvoleath: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Bonus Stream (Join Paul and Heather for a Bonus LumBEARjack stream! Game: Lumbearjack) at Fri 05:00 PM PDT (1:11 from now).
gnyrinn: I think an octopus wearing the WiiPlay shirt would be a nightmare-inducing sight.
GapFiller: Lord_Hosk ngl mines getting kinda worn after 13 odd years of wear
TheMerricat:
@accountmadeforants Look, when you fondly remember playing E.T. for the Atari 2600 you start to loose track of when the upstart games that came after came out.
Lord_Hosk: Yes, and Ironicly, yes... Not many though and I have a plan, I just got too busy to do it before I moved Juliamon
darkcyril: We've armed the bear.
Marvoleath:
Hyped for Heather and Paul stream 
TehAmelie: it's a bear! and he's got a gun!
EvilBadman: they're all too busy opening Playtest cards referencing themselves
Marvoleath: !schedule
Getter404: Is the hat magical?
TehAmelie: hypothesis: every game where you are a bear is magical
Astramentha: V O I D
GapFiller: VOID RHYTHM
Lord_Hosk: I think we have like 40 or 50 ish shirts left, all small and extra small wiiplay and talk like a pirate.
TheAinMAP:
ButButTheJesus: can you keep rhythm with V O I D
Dread_Pirate_Westley: Even if it isn't an empty void, they might tell you it is. House of Lies, you know.
Lord_Hosk: I shipped out over 200 so most are gone
KaleidoscopeMind: is the final boss 4 stages long?
mtvcdm: I looked up, apparently it's a game that supports multiple playthroughs, so
accountmadeforants:
Yeah, she's golden 
LizzyTPau: Spoopy games!
ButButTheJesus: Bite Club!
accountmadeforants: Hype hype hype
Invitare: Heather, and just Heather
KV1NN4: so excited!
Invitare: Only Heather
TehAmelie: Heather "Exit Strategy" Deery
GapFiller:
TEETH
Earthenone: not a drop to 3nk
Juliamon: Will there be side-stories this time?
Juliamon: I enjoyed seeing everyone playing different characters
Juliamon: POG
ImmortalLen: I assume the sides stories won't be given all at once again
dumbo3k: Always Split the Party!
TheAinMAP: Splitting the party?
Dread_Pirate_Westley: It sounds like the side stories may have side stories.
ButButTheJesus: TPK?
accountmadeforants: Using splitting the party as an excuse for players to RP as different characters is always cool.
accountmadeforants: (Provided everyone is on-board)
ButButTheJesus: spays mahraine
TehAmelie: who knows what will come back?
KaleidoscopeMind: could be more putt putt
Getter404: Still a *little* sad that we got baited with all the Arkham in the seasonal intro
Lord_Hosk: BLAGGG-ohhhhhlll
GapFiller: YES MY GRAPE KEEPER!
ImmortalLen: You keep saying that
TheMerricat:
ButButTheJesus: neat
Getter404: Sup Baron, I can dig it
Marvoleath: Atmosflrr coming in 2025!
TheAinMAP: Have you ever said "this is the last one" before?
TheAinMAP: It just keeps going and going...
gnyrinn: CGI Gatekeeper? I wanted a Frenchman in overdone makeup.
xantos69: If you ran a kickstarted for Just Adam to be the gatekeeper and yell at people. I would kick in $100 for that.
Earthenone: Appmosphear
Lord_Hosk: If it exists... it must be considered large
TehAmelie: it's what they have when they're all on strike from Ubisoft
Earthenone: Studio Eh
accountmadeforants:
I was briefly at a rental home in the French-speaking region of Belgium for work, and they had Atmosfear in a games cubby. Sadly nobody was up for playing it. 
ButButTheJesus: der bus kommt!
jpost042: bus demands blood
TheAinMAP: !venga
LRRbot: Turn down for BUS!
xantos69:
50 Bits
dumbo3k: Hi!
TheAinMAP:
TheAinMAP:
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
TehAmelie: maybe a whole force of bears?
DeM0nFiRe:
o/
Mai_Andra: da... bears.
dumbo3k: At least 1 bear, with at least 1 axe
TheAinMAP: !dbcountdown
LRRbot: Desert Bus for Hope will begin at Fri 8 Nov 03:00 PM PST (14d, 0:00 from now)
breadisbest1: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Bonus Stream (Join Paul and Heather for a Bonus LumBEARjack stream! Game: Lumbearjack) at Fri 05:00 PM PDT (1:00 from now).
TheAinMAP: One fortnight remains.
accountmadeforants: I should grab a bear, I mean beer
KaleidoscopeMind: was briefly confused by how the DB start made sense time zone wise, then remembered daylight savings
TheAinMAP: I've been tripped up by that before.
NeoGabi: @LRRbot YISSSSSSSS
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