saucemaster5000: The fighting game community HAD a bad reputation... like over a decade ago
Sethalidos: true the bad ones are just really loud
Mr_Horrible: @drizztnailo it's not unique to tekken. This is just playing Lightning Arrow on leaguestart
LowUpsideCJ: I can’t speak to it because my fighting game community is this one
PorpoisesUnknown: Adam "Kinda Unc"
YFiddler: what's that mean?
drizztnailo: unc but the younger brother to the parent kind of unc
ContingentCat: short for uncle as I understand
ExtraWubs: its a photo a day but its a clip from every stream
PorpoisesUnknown: In your heart no. In actuality yes
TXC2: unc was black slang for older man
Mr_Horrible: EVERY Jamie move is a "you dare?"
Mr_Horrible: that character is pure belligerence
drizztnailo: sending jamie back to AA
PorpoisesUnknown: Love me a drunken fist fighter
LowUpsideCJ: I hope Alex gets a headbutt version of Jamie’s command grab
Mr_Horrible: YEEAOW is definitely gonna be in there
Sethalidos: did his hair just spontaneously upbraid?
HorusFive: "Whenever the GameHaus isn't on screen..." lives rent free in my head for years
drizztnailo: @Mr_Horrible that one is a banger
saucemaster5000: YEEEEEAOW
Mr_Horrible: @drizztnailo irl tom & jerry noise
Mr_Horrible: the batting cages were tight
PorpoisesUnknown: Nice Nell!
PorpoisesUnknown: Nelly*
Mr_Horrible: did you ever run into Mr Shakedown before you stopped? I don't remember
HorusFive: from Persona "How good can he be FROM THE BENCH!"
PorpoisesUnknown: this seems like a good one to end on
Mr_Horrible: Yomi the card game
Mr_Horrible:
gettin' those bounce combos 
Mr_Horrible: my man looking clean
PorpoisesUnknown: Nice job Nelly!
MrSarkhan:
PorpoisesUnknown: MLAO
BusTed:
Mr_Horrible: that's the thing tho, Nelly - when you know where you can punish, you're doing it. That's synthesis
Mr_Horrible:
developing the 
instincts
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TXC2: use a tooth pick for that
Mr_Horrible: looks like a relic from a bog
30teracyte: my haute is real gross, i need to unscrew it and clean out the inside
PorpoisesUnknown: Thanks y'all!
30teracyte: the downside to transparent plastic
TXC2: thanks for streaming Adam and Nelson
Mr_Horrible: I mean that's also the YT signoff, they don't do linear time over there
ContingentCat:
thanks lads 
ContingentCat: !next
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Mr_Horrible:
thanks for the show, lads 
TXC2: DLS happens for UK this Sunday anyway
TXC2: !discord
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TXC2: !events
RockPusher: !search for treasure
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ContingentCat: !advice
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Sethalidos: !next
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TXC2: title change
RockPusher cleverly steps over the pit trap, exclaims his genius, then falls into a pit trap
gnyrinn: @RockPusher Playing HeroQuest, are we?
TXC2: CONTACT
prince_of_panda_: hi all
TXC2:
cool that the timer for the stream can proc, but not the stream its self 
TXC2: also no music?
TheMerricat:
Thank you for confirming no audio, I've made the mistake of leaving my headphones plugged in and/or stream muted all week now and was afraid to ask. 
Juliamon: a mountain so secluded we cannot hear it
Juliamon: oh, there it is
TXC2: ah there it is
prince_of_panda_: now that a tune
RockPusher: !quote beej
LRRbot: Quote #3501: "There's a lot of boobs on this other thing." —Beej [2016-10-10]
prince_of_panda_: is plop plunk a music genee?
TXC2: probably
TheMerricat:
Chat I come to you with today's strange ask in my efforts to try to make tea palitable to me (it's TOO WATERY tasting 
) Would you add dry milk powder to green teas?
TXC2: TODAY!
TheMerricat:
Juliamon: TheMerricat It's worth a try? I think condensed milk would be better though
TXC2:
with my wi-fi it'll be more like 3
EvilBadman: Please repeat that in french
TXC2: think of it as science
niccus: pickle brine
RockPusher: This disc only reads at 1x speed‽ How '90s
TXC2: where we spill the tea
RockPusher: Well now the video game news is full of tea
TheMerricat:
And thanks chat and LRRTeam.
Juliamon: Derail WR?
RockPusher: Huzzah for clothing!
TheMerricat:
Immediate report back chat... it tastes MUCH better. Thanks.
LordZarano: Is Beej cosplaying as the Twitch CEO?
Juliamon: WOO
TheMerricat:
@LordZarano No straw hat. 
RubikDarkwill: That the costumes, not a personal closet
ShaneLeeAtk: I have on the same hoodie!
TXC2: the LRR 20 hoodie is the only one I have, so I assume it's good
Juliamon: yeah I hate ribbed sleeve ends
TXC2: UNIONS FOREVER!
kingandcommoner: @LordZarano The twich ceo actually cosplays as Beej
RubikDarkwill: Go Erika!
gnyrinn: I wonder if the spads are in this union. That would be quite funny.
TXC2: like squatters, but it's the government so it's "fine"
RockPusher:
sometimes the honking is just Ian making a vuvuzela out of a flag 
ContingentCat: really most the honking I hear is the streetcar telling drivers to get out of the way
niccus: two sharp honks mean the truck is going downwards
TheMerricat: two sharp beeps means :wake up the light changed you idiot".
TXC2:
every car to have a twitch soundboard 
RockPusher: That was a good Philip Glass impression there Beej
TXC2: you don't get horns in the centre of the wheel any more because of airbags
ContingentCat: @TXC2 seems the right order for their priorities to be in
gnyrinn: @TXC2 I'm 99% certain that you can have both
TXC2: gnyrinn it's what I was told 20 ish years ago, plenty of time for things to change I guess
TXC2: ContingentCat indeed
kingandcommoner: What are you talking about? Gravity Rush was a Vita exclusive and Kat was the first DLC in PS All Stars! Of course they remember the Vita
RockPusher: A portable Sony gaming system - The Sony Gameman
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kingandcommoner: It's almost like the PS4 was one of the best consoles we've gotten in the last 20 years
TheMerricat: @TXC2 I think these days since the horn is just a closed contact for a circuit now, they've moved them back to the center with a 'cushion' covering it to give you the squishy 'I'm doing something' feeling.
LordZarano: Like a Steam Deck where you can use Remote Play or Moonlight to play games from your PC, or you can use it independently
HorusFive:
Imagine not wanting to spend $600+ for the cutting edge of gaming in this economy 
TXC2: TheMerricat ah, fair enough
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accountmadeforants: @LordZarano Sunlight+Moonlight is so very good, truly absurd how low the latency is.
accountmadeforants: *Sunshine
Invitare: Returnal?
Diabore: dark cloud 2 was spheda
TheMerricat: @accountmadeforants And the fact that you can install the client on so many different devices now a days making anything a 'steam deck' as long as it can handle the network and video refresh requirements.
JadedCynic: Returnal
TXC2: hello garetjax229 welcome
accountmadeforants: @TheMerricat Oh yeah, I have a Samsung TV. And while there's no official app, you can recompile and sideload the WebOS version and it works flawlessly. (Up to a certain bitrate. Past 35 Mbps things start getting wonky. But that's plenty for 4k60 or 1080p120)
HorusFive: Better get it now, before they raise the price again (says nobody)
TheMerricat:
accountmadeforants: "I just hate the number 5"
TheMerricat: Buy a used one.
RockPusher:
If you are a genshin whale then surely that means you can no longer afford a PS5 having spent *all* your money on waifus? 
TXC2:
people are either odd number playstations or even numbered
JadedCynic:
NICE segue, Paul 
Juliamon: The story on Checkpoint is only the tip of the shitberg
TheMerricat: Apparently Dashcon 2 happened AND wasn't a trashfire. Just saying....
ButButTheJesus: I still need to watch/read what happened, I've been mostly offline and heard Its Bad ™
gnyrinn: I hope it isn't. That way it would be an easy fix
JadedCynic: *looks at Twitch Interactive moderation history* Gee, I'm sure they can handle managing a live event JUST FINE.
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SocraticMethod: Wasn't it different group for Dashcon 2?
HorusFive: The fact that they didn't have a plan (in evidence) for a Live Greating event going wrong is pretty damning on its own
Juliamon: Go back to FyreFest
HorusFive:
@Juliamon 
JadedCynic: I mean, Nelson didn't have the time to list ALL the debacles that have happened at TwitchCon over the years; just the most recent ones...
HorusFive: They announced a Fyre Fest 2
HorusFive: It didn't happen- but they tried
TheMerricat: @HorusFive It was supposed to happen this past summer and they only sold 500 tickets of the 1800
JadedCynic: wait, Fyre Festival was put on by a cryptoBro, right?
HorusFive: @TheMerricat The fact they felt the name was worth using at all is the interesting part to me
DoodlestheGreat: I remember seeing you folks at Twitchcon in Long Beach, and THAT one was such a clusterfuck I haven't gone since.
SquareDotCube: Dashcon was pretty much a good lesson at the time of how there was an ignored market of largely broke Millenials who grew up on the market to meet up. While GenCon did exist you had to pay a high price to get a pass.
TheMerricat: @HorusFive Here's a hint. The organizer ALSO was working with Netfllix on a Fryefest documentary...
SquareDotCube: Also add that this was the Midwest, again largely ignored by the con space
SquareDotCube: *grew up on the Internet
JackalCostuming: Hello all
TXC2: hello JackalCostuming welcome
RockPusher: Indeed, the talent themselves will have a decent idea of what the threats are
mtvcdm: Twitch has been running this con for years and they keep running into very preventable Issues. They just do not know how to do this.
RubikDarkwill: The E3 problem
TXC2: imagine if PAX was having these problems 10 years in
mtvcdm: I've never had any faith in Twitch's ability to competently and safely run TwitchCon and they've never given me reason to give them faith.
RockPusher:
So, LRRCon 2 when?
JadedCynic: Gee, it's almost like a company with staff dedicated to the establishment and maintenance of a online streaming service might NOT have transferrable skills to live event management...
SocraticMethod: According to some streamer comments it was a offline meetup for online friends
TheMerricat:
@RockPusher 
DoodlestheGreat: And the reason a lot of them went online is because they were too shy to go out in public.
SocraticMethod: and/or networking event
SquareDotCube: TwitchCon might need to be - and force itself to be - much smaller so it can focus. Maybe this is the kind of thing where instead of fans, it's strictly focused on inviting and hosting streamers, not viewers.
JadedCynic: @mtvcdm yeah, if they say "we hired <established firm in event management>" and then I might give TwitchCon ANY creedence as anything other than "debacle waiting to happen"
DoodlestheGreat: Streamers and professionals who can help them outside of streaming.
TheMerricat: So chat, asking not expecting anyone to know the answer but... If you go to a "normal" con, if there is a meet and greet, the greeters normally get fee for that, do streamer?
JadedCynic: @SquareDotCube yes - and here's a hot take: NOT EVERY EVENT HAS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. As a taxi driver I can tell you there are TONS of 'industry conferences/conventions' that are closed to the public...TwitchCon can be that (and then they have something ELSE for the fans run differently and indepenedently )
TehAmelie: not that i know but i'm guessing it depends on the con's finances
TheMerricat: It feels very much like Twitch has assumed Streamers are just free product they are selling to everyone.
mtvcdm: That's the thing though, when your product is off telling your customers how awful your convention is
HorusFive: Smaller streamer- which can be read as "Competitor"
JadedCynic: @TheMerricat OOohhh, like some corollary to "If there's no fee, you're not a customer, you're the product"
RockPusher: I do feel bad for the hypothetical people who give a shit working for Twitch on con stuff who have been arguing for years for budget to address the issues and keep getting stonewalled by management
kingandcommoner: Got that Small Subcount Energy
RockPusher: 'cause that is a scenario I find plausable
ContingentCat: have a seperate event for IRL
TXC2:
people have live streamed in toilets at these cons, to hell with that
RubikDarkwill: Did someone IRL stream in a bathroom last year?
DoodlestheGreat: Yeah, the vtubers REALLY don't want to have their faces broadcast.
HorusFive: Letting people wear masks through a security line- also- causes some issues. But yes- no handled well
JadedCynic: and this wasn't the FIRST time they invited him, and they STILL haven't learned
TheMerricat: @RockPusher I would feel more sorry for them if the story wasn't that the staff at the con were blase about what happened in BOTH stories. It's one thing to not have the money to do it right, it's another thing to be indifferent when it hits the fan.
mtvcdm: After 10 years your benefit of the doubt is looooooong, long gone.
DoodlestheGreat: @HorusFive They'd want to make some arrangements for a seperate line for those folks.
TheMerricat: @RubikDarkwill Other than Dr. Horrible?
HorusFive: @DoodlestheGreat As if they should have professionals handling security or something
JadedCynic: @TheMerricat Twitch's reaction to these (and MORE) incidents is the most damning thing about this
LordZarano: As a viewer I would much rather meet streamers at a shared interest event like PAX where there is more to do than only meeting streamers
Laserbeaks_Fury: We do already have remote units for Vtubers, we could go hard into that and let folks attend remotely.
HorusFive: At what point does Daddy-Amazon step in and say "this is more trouble than it's worth"
JadedCynic: @HorusFive "b-but! That would COST MONEY!!! Jeff would....*whimpers* TALK TO US!"
Juliamon: HorusFive Presumably once ticket sales fall below a certain number
SocraticMethod: @TheMerricat Dr.D was banned from E3, not twitchcon
HorusFive: @Juliamon Or the civil payout with this criminal case hits the news
TheMerricat:
@SocraticMethod Doh, shows how little I care about him I couldn't even remember his name.
RockPusher:
hire Heather to run your conventions 
DoodlestheGreat: Then there's Anime Expo, which handled such issues with 400K+ attendees. Maybe learn a bit from them?
JadedCynic: @HorusFive it's been ten years, and scandals happen there almost annually; by this point I'd have thought Big Daddy Bezos would have acted....if he CARED.
Juliamon: DoodlestheGreat AX is not without its own debacles, including human rights issues
JadedCynic: "That happens" is one step above to "boys will be boys"
TXC2:
"this year they'll have fix it for sure!"
Ms_LadyMix: I know streamers who can't not go to Twitch Con, it leads to too many opportunities.
HorusFive: We know what you do Friday nights, Beej. You're on camera
JadedCynic: Beej? You're describing the recipe for 'exploitation'
RatherLargeToad: There is no problem in Twitch Sing Se
mtvcdm: I feel at this point Desert Bus is *accidentally* a better streamer convention than TwitchCon is and Desert Bus doesn't even have 'streamer convention' anywhere near its list of competencies or priorities.
TheMerricat: So when do we get the unaffiliated "anti-Twitch" Twitchcon from dissatisfied streamers.
Anubis169: CohhCarnage (if any don't know him, he's one of the old guard and prolly the hardest working guy on this site) put out a message saying he's boycotting TwitchCon until they prevent people using him as IRL streaming content inside the con.
JadedCynic: sounds like Mary Kay or Amway...
HorusFive: @mtvcdm The big difference is- DB is specifically not open to the public IRL
RockPusher: Multi-Level Moccasins
Anubis169: Sprint!
JadedCynic:
PRAISE to cameron (and all of you) for presenting that story!
mtvcdm: @HorusFive Yeah and that's an improvement on what TwitchCon's doing
DoodlestheGreat: @Anubis169 Pretty sure itmeJP's made the same decision.
TheMerricat: Chat, did you know there were over 30 video game consoles released (not counting Pong and Pong variants) _before_ the Atari 2600? The big thing that made the 2600 so great was cartrigdges....
Anubis169: I played one from that era, but had to go to a friend's house to do it
mtvcdm: I think I might have passingly played an Intellivision at Midwest Gaming Classic
Anubis169: they were SO expensive!
NoSpoonsLeftOnlyKnives: I crumble to dust with you, Beej. You are not alone.
JadedCynic: I don't feel well, Mr. Saunders *trns to dust*
ButButTheJesus: i was bebbeh
HorusFive: I remember my 2600, and my back hurts
kingandcommoner: feels like the same spiel we hear every time Atari does somethin
JadedCynic:
Show me Jack Tramiel holding signing the purchase agreement, otherswise it's not the same thing
TXC2:
when are they gonna release one of these thing for the Amstrad?
DoodlestheGreat: My family had a Sears branded 2600 and get off my lawn!
JadedCynic:
Hi!
JadedCynic: yeah, Coleco got a start making the handheld "electronic football' games and the like
gnyrinn: Did we get a clean take of that Heather?
artdecosunburn: The joke among historians is about Atari Democrats and Colecovision Republicans.
ButButTheJesus: my young mind understood Atari as the "Nintendo" before Nintendo
RockPusher:
Careful, if we tell Beej he was right he might think he was right 
JadedCynic: *sighs in veteran of The First Console War*
ContingentCat: the education homeschooled kids miss out on
TheMerricat: @ButButTheJesus This would be a correct take.
JessieImproved: I was just like 5 and excited to get an NES
mtvcdm: We did have a 2600 in the house. I think the first ever game I played may have been either Combat or 3D Tic Tac Toe.
artdecosunburn: @JadedCynic Last vestige of the conglomerates. Samsonite used to make board games in addition to luggage.
mtvcdm: Sega does what Nintendon't
DoodlestheGreat: The marketing wasn't as focused on an adversarial relation between the consoles.
TXC2: "your mom will hate this game!"
gnyrinn: In that way it did what Nintendin't.
JadedCynic: @artdecosunburn Coleco had transitioned from leather goods into toys - they'd released the wildly famous Cabbage Patch Kids dolls...
RatherLargeToad:
JadedCynic:
love our shibbolleths in the LRRdom
RockPusher: We had what I believe was a knock-off 2600 with a bunch of built-in games which were clones and/or copies with the brands filed off
artdecosunburn: Think about how the rival companies are portrayed in the original "Tron." That's about how people received rivalries among firms.
TheMerricat: Not Atari ST, the Atari 800
LordZarano: The entire reason that Sonic exists is as a marketing to show that the Sega was "faster" than the Nintendo
TheMerricat: The Atari ST was against the Amiga and Macs.
BlackIsis: @artdecosunburn racing each other with light cycles?
JadedCynic: @DoodlestheGreat I mean, Mattel had George Plimpton (documentary host) doing prime time ads talking about how much better the Intellevision was compared to the Atari 2600
EvilBadman: Hey the console wars are over now, PS5's getting a newly announced Halo:CE remake
artdecosunburn: @BlackIsis Early Microsoft was essentially Bill Gates hubcappping other start ups from Albuquerque.
artdecosunburn: @JadedCynic "Noted sportsman George Plimpton."
JadedCynic: @TheMerricat yes. Apple II/C64/Atari 400(800) was the 8bit generation; the Atari ST/Apple Mac/Amiga was the 16-but gen
TheDevil_Risen: first PC my fam got was 4500, my latest PC was the same
glitched_goddess: i know a lot about arm chair inflation
kingandcommoner: Inflation not affecting non-essential goods is a good thin actually
Laserbeaks_Fury: You could also buy a home back then
gnyrinn: Let's measure it in terms of "% of (wages-cost of housing)"
MajorFrostbyte: My first console was an Atari 5200. So much Frogger played
JadedCynic: @TheDevil_Risen ouch; our first MS-Dos machine was 800$ - we spent maybe another 500$ in upgrades (more ram, hard drive)
TheDevil_Risen:
lucky i got my final tax return when i did because that windows update that was in the news bricked my old PC'd SSD 
Anubis169: and now a Raspberry Pi costs $35
RatherLargeToad: I remember buying Final Fantasy 3 for the SNES in the 90s for $72 not adjusted for inflation. Electronics prices can be strange
TheDevil_Risen: yeah not sure what grandma's 486 was
TXC2: TheDevil_Risen oof
artdecosunburn: @kingandcommoner It's partly the inversion of labor and durable goods. In 1920 it was cheaper to have a live in servant than to buy a car.
TheDevil_Risen: my first "family" pc was a pentium D
Marvoleath: you need to provide the circus, when bread gets too expensive
TheMerricat: @JadedCynic Jack Tramiel specifically purchased Atari to make the Atari ST as a fuck you to Commadore to take on the Amiga to when he got backstabbed and lost the company. Then Apple kneecapped the Atari ST by sueing them for 'stealing' the look and feel of the desktop.
Anubis169: I'm on a Pi 5 right now as a desktop replacement
Anubis169:
artdecosunburn: @Anubis169 I wish I could be running a Univac.
JadedCynic: @TheMerricat yeah, the drama going on was much more....amazing than what you saw as a consumer at the time; the history is.... WOW
Anubis169: btw Beej, I tried getting my hands on a non-smart TV, just 'a TV' and it's damn near impossible.. had to look into jailbreaking them
glitched_goddess: i was actually surprised the fft remake was only $50? i figured they'd use inflation as an excuse to make it like 80 lol
HorusFive: Your grandparents probably remember having parts of the computer that you can't touch without bricking the thing (Apple extensions)
TXC2: right chat I'm off
Anubis169:
night night TXC2
TXC2: Goodnight everybody, and thanks for streaming Heather, Paul and Beej
TheMerricat: @Anubis169 If you are willing to go outside the consumer industry, look into digital signage. Often the same hardware but without the 'smart' stuff.
Marvoleath: it's a wild sentence to hear, "because XBox is doing XBox, it's coming out on PS5"
glitched_goddess: you're literally buying the installer lol
artdecosunburn: @Anubis169 I can relate. I'm watching this stream on a Blackberry. The lengths I go through to keep a keyboard phone. Had to smuggle it in from Canada.
Marvoleath: @glitched_goddess downloader*
DoodlestheGreat: @artdecosunburn Wish I had one of those.
artdecosunburn: It's great. I have so many keys.
kingandcommoner: still sucks
Laserbeaks_Fury: If games can just do that now, is there ever going to be a reason to pioneer cheap data storage options?
HorusFive: "Day one patch" in this case is the game
artdecosunburn: @Laserbeaks_Fury AI slop?
Anubis169:
Sonic '06 had a similar problem... the version that got released is an earlier build/version number than the one the devs showed at the expo
HorusFive: And when they decide to discontinue server maintenance- there is now actually nothing for you to have left over
Anubis169: "Early Access"... also known as Paid Open Beta Testing
kingandcommoner: I bought Alan Wake 2 twice so I could get a physical copy
pete_manatap: also digital downloads don’t pass on to families
artdecosunburn: @HorusFive Game historians and hobbyists are working on ways to try to archive some of these server-based games. It's a tricky proposition.
kingandcommoner: #Don'tPreorderGames
gnyrinn: Also: 1.5 Gigs for an authentication key?!
kingandcommoner: @gnyrinn that's actually .2 gigs, the rest is spyware
Anubis169: junk data? encrypted nothing?
CaptainSpam: They're trying to make really, REALLY big encryption keys a thing.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Is there a universe where companies are going to be on the hook to forever be able to provide the digital component for a game key card?
pete_manatap: also have worked midnight launches for huge game releases gaming has lost that whole thing now
artdecosunburn: @Anubis169 Most data are junk data.
JadedCynic:
@artdecosunburn I don't envy them! But I so appreciate their efforts
JadedCynic: @Laserbeaks_Fury hahahahahahahahahahaNO
Marvoleath: do consoles do streaming / download for games like Ubisoft liked to do? as in you can start playing while the rest of the game downloads
glitched_goddess: the disc is telling the ps5 to hold the flashlight lol
ButButTheJesus: @Marvoleath some games
JadedCynic: @pete_manatap yeah....having gone through that on both sides....I feel a little nostalgic about it, but I also feel we're better off?
pete_manatap: wooo worked that console launch 🤣so old😢
ArdCollider: o7
Anubis169: i still have an original 60gig that has the "Install other OS" option somewhere
artdecosunburn: There is something to be said for physical media and the secondary market. It's why the book was so revolutionary after Gutenberg and moveable type. You could print cheaply, and resell, and disseminate.
Laserbeaks_Fury: I hear boxes on Pandora are full of all sorts of things?
Marvoleath: so, true to the movies
HorusFive: I still constantly forget that Avatar is a thing that exists as a huge media property. I have no permanence with it
pete_manatap: @artdecosunburn steam have said you can’t pass your account onto family members
ArdCollider: being able to see your character's fine butt is gender-affirming care
ButButTheJesus: I started FoP and it seemed good but haven't had a chance to get back to it
ArdCollider: change my mind
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BusTed: Firewatch comes to mind
kingandcommoner: Ah, jurassic park tresspasser
JadedCynic:
FPS, your model only consists of two forearms
mtvcdm: I remember VIVIDLY the time someone showed Faith's third-person animations from first-person Mirror's Edge. They were *amazing*
BusTed: going infinite
ButButTheJesus: @JadedCynic and two tentacles in The Darkness!
artdecosunburn: @pete_manatap The promise of the Digital has many dark corners and unanticipated consequences. Ease and speed versus permanence and finality.
Laserbeaks_Fury: They added 3rd person to RE:VIllage letting you see Ethan Winters, who is notorious for never showing his face
glitched_goddess: detective pikachu was amazing
Anubis169: Niantic?
TheMerricat: @Anubis169 Yep
Juliamon: No longer Niantic
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pete_manatap: @artdecosunburn my friend looked into it as he would like his boys to play and potentially continue to the games he loved/loves and was told like nah
Anubis169: i got issues with Niantic, my phone had wonky GPS and would occasionally teleport me to 0/0 (lat long)
Anubis169: they banned my pokemon go account
artdecosunburn: @pete_manatap A real pity. I feel for your friend. So much will be lost to time from the digital realm.
ButButTheJesus:
@Anubis169 "this cheater is teleporting!" 
CaptainSpam: Bloom's got the full seven lineup.
gnyrinn: Weren't Icepikmin Trotsky's assassins?
Anubis169: ButButTheJesus: no appeals, no listening to the plethora of emails, just a ban -_-
CaptainSpam: Red, blue, yellow, white, purple, winged, rock.
JadedCynic: @pete_manatap that was his mistake - don't talk to VALVe at all, just give them your username and password in the will.
mtvcdm:
@Anubis169 What Pokemon do you find in the Gulf of Guinea anyway? 
artdecosunburn: @gnyrinn That's golden.
ButButTheJesus: @Anubis169 man, feck them
Anubis169: fierce!
pete_manatap: @artdecosunburn he did the math and was thousands of pounds uk. I was lucky and passed my games on to my hoarding nephew
JadedCynic: @mtvcdm apparently all of the ones that suffer from the same glitch on Niantic's side?
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Diabore: 1000 pve battles or pvp battles?
artdecosunburn: Isn't that the new P. T. Anderson? One Battle After Another?
JadedCynic:
Sun-Tzu sneers at this: "The acme of military skill isn't fighting 1000 battles and winning them all. The acme of military skill is winning one battle without fighting."
BusTed: That's funny
Anubis169: LOL
niccus: what's a 3d printer if not a controllable mechanical arm
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @niccus Yup, everything is a robot now.
HorusFive: Amatur hour. Use a CNC machine you cowards!
Anubis169: state-based programming
JadedCynic: @niccus MIND. BLOWN.
kingandcommoner: I'm sure it's spawn camping a particular low level trainer
LordZarano: Hang on! That's a Desert Bus playing machine!
RatherLargeToad: and then you get to backstab them
BusTed: "Huh... it's just a pokebox"
kingandcommoner: @LordZarano But the Bus Stops!
BusTed: That's so much easier
HorusFive: Snake? Snake?! EKANS?!!!!!!
Coloneljesus: buy a 3d printer for this AND ALSO other neat things
BusTed:
@HorusFive
JadedCynic:
@BusTed but -but...that's just GIVING IN and GIVING The Company the money! Spite is the most powerful force in the universe 
kingandcommoner: I mean, making a task particularly mind numbing so you can get poeple to spend money is just what phoen games do
Diabore: digimon also has a thing like that, where even the highest level of game didnt come with 3 specific extra dungeons (one for exp, one for money and a third i dont remember what it does) for like 12 bucks
artdecosunburn: @JadedCynic Sometimes Spite runs into its implacable foe, Laziness.
RatherLargeToad: most of the shiny hunting techniques involve chaining battles, so the dedicated shiny hunters should get the 1000 battles easy anyway
BusTed: isn't it usually full pokedex or whatever?
JadedCynic:
@artdecosunburn I would continue to argue over this but....touche
Foxmar320: @BusTed Yes
vinewood_og: Couldn't they just ask the studio for a letter of reference? OH RIGHT....
ArdCollider: credits are the filthy carrot attached to the stick of bad labor practices
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I'm odd - I watch the credits. I also hate the way streaming services skip or zip through them. People did work! Show their names, damn you!
JadedCynic: @ArdCollider sadly, yeah
BusTed: Wow
wedge_x: we have a ton of stories about film credits, yeah
Anubis169: thaaaaaaat's scummy
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ArdCollider: you know you're senior at a studio when you have to hold an intervention when someone doesn't get a credit
Clench_Eastwood: o/
Anubis169:
heya Clench
artdecosunburn: Films at least have tech unions protecting the credits.
ArdCollider: oh no we do not.
Clench_Eastwood: heya anubis
wedge_x: @artdecosunburn laughs in VFX
artdecosunburn: You don't want to piss off the electricians in Hollywood.
ArdCollider: VFX is *very lightly* unionized at best, it is very early on in our labor struggle.
artdecosunburn: @wedge_x Touche. My condolences.
RatherLargeToad: good old academia
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: All the names or none of the names. I'm very binary about this.
ArdCollider: (Tax incentives can also affect the credits in fascinating ways.)
PixelArtDragon: Congratulations, you have been renamed "et al"
artdecosunburn: Kissinger once said "the debates in academia are so intense because the stakes are so low."
JadedCynic: "Should* is just a hopeful word....
ArdCollider:
Bourdain said I'd never stop wanting to kill Kissinger, too. 
wedge_x: ^
artdecosunburn: @RatherLargeToad Not much good about it these days, as an academic.
ContingentCat: @ArdCollider and he was right
ArdCollider: damn right he was.
roastbeefsandwitch: @ArdCollider That ship has passed I think, the guy was in his 90's. But he could have pissed on his grave
artdecosunburn: @ArdCollider It's an entirely natural impulse. Mark of a decent person reacting to evil.
kingandcommoner: That's why they made the sentient cattle in Hitchhiker's Guide
PixelArtDragon: I want my milk to have the credits of whoever made the VR goggles for the cows
Thefluffiestguineapig: Who would have guessed (as someone who guessed)
Diabore: actively killing the division
RatherLargeToad: “we do not want you making games for us”
gnyrinn: In fairness to the video game localizing contractors: They do treat their staff better than the slaughterhouses treat the cows. At least marginally.
Thefluffiestguineapig: They're just killing x-box
vinewood_og: What's 30% of $0?
Diabore: i thought it was 1500 to 2000?
Foxmar320: It's $1500 to $2k
Strebenherz: @paul might be able to cheese the website if you flip javascript off for a moment
JadedCynic: I remember the 'rules' that my first 'on-the-job' trainer taught me: 1) Shit happens, 2) shit rolls downhill, and 3) payday is the 2nd and 4th Thursdays of the month.
Diabore: @Foxmar320 k yeah i thought that was the numbers
kingandcommoner: But also, they want to sell them to people actually invested in making a game
Marvoleath: I mean, it's not a 0 amount of money, my company usually has about 100-200 dev kits, and there are at least 3 other this size offices in my city
SocraticMethod: Yeah, devkits are usually "leased"
JadedCynic: yeah, there's been a few stories in Checkpoint over the years about devkits not being returned and then getting out to the public...
roastbeefsandwitch: @JadedCynic to expand on that, from Dirty Jobs: "and when it it comes down to it, your employer and coworkers really appreciate you taking a big ol' bit of shit sandwich if they're also doing it"
PixelArtDragon: Microsoft did a lot of work to make sure PC and XBox software is very similar
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I would imagine that both XBox and PS dev boxen are basically the console with an uprated APU and more RAM. Maybe a few extra ports.
SocraticMethod: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving They usually have a co-processor and secondary RAM access for the transparent profiling
JadedCynic: @roastbeefsandwitch I never got that one, but I do agree it's important
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @SocraticMethod Makes sense.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Yup, end stage capitalism sucks ass
Marvoleath: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving there is a lot of extra software on it and some extra debugging hardware, mostly for network things
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving:
@Marvoleath Heh, yeah. I was hiding that in "extra ports" 
Thefluffiestguineapig: Pricing people out of things without realizing that it is something that people might have a real actual issue with because people don't have the power to do much about right now
Thefluffiestguineapig: Also, just by way of my rant, support developers unions. If you see news about any company having one or trying to break one stop buying from them if you can unless it's for a job like streaming
BlackIsis: gcc predates linux
CaptainSpam: Oh, wow, now I remember the bundles of CDs I got from Microsoft when I got a version of VC++ ages ago. Never actually used any of 'em.
Sarah_Serinde: Support unions, but listen to how the unions want to be supported. Sometimes they explicitly say they don't want a boycott
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Ah, the days of buying a language+compiler. I quite liked Borland Delphi, for my sins.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Sarah_Serinde Actually this
RockPusher: Pal Tree Pulp?
LordZarano: One of the main reasons I got a Playdate. The dev software is free so there's tons of weird stuff on itchio for it
SocraticMethod: Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point
ChocoBroh: they literally have published ai games
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Eep!
Strebenherz: HUH. Good questions!
Thefluffiestguineapig: I just cackled out loud
artdecosunburn: @SocraticMethod Monkey's Paw, Inc.
PixelArtDragon: Oh, that is very direct
kingandcommoner: I don't think their games have ever technically made it out of beta
Strebenherz: Today I learned, thank you Heather
Darleysam: Objection.gif
JadedCynic: @SocraticMethod UPDATE: Worst Person You Know MIGHT BE LYING
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: You know, I really think Heather needs to own a decent cricket bat.
mtvcdm: Sometimes Heather just shows up with a sledgehammer and I'm here for it
Foxmar320: Heather went for the kill with that
SocraticMethod: @JadedCynic Doesn't detract that the point was great, though
Thefluffiestguineapig: Heather honestly that is goals for me
Thefluffiestguineapig: The execution on that was flawless for Heather
Darleysam: okay, but, hear me out, what if they just remove their own names from the credits of that older game?
JadedCynic: @SocraticMethod undermines any trust you had in them tho
niccus: it's... spotty...
kingandcommoner: I'm not gonna say they didn't rip off pokemon, they did, but I don't remember anybody posting good proof that they actually plagiarised any art assets for it
PixelArtDragon: Wow, it's Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction all over again!
lightfut: Authenticity.... Sure
JadedCynic: *takes a big, deep sniff* Hmmmm, something doesn't smell right, from that...
TheMerricat:
Hey chat, remember when Epic "was on our side!" against the evil Steam and Apple game stores? Remember when everyone thought they were awesome folk for that?
PixelArtDragon: That one seems pretty fair
Thefluffiestguineapig: @TheMerricat No but that's because apparently I have object permanence and also listened to Graham's recap of reading the legal briefs
kingandcommoner: It's the way they mess up that's telling
vinewood_og: Rob Liefeld is not AI
JadedCynic: @TheMerricat yeah....I'm smelling a lot of the same smells from that whole mess...
TheMerricat:
@Thefluffiestguineapig
RockPusher: today in cursed this or thats: half-assed-human vs genAI
CaptainSpam: Just because you don't like the artist doesn't mean it's AI.
RatherLargeToad: AI art is bad, but the AI witch hunts are exhausting with how many false positives occur
PixelArtDragon: Do things that refer to generative AI draw any distinction between generated art/music vs generated code?
JadedCynic: @RatherLargeToad exactly
Sarah_Serinde: @RatherLargeToad ^^^
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: No. His mastakes are uniquely . . . human
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: *mistakes
Sarah_Serinde: Accusing someone of AI art/writing when you're not 1000% positive feels real bad for the human who made the thing themselves, and may discourage them from making other stuff
Sarah_Serinde: Also sometimes art/writing looks like AI because AI is trained on real people's art/writing
gnyrinn: "Ask no questions, tell no lies" is a strategy, sometimes a valid one.
SocraticMethod: @JadedCynic Have you read the original article and it's follow-up?
ChocoBroh: if they are hiring people they literally have contracts that can dictate products created by the contracted company not use ai. it’s so simple
CaptainSpam: Also, having a unique style doesn't make your work bad. I draw mitten-like hands, for instance.
artdecosunburn: @RatherLargeToad Well, both AI creations and 15th Century German witches have wonky fingers.
PixelArtDragon: Is it some important anniversary or something?
Strebenherz: It's sonic's 30th anniversary!!
kingandcommoner: Are we going to learn more about Amy's role in the next sonic movie?
ForOhForError: what do you mean, sonic the hedgehog character Hatsune Miku is very popular
Foxmar320: Blaze
kingandcommoner: The year of Chip, the sidekick form Unleashed
lightfut: Big the cat! Big the cat!
SocraticMethod: Sticks is too powerful, Sega fears her and tries to keep her in her own corner.
Juliamon: the Year of Chaos
kingandcommoner: They Fight Crime!
RatherLargeToad: and now they both have guns!
Invitare: Shadow fights aliens
Foxmar320: Thats how they became ghosts
mtvcdm: Here's ghosts with a GUN
RatherLargeToad: they start a podcast
Mr_Horrible: it's mecha sonic's 0001 1110th anniversary
gnyrinn: Let the record state that I'm on board with "the year of Robotnik/Eggman". Let Jim properly off the leash!
Mr_Horrible: (I think I got that right)
kingandcommoner: They would skip 6 and not 7. They need ot avoid bringing back elise
Foxmar320: Tails needs a year!
Thefluffiestguineapig: I went to go put my onsen tamago in to cook and just was shaking my head at people predicting this so far out
Foxmar320:
Mr_Horrible: it was a summer fling
Foxmar320: Princess Elise kissed a dead headgehog
kingandcommoner: Maria!@
Thefluffiestguineapig: Yup that's the only acceptable way to do that
ForOhForError: the year of The Generic President from adventure 2
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kingandcommoner: the year of G.U.N.
Mr_Horrible: Beej: Educated Against His Will
Foxmar320: Im right here and this is great fan fic
lightfut: Yahtzee did just release a lore of Sonic video
CaptainSpam: "What sort of creature should I create to protect this human child... HEDGEHOG. This makes perfect sense." "Um... boss, why a-" "I SAID THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE."
kingandcommoner: Amy will? She's in the postcredit scene...
artdecosunburn: There's always a professor. -- A Professor who tossess his mentees guns and vacuums
Bruceski: Maria is Shadow's sister and Robotnik's...cousin? It's been a while.
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kingandcommoner: @Bruceski cousin
Foxmar320: No
kingandcommoner: The year of Tails' plane
UtilityPunk: Sonic has 0 tails, Tails has 2. Tails is 2 x infinity% better
Coloneljesus: beej has turned off
JadedCynic: Usain Bolt ridge in cars
Foxmar320: Tails has to move Sonic around with the plane.
UtilityPunk: Planepooling Sonic to work
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Tails is eight years old. It's downright irresponsible to give him a pilot's licence.
UtilityPunk: Sonic prolly pays in rings
Foxmar320: What else is he going to do with those rings
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BTW chat, stay away from the Bethesdasoft and Fallout reddits today, much nashing of teeth. They didn't get their Fallout3 Remaster they were expecting, instead FO4 is getting an Anniversary Edition.
Foxmar320:
CaptainSpam: No, wait, stop reading Sonic lore! Save yourself!
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: The ages are pretty messed up
mtvcdm: Oh.... also? Desert Bus is only three weeks away.
Mr_Horrible: I *still* haven't built my own airplane, this Tails kid is making me feel bad
kingandcommoner: 16 and homeless
mtvcdm: !dbcountdown
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Mr_Horrible:
@mtvcdm 
CaptainSpam: BUS IS COMING
Thefluffiestguineapig: !venga
LRRbot: The Venga Bus is coming in for the kill, it's doing it for a thrill. Oh, I'm hoping you'll understand.
Foxmar320: I don't want to think about tails spliting
JadedCynic: *honks the Venga horn....*
vinewood_og:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: o/
Foxmar320: Tails backstory is being bullied for having two tails and getting saved by Sonic
Thefluffiestguineapig: Thanks for the great stream!
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TheAinMAP: !next
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ContingentCat: yeah a 16 year old hanging out with a 8 year old is probably closely related.
v_nome: Small children? Too scary for me.
v_nome: !card little girl
LRRbot: Little Girl [{HW}] | Creature — Human Child [½/½]
CaptainSpam: Now all they need is a card called Pokey the Penguin to go with Small Child...
LordZarano: Finally a Riot game that doesn't need kernel-level anticheat
Marvoleath: There is a planeswalker, who is a little girl and also kinda a god
Thefluffiestguineapig: The card Beej is thinking of is Orphans of the Wheat
Marvoleath:
@LordZarano that what you'd think, however...
ghyllnox: #sponsoled
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kingandcommoner: The End....?
Mr_Horrible: In conclusion, conclusions are a land of contrasts
mtvcdm: You know what, fair
EvilBadman: frustrating AF krafton is publishing this after their AI announcement
Mr_Horrible: if I had a nickel for every game where you have to forge a new life in an analogue of Australia I'd have 2 nickels
Mr_Horrible: LET'S GO GAMBLING
TheAinMAP: !box
LRRbot: In the box is: a man trapped in a jar
DoodlestheGreat: Already played a few of the new games.
Thefluffiestguineapig: New box of jacks!
Marvoleath: putting Ian in a box again
Thefluffiestguineapig: So basically if the trivia game passes muster, and trying out the others
SquareDotCube: I remember Rhythm Birds
DoodlestheGreat: Doominate is going to be perfect for you guys.
CaptainSpam: Just remember, one of the games depends on your mics, so try to make sure your audio routing isn't going to cause issues.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @CaptainSpam Sorry, what
ContingentCat: interested what cereal Kathleen'll bring in
JadedCynic: yoghurt?
Mr_Horrible: have any of these this month been called "BOO!d Morning Moonbase"?
ghyllnox: Only if she asks for darkness for breakfast
CaptainSpam: @Thefluffiestguineapig Seriously, one of them is expecting you to record your voice imitating some sound effect.
TheAinMAP:
gualdhar: hot HILLFs in your area
Marvoleath: !next
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KWardJenx: Thank you for the stream!
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @CaptainSpam Depending on what the bank of effects is certain members of the crew might have greater power than others
CaptainSpam: Thanks for the stream!
Thefluffiestguineapig: Great stream and fun chats as always!
CaptainSpam:
@Thefluffiestguineapig Maybe, or maybe the audience will vote more on the spirit of the crew making silly sound effects with their mouths. 
Thefluffiestguineapig: @CaptainSpam Oh the audience votes *eeeexcellent*
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