ManWithTheMask13: you can't do dat
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millenomi_Aura: sometimes you DPS.
Mr_Horrible: "Marisa how'd you get so strong?" "HELLA WEIGHTS!"
TXC2: "strong girl! Farm?!"
TXC2: 2 wins may not seem like a lot, but it is
30teracyte: as you get better you start learning harder things and fighting tougher opponents
Omthebox: yeah...
30teracyte: it just keeps going
hypergirlie_hyperpop:
I have had days going 0 wins in 4 hours 
30teracyte: another rung on the ladder
Zaneysed: ive crashed out in VC
Zaneysed: it happens
Prop_PT: did SF servers just go down?
TXC2: progress is not linear
Mr_Horrible: brain only got so much space
ManWithTheMask13: Good work today, Nelly
TXC2:
watch me play MtG to see someoone get worse 
Zaneysed: @Prop_PT Lurker is still jamming so no
TXC2: !patreon
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FROGS ARE GONE!
ManWithTheMask13: FROGS ARE GONEEEEEE
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TXC2: !events
Mr_Horrible: becuz silly
30teracyte:
TXC2:
ah, there was a checkpoint today.....2 hours ago
ManWithTheMask13: Just farm a SF6 room for content
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Zaneysed: @ManWithTheMask13 ill farm you for content
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chaos5896: fire track
TheMerricat: !!!!
Thefluffiestguineapig: As I sit here just jamming on Silksong
RockPusher: !search for treasure
LRRbot: You find: a Pit Trap!
RockPusher: Ow
Thefluffiestguineapig: Doesn't mean you walked into it, you just found it
RockPusher: Thefluffiestguineapig my finding methods are sub-optimal
Thefluffiestguineapig: And at least it's just pit and not spike trap
TXC2: depends if RockPusher is using INT or CON to find the trap
Thefluffiestguineapig: That sounds like the hound method of finding. Nose to the ground then it's either in their nose or they eat it
TheAinMAP: Signal.
Earthenone:
RockPusher: So, who has done the reading?
Juliamon: Just finished my homework in the nick of time
TXC2: CONTACT
RockPusher: I set my alarm 1h earlier to allow myself time for the homework if it was there
TXC2:
I would have, but it was 2 hours ago, and okioki was on
RockPusher: These points: way too hot! Gotta chill 'em
TXC2: TODAY!
loufghyslaufey:
NO
RockPusher:
Paul got around to making his odd one out 
Xed_Regulus: Just finished watching the Checkpoint 2025 Quiz
Juliamon: Paul lookin' sharp today
loufghyslaufey:
NO 2025,
EvilBadman: Teachers hate him!
loufghyslaufey: "The 2025 has been defeated...!!"
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SocraticMethod:
"This too, shall pass" - 
before finals
TXC2:
it's 2026, if you're not stressed you're not paying attention
RebekahWSD: Huh
Xed_Regulus: "Cs get degrees!"
Wolfstrike_NL: For us it was a 5.5 out of 10
Mai_Andra:
"5/100" 
TXC2:
I was told that in College Heather, still did 5 years there, should have only done 3
RockPusher:
There are some real 
ed up grading schemes in education
RebekahWSD: A smidge easy. But not *too* easy
EvilBadman: "Why is 44% of our money missing"
EvilBadman: True
ArtDecoSunburn: I worked at a business school for a few years. Every week there was a block with no classes for networking over coffee with the dean and alumni donors.
TheMerricat:
News flash: Bionic Trousers Media has announced it will be auditing it's books in February. 
Mai_Andra: It's just Business [derogatory]
TheAinMAP: Hello/
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat "Suspiciously large anime write offs."
RockPusher: Beej needs to make sure the fudged numbers still follow Benford's Law
Mai_Andra: I was sure y'all had already done the annual quiz... Am I that far behind?
TXC2: "we need to talk about line item 4: Tarp"
loufghyslaufey: I guess when in doubt, should a U.S. citizen manage to get a degree outside of the US, do... "we take those" as in "would?"
RebekahWSD: @TXC2 Tarp budget still hasn't been made it's own line???
TXC2:
RebekahWSD this is probably why the accountant is bringing it up
RockPusher: years happened
Mai_Andra:
"Anthem is now gone forever." 
Juliamon: please... let's not go back to then
TXC2: what a year huh? it's still Janurary
loufghyslaufey: And by "get," i mean 'earn,' yes. I should've cal
RebekahWSD: Man what a coincidence to close the unionized studio!!
ArtDecoSunburn: Are games made in Halifax mostly maritime-themed?
loufghyslaufey: *i should've clarified, "earn."
RockPusher: As Is Tradition!
RebekahWSD: Oh, alas!
ImmortalLen: I'm still alive!
tdapenguin: i'm not here!
EvilBadman: it was talking to me directly that done did it
Xed_Regulus: We're free!
Wolfstrike_NL: Quickly, compliment them while they can't see
RockPusher: We're unobserved! Quick, riot!
loufghyslaufey:
Oh its fine. 
ArtDecoSunburn: @RebekahWSD Especially when the Pinkertons bring the cardboard boxes to the desks.
RockPusher carefully upends a chair
RebekahWSD: Yeeees the update has been lovely!
RebekahWSD: Makes me want to get the DLC
RockPusher:
Jumping 
TXC2:
was it only tank controls before?
loufghyslaufey: AC: Sports?
RebekahWSD: The loudspeaker doesn't work on Switch 1 is the mainest thing I think
SaxPython: Anti-depression island
RockPusher: Here there be light industrial
Mai_Andra: This side of my island is the orange grove. Yes, that part is also the orange grove. Yes, over there, too...
Thefluffiestguineapig: Yeah
SquareDotCube: The new dreamscapes are very interesting
SquareDotCube: I can see Beej moving that rec center to a dream space
TXC2: Beej building the big sport ball on greenbelt land
faintbunnyy: can I ask a personal question or would that ruin the vibes
TXC2:
Stadium, that's the word I needed
TXC2: faintbunnyy depends on the question
ProcyonFlynn:
"Do you like absolute authority" isn't a question you ask someone infront of a camera 
faintbunnyy: @TXC2 Uh it’s like a question about their careers
TXC2: faintbunnyy that might be ok
SquareDotCube: "the cockroach reserve"
TXC2: "who's she? she doesn't go here"
faintbunnyy: @TXC2 oh ok can I ask it in chat
RockPusher: A Hero Named Beej
TXC2: faintbunnyy yes, but there's no guarantee of them answering
faintbunnyy: How do you want your career to change in 5 years and how does that compare to what you actually think will change
RockPusher: !patreon
RockPusher:
Derailing Chillpoint‽ That never happens! 
Tiber727: Paul's story reminds me of how in Paper Mario, after each adventure you meet up with Luigi, who tells of his adventures which are very similar to yours but sillier.
TXC2: Civ 6 feels that way to me, takes a good 5 mins to start up for me
flyingPancake12: it's definitely faster on the switch 2, and it's even faster with the switch 2 upgrade
BusTed:
TXC2: 5onic !
Invitare: 30 years
EvilBadman: 25 more years, clearly
LightspeedSloth: How did the bit start again?
mtvcdm: I'm sure other things have a 30th
RockPusher: I'm sure the joke-worthy Sonic news will continue
mtvcdm: It's *Persona's* 30th anniversary this year
TXC2: mtvcdm Pokemon, for example
Thefluffiestguineapig: There's a new cartoon? The amount I don't care continues to be the same
loufghyslaufey:
Again, !?
loufghyslaufey: A
TXC2: "time continues to pass"
loufghyslaufey: Another "30th Anniversary!?"
EvilBadman: 35th anny gemstone is emerald, smart
Thefluffiestguineapig: Sunk cost fallacy at this point
Tiber727: Just to troll people, announce a new Mean Bean Machine.
RockPusher: I need to catch up on Fallout
Thefluffiestguineapig: They've referenced a lot and done a lot of neat things
Thefluffiestguineapig: OH YEAH
loufghyslaufey: Rings... Uhuh.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Season 2 has been great so far
Thefluffiestguineapig: WHY
itira: Id love being able to actually watch Fallout but its MEGA framey even after all the troubleshooting. le sigh
RockPusher: Rings was fine, just not amount of money they spent on it fine
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loufghyslaufey: Swipe right, gawd
TXC2: !findquote swipe
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Thefluffiestguineapig: But which vault?
ProcyonFlynn: Big Brother - Fallout Edition
mtvcdm: Nuclear apocalypse, for fun!
Thefluffiestguineapig: Just do the Gary vault and whoever says something other than Gary first loses
LordZarano: It's Sonic's THIRTYᶠⁱᵗʰ Aniversary!
Earthenone: so annother megacorp not understanding the medias centeral point of vault+bad
loufghyslaufey: Fallout: the "Squid>_<Games" years...?
Tiber727: I would watch a Fallout survival if they have to avoid a real Deathclaw.
mtvcdm: @ProcyonFlynn The funny thing is the actual Big Brother house reverted to the bank, like, literally yesterday, over a debt default
tdapenguin:
@LordZarano 
Thefluffiestguineapig: @mtvcdm That's so fucking funny to me
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Tiber727 Or the FEV
TheMerricat:
This is important Beej. You need to make sure you ask WHICH Vault you are going to stay in... it MATTERS. 
TXC2: mtvcdm wild that it's not just a converted studio
loufghyslaufey: But they botched that Star Wars one terribly...!? I forget what they called the gimmick hotel/resort/...space??
mtvcdm: @TXC2 It *is* a studio
Thefluffiestguineapig: In fact most of them are horrific
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TheMerricat: Garry! GARRY!
TXC2:
mtvcdm oh damn
LordZarano: Haha, Gary.
TXC2: only 12 of the 120 vaults were real
spethycakes: There is a Netflix show on that premise (fictional)
UnknownFriday: Beej just proving he's a Vault-Tech Executive, because that's exactly the kind of stuff they'd pull.
RockPusher: so Beej has re-invented "Space Cadets"
Thefluffiestguineapig: @TXC2 That seems very high for Vaulttec (hehehehe) Also I think some of the real ones failed
EvilBadman: the voted for the overseer, who was killed at the end of their term
TXC2: Thefluffiestguineapig they sure did
Thefluffiestguineapig: Ok that's why 12 seems high for real vaults
mtvcdm: In a world where they could take Squid Game and go 'but what if we actually made the torment nexus'
TheMerricat: "Out of the 122 total Vault-Tec Vaults, 17 were designated as "Control Vaults," intended to function as advertised for genuine, non-experimental sheltering, while the remaining 105 were social experiments with unique, often dangerous, conditions to study humanity, though even some "control" Vaults had hidden twists. Vaults like 8 (becoming Vault City) and 76 were truly "normal," while others like 101 (never opening) or 111 (long-term cryo)...."
TheMerricat: "... had specific, sometimes benign, directives, but most were elaborate tests. "
EvilBadman: @mtvcdm to be fair, this isn't as torment nexus-y. They're not going to submit them to like the horrors of war or anything.
TXC2: in the UK, big brother was only good twice, and that first and fifth times
Thefluffiestguineapig: One of the vaults I think was all children, one was all women, one was all men
Thefluffiestguineapig: One was all men with one woman
Tiber727: There actually was a real life Lord of the Flies where some kids in Australia stole a boat and ended up stranded on an island. They worked together fine.
ProcyonFlynn: Exploitive, of everyone involved. It's creepy
Mai_Andra:
"Pimp My Chair!"
mtvcdm: I spent last summer watching Big Brother US 27 and followed one houseguest who.... *really* went through the wringer. By New Years Eve she'd removed from her Instagram bio that she'd ever been on the show at all.
LordZarano: Years ago a UK channel did a reality show where they tricked people into thinking they were actually launched into space on a rocket
JessieImproved: Just gimme more Takeshi's Castle/Most Extreme Elimination Challenge
ShaneLeeAtk: Kenny Blankenship... I haven't though of that name in a long time
loufghyslaufey: I mean, was it?
RockPusher: Shiboyugi's "This is a story about a deranged world."
JessieImproved: @ShaneLeeAtk That's right Kenny!
mtvcdm: Oh yeah, Big Brother has live feeds you can watch and the players there are often *quite* aware of them and sometimes straight-up do bits to try and get on the broadcast.
mtvcdm: In the middle of trying to backstab each other.
SquareDotCube: "Losers will be fed to Jimmy, the mutant in the basement"
Earthenone: the name of world and wilds dosent do it favors yeah
mtvcdm: (last season they backstabbed a *lot*, where even the official show account was going 'even for us this is a lot of people betraying their allies')
TheMerricat:
Why would you make them in that order? Worlds to Wilds sounds like a step down.
tajessa: Also maybe because 2025 lasted at least a decade
Sky_Kast: hi chillchat
TXC2: hello Sky_Kast welcome
SocraticMethod: Something that all publications miss is that this was in _camps_ only
Snowcookies: MHWilds is known for being terribly optimized
LordZarano: Wiorlds
SocraticMethod: because one vendor is bugged
Tiber727: @loufghyslaufey Do you consider 1965 recent?
ShaneLeeAtk: Wireshark it!
TXC2: the performance hit is also only like 5% , when you;re near the NPC that cares about it
TheMerricat: A real P2W scenario
Tiber727: Literal Pay 2 Win.
SquareDotCube: amateur coding strikes again
EvilBadman: @SquareDotCube bold to assume professional coding is held together by less duct tape.
TXC2: corporate mandated coding more like
SocraticMethod: @SquareDotCube More likely incomplete testing, the devs would have missed them because usually test accounts have every feature enabled
RockPusher: For various reasons, developers only care if the thing *works* not if the thing is *correct*
SocraticMethod: Also, it's a single vendor in a camp, not actual hunts
SocraticMethod: so not a priority
RockPusher: (says person who often has to go find out why thing that works results in thing that is incorrect)
Sky_Kast: yep certain problems just get worse and worse over time
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Earthenone: its probobly a thing where the testers always had all the dlc, never saw a reason to test without it
Mai_Andra: Monster Hunter tends to release with a lot of cosmetic DLC already for sale.
Sky_Kast: yup
loufghyslaufey:
*answer for everything 
TXC2:
of course Duct tape isn't for everything, it's only for 50% of things, WD-40 is for the other half 
loufghyslaufey: Anything, gawd why can't I swap words!?
LordZarano: Reminds me of the person that cut GTA Online's load times by 70% back in 2021
TheMerricat: Capcom is just going to say "if you want the game to run better, you should just buy more DLC. Stop being a poor"
Thefluffiestguineapig: This is just making people not want to buy it because the game runs worse
Laserbeaks_Fury: They set the "Check For DLC" timer to "Kid in Backseat"
SocraticMethod: MH Wilds allows for in-game purchase of DLC so players doesn't have to reboot game
Sky_Kast: quite
TheMerricat: It's amusing, Steam demonstrated exactly how dangerous it was to give unlimited access to the store to push out crap. I still don't understand why none of the console stores that allow 'indie' game devs haven't put in better barriers to this sort of shit.
TXC2: not a real platinum
mtvcdm: "Penutbutter Turkey Burrito"
Mai_Andra: gamerscore padding was a pretty common thing in the Xbox 360 era.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Who gives up?
Earthenone: those 7 people really need to get their act together
loufghyslaufey: 5000 = 5000... approximately??
Juliamon: They just have the game in their backlog
Laserbeaks_Fury: 500 jumps in, they realize they are better than this
loufghyslaufey: So a cookie- ut
Tiber727: @TheMerricat Because they realized they can make money without doing work.
Thefluffiestguineapig: That's the steam perspective
loufghyslaufey: -Portal cookie cutoff? "The cookies are a lie?" <(=w=)>
SocraticMethod: Sony indie store launched "Life of a Tiger", so I don't think they care about the perception
Earthenone: does that mean that those 5000 people will have more trophies than are posible to get on the platform, or will sony take the trophies back
margieargie: I just... based on past history, I don't trust the stores to cut the actual shovelware
margieargie: instead of legit games they don't like
mtvcdm: Noooooo, not Mr. Hibbl!
TXC2: that's a lot of game
mtvcdm: There used to be a Nintendo Seal of Quality that said the game wouldn't crash
hyalopterous: There were a few games released by Atari for the NES that didn't have it
EvilBadman: I threw it in Checkpoint vid thread on discord thread, but Jenna Stoeber did a video on how there were 230 games released on Steam /last week/
mtvcdm: The good news is anyone can make a game. That is also the bad news.
Thefluffiestguineapig: There's so much shoveware on the Nintendo-eshop
LordZarano: Putting anything up is what ichio is for, which also has inbuilt tools for game jams
Laserbeaks_Fury: It's probably easier to grease that wheel and address what slips through later
ProcyonFlynn: @Laserbeaks_Fury Slipping through greasy wheels sounds hazardous.
margieargie: Involuntary rocket jumping
BalthusHomewood: Hidey-ho there folks
TXC2: hello BalthusHomewood welcome
BalthusHomewood: Thanks @txc2 🙂
Vinewood_OG: The quality of the theft is irrelevant
TXC2: there was a maths paper a few months back that the "AI" has hit it's limit already
Invitare: I mean, it's possible. There's only so much material that exists that they can learn from
Coloneljesus: it is NOT subtext
Invitare: he invented total immersion automatic VR and used it to steal author's ideas
Snowcookies: It's very explicit at calling AI users uncreative thieves
TXC2: yeah, we've been calling things in video games AI for 40 years, so he has a point
margieargie: One of the big issues is that the way "AI" is being used now is more a marketing term than anything else, so what technologies get put under it... varies a lot
TXC2: the 80/20 rule, comes up in a lot of areas
Coloneljesus: aka diminishing returns
TXC2: margieargie exactly
Invitare: generative AI has been around in some form for decades. They were using it to try and make self-driving cars in the *80's*
Coloneljesus: @margieargie it was always a marketing term. scientists and engineers always used more specific terms
ShaneLeeAtk: That Uncanny Valley
Invitare: I think this might be it reaching the peak now
TXC2:
remember the good old days when the "art" was real abstract and thus kinda good actually?
SocraticMethod: @margieargie Yeah, modern motion capture cleanup tools use trained model and it helps animators a ton
loufghyslaufey: Memes of "seeing less of it until you realize why you're seeing less of it..."
loufghyslaufey: Plus the "Why" emphasis
TXC2: Extremely rear win from GW
TXC2: *rare
Decaped: that study that correlated being able to skip content in a feed actually making your brain less capable in some memory tests
accountmadeforants: Big ups to those employees
accountmadeforants: "This sucks, actually"
Invitare: @TXC2 on a corporate level, it's not that rare. Most criticism of the company is to do with creative decisions
Bruceski: I've seen a few articles trying to frame Wikipedia as "adopting AI" when the actual policy is "if you're gonna keep skimming our site for AI, start f-ing paying us".
TXC2: "you can't copyright this stuff" "we wont have any of it then"
loufghyslaufey: @TXC2 You could say "rear" too. "Straight from the rear!" <(=w=)>
Marvoleath: "AI is Heresy, actually"
TXC2:
Invitare yes but that's mostly chuds crying about woman custodes et al
badhaiku:
badhaiku: Degenerative AI
Invitare: @TXC2 There's also things like... humans getting disproportionate representation. At a corporate level they do things like keep all production in the UK rather than outsourcing it to China or somewhere
Mr_Horrible:
@badhaiku that's just an algorithm that saves an image as jpeg repeatedly
TXC2: Invitare ah, fair enough
badhaiku:
@Mr_Horrible 
Mr_Horrible: we love graph solvers
Invitare: AI is tech heresy
TheMerricat: Men of Steel - Skynet Terminators
TXC2: the warhammer 40K backstory is the same as Dune's
Laserbeaks_Fury: "We let computers figure out the optimal way to split a human being into two..."
Mr_Horrible: you can just pull the AdMech excuse "There's a human brain in there, you don't know"
loufghyslaufey: Yeah, why?
Coloneljesus: dell needs to buy RAM
mtvcdm: Dude, we're getting a Dell story?
Juliamon: To note about this story: even though they disparage it, they *are* still going big on AI
TXC2: buying RAM that hasn't been made yet, for Data centres that aren't built yet
RockPusher:
The "Dell figured it out‽ Dell‽" story 
Vinewood_OG: I loved the good place meme with Ted Danson saying, "Dell figured it out? DELL!?"
loufghyslaufey: CES: "Wait. Almost nobody here can afford anything over there..."
Mr_Horrible: remembering the "AI" walgreens screen doors on their coolers that showed you what was stocked in the coolers, as opposed to a glass door that showed you what was stocked in the coolers
Invitare: I would be slightly more in favour of AI if it was local, rather than stealing all your private information
Laserbeaks_Fury: AI Pen: equipped with a gyroscope to automatically compensate for your handwriting to make your cursive legible"
Coloneljesus: ah yes, confusion, the only conceivable reason a consumer wouldn't want your product
Mr_Horrible: @Invitare at the same time, would you trust anything that claims to be local at this point?
Invitare: @Mr_Horrible no.
loufghyslaufey: Maybe Dell is trying to acknowledge the "bubble" while "seeing in the dark?"
Mr_Horrible: exactly
TXC2: "people aren't buying because of AI" "people aren't buying because they've got no money"
Invitare: unless I made it myself
ShaneLeeAtk: Dude, I work for Dell. 😁
Mr_Horrible: "The people that go to CES"
TheMerricat: Reminder that OpenAI purchased entire stocks of wafers meant for RAM that they can't use... not to USE, but to keep their competitors from using it.
loufghyslaufey: @Mr_Horrible "Tha same people that hardly exist in this chat?"
Mr_Horrible: "Remember the fuckass nonsense that happened with graphics cards? Now it's happening to EVERY component! Rejoice!... why aren't you rejoicing?"
loufghyslaufey: (wretching)
loufghyslaufey: No... gawd. Uhh.
LordZarano: @Laserbeaks_Fury You can get a handheld CNC router that cuts perfect lines with a thing you slide around by hand. It doesn't use AI
accountmadeforants: @TheMerricat Yup, no way to package them or anything. Just useless fucking wafers. It's like someone buying up all the hardwood to prevent others from building furniture. It's disgusting.
Mr_Horrible: literal Chase Passive Income shitpost tweet, but real
Vinewood_OG: Shocking.
TXC2: I'm shocked, SHOCKED....well not that shocked
Invitare: I mean that's just the whole AI thing in summary though. You invest in it, realise it's completely useless, make up things for it to do, sell it to people, who then start the cycle again
ShaneLeeAtk: Clutch my pearls and call me Sassy
Laserbeaks_Fury: Albatross Intelligence
loufghyslaufey: Yeah, yeah Beej!
TXC2: the kids are allright
loufghyslaufey: In your local area?
Mr_Horrible: "Keep kids off the internet - for ALL our sakes!"
Vinewood_OG:
I'm still waiting out the boomers.
Vinewood_OG: So good.
Marvoleath: @Vinewood_OG hey, apparently first time since like half a century there is less boomers than other generations in US government
LordZarano: I'm not on social media, unless you count Twitch & YouTube viewing
Mr_Horrible:
if it's so good why wasn't it called The Good Show? 
EvilBadman: @Mr_Horrible You tell me, Mr. Horrible
loufghyslaufey:
What? Like, you know its that bad when "Dell" of all businesses figure it out, ?
Mr_Horrible: @EvilBadman fuck
loufghyslaufey: Allegedly?
RockPusher: GOG bought by one of its founders
Mr_Horrible: @EvilBadman also the irony of you getting me on this is not lost on me
Mr_Horrible: honestly that relation always felt kinda vestigial, so this makes sense, at least by my reckoning
loufghyslaufey: So in a poor abbrieviation, "some company's founder bought back their shit?"
loufghyslaufey: Paraphrasing, paraphrasing. Not abbrieviated.
Marvoleath: It's a founder of CDP, no longer working with them, becoming an angel investor for them, basically
TheMerricat: His name is Michał Kiciński. He co-founded BOTH -GOG- and -CDP-
RockPusher: GOG, unlike most of the others, actually have a differentiated offering to Steam
Mr_Horrible: very funny that they already know this, whereas every other proprietary digital games platform has faceplanted on it since
CaptainSpam: I mean, GOG and Steam can coexist.
Marvoleath: GOG is better for both developers and players, not necessarily for publishers though
Mr_Horrible: they understand what Steam *doesn't* actually do well, because Steam doesn't care to improve along that axis, and are focusing on providing that service
SocraticMethod: Fun Fact: David had the advantage in the fable because slings are madly scare weapons against primitive armor
loufghyslaufey: I mean, its not like Steam was always "Goliath," Windows-Ceilings! (coughs)
SocraticMethod: Dollar store DVD player
TheMerricat: Steam, GOG, and Itch.io are the three stores I consider gold standards.
RockPusher: Beej making a metaphor trifle
TXC2: they have old shovelware, not new shovelware
Marvoleath: GOG could probably be much larger if they didnt hold onto the no-DRM part
accountmadeforants:
I mean, there is shovelware on there, but it's historically significant shovelware 
Bruceski: Games people want to put the effort into making compatible.
Marvoleath: with new games
TXC2: "the children have to learn about Tek War somewhen"
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TheMerricat: @Marvoleath TBF they do have games with limited DRM. Primarily they refuse to allow phonehome type DRM.
SocraticMethod:
The Pinnacle of the Entertrainment, you mean
Mr_Horrible: old curiosities also tend to be more interesting, when getting games made (esp with a big name attached to them) tended to have a higher barrier, so you know there's at least a story behind it
TheMerricat: My understanding is, Tekwar they books and Tekwar the TV show - are crap. Tekwar the Video Game, is surprisingly good.
SocraticMethod: Wait, what? I though that it was only place to find the Tekwar anymore. My apologies
TXC2: TheMerricat it's not, it's been on Watch and Play
SocraticMethod: @TheMerricat No, it's crap
GapFiller: TXC2 being on W+P and being good are not mutually excl
Mr_Horrible: I do also think this is a bit of conflation of "shovelware" with "bad"
TXC2: GapFiller true
GapFiller: gotta rewatch that stream but iirc they gave it a grudging pass
TheMerricat:
Ah then it was the TV show that wasn't crap. I know one of the three was actually not just crap shoved out the door but never remember which. I know the books are crap.
Mr_Horrible: Mystery of the Druids is bad, but is not shovelware
TXC2: the TV show is fine because it has Shatner in it
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Mr_Horrible:
it's the guy with the valve on the back of his head
GapFiller: TXC2 strue Shatner is generally entertaining even when frequently not good by any conventional yardstick
CaptainSpam: I mean, in fairness, Steam is already busy making Proton stuff for modern games.
accountmadeforants:
(But again, historically significant shovelware )
Mr_Horrible: @GapFiller whatever else he is, he does give a good hammy performance most times
TXC2: GapFiller Mr_Horrible exactly
SocraticMethod: @Mr_Horrible I now doubt myself, but IIRC Tekwar was made quickly as a licensed game using pre-existing engine with recycled assets to capitalize on Shatner's fame.
Strebenherz: @Mr_Horrible [i lack a trumpet emote apparently, so imagine one here]
margieargie: I've definitely seen some like, "developer putting out basically the same low-effort game in RPGMaker over and over under different names" sort of stuff on GOG in the past
Marvoleath: GOG is also now sadly flooded with "adult" games
accountmadeforants: @margieargie Oh yeah and there's some of the same "adult" slop you'l find on Steam
Mr_Horrible: @SocraticMethod ah, fair. I'm not familiar with the particulars in this case, just that I see those conflated a lot (and would've assumed this was "a weird thing someone *really* wanted to see made that didn't necessarily have much of an audience anticipated")
Mr_Horrible: AUGH
accountmadeforants: Oh yeah I saw this on RPS
TXC2:
well they learned at least
Mr_Horrible: at least less AUGH
Mr_Horrible: lmao
TXC2: there it is
mtvcdm: There it is
accountmadeforants: Good on his girlfriend for telling him off
Snowcookies: lol
Mr_Horrible: it's the dril tweet
Juliamon: Credit to both of them tbh
Mr_Horrible: *women get mad at me* "Sorry sorry I'm trying to delete it"
Juliamon: her for saying it and him for actually listening
Marvoleath: "I'm vegan now, because my girlfriend is" vibe
mtvcdm: We are committed...
Coloneljesus: @Marvoleath who wants to cook twice tbh
Laserbeaks_Fury: Her name was Grace, and she's Amazing
Mr_Horrible: we love people learning, so we'll take it
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Strebenherz: Ah gotcha
TXC2: right chat I'm off
Strebenherz: take care txc2
accountmadeforants: @Mr_Horrible Sometimes you just need the right teacher. And sometimes that teacher is the girl you like.
Coloneljesus: have a good one @TXC2
Mr_Horrible:
let that be a lesson, ladies: you *can* fix him 
TXC2: goodnight everybody, and thanks for streaming Heather, Paul and Beej
TheMerricat: @SocraticMethod Looking it up, Tekwar was a Capstone game, Capstone made games using the Wolf3D engine and the Build engine later on, mostly using existing IP. So yeah, they capitalized on name recognition more than invovation.
Mr_Horrible: have a good night, TXC2
Izandai: @Juliamon 💯
Marvoleath: tbf, I do believe we need more "i was wrong" and "I changed my opinion based on new information" in public communication
Marvoleath: instead of doubling down on being wrong
Izandai: @Marvoleath 💯
Strebenherz: and blocky pikachu!
Mr_Horrible: @Marvoleath yeah tbh the humility to say "yeah I eff'd up and this is why" is laudable and helps other people also own their own mistakes
CaptainSpam: Oh no. Zeta Shift will never be the same!
accountmadeforants: So what we've taken away from this is that all the AI techbros need to start dating people (just not one another)
Decaped: pikachu finally looks as dumb as he is
Juliamon: CaptainSpam Except that it will, because the Lego sets are already being scalped
Izandai: I think there is exactly zero reason to sass this guy. Not for previously being shitty, and not for the impetus for him no longer being shitty.
Laserbeaks_Fury: oh no, what does this mean for No One Bricksplodes
Coloneljesus: they transed the electric mouse
spethycakes: Only the OG starters are to my taste. The others aren't for me
TheMerricat:
Even the model for the picture is tired of this shit.
loufghyslaufey: I think the starter trio may have sold out in the preorder already....
RockPusher: I think the Pikachu is articulated which makes it look odd
accountmadeforants: Oh that's rad
Coloneljesus: GWP is lego's word for fomo
accountmadeforants: Megablocks uses a lot more custom parts for specific builds, which Lego tries to avoid
Mr_Horrible: the flatness of the pikachu model's face feels weird to me
loufghyslaufey: Fans have compared them it already
Mr_Horrible: the starter evos look better, imo
Laserbeaks_Fury: LEGO tries really hard to not make new bricks, so non-LEGO sets are more apt to custimze
spethycakes: I dislike both, but the second one is less creepy to me
Coloneljesus: can you look for the running mega one?
TheMerricat: Why do none of the human models in the Lego shots look happy?
Coloneljesus: i also remember a different one heather
Mr_Horrible: As seen on Zeta Shift (in potentia)
Mr_Horrible:
it's so you can do this to him: 
loufghyslaufey: You could do a Thanksgiving Parade LEGO City MOC for any of these Pokemon builds. They're just about the scaled balloon size(s)
Marvoleath: that's a neat looking lamp though
Mr_Horrible: I thought I read that the badge case was a preorder only thing, or something?
loufghyslaufey: The badges are looking like GWP the more I see them
Mr_Horrible:
Izandai:
loufghyslaufey: Gross
Lysander_salamander: heck
Mr_Horrible: hell! world! hell! world!
loufghyslaufey: Preorder, preorder, perorder
Strebenherz:
the badge thing hasn't been bought up yet has it
loufghyslaufey: Watch them depreciate by $100 within a month
Lysander_salamander: cheaper to make it out of spare legos
Aceviru: If they don't make enough, I'm good
Aceviru: Same with mtg
TheMerricat: I would love Lego to cross reference all of those scalping postings and cancel the orders of anyone who matches them.
loufghyslaufey: Still unapproachable <(=w=)>
RockPusher: It is a Very Big set
loufghyslaufey: $650?
Mr_Horrible: I suppose that is the subtle benefit of Lego trying not to create new bricks
Lysander_salamander: hahaha
Mr_Horrible: so you can sorta cobble together your own, esp if it's basic shapes mostly
EvilBadman: i was gonna pitch the 8 eevees set one year and then I left Zeta
RockPusher: The NES with the TV was a fun built
RockPusher: *build
loufghyslaufey: Tis reasons like this why the lot of us can't own at least a PS1 decaled PS5 controller or something
Coloneljesus: 7.99
Mr_Horrible: I love this article so much
Juliamon: oh yes, this story
Mr_Horrible: Aggro Crab rules
RockPusher: oh, yes
CaptainSpam: Oh yeah.
RockPusher: time for math
Juliamon: Aggro Crab based af
Invitare: $4.99999 recurring
Aceviru: $5 is a small bag of chips
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RockPusher:
Bruceski: Oh this was great
Juliamon: because they're entirely correct
RockPusher: Oh, I actually agree with it
RockPusher: it is just ridiculous
LilyOfTheVeil666: This is some Steiner Math-level shit /pos
margieargie: They say all five bucks are created equal, but...
Mr_Horrible: it sounds nuts when you spell it out like that but it also resonates with you on a soul level
loufghyslaufey: 2/3 of Hollow Knight! (season sales)
spethycakes: This does not resonate with me
Aceviru: In a rich person's mind this is true. I manage my own book. I don't mix it up
loufghyslaufey: 2/3rds
spethycakes: These are people who have literally not had to count by dollar while grocery shopping
Lysander_salamander: yeah makes sense
Mr_Horrible: this is the biggest point of contention I've seen, the debate rages whether 5 bucks stops at 7.99 or 8.00
Marvoleath: ppl trained on having to deal with $X.99 prices for life
EvilBadman: @mtvcdm I link the Calvin's dad version of this
Mr_Horrible: now we're adding context to the mix
Coloneljesus: @spethycakes maybe true but those people also aren't really who you want to sell games to (cause it's very hard)
Strebenherz: @EvilBadman the one where he's explaining rpm?
RockPusher: Does that differential exist for you Heather at $7?
EvilBadman: @Strebenherz yep
spethycakes: @Coloneljesus ah, so nobody wants to sell game to me...makes sense, I guess
Laserbeaks_Fury: a Quantum of Currency
Aceviru: $8 is 2 gallons of gas. 60 miles range.
Bruceski: @spethycakes There's the physical measure of poverty based on how much you make. Then there's the mental measure of poverty based on how much something has to cost before you think about it. I've had times when something being 25 cents cheaper mattered.
mtvcdm: Your brain rounds up and down to get to a nice even number
RockPusher: it feels like there is a meta-stable zone between 7-8
Izandai: @spethycakes People who don't have disposable income are not a large market segment.
EvilBadman: i've been in many of a meeting about the higher "tiers" of indie and the difference between 14.99, 19.99, and 24.99
Mr_Horrible:
"moxen basically cost 1, right?"
Marvoleath: How many games would you have on Epic if they were 1 cent and not free?
Izandai: @Mr_Horrible Moxen cost zero, but basics only cost a land drop, and that's basically the same.
RockPusher: Brains are deeply weird things
Territan: Less a philosophy of pricing ...and more of a pathology.
Laserbeaks_Fury: 5 is *right* out
spethycakes: @Izandai perilously close to "poor people shouldn't have fun or nice things" reasoning
Coloneljesus: @spethycakes it's not a prescriptive argument. it's descriptive. poor people don't buy many things.
Izandai: ^
EvilBadman: Oh we're all goofed up, some states just don't have sales tax
Juliamon: it sure is great living in a tax-free state, I say as I'm unable to buy anything anyway
spethycakes:
@Coloneljesus Sam Vimes might disagree with ya there 
Izandai: If you want a "help the poor" argument, a corollary of this observation is that if you want people in general to buy more things, the most efficient way to do that is to give poor people money.
Laserbeaks_Fury: And Florida has a huge sales tax, but lower income tax to fleece the tourists
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Juliamon: get ready to feel poor
frameshifty:
Juliamon: or possibly also be poor, or feel bad about people being poor
SocraticMethod: They also kind of muddle it because it's not eight dollars, it's 7 dollars and 99 cents, which is a huge psychological step
Izandai: @spethycakes If he did, he would be wrong.
CrossXhunteR: wheeler sent this raid off like the cops were after him
spethycakes: Some folks in chat aren't Terry Pratchett readers, I see
Coloneljesus: @CrossXhunteR were you followed?
Mr_Horrible:
@CrossXhunteR who's to say they weren't? I've seen some of his cube drafts
RubikDarkwill: Yeah, the denominations of notes are a big influence
ArtDecoSunburn: @Laserbeaks_Fury A major problem in Southern states. I grew up in Alabama, and it wasn't until I went to college in Massachusetts that I realized how regressive AL's taxes on groceries and prescriptions were, while vast tracts of timberland were untaxed.
CrossXhunteR: canadian game prices are wild
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod Of course, now without the penny in US, now sales will be in denominations of five cents.
Izandai: @spethycakes I am not, but I do understand the reference. But Boots Theory does not contradict the very simple and obvious observation that people with less income have less disposable income. If anything it reinforces it, because if not having savings means you have to spend more total money on necessities, then you have *even less* disposable income.
Marvoleath: Meanwhile me, living in a country were my bills are $200 a month, so buying a video game for that price is rough
CrossXhunteR: beej seems like someone that loves him a sale
RubikDarkwill: Reminds us how long Beej was looking for a new bed...
Mr_Horrible: the "You cannot break me" shopper mindset
Laserbeaks_Fury: GGDeals keeps track of how high the sale for a game has been on all the platforms
TheMerricat: This!
ArtDecoSunburn: @Izandai Hence Henry Ford paying his factory workers enough so they could afford his cars.
EvilBadman: @LordZarano dekudeal for console
Tiber727: Here's the thing, most sales are just a company having an inflated price just to have frequent discounts, but it still works out that you're a sucker for buying it when it's not on sale.
Aceviru: The only sale worth it is the one where they are about to discontinue the sku. 75% off is probably the best you'll get
Izandai: @ArtDecoSunburn Quite.
Mr_Horrible: I'm with Heather there, yeah. I see stuff on sale and think "oh I should snag that... but also I won't get around to it til the next sale at the earliest, so eh"
mtvcdm: Just about all of my wishlist goes on sale every Steam season so I take a different route of, here's how much money I will give myself for this, what is the best value/fun I can get out of my wishlist with this budget.
SocraticMethod: @ArtDecoSunburn We don't actually have <5c denominations other than collector's items and stores still price at .99c because either it's going to be rounded in total or credit/debit cards care about precision
Juliamon: I love doing the "it's not as good a sale as I've seen it before so I'll wait" because if it never gets back to that level I don't buy it, and that's money saved right there
ArtDecoSunburn: @Tiber727 And now algorithmic pricing is completely throwing off baseline costs in both rental markets and airline tickets.
Mr_Horrible: @mtvcdm also a good method, and one that gels well with the use of Steam Wishlist as "oh neat, I'll track that" rather than a "I'm actively following this"
Izandai:
@Juliamon 
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod I'm still convinced that as pennies grow scarce, 99 cent prices will disappear.
EvilBadman: @ArtDecoSunburn Nah, people aren't using pennies anyways. The psychology of .99 will persist
ContingentCat: wallpaper is surprisingly expensive for what it is
mtvcdm: @Mr_Horrible I also try and keep my wishlist at around 40, and will churn games off if I go one too many sales without pulling the trigger. If you're not one of the *forty* games I want most, I probably don't want you that badly.
LordZarano: I have alerts set up on isthereanydeal to email me if things on my wishlist are at at all-time store low on Steam
saiarcot895: kinda similar to art being sold: who's to say that this particular piece of art is worth $40 million, but this is worth $5? The $40 million one might be perceived as better, even if both are the same
GapFiller: EvilBadman it figures the 99p effect will continue into an entirely cash free society
Mr_Horrible: @mtvcdm yeah, mine could definitely stand a culling, although it currently also doubles as a quick reference for "oh I never actually picked that up back in the day" for some things
SocraticMethod: @GapFiller The Mackemore of psychology
ArtDecoSunburn: @saiarcot895 "Who's the say?" Primarily the people laundering money through art. Good point you make, though.
Marvoleath: @saiarcot895 a lot of art is valued as investment, so how likely you are to resale it, ergo less known artists that are great still may be not appreciated monetarily, since there are ppl who dont but for the aesthetics
Marvoleath: don't buy*
EvilBadman: that's how Humble works, we pick one person at random for each game every made and when they buy it, we bundle it up
SocraticMethod: Are you saying that Peak is, in fact, peak?
EvilBadman:
ArtDecoSunburn: @Marvoleath Some art never leaves tax free, offshore holding facilities. Simply changes hands as an investment or a hedge asset to store value.
RubikDarkwill: Turns out Ian likes lots of things
Marvoleath: @ArtDecoSunburn yup, or tax write off
Mr_Horrible: all the news that's fit to peruse
Ashmantle:
Mr_Horrible: yeah, they've got a lot of cute touches like that
TheAinMAP: !next
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RockPusher: Decadence Draft
Mr_Horrible: Aggro Crab is particularly good at those details
SocraticMethod: Merit badge for Dying Just Before Rescue
Mr_Horrible:
speaking of things that are 8 bucks
Aceviru: Lol
couchboyj: Draft with Luxury Pricing
EvilBadman: The card reader will be fighting for its life
Mr_Horrible: @EvilBadman Card Reader: "Stop giving me your hardest battles" Paul: "You are my strongest soldier"
mtvcdm: The ol, let WotC know how much you liekd this so they'll do more thing
mtvcdm: Former Game of the Year
Mr_Horrible: it won my nephew's talent show
SocraticMethod: Some people just don't vibe with J'RPGs
Coloneljesus: @Mr_Horrible deservedly so
Mr_Horrible: Step 2: "Complete the rest of the JRPG"
Valhallan597: that is pretty funny
noSmokeFire: they clearly missed all the foot stuff
Mr_Horrible: there's like, 75 people that espouse that, and everyone tells them off
Valhallan597: You mean it doesn't have underaged girls in bikinis?
Bruceski: @Valhallan597 You can put the underaged girl into a bikini
Laserbeaks_Fury: Abra-Cook_dabra would read better
ArtDecoSunburn: I'd love a Cubist-style JRPG. Final Fantasy Picasso.
Phailhammer:
hhhhhhhh
Mr_Horrible: there's been a fair few updates since the last CTS with it, so it'll be neat to see what comes up
ContingentCat: soon it'll be random residents of Victoria?
Mr_Horrible: James grills James with the hard-hitting questions
ArtDecoSunburn: James and a mirror.
RubikDarkwill: The wiki exists for a reason
GapFiller: Mr_Horrible why does Paul have a monopoly on the clone tech eh
CaptainSpam: The James-James interview could work as a prerecord.
RubikDarkwill: PvPvE
Bruceski: This is when they reveal that there's some member of the Moonbase who just does off-camera tech stuff and they never remember to talk about. "This week's guest, Kevin! We told you about Kevin, right?"
ZephyrousOne: Oh, like Warvraft CCG Raid
Mr_Horrible: Cwonos the Nuwu Dawn
Aceviru: Ooooh this game
Marvoleath: Death to Cronos?
CaptainSpam:
@Bruceski Gibb, Bartleby, Pistachio, Harry, Hooty.
Mr_Horrible: "Bloober might be getting better at making games"
SocraticMethod: Vagina Dentata: the Game
NonjaBiru: The apparently good Bloober Team game
TheAinMAP:
Marvoleath: Adam said it was giving Death Space vibe
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Mr_Horrible: yeah it's got some Dead Space vibes, but also isn't Calisto Protocol
Mr_Horrible: (which is a good thing to not be)
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod "Sponsored by both the toothpaste and feminine hygiene product divisions of Proctor and Gamble!"
Marvoleath: 102 bits is basically 100 bits though
Marvoleath:
ArtDecoSunburn: @Marvoleath Ha!
mtvcdm: 102 bits is five bucks
Mr_Horrible: Beej is flipping bits in his payments
Aceviru: That's smart. He knows how to use pennies
Mr_Horrible: bro paying in booleans
DoodlestheGreat: 10 q 4 strem
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Mr_Horrible:
thanks for the news, gang
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