Juliamon: summary: computers, eggs, and mid games
Juliamon: oh, and haggis
RockPusher: !quote beej
LRRbot: Quote #3085: "I was just setting fire to things." —Beej [2016-08-03]
TXC2: title change!
Manae: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: ChillPoint (Paul, Beej and Heather chat about Video Games and Video Game related news!) at Sat 01:00 PM PST (1s ago).
Manae:
TXC2: so close
RockPusher:
TXC2: CONTACT
TheMerricat: Chat, do you have audio?
TXC2: no audio here
TheMerricat:
Thanks 
RockPusher: Wonder if there is any leftover pizza for Chillpoint
TXC2: oh there it is
TheMerricat watched 20 consecutive streams and sparked a watch streak!
pleonasticTautology: happy saturday, everyone
kristian_fischer:
Hi all. I thought for a second it was Friday but there were some turtles around yesterday. 
Juliamon: yesterday felt more like a Saturday so it's fine
RockPusher double-checks and it is definitely Sunday morning
TXC2: a Saturday morning even
Akaiatana: @kristian_fischer Who are we but turtles in time?
pleonasticTautology: i only know yesterday was friday because my first time apprenticing as a judge was for an fnm
TXC2: TODAY!
Juliamon: anyway I couldn't sleep last night so maybe it still is friday
kristian_fischer: It's so chill, it's unconscious!
RockPusher: I liked turtles
TheMerricat: TBF Heather, Paul, and Beej are the most relaxed of the LRR crew I can think of.
kingandcommoner: Heroes in a Half Shell
kristian_fischer: I remember Pizza THE Hutt?
pleonasticTautology: i miss the pizza buffet...
pleonasticTautology: @kristian_fischer spaceballs: the reference
TXC2: can it still be a pizza without cheese?
RockPusher: banana, chocolate sauce, berry jam
kingandcommoner: I've had nutella pizza
TehAmelie: hi pails, how are the news today?
TXC2: hello TehAmelie welcome
Akaiatana: Much like 50 shades of grey, pizza places are topping from the bottom of the freezer.
RockPusher: opportunistic pizza
ArtDecoSunburn: That was the brilliance of CiCi's, the chain. All the flavors you could want.
pleonasticTautology: it IS gross
pleonasticTautology: i worked at the pizza hut in a target
RockPusher:
TheMerricat:
When I was a teenager working for McDonalds we'd do 'trades' with the local Pizza Hut - no money exchanged just whatever was leftover at the end of the day.
pleonasticTautology: i have a DEEP aversion to grease now
pleonasticTautology: heather Gets It
SymphonySolstice: out pizza'd the hut
RockPusher: The crew enjoyed it later
kingandcommoner: "bro"
pleonasticTautology: you mean homoplatonic
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pleonasticTautology: heteroplatonic is "being a friend with the opposite sex"
SymphonySolstice: gasp
TheMerricat: Henry Beej Rollins.
pleonasticTautology: paul is polyplatonic
kingandcommoner: What would bee Beej's wario's name?
Akaiatana: Eating pizza is just a slice of life anime
TXC2: Graham IS married....
TehAmelie: maybe i should say "what" are the news but that's not as funny
pleonasticTautology: @kingandcommoner brendan
TheMerricat:
@kingandcommoner Beej. You don't want to know what his Mario name is. 
ArtDecoSunburn: @pleonasticTautology I hope a platypus is involved somewhere in that framing.
RockPusher:
Very responsible 
TXC2: and it's already on Youtube, 'cause Heather is a wizard
LordZarano: !findquote liar
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TheMerricat:
LRR 'throwback Thurday' they play Concord, Anthem, and Highguard all day.
BlueMechanic: Concord 2: Electric Boogaloo
Getter404: There was a SLIGHT uptick that first weekend after they announced 5v5
pleonasticTautology: @ArtDecoSunburn i know some platypus furries, i can make that happen
Getter404: But then all this happened like 2-3 days later
SocraticMethod: @BlueMechanic Let's not be hyperbolic. Concord was a complete disaster. Highhuard was unsuccessful
SocraticMethod: 3 weeks before announcements
Juliamon: 98% playerbase dropoff
TehAmelie: ah yes, Concord. i thought the story was familiar but the name was wrong
TXC2: Concord felt like it was a money laundering front, Highguard is just bad.
ArtDecoSunburn: @pleonasticTautology Life really does find a way, I suppose. Good for that whole underrecognized genus, I suppose?
pleonasticTautology: paul i thought you'd have a kagi sub
Decaped: Remember when Battleborn closing servers after 4 years was the prime example?
Getter404: And Concord wasn't free to play, that thing was full price wasn't it?
TheMerricat: Goldfish memory chat, was Concord the game that got an episode on Secret Level even after it was canceled?
Getter404: Yep
SocraticMethod: @Getter404 $40 launch price
Juliamon: nah, kagi's fashy or transphobic (I forget which)
TXC2:
Juliamon there's a difference? 
SquareDotCube:
you mean, ten percent of everything 
accountmadeforants:
Damn they funded all of Highguard with only ten cents? 
ArtDecoSunburn: I mean, these days isn't it either Tencent, Saudi sovereign wealth, or hedge funds?
TheMerricat: @Juliamon Don't know if it's either, I do know that it's run by an AI company.
RockPusher:
a conspiracy to engage in a monetary transaction for marketing placement 
SocraticMethod: TBH maybe Tencent paid for a trailer, but the last spot was all Geoff being into it
Akaiatana: THAT;S why Paul is on Chillpoint, he's Graham's friend.
TXC2: Geoff could have just really liked to look of the game, no conspiracy.
RockPusher: breaking this whole "paying money for things" thing right open!
Getter404: Greogg Keighley
SocraticMethod: From what I've seen Highguard is pretty good if the team is competent. I could see that Geoff being wowed by the curated experience.
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat Unfortunately all too much AI-adjacent these days veers towards fascist friendly. Palantir, etc.
TheMerricat: We presume Geoff's "I played it and am really interested in it" isn't also the result of money.
TheMerricat: @ArtDecoSunburn 100%
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod At first I read this as an actual trailer, like an RV in which they were road-tripping.
Akaiatana: Don't second-geoff your enjoyment of games
Getter404: There's also that nagging thought at the back of my head that Highguard got put in the crosshairs because it had the gall to not be Half Life 3. The conspiracy theorists were CONVINCED that it was going to be the big thing and feel that it was "stolen" from them
TXC2:
Akaiatana booooo 
SocraticMethod: @Getter404 Nah, it's was in crosshairs because "from the makes of Titanfall and Apex Legends" was not Titanfall 3
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Hey, the pun is the fundamental basis of all civilization.
TheMerricat: Would Highguard have even had 98% of its playerbase to LOSE if it hadn't been the last trailer in the Games Awards?
Getter404: Never forget: The "last thing" was that Fast & Furious game. Or that Matrix tech demo for UE5.
SocraticMethod: @TheMerricat Maybe, Maybe not. They had a pretty big marketing push with sponsored streams
accountmadeforants: Everyone's still trying to do the "one more thing" bit and it works maybe once in a blue moon.
SquareDotCube: you know, thinking about it, the TGAs do seem to be more biased toward the appeal of male coded gamers than female coded gamers, which might be why it feels like it's got a bit of an unsettling shadow every year
TXC2: SquareDotCube that's just the game industry at large.
TheMerricat: @SquareDotCube Not disagreeing but is that really the TGA or a reflection of the video game industry in whole?
Akaiatana: Steve Jobs didn't invent improv
SquareDotCube: Mainstream game industry you mean
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 It's sad to see artificial gender wars replicated across media.
TXC2: Steve Jobs didn't invent
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn indeed
TheMerricat: Steve Jobs stole and lied. And charmed and bullied, and led. But Steve Jobs did not invent.
ArtDecoSunburn: Also, to Beej, as someone who used to do shortform and transitioned to longform improv, I appreciate your breakdown of the beats of a show.
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat He did invent new ways of being a jerk. Like leasing a car in monthly increments so he could have a temporary car tag so he could park in handicapped spots.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Akaiatana I'd like to see a half Steve Jobs, half Viola Spolin costume.
TXC2: Geoff seems earnest
Akaiatana: Geoff Keighley is wealthy enough to not have social insecurities about games.
TheMerricat: I mean from all accounts that I've heard, Highguard _isn't_ a bad game. It's a _redundant_ game.
accountmadeforants: Apple and HP collab
SocraticMethod: @TheMerricat what does that even mean
accountmadeforants:
Man was going full at some points
TheMerricat: @SocraticMethod It means it wasn't a bad game, it also wasn't a game that was actually good enough to wrest a slice of the playerbase from the pie that is the playerbase of all the other games that it is like.
Akaiatana: @SocraticMethod Redundant games are games where every aspect of the game is done better by some other games, and doesn't stand out in any real facet
RockPusher: TheMerricat indeed, I don't think there is any judgement on the game and the team that made it - more the problem of an industry that is expecting record-shattering sales in a saturated market
SocraticMethod: @TheMerricat I wouldn't say it was a redundant, I would say it was a niche. There are not many 3v3 phased objective games. It's really unfriendly to casuals though
TXC2: it was announced Feb 2023, so probably a few years before that was the start
SocraticMethod: Wildlight initial founding 2021, Official announcements 2023. So somewhere in between
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod Is being unfriendly to casual gamers a recurrent problem from the industry? So many new games seem hostile to newcomers.
DoodlestheGreat: Highguard felt like a fantasy skin on Borderlands, and we've got Tiny Tina's Wonderlands at home.
TXC2: the "WoW Killer" was a term for about a decade
SocraticMethod: @ArtDecoSunburn There are entire swathes of casual-friendly games coming in, it's just that they are usually in Apple arcade instead of TGAs
aerohydra: minecraft to roblox, same idea
SocraticMethod: Also, balancing for casuals vs balancing for sweats has been age-old problem
Akaiatana: There are a lot of indie games out there that are not fantastic, but perfectly functional. It's good the devs got to work and grow, but the games are not distinct enough to get recommendations by word of mouth or be celebrated by a large number of people.
Bruceski: @ArtDecoSunburn I think for certain types of games it's an easy design trap to fall into even if you're not doing it on purpose.
TheMerricat: See COD.
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod Interesting. Sort of like the difference between popcorn flicks and auteur movies that compete for Oscars?
TXC2: the Game as Service problem
TheMerricat: Speaking of Destiny I really have my fingers crossed for Marathon pulling out of its PR pit.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Bruceski Because the designers are so embedded in games already?
TXC2: it is Heather
SocraticMethod: @ArtDecoSunburn Not really? It would be more like if Marvel films didn't even care about Oscars
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod I'm not terribly familiar with this part of the game industry, so this is helpful clarification.
SocraticMethod: Also, neither Marvel Rivals nor Overwatch are 3v3 phased objective shooters. They have completely different flows. It's like comparing Overwatch to MOBAs
TheMerricat:
See also Hello Sky and those poor devs who feel like they have to keep adding to NMS.
CaptainSpam: Isn't "comparing Overwatch to MOBAs" literally what killed Battleborn?
SymphonySolstice: @ArtDecoSunburn It could be part of it. whenever this kind of topic comes up I remember how many people couldn't get past the tutorial for cuphead because they didn't realize not everyone would have the intuition to double jump or air dash, whichever it was
LoadingReadyRun: even if Highguard is different from Overwatch, i
Decaped: know what fits in that bucket? Kiln by Doublefine
Decaped: and i don't think it's doing too well
Earthenone: shooter fans tend to like absurd graphics and audio
LoadingReadyRun: d argue that their are competing for a similar audience
TheMerricat: @LoadingReadyRun 100%
ArtDecoSunburn: @SymphonySolstice Fascinating. As someone who hates jump mechanics, I can relate to that. So much of user interface design is premised on a very specific shared gaming background.
SocraticMethod: @CaptainSpam No, Overwatch reveal killed overwatch. They weren't similar games but everyone was still riding on Blizzard hype wave.
Earthenone:
i thought it was co op 
SquareDotCube: @LoadingReadyRun And even then, they're behind right now with how the "friendslop" genre is taking off in the last year
TheMerricat:
Angry Old Man Dev yells at Cloud.
kingandcommoner: God of Vania
Getter404: I mean, I'm happy for TC Carson getting a spotlight, he was fun
TheMerricat: Chat, to set expectations, he also was responsible for Twisted Metal.
SocraticMethod: @LoadingReadyRun I kinda agree. The core target audience doesn't overlap, but the playerbase needs big enough to sustain the devs and 100 California-paid devs needs much more than just the niche core audience
Getter404: And then he did Drawn To Death and didn't get to make games for Sony anymore
TXC2: bibliography ?
Earthenone:
a streamer?
Bruceski: Professional cloud-yeller
RockPusher:
Those games came on discs, therefore discography is accurate
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Getter404: The best thing I've heard about it is it's VERY easy to Platinum
SocraticMethod: Just a Guy(tm)
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SymphonySolstice: @ArtDecoSunburn it's a problem that comes up with any sort of interactive system. you have to make a lot of decisions about previous experience on behalf of your potential userbase, and some people are abysmally bad at evaluating entry level vs veteran base knowledge
LordZarano: @TheMerricat Makes sense, like ludonarative
SocraticMethod: Pokemon-ass locking core features behind game progress
ArtDecoSunburn: @SymphonySolstice Often the case with assumed shared references. What is "canon" is a presumed lingua franca. Yet gaming and gamers are more diverse now. Not everyone has played the same thing the same way.
fuzzy_died: New game plus has been part of games since NES days
TheMerricat: To one clarification that I've noticed that might make the coop decision more sense... it's not a coop campaign. You unlock a separate CHALLENGE mode that is solo or coopable.
Earthenone: 2p mode locking makes SOME sense, like i enjoyed thig game, now i can share it with someone
Serpens77: you could also play 3 player, but you needed the controller expansion cord thingie
Eklinaar: @Serpens77 The multitap
SocraticMethod: Quite a few games have co-op locked behind completing tutorial or introductory mission. Borderslands and Far Cry's come to mind.
Doc_Layzah: Did you have to beat portal 2 before unlocking 2 player?
Strebenherz: One of the joys of bg3 is experiencing things for the first time with someone
Strebenherz: And screwing up on things ofc
TheMerricat: @Doc_Layzah Not that I recall, P2's coop campaign was a separate deal. It wasn't the main story.
TXC2: Doc_Layzah no, but you'd lost as to what to do if you hadn't
TXC2:
must we? 
ArtDecoSunburn: Not to mention taking all of our electricity.
TheMerricat: The main story in Portal 1 and 2 was Chell - a presumed human - escaping from GLADOS. The coop campaign were two robots GLADOS created for their 'tests' that had to complete a separate area in service _of_ GLADOS.
TXC2: it's taking the wafers the RAM would be printed on and hoarding them
SymphonySolstice: I was thinking about buying a framework laptop, now I'm worried I'm gonna have to do a blood sacrifice to afford it
DoodlestheGreat: Give it a week.
SymphonySolstice: very glad I bought a new seagate drive in september
RockPusher: and Toshiba tend to be more enterprise than consumer side
ArtDecoSunburn: @SymphonySolstice Have you considered running it on punchcards and mercury memory lines?
TheMerricat: Chat, this isn't a negation of the bad news, but just a reminder - there is a -huge- market in refurbished hard drives these days as datacenters rotate out their older stuff.
TXC2: it's not inventory, it's Production capacity that has been sold, the Drives haven't even been built (at might not even be)
Decaped: I know this story sounds scary, but just look for how many datacenter projects get canceled.
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 (Shakes head in sad agreement) Drive futures.
SymphonySolstice: @ArtDecoSunburn gonna go back to programming on a jaquard loom
Laserbeaks_Fury: it's a good scape, whether it's truely causing delays or not
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn yeap, exactly what it is
RockPusher: On the consumer side, I am hoping that some amount of that production being spoken for is going to some retailers
TXC2:
so it's by timezone?
TXC2: RockPusher it's not
ArtDecoSunburn: @SymphonySolstice Easier to smash with shoes than a data center when the Sabats rise up.
TheMerricat:
@ArtDecoSunburn I read that as Seabats.
TheMerricat: Yes.
LordZarano: Steam Deck OLED 512GB & 1TB are still available in the UK, for now
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat Hah. Seabateurs.
SocraticMethod: Aren't enterprise drivers actually less reliable in general since start/stop is what usually kills the HDDs?
TheMerricat: They absolutely can be used. I've got twice refurbished HDS that used to be data center drives sitting on the desk next to me spinning right now.
TheMerricat: At worse, you need to swap out a controller board.
ArtDecoSunburn: Somewhere there's an old IBM salesman from the Sixties thinking, "Hot dog! Magnetic drum drives are back!"
TehAmelie: i went for a grocery run; did we cover the Warthunder newa?
SocraticMethod: And datacenter drivers are spec'd for 24/7 use instead of consumer use.
eid010n: Looking at the rate of build of these white eleph I mean data centers these HDDs are going to be sat cold in warehouses with the majority of the AI GPU units.
SocraticMethod: @TehAmelie Not yet
Serpens77: no one can stop the Beej
TheMerricat:
@TheMerricat twice refurbished = 12 refurbished, my brain fingers connection seems to be flacky.
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod You mean you're not consistently backing up NSA data on your gaming laptop?
TehAmelie: actually maybe i should ask what stories we have covered. so i might google about them
TXC2: TehAmelie highguard and now AI bad
LordZarano: Ultrastar is their datacentre brand
TXC2: I presume next will be EGG!
TehAmelie: oh, i know those without a google search'
Decaped: @eid010n Some enterprising hacker is gonna have a 20 GPU gaming rig outputting on the side of a barn in Arizona
TheMerricat: So nothing that Beej is saying is incorrect. But a reminder the primary difference between the non-consumer drives and consumer drives is that non-consumer drives are built to a _higher_ QA level. It's a bit like the old days of CPU overclocking where lower rated CPUs were the same as higher rated ones, just they came from a batch that had more failures.
LordZarano: Their top-end drives are also filled with helium, for data stability, which is wild
Eklinaar: Good news is that when the AI bubble bursts, prices will come tumbling down. Unless the manufacturers also go out of business.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Eklinaar Other bad news is that we'll go in a post-DotCom style recession.
TehAmelie: helium. one of these days they're gonna propose a mission to the sun just to get us more helium.
Laserbeaks_Fury: I can't imagine any production business would see the AI bubble and commit to making drives without being paid in full up front
eid010n: If we see a buildout of RAM and storage manufacturing capacity, that might be the only real legacy benefit we get out of this sorry tulip market.
terribleplan: HBM is a different module than what goes on DDR sticks
TXC2:
oh forget the dot.com bubble burst, the Ai bubble burst is gonna be 2008 credit crisis level
Eklinaar: @Laserbeaks_Fury That isn't how the AI economy works at all, hardly anyone is getting paid anything, except Nvidia which is sitting on a hoard of money like a dragon.
ArtDecoSunburn: @TehAmelie We used to have a strategic helium repository run by the government.
TXC2: and Debt WILL come due, and soon
TehAmelie: it is a very rare element, outside of the sun
kingandcommoner: What's it called when you Fire Festival an entire industry?
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Not before Ellison uses that debt to buy Warner Bros.
TheMerricat: @TehAmelie We actually have the ability to create helium on planet. It's part of nuclear reactions. We just have so much naturally avaliable helium ATM that no one has looked into making that a commercial process.
RockPusher: The massive risk and damage that will occur when the bubble pops is the sudden financial implications of those credit-lines become due
ArtDecoSunburn: @kingandcommoner "Detroit 1970"
TXC2: kingandcommoner Capitalism
RockPusher: that's what makes bubbles dangerous
TehAmelie: oh my
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn didn't netflix do that already?
RockPusher: credit is mean't to be good banking to smooth out liquidity issues
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat When we had the helium reserve, there was an amazing industry fight between MRI manufacturers and the party balloon companies over prices for the gas.
RockPusher: but then the malignancy of the financial services twists it into a problem
Eklinaar: Well, none of us care if OpenAI goes belly-up. Investors care a great deal.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Toys R Us, probably
RockPusher: It's going to be the taxpayers, Beej
Vinewood_OG: The taxpayer that bails them out
TXC2:
and then the government does a bailout, and the taxpayers are fucked for another generation
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 It's being held up by European regulators and threats from the Trump administration. Ellison keeps offering more Oracle AI money to WB shareholders.
TehAmelie: ha, i mean as far as i know almost all the helium on Earth is used for party balloons
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn ah
TXC2: EGG!
Getter404: !egg
BlueMechanic: From what I've heard of the Escapist it's basically no human writers and all AI
TheMerricat: @BlueMechanic This.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Eklinaar An old college friend is a VP of public relations for OpenAI. She's had a rough year.
RockPusher:
Wolfstrike_NL:
Cowards
Strebenherz: It was hilarious ngl
TXC2: BlueMechanic Gods that's tragic
Decaped: thank you for not producing yoshi goatse
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 2007-2010 redux.
RockPusher: You will Experience Beej!
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn exactly
Eklinaar: @ArtDecoSunburn Good luck to your friend on her upcoming job search in a couple years.
Marvoleath: If the egg was white chocolate though, now we're talkin
SocraticMethod: Haching your Yoshi Gatcha Egg to see if it's a shiny
Doc_Layzah: Makes me think of that 90s toy that was a dog that had puppies
DoodlestheGreat: Depends on what the soap, etc. is made of.
RockPusher: There were those archaeological excavation things Graham had for the Dump Truck at DB at one point
TXC2:
putting "I spent that time smoking weed and masturbating" might be better for you CV then saying you worked for an "AI" company
DoodlestheGreat: Ishkabibble?
Eklinaar: @TXC2 Nah middle managers loooove AI.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Eklinaar Couple of months more likely, if she's smart and leaves early. At that level in that industry, it's all revolving doors and soft landings at even more capitalized companies. Like my friends in automated driving. They switch companies every three years.
TXC2:
Eklinaar yeah 
Juliamon: I remember having toys in plastic egg shells designed so that you could reassemble the egg. I don't know why that technology was tossed aside in favour of... this shit
ArtDecoSunburn: @Eklinaar (Poses question to Chat GPT) "How can I be even more of an ineffectual jerk?"
TXC2: so you have to rebuy the egg
Strebenherz: A what
RockPusher: Hahahaha
RockPusher: It sounds like my Star Wars obsessed sister would love that
RockPusher: heck, I assume she probably has one
radiowasabi2014: i'm teddy dustbin im a lollipop
ArtDecoSunburn: I had a toy car that played "La Cucaracha." Drove my parents crazy with it.
TXC2:
I had the toy gun that made noise as a kid, loved it, then found it when I was 14 and could not stand it
DoodlestheGreat: I preferred quiet toys, too. Sadly for my parents, my siblings were not as adverse.
radiowasabi2014: captain power with the ship that you fired at the tv like a gun
TXC2:
oh Adam
radiowasabi2014: still lowkey disappointed the cartoon didn't get concluded
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Was it a cap gun that poofed smoke when the caps struck?
TheMerricat: @radiowasabi2014 It didn't? I could have sworn there was a finale for Captain Power....
RockPusher: As kids we did seem to have an innate sense of Cool Technology when it came to toys
Getter404: I was just BARELY too young for Ruxpin, I had to settle for that non-moving robot that did choose your own adventure stuff
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn no, it was electronic
radiowasabi2014: the cartoon for teddy ruxpin i mean
TXC2: the "laser" gun
TheMerricat:
@TheMerricat Oh I just looked it up.. I must have missed the 'ending'.
RockPusher wonders how well the upcoming LEGO Smart Brick stuff will be received
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Cool. I will point out the Air and Space Museum has a collection of "laser" gun toys from science fiction merchandise lines.
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn neat!
TXC2: was it Tim Allen's voice?
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher About as well anything that combines Star Wars fans and LEGO fans.
kingandcommoner: no, the worst is sitll afurby
SquareDotCube: Burz Liffyerr to da rezque
TheMerricat:
Paul I hate to break it to you, that toy was actually possessed.
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ZombieHendrix: heck ya, StarCom
radiowasabi2014: even tho the combining transformers existed, parents never wanted to get all the toys to put them all together
ArtDecoSunburn: Did anyone else from the elder millennial cohort have the "Dick Tracy" movie toys? They were the weirdest action figure proportions.
Getter404: @radiowasabi2014 I had like 3 Constructicons and it sucked
ArtDecoSunburn: @ZombieHendrix StarCom was amazing. Magnets! Gears! Vague futuristic United Nations!
TheMerricat:
@ArtDecoSunburn Fitting given the movie's asthetic.
RockPusher: It is sad how much the gender binary is still enforced in the toy aisle
ZombieHendrix: @ArtDecoSunburn And all those little plastic visors that you would lose all of
TheMerricat: IB4 the poor town is destroyed by annoying SH fans.
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher Which really only starts in the 1970s. Look at older ads at how Legos are not gendered before then.
Getter404: Get Wales Interactive onboard, first all-FMV Silent Hill game
ArtDecoSunburn: @ZombieHendrix They and LEGO visors. Don't know if Playmobil had them, but probably lost them as well. Also the backpacks.
RockPusher:
Fishing village sounds very bleeding-out-in-the-snow coded
TheMerricat: @ArtDecoSunburn TBF, the whole gendering thing started in the 40's with the "pink for girls, blue for boys" deal because they wanted parents to have to buy two sets of everything....
LordZarano: Fife rhymes with knife
Juliamon: TheMerricat Didn't it start the other way around? Pink for boys?
SocraticMethod: Red for boys, blue for girls
SocraticMethod: But the pastel/light-colour for girls has been consistent
TheMerricat: @Juliamon Pink was seen as masculine, yes. Blue was 'dainty' and 'calming' thus for girls.
Bruceski: I grew up in a town that was just population storage for people working at the next town over. The place felt kinda creepy even during the daytime.
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat It takes a while to kick in. Television ads really take it to overdrive. Lego magazine ads in the 60s feature mixed gender. You're spot on about how sad double branding and dividing the market is. No sense in needlessly gendering bicycles except for profits.
Laserbeaks_Fury: most fishing village horror leans to the occult
TXC2: right chat I'm off
RockPusher: Good old UT
RockPusher: 'night TXC2
TXC2: Goodnight everybody, and thanks for streaming LRR
TheMerricat: Night @TXC2 !
SocraticMethod: Hell yeah UT2004! The best worst tournament shooter of my youth
SquareDotCube: Sounds like a CTS waiting to happen
TheMerricat:
God I miss playing Unreal.... maybe it's time....
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat Yup. Little Edwardian boys gussied up in pink sailor outfits. Girls with blue ribbons.
SquareDotCube: UT2004, the wild turnaround that was Digial Extremes' take with UT2003
Morrigan9: the patch is a seperate .zip. i did it recently
TheMerricat: One of the hallmark games in the vein of Doom & Quake
RockPusher: Effectively the next big LAN game after Quake
ArtDecoSunburn: @Bruceski I like the implication that your town's residents were just stacked up like cordwood until their shifts started the next town over.
TheMerricat: Unreal was a story game. Unreal 2 was a story game too.
Getter404: And without Unreal Tournament we wouldn't have Digital Extremes, and thus no Warframe
Akaiatana: There is UT 99, 2003, 2004
SocraticMethod: Unreal Tournament backstory that it's a bloodsports to keep the masses entertained in dystopia
SquareDotCube: UT 2004 introduced the vehicle modes to the series. Pancaking and circle strafing with a Manta never gets old
SocraticMethod: It's interesting because Epic did try to memoryhole Unreal 1 and 2
SocraticMethod: @SquareDotCube Oh man, the spaceship attack levels. So much jank. So good
SquareDotCube: @SocraticMethod also the two land trains in the desert map, I remember that
RubikDarkwill: Forks
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat Very much so. Do you know if much is done to preserve it the way software historians do with Quake and Doom?
JKBalch: Rip
Akaiatana: Sue you
ContingentCat: sue us comrade
JKBalch: Hold on, what was that last one
ArtDecoSunburn: "Sue me" is a song from "Guys and Dolls," I'm pretty sure. Paging Nathan Lane.
TheMerricat: @ArtDecoSunburn I just learned of it as Paul mentioned it, but it looks like that's exactly what's going on. They have downloads for the full install of Unreal, UT1999, and UT2004
SocraticMethod: Time to move from github to gitlab /s
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat Cool. Thanks for passing that along. Love to see this stuff maintained.
RockPusher: DMCA abuse to avoid litigating an issue which they would lose in many jurisdictions
ContingentCat: welcome to 2026 "it never gets better"
Decaped: won't get better until we have better copyright laws, so never.
terribleplan: Emulation is where you don't have to buy the CONSOLE. Not buying the game is piracy.
ArtDecoSunburn: The software emulation movement led by a consortium of Yale, CMU, and others is doing great stuff for playability of older Windows/DOS games.
terribleplan: One does not necessarily imply the other.
ArtDecoSunburn: @ContingentCat "Copyright. It never changes." (Cue the Inkspots)
Foxmar320: Im not a fan of Rayman 1.
TheMerricat: Chat, lets be honest. How many people actually know Rayman for Rayman and how many people know Rayman because of Rabids?
Foxmar320: I would LOVE a new Rayman Origins/Legends game
ArtDecoSunburn: I kind of wish there were a "Rainman" version of "Rayman," with a limited edition Dustin Hoffman counting cards.
Bruceski: A week or so ago I saw a streamer demoing some bundle, I don't know if it's the same thing. Had a bunch of versions of the games including some published level packs done by devs and fans.
TheMerricat:
@ArtDecoSunburn
pprroogg: I remember the early Rayman games being insanely difficult as a kid.
kingandcommoner: that was like a Wii U launch title right?
Bruceski: Kinda neat, if you REALLY like Rayman 1
Foxmar320: The original game is not good
kingandcommoner: The original game is very difficult (clunky)
Foxmar320: I can give you a short list of good Sonic games... it's a short list
TheMerricat:
Beej, just think of it like Star Trek TNG - The first season sucks. But it's a good series.
Bruceski: Rayman 1 is a very big learning curve, and people forget they had to go through that to the point they can enjoy the game.
Bruceski: rocket knight, I think?
kingandcommoner: Sonic is popular DESPITE his games
Foxmar320: Rocket Knight sounds correct
Bruceski: I define those mascot games as "designed for the t-shirt."
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat The Tasha Yar Corollary?
TheMerricat:
@ArtDecoSunburn
kingandcommoner: Crash 1 has a lot of issues
ArtDecoSunburn: @kingandcommoner It's amazing how much staying power as a brand that little ring-eating blue hedgehog has.
RockPusher:
Jazz Jackrabbit is where things were at
Foxmar320: Crash 1 is a game.
Foxmar320: omg Rystar was amazing
TheMerricat:
@RockPusher Jill of the Jungle.
SquareDotCube: Ristar was Treasure, IIRC.
RockPusher:
TheMerricat also good
Jet_Almighty: I thought it was pronounced wrist-star
Foxmar320: You can say is either way
Foxmar320: Ive heard plenty of people say both
SquareDotCube: Oh Ristar was Sonic Team, huh
Eklinaar: Wasn't Facebook doing something like this, too
Foxmar320: Yep Ristar was Sonic Team back when they were allowed to make things without Sonic
ContingentCat: yeah tiktok sometimes has problems where they don't care about your settings
ArcOfTheConclave: "you have damaged our brand"
aerolend: Some corporatiin should make an AI nintendo emulator. Bring on the apocalypse.
Getter404: In booty shorts and knee-high boots, yeah
RockPusher:
"We would like to discuss your breach of contract." "Lol. lmao. Do you know how many lawyers we can afford." 
ArtDecoSunburn: @aerolend What company doing so would must blow people's minds and usher in said apocalypse? My money would be on Disney. Or perhaps Tesla.
Ned_Flandalorian: this sounds like how those hero wars ads are made
RockPusher:
"Fine, we'll go to the lawmakers." "Lol, lmao. Do you know how many politicians we have bought."
ProcyonFlynn: If you're actually >paying< and they're still doing this? Feels like there's some contractual responsibilities
Gekyouryuu: on the topic of AI ripoffs, I'm at my LGS and two or three kids here have playmats that are outright stealing LRR's Diagram design, but they moved "The Pile" to be sideways on the bottom, underneath the Dead Stuff and Really, Really Dead Stuff, and all layered on top of obviously AI art.
TehAmelie: i'm not sure people will even remember Evony. . .
LordZarano: It's like mobile game ads with fake gameplay. Apparently it works, cause they keep doing it
aerolend:
@Gekyouryuu 
ArtDecoSunburn: @Gekyouryuu I'm amazed the playmat market is large enough to support knock-offs.
TehAmelie: (my lord)
ContingentCat: That's really upsetting given a signifigant amount of my instagram ads are from local tattoo artists advertising flash
TheMerricat: I feel like this is lawsuit territory.
aerolend: No release date yet, but it's wishlistable on steam.
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RockPusher: well this is sounding terrible to start
Akaiatana: (Matthew Ball is a hack)
ProcyonFlynn: [Have been in and out of audio - has the StopKillingGames news come up?]
SocraticMethod: Matthew Ball is an English ballet dancer and is currently a principal dancer with The Royal Ballet.
Decaped: The name may be familiar because he's been doing these reports yearly and chillpoint has talked about them
ArtDecoSunburn: The growth is going to Roblox from elsewhere is how I understand it?
niccus: twitch thinks it's separate, it's got a whole roblox tab
ArtDecoSunburn: Is it because Roblox generates money from different types of microtransactions for content creators on the platform?
TehAmelie: i think the term is "pornographer"
ArtDecoSunburn: @TehAmelie Ha.
TheMerricat: So I think it's obvious to chat that Ball is a shyster but in case you weren't aware he's also the head of a metaverse ETF and most of his reports are focused on making things look good for their investments....
RockPusher: spend is a strong word… burned?
ContingentCat: I think the few people still in it are really in it
RockPusher: destroyed. yeeted.
ArtDecoSunburn: I believe cryptocurrency is generally indistinguishable from money laundering and commodity speculating.
Decaped: I have quite a few friends who just treat crypto as another form of gambling
RockPusher: spend implies receiving something in return
Jet_Almighty: It seems like a throughput of using crypto to launder, if anything.
SocraticMethod: @RockPusher You can spend on bet sites, too. Doesn't really require guaranteed return
SquareDotCube: It's more, we're spending a lot of *pretend* money. Yeah, okay, all money is pretend, but... where, exactly, do you take these billions of value from?
j_crane330: We have one bitcoin that was given to us in years ago and we have no idea
Jet_Almighty: I technically have a old bitcoin wallet but saved on an old hard drive.
ArtDecoSunburn: @SquareDotCube State employee retirement funds.
RockPusher: Do whales whale?
ArtDecoSunburn: @Jet_Almighty Hopefully not lost in a landfill like that one drive a guy spent millions searching for in a dump in the UK.
Jet_Almighty: No, it's definitely on hand
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher It's not that different from 19th century whaling, when you get down to it.
RockPusher: "I'm a whale." "You are full of blubber?" "I mean, yes…"
ProcyonFlynn: Well it beats another person blaming streamers with the whole 'people are watching games instead of playing'
iris_of_ether: Or commute because you're being forced to do that now
SquareDotCube: turns out the time budget does not excatly inflate
j_crane330: or spend time here
aerolend: At least 5.
ArtDecoSunburn: So you're saying we should be gaming rather than watching LRR in order to salvage the economy?
Akaiatana: Matthew Ball was huge on The Metaverse
iris_of_ether:
You can do both, you know
ContingentCat: we should be gaming while watching LRR
ArtDecoSunburn: Got it. Economy is a three card monte game.
drcthulu: you can give us money that we can spend on video games
terribleplan: Because the economy is based on adding more and more middle-men to increase the apparent GDP
iris_of_ether: You're on the second screen right now!
Jet_Almighty: I pay LRR in adrev, if it's any difference.
ProcyonFlynn:
that makes sense
ButButTheJesus: yep glad we solved that
RockPusher: Keeping LRR alive in the hope that they will continue running on the comedy treadmill to generate my serotonin
Laserbeaks_Fury: Spending money on LRR to make me laugh so they can spend money elsewhere is what I like to call Tickle-Down Economics
ButButTheJesus: buying? a house?
ProcyonFlynn: Blizzard ... why and HOW are you getting worse?
SocraticMethod: FF14 does have housing shortage crisis on popular servers
aerolend: Has anyone built a Warcraft house IRL yet?
CaptainSpam: One would think this is a joke, and yet...
Decaped: Nah, Blizzard is doing great right now. WoW and Diablo sales are up and the players are as happy as you can expect gamers to ever be.
ButButTheJesus: non-euclidean, just what i need
ArtDecoSunburn: "House Hunters Blizzard" on HGTV incoming.
RockPusher: thicc welcome mat
ContingentCat: not very welcoming
ArtDecoSunburn: @ButButTheJesus I had a dorm room once that term described. It was like something out of Lovecraft.
definenull: Scrandle but for houses?
TheMerricat: If you were selling that house, you'd sue Zillow for driving down your price.
TehAmelie: MMOs are dangerous. i almost got back on Eve Online the other day, but i was saved by complications in the payment procedure. can't imagine how bad WoW gets
TheMerricat:
Heather comes home to find out that Beej has purchased a whole joke home.
ArtDecoSunburn: @TehAmelie Did muscle memory click in after a few minutes of play?
Akaiatana: Oh good, knighted, not naked
TehAmelie: not really. i have lost all my good ships, just did some low level freight
aerolend: Expedition 28
definenull: It would suck the be the 29th dev onwards
ContingentCat: Huh I didn't know France did that
ArtDecoSunburn: @TehAmelie Still sounds fun.
TheMerricat: They needed to elevate someone with Ubisoft circling the toliet.
Decaped: Hey! You stopped before saying they knight David Cage!
ButButTheJesus: 28 knights who know how to parry
definenull: But they can only move in L shapes
aerolend:
@ButButTheJesus 
ButButTheJesus:
Getter404: I thought it was 32 and a dog
ArtDecoSunburn: @Getter404 Hopefully now Sir Dog.
kingandcommoner: I would have a new nametag printed in seconds
SocraticMethod: Actually, the Knighting by the order explicidly does not allo "Sir" title
radiowasabi2014: but they're french knights so they're all chevaliers
definenull: Tbf, I hoped the VAs would also get some recognition
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod Makes sense, as an order of the Republic.
SquareDotCube: not a Savoy in sight
RockPusher: Three grades, Chevalier the lowest and allowed 200 a year
gualdhar: what the bus is a human serviette
RockPusher: Officier and Commandeur being the grade progressions
Thefluffiestguineapig:
@RockPusher What currency is that in and when was that designated out of curiosity 
RockPusher: Thefluffiestguineapig oh, to clarify, up to 200 new members a year
Thefluffiestguineapig: @RockPusher OH I thought you meant the income from the title which is a medieval thing
Getter404: oh no
ArtDecoSunburn: Is there a fictional French government in the CO33 world? Is it a monarchy or republican?
ContingentCat: Nardwar is so good
RockPusher:
Thefluffiestguineapig France, having some rocky historical changes of state, this whole order was founded in 1957
Thefluffiestguineapig: @RockPusher That's part of why I was so shocked
RockPusher: Thefluffiestguineapig though the wiki suggests it stems from older orders dating back to 1469
Thefluffiestguineapig: @RockPusher Still not terribly old
ContingentCat: I came across Nardwar doing interviews again recently
aerolend: What if that's the good timeline?
darkcyril: To be fair, going back in time for a dumb reason is probably less harmful than most reasons for going back in time.
RockPusher: Utilising Beej's cruft for comedy
aerolend: cruft bear
Thefluffiestguineapig: There's a lot of bad reasons to go back in time
gualdhar: AAAHHH
aerolend: take care
gualdhar: oh thats a window
RockPusher: instructions unclear, looked down
Decaped: I want to go back in time and compare major changes to chocolate snacks
darkcyril: @RockPusher Uninvert your vertical axis controls.
definenull: Toucan scarf!
Thefluffiestguineapig: Instructions unclear looked in microscope
ArtDecoSunburn: @darkcyril There's a short file called "Three Minute Time Machine" or something like that on that premise. Set entirely on a park bench.
radiowasabi2014: make a LRR fleece like heated rivalry lol
radiowasabi2014: and i'll buy one
darkcyril: @ArtDecoSunburn I'm pretty sure I've seen that come to think of it.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Decaped (Big Chocolate hunts you through time)
Ashmantle:
dumbo3k: Thanks for having us
Thefluffiestguineapig: Thanks for the good stream!
radiowasabi2014: thx for the streeeeeam
RockPusher contemplates soup for lunch
aerolend: @ArtDecoSunburn One-minute.
DoodlestheGreat: Gonna be a Cam-heavy week.
ArtDecoSunburn: @aerolend Thanks.
SquareDotCube: Salsa time!
ArtDecoSunburn: @DoodlestheGreat Cambruary.
putz12a: It's a variant of "Age of Sigmar"
aerolend: 10k years earlier
Getter404: No, this is the alternate universe the past went to after the past exploded
ProcyonFlynn: So still the future, but less future?
aerolend:
@Getter404
aerolend: @RockPusher Soup contemplates you back.
Marvoleath: This has magic but magic can kill you if you use it
aerolend:
Getter404: @aerolend Yeah, it's a whole norse edda cyclical THING, nine intertwined realms etc etc
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RockPusher: aerolend some of the ingredients obviously fresher than anticipated
aerolend:
@Marvoleath What's the catch? 
DoodlestheGreat: 10 q 4 strem
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