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wow, denied the double nelly 
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Mr_Horrible: time for crab
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Krektogar: ye olde chille-point
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RockPusher: !quote beej
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TXC2: title change!
Manae: Whew. Thought I was late and missing the chilled points
Manae:
Now I'm just late! 
Manae:
Juliamon:
ArtDecoSunburn watched 5 consecutive streams and sparked a watch streak!
TXC2: CONTACT
TheAinMAP: Signal
RockPusher: !quote paul
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TheMerricat watched 45 consecutive streams and sparked a watch streak!
Thefluffiestguineapig: That Beej quote sure is a Beej quote huh
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mtvcdm: I'm sure we have worse.
mtvcdm: !quote
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Thefluffiestguineapig: @mtvcdm Oh I'm positive we must, it's more you look at it and go "yup, that tracks"
Sethalidos: !quote Ian
LRRbot: Quote #3478: "I don't speak... European." —Ian [2016-10-05]
Thefluffiestguineapig: Do I remember the highlights where he said that?
Juliamon: Windows
mtvcdm: boop
Thefluffiestguineapig: That wasn't the nightmare of Mozart's Requiem was it
TXC2: windows noises!
Earthenone: !quote beej
LRRbot: Quote #1824: "You can taste my green asshole." —Beej [2016-02-15]
RockPusher: Go away Windows, nobody likes you!
Thefluffiestguineapig: Ah thank you for your opinions Windows, no one gives a shit
Juliamon: Thefluffiestguineapig based on the date, no
TXC2:
RockPusher:
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Juliamon Also many of the quotes from Mozart's Requiem just ended up being screaming frustration
PhorrestGaze:
RockPusher: !quote heather
LRRbot: Quote #6863: "Ghosts have all the fun." —Heather [2020-03-29]
TheAinMAP:
TXC2: TODAY!
Thefluffiestguineapig: The story about dynamic pricing was a whole thing
RockPusher:
Huzzah! 
TXC2: well that's good
HorusFive:
virus free
TheAinMAP: That's good news right?
lightfut: So we got that going for us, which is nice
RockPusher: Thanks Defender, I guess…
Thefluffiestguineapig: Was that MacCafee updating?
HorusFive: You can't TELL the viruses when you're scanning for them, Paul. That would let them run and hide
TXC2: Thefluffiestguineapig would have been windows defender
HorusFive: Wax on. Wax off.
RockPusher: Well played Heather
TXC2: smort
Thefluffiestguineapig: Well played Heather
mtvcdm: Oh I find plenty of projects... from the fact that half my coworkers don't actually do anything and leave everything for me to do
mtvcdm: 'Find something to clean'
Thefluffiestguineapig: Heather is amazing
FauksStarling: In those slow times, we used to have to re-hang all the tshirts by brand name in alphabetical order. It was awful.
TXC2: praxis right there Heather
RockPusher: So that makes Beej Maid Marian?
HorusFive: Of course it's in the drawer. Where else can you put it for everyone to find it?
Thefluffiestguineapig: @RockPusher Are we surprised?
TXC2: no such thing Paul
HorusFive: @RockPusher Right, Beej is a fox in a pink shiff-dress. That scans
RockPusher: it's anti-fraud
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig (Brian Adams Robin Hood theme begins to play)
TXC2: Capitalism is already the crime
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn Best Robin Hood theme
Thefluffiestguineapig: @TXC2 ^Big agree
TXC2: frankly it's self defence
HorusFive: "We're pretty sure this is a crime. We just need to figure our why, and how"
Thefluffiestguineapig:
Amazing
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig I remember having "Prince of Thieves" action figures as a kid. That was a dark interpretation to market to children. They pushed the Bishop of Hereford out of a window.
mtvcdm: The first guy who got caught for hacking I think did it in school, the principal and his dad dismissed him and then just... stared at each other, lit up some smokes and realized what was about to happen to the world.
Thefluffiestguineapig: They got Al Capone for that and then invented Racketeering for future Al Capones
HorusFive: Almost everything is wire fraud now
RockPusher: I mean there is a high-profile UK case around improper disclosure of sensitive information…
kingandcommoner: do not mess with the postal service
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Amazing how something can fit both crime and cancer metaphors, no?
TXC2: USPS has a 99% conviction rate
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn Ah, defenestration, in the modern day it will become a probably useful skill!
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn indeed
ArtDecoSunburn: @kingandcommoner Postal inspectors have wide discretionary powers.
RockPusher: On one hand, get their asses! On the other, it would be nice if the consumers who paid that money actually got it back.
HorusFive: Please sue my government. It seems to be the only thing they actually understand now
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 And I say that as someone who taught "History of Capitalism" classes at multiple universities.
TXC2: two wrongs do not in fact make a right
Thefluffiestguineapig: @HorusFive The important fact is they have to WIN against the US government
mtvcdm: I sometimes take a nap in front of a game. I don't have to root for anyone or even care who anyone is. The game's on, time for a nap.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Only the pitchfork manufacturers consider their markets on the upswing
OldUncleDan:
But hey! We're supposed to be getting a huge tariff refund check by the Government any day now!!!!!!! 
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn Also lighter and match manufacturers
Thefluffiestguineapig: @OldUncleDan -.-
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Or at least secure some leverage that holds sway with the WTO and European regulators, who can respond with teeth.
ArtDecoSunburn: Costco in the US is seriously taking on the administration over tariffs.
OldUncleDan: Also, there are issues with whatever government agency not being able to give back the Court Ordered money to the various companies because "it would melt down the entire system."
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Ha! Kindling is the only industry on the uptick thanks to impromptu stakes.
OldUncleDan: So we could be looking at a multi-billion dollar a day interest penalty payed by us taxpayers.
ArtDecoSunburn: @OldUncleDan Well, the "system" was hollowed out from the inside out this time last year because of DOGE. It worked until they broke it and fixed anyone who can fix it.
TXC2: prices go up fast, down slow
e_bloc: funny is one word for it
Thefluffiestguineapig: @TXC2 Especially because the CEOs want to save their bonuses with the higher prices
e_bloc: once they establish demand won't change at a higher price, why lower it
TXC2: Thefluffiestguineapig indeed
HorusFive: @ArtDecoSunburn As if maybe that was the plan all along
Thefluffiestguineapig: Also the AI boom is causing materials to be more expensive
TXC2: it's ONE GUY hoarding the boards
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Amazing how the slightest market fear drives up oil prices, but they decline over months.
Thefluffiestguineapig: The tariffs currently have no sign of going away even with the legal orders to do so
HorusFive: @TXC2 We should tell that guy to stop. Problem solved
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn right?
e_bloc: almost every invoice I see at work has a line item for the tarriff, anyone who thinks its not impacting consumers is delusional
gualdhar: for the exchange rates, I know my employer only adjusts internal currency exchange rates once a quarter, but it only affects shipments between our US and Canadian factories
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 "Dangit, Chuck. Don't you have enough?"
RockPusher: Imagine if the "Free Market" was actually free and consumers had total transparency about every cost and markup of goods. Then maybe the market would actually work as theorised.
e_bloc: also there may be no tuesday
Thefluffiestguineapig: And?
Akaiatana: They did that in Serious Sam
kingandcommoner: Go full Zom100 with it
Mr_Horrible: "This post made by Grace Ashcroft"
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 (Looks out at Washington skyline from window, just sighs)
Krektogar: there'll prob be a mod for that in a month
e_bloc: has he tried the Leon Big Naturals mod
RockPusher: "Your horror game has a good narrative, can you make the narrative without the horror plz"
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn "what a stupid timeline we're in"
Akaiatana: Serious Sam did it with flowers and fruits
e_bloc: I remember that
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher Imagine if we had robust government protections to ensure this fairness and openness of markets.
Krektogar: the german versions of some of the red alert games replaced soldiers with robots that bled oil instead of blood, does that count?
RockPusher:
Satisfactory has very scary kittys for me 
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn [looks at 1890's monopoly laws] yes. imagine
Invitare: I believe China changes it to white
e_bloc: is arachnophobia a top phobia? can I get a tryptophobia mod
ArtDecoSunburn: @gualdhar At this point, we should just hedge obscure foreign currencies. Kroner, anyone?
e_bloc: white is not better
kingandcommoner: young, dumb, and...
Thefluffiestguineapig: @e_bloc It's one of the top phobias that is also a very common horror monster
ArtDecoSunburn: @e_bloc I'm only afraid of spiders that come in groupings of 13.
RockPusher:
Nothing more scary in Satisfactory than a bunch of little meows
TXC2: you gotta do like the tampon ads and make it blue
e_bloc: @Thefluffiestguineapig fair point
e_bloc: @ArtDecoSunburn if I have to count the spiders I'm afraid of them
Thefluffiestguineapig: @TXC2 You know they don't test tampons with fake blood or even with a blood like substitute
kingandcommoner: How do you animate a zombie attack in a non-scary way?
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig I'd be up for even 1940s antitrust laws. Our DOJ took on Paramount once before for the betterment of the public.
Thefluffiestguineapig: JUST MONIKA is just as scary in a different way
RockPusher: Get Shreked!
LordZarano: Seems like something Devolver would do for one of their E3 things
TXC2: Thefluffiestguineapig really? surely can't be that hard to get some pig's blood to test?
ArtDecoSunburn: @kingandcommoner Wacky musical accompaniment?
Krektogar: @kingandcommoner you make it into a teddy that wants to hug you!
e_bloc: isnt porsche a sponsor
mtvcdm: Give Leon a Shriners car
e_bloc: thats why they dont damage the car at all
RockPusher:
Probably handles better than a Porsche
dutchmoose: That's Sponebob's car fyi
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn Standard Oil, Paramount the list goes on. One of the reasons I actually liked Senator Elizabeth Warren as a VP candidate for Joe Biden is she is literally a law professor of anti-trust law
OldUncleDan: @TXC2 Carrie has i tall.
LordZarano: Oh yeah it's product placement for a car brand and is *extremely* presented like a car advert
OldUncleDan: it all.
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Clearly Crystal Pepsi broke the multiverse, and now we ended up thirty years later with fascists.
Thefluffiestguineapig: YES
mtvcdm: The ET bike
e_bloc: well done
accountmadeforants:
That's amazing. I hope they bring the plastic lawn chair from that DMC V mod, too. 
OldUncleDan: @ArtDecoSunburn Personally, I blame New Coke.
Thefluffiestguineapig: I want Ben to mod just the motorcycle
RockPusher: Heather would enjoy Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth then
e_bloc: Resident Evil 10, brought to you by Vespa
mtvcdm: GTA 6 is never coming out, it's like Beyond Good and Evil 2
Thefluffiestguineapig: Mono-segways for GTA
Thefluffiestguineapig: Good for New York State TBH
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Hear, hear. I met her at Harvard when she was a law professor. I don't think rigorous antitrust is the solution to all of our problems, but it's a start.
OldUncleDan: City or State?
Juliamon: State
OldUncleDan: neato!
Mr_Horrible: @Thefluffiestguineapig not really, the case is kinda dogshit
Marvoleath: "our lootboxes are not anymore lootboxes than the other lootboxes!"
accountmadeforants: Yes, they're gambling, so are trading cards, regulate that shit.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn I want ANYTHING and I think that's a very good start honestly
asddsa28: but i also think that is gambling
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Mr_Horrible So you think they will lose? I was more thinking for taking them on in the first place
Thefluffiestguineapig: But also those are still gambling
RockPusher: Why Valve though, there are other targets who are far more abusive who would make better test cases
Mr_Horrible: and the prosecution is also *vastly* overreaching and demanding additional age verifications
TXC2: "people have been smoking cigarettes for years, and they've been fine!"
e_bloc: shouldn't the question not be "is this gambling" but "how pernicious is this gambling"
Mr_Horrible: @Thefluffiestguineapig no I mean the ends they want to achieve are bad
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Mr_Horrible How so?
kingandcommoner: Would lootbozes be better without the currency obfuscation?
ArtDecoSunburn: @OldUncleDan Ha! At least the suits in Atlanta repurposed its formula into the top selling diet Coke.
Thefluffiestguineapig: What's the end goal? Just to be about children?
Marvoleath: The theory is that each rare card is equally as rare as each other, and therefore the same value to open
accountmadeforants: @kingandcommoner Valve doesn't obfuscate currencies, though
RockPusher: (I do agree that Valve has an on-platform secondary market problem that others don't have the same degree of)
ArtDecoSunburn: @kingandcommoner Transformation of cash to gems is key to the obsfucation.
kingandcommoner: @accountmadeforants I'm talking about buying in game currencies in order to buy lootboxes
Mr_Horrible: @Thefluffiestguineapig like I said, part of the demand is additional age and identity verification beyond what already exists on steam, and for users beyond their jurisdiction
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Mr_Horrible Ah, never mind. Fuck that
TXC2: ID verification is ALWAYS a big data scam
ArtDecoSunburn: @e_bloc Looking at all the e-gambling ads on television now, I'm not sure our society is considering that at all.
accountmadeforants: @kingandcommoner I think it's just one more insidious trick and its own problem, but the core part is the lootboxes themselves which are no better or worse for it. (That is to say, they're bad.)
e_bloc: @ArtDecoSunburn oh yeah the gambling lobby has its heels dug in
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asddsa28: i dont think they are tho there just cardbaord
asddsa28: dos it
LordZarano: Lego's blind boxes have a barcode on them that says exactly what's in them, so you can choose if you want the surprise or just the thing
Mr_Horrible: @Thefluffiestguineapig like I definitely agree that the dubiousness of lootboxes is still real, and valve *does* still have problems with it, even with some of the recent steps they've taken like disincentivizing CSGO skin trading scams and stuff, but I don't think the NY suit is actually good for addressing that in its current form
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 (Four out of five 1950s doctors agree, three while coughing)
TXC2:
ArtDecoSunburn
LordZarano: Which I think is quite a smart way of doing it
RockPusher: Hmmmmm
asddsa28: yeah im with heather on this
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Mr_Horrible I agree, I think that there needs to be a suit like the one in the EU that reclassified lootboxes as gambling
RockPusher: Heather has an interesting definition
Marvoleath: It could even be a boat!
ArtDecoSunburn: @e_bloc Pernicious axis of gaming and crypto as recipients of venture capital funding.
TXC2: !box
LRRbot: Step one: cut a hole in the box.
OldUncleDan: Does that make buying a used car a kind of gambling?
Mr_Horrible: "if I don't ID this belt I can sell it for 1 div, but if I ID it it might be 5c or 50 div"
TXC2:
OldUncleDan yes 
mtvcdm: I did one of those at C2E2 once
kingandcommoner: But if we don't get kids to buy lootboxes, how will we keep the lottery running in 10 years?
ArtDecoSunburn: My three-card monte stand is not technically gambling, because I ensure the audience never wins.
TXC2: buying used anything is legally taking on a risk
Juliamon: Speaking of... my sister informed me that Whole Foods does that with near-expiring goods now. They could donate to a food bank, but instead they put it in a bag and make people buy it.
e_bloc: but they certainly care about it because the reserved list is still around
mtvcdm: I bought a thing where the theoretical 'value' is a given amount but you're basically gambling on whether the objects comprising that value mean anything to you specifically
Thefluffiestguineapig: @kingandcommoner The lottery was invented to fund the broke English government that had mismanaged money in order to fund itself back in the 13th century
kingandcommoner: Casinos would like it that way too
ArtDecoSunburn: @kingandcommoner I grew up in one of four US states without a lottery, and people their just crossed state lines to buy tickets from other states.
Invitare: Warframe has lootboxes that cannot, by any means, be effected by real money
kingandcommoner: @ArtDecoSunburn Gambling addiction is strong
Mr_Horrible: @Juliamon AUGH
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig So you're saying we need to bring back tontines, lotteries where the last survivor gets it all?
RubikDarkwill: Astrobot too
mtvcdm: Smash Bros. had that with trophies
accountmadeforants: While the ability to take money out of the system makes it more cut-and-dry gambling, I don't think a lack of a secondary market makes lootboxes you pay for any less gambling. If getting "lucky" is the difference between you spending 10 dollars or 15 dollars, that's gambling, too
TXC2: PEGI...16
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn I'm saying the people who fund the lottery should have to have combat trials in order to continue having it.
asddsa28: thats good news
e_bloc: that seems reasonable
accountmadeforants: (And that's on the low end, the shit I've heard about Teamfight Tactics skins...)
Marvoleath: 2K NBA in shambles, they tried so hard to be pegi 3+
TXC2: PEGI also has ZERO legal binding to it
Marvoleath: @TXC2 Yea, it's mostly marketing thing for companies to target nowadays
Thefluffiestguineapig: I believe PEGI was specifically designed to have very little nuance
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 It's an interesting framing. At least right of second purchase, like a book, or car, or couch, usually gives you full ownership.
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Didn't it come out of the Tipper Gore days and the assault on violence in games?
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Marvoleath Unless it's Nintendo, I believe you need to hit certain requirements but I'm not sure if it's PEGI or another rating scale to have a certain level of listing/advertising. It's why I suspect Dionysus has no references to wine or alcohol at all in Hades 2
e_bloc: I have to walk bluey every fucking day to get my badge
kingandcommoner: Would wordle be PEGI 12?
Mr_Horrible: that distinction is also very blurry, so trying to legislate it is hmm
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn PEGI is European as far as I know, so there's probably less influence from American poiltics
mtvcdm: If you get ants showing up after being away a while
accountmadeforants: Is the existence of dailies not already punishing you for not playing?
CaptainSpam: @TXC2 In fairness, doesn't the ESRB also have zero legal binding?
Thefluffiestguineapig: That's weird
RockPusher: For things that are difficult to categorise I do think a legislative approach focused on harms/outcomes is more robust since generally those are easier to delineate
TXC2: CaptainSpam yeap
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig I'm afraid the Nevada Gaming Commission is stacked with enough former mob lawyers to possibly profit off that model.
TXC2: they're advisory
mtvcdm: Animal Crossing does have you go squash some bugs if you've been gone long enough
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Interesting.
CaptainSpam: (like, very literally, the ESRB was created ENTIRELY to persuade the US government to NOT put legal binding on it)
e_bloc: wordling
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Maybe Dionysus was just doing a dry February?
Marvoleath: I had seen ppl setting alarm clocks for like 4 am to hit the daily quests right away in a pvp game, to not lose any footing
kingandcommoner: ESRB protects distributors; it gives them a defense against lawsuits when parents buy games they shouldn't for their kids
TXC2: ^
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn I mean.....that tracks on the one hand but on the other that's a long con to keep up
Akaiatana: If you need to continue your streak to progress, that's bad
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn Nope, it's not in any of his boons, or his dialogue or anything
e_bloc: but what if they gave you "channel points" for having a streak, even if you were getting those points anyway
ArtDecoSunburn: @CaptainSpam Like the Hays Code and the move system from 1933 until the 60s.
Marvoleath: DuoLingo now PEGI 12
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn it was to prevent the Hays Code
Kentosaurus watched 10 consecutive streams and sparked a watch streak!
I'm so happy twitch has gamified this streak with meaningless points
LordZarano: So, Duolingo, Memrise, Busuu, and any other gamified learning app
Thefluffiestguineapig: Or apps like Finch
Thefluffiestguineapig: Where it is designed to help build healthy habits
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Talk a bout masking what is essentially the guy's one schtick. I'm not sure what a mythological conversation with him would be about if not wine or merriment.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn They talk about "grape juice"
Thefluffiestguineapig: They have him running a party and his boons reference "grape juice"
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Ha!
TheMerricat: Loot boxes for self improvement.
TXC2:
ArtDecoSunburn based on his art from the game, his massive genitals probably
Mr_Horrible: like, especially in a social or competitive game, a lack of a benefit or lack of a status can be construed as a "punishment"
ArtDecoSunburn: @LordZarano Duolingo used to sponsor the public wifi at the Pittsburgh airport. I could never figure out how their business model made money.
Marvoleath: @TXC2 ancient Greeks didnt think a large endowment was positive though, they found it bestial
e_bloc: also it incentvizes companies not to include these things to get lower ratings
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Ha! I guess that would be a conversation starter. "Is that a . . . Oh, it is, and you are happy to see me."
TXC2: Marvoleath huh, interesting, given all the satyrs at his party in the game
OldUncleDan: This reminds me of an argument I long had about how Concession stands in theaters, stadiums, etc. Promote dark habits and exploit certain folks with eating disorders.
LordZarano: @ArtDecoSunburn Venture capital until the money ran out. And now they're pushing memberships super hard and cracking down on how much free players like me get
ArtDecoSunburn: @Marvoleath All about who got and who gave. Amazing how class base it was, apparently.
Invitare: more accurately, it's one of those things that aren't a law... but it *could* be. If you break it. So maybe just pretend it is
Thefluffiestguineapig: @TXC2 Which is the point, and also why Dionysus was also associated with uncontrolled rage due to his nymph type
Invitare: same with artificial food colourings
Marvoleath: @TXC2 well, satyrs were the representation of the bestial, uncivilized side of human, we got satire from that as form of parody
ArtDecoSunburn: @LordZarano That whole sentence is a perfect description of American society writ large in the 2020s. Kudos for a succinct, depressing, and encompassing summary.
TXC2: Thefluffiestguineapig Marvoleath damn, it's like Hades is a layered, well made game or something
kingandcommoner: Art should be protected; taking money from kids is not art
Thefluffiestguineapig: @TXC2 Oh, he's not angry in the game. Neither is Ares which is WEIRD
Marvoleath:
@TXC2 Yea, but I still wont forgive them using mermaids instead of Greek sirens for the band
e_bloc: oh no I'm opening collector boosters right now
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Marvoleath Hilariously, we discussed this during Heather's stream, there actually isn't a concrete description of sirens from the Greeks
ArtDecoSunburn: @e_bloc I hope at least they are shiny or make noises.
kingandcommoner: stupid horse armor and slippery slopes
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig I assume they're generally soggy, given the saltwater rocks thing. I did like the sirens from "O, Brother, Where Art Thou?"
e_bloc: yeah 16 year olds dont have money
Vinewood_OG: Fuckin' A, Cotton!
Mr_Horrible: ooh, that's good
Mr_Horrible: "Fix your community tools, chump"
Thefluffiestguineapig: Interesting, that's shockingly forward thinking
e_bloc: the roblox law
Marvoleath: @Thefluffiestguineapig Fair enough, although most popular one was the bird adjacent, we got a bunch of sculptures representing them like that in antics
OldUncleDan: Hell, I knew adults, even teachers, who incourraged that sort of behavoir. "It builds character" or some such.
TXC2: ESRB is like rating the safety of the slides or swings at the park, and not person could come and kidnap your child
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Marvoleath That one is from Turkey and isn't verified to have been used far enough back. The ugly bird adjacent ones are often the servants of Nemesis
Thefluffiestguineapig: Honestly that company name is probably that way by design
Izandai: The creature designs on the splash art were so extremely "That's offbrand Charizard, that's offbrand Lucario, that's offbrand Meganium..." Like, even more so than Palworld.
OldUncleDan: Remember Nimblebit and their line of "Pocket" games? I still play Pocket Planes from time to time.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Chances are low
Mr_Horrible: "Bit Idea: devour our own tail, forever"
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig So not the types Dis would be tossing golden apples towards?
Krektogar: I wanna see Palworld sue Pickmon for copyright infringement now...
cmdrud87: Not just pokemon-esque, literally just slightly flipped mons.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @cmdrud87 The ones that were ripped fan art?
BlueMechanic: Yeah, Digimon was trying to gear Tamagochis to boys
Earthenone:
ash greninja is literally just digimon fronteirs
cmdrud87: @Thefluffiestguineapig Not even those, that's just the worst part
Invitare: at what point will they just start using AI to generate monster designs
RubikDarkwill: And it's not just Pokemon. There's basically Roadhog from Overwatch, things from FFXIV, fan art too
Marvoleath: @Thefluffiestguineapig wasnt it rooted in babylonian depictions? or egyptian? I think it was a trend in the BCE times
BlueMechanic: Cassette Beasts is fun
Marvoleath: but yea, there is an overlap for harpies with that
TXC2:
Link on Charizard is just a Smash game no?
Marvoleath: and Homer provided no physical description, beyond their femininity and voice
Thefluffiestguineapig: That's what ROM hacks are for
BlueMechanic: they did have a fire Pomeranian with a similar name
TheMerricat: My first fanfic I read in college was just a bubble gum crisis episode, entirely beat for beat, but with the author replacing the main character 😄
Earthenone: have you seen what elden ring players think dogs look like? everything is dog
Invitare: still, somehow, no peacock pokemon though
cmdrud87: Pikachu is filing lawsuits against plusle and minun as we speak.
Thefluffiestguineapig: This is why so many of us want regional forms
Marvoleath:
when are panthers suing cats for copying their design?
Izandai: There's some grace to be given. But only so much.
Firewhiskers: I heard someone mentione that some of the Pokemon in Winds and Waves look like they're about to receive a Cease and Desist from the Pokemon company.
mtvcdm: I saw one of those during Heather's Fantasy Life stream last night, dead ringer for Sudowoodo
TheMerricat:
@Marvoleath When they stop eating the faces of their lawyers.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Yeah, where's the jumping off point
BusTed:
@Invitare I'm going to count quaquaval 
Thefluffiestguineapig: I believe it
Izandai: Right, Cobalion, that was the other really egregious one I saw in that splash art.
Krektogar: @Firewhiskers the Pokemon company hurt itself in it's confusion!
cmdrud87: the meganium was the one that made me angry, tough
Thefluffiestguineapig: @mtvcdm Yup
LordZarano: Ooblets, temtem, Coromon, Creatures of Ava... Creature Collectors are a whole genre now
CaptainSpam: What does Dripmoose evolve into?
RockPusher: Pokemon OC, plz love
Firewhiskers: So Pokemon just need to integrate monsters from other IPs like Digimon and MonHun like Hasbro is doing with Magic.
Thefluffiestguineapig: They should just hire people who make designs they like
TXC2: CaptainSpam coldbrewmoose
Earthenone: idk, James Turner might have access to your notebooks
Kentosaurus: @CaptainSpam Mapebullwinkle
TXC2: SEGA!
BusTed:
Marvoleath: ah, gourmet games
Thefluffiestguineapig:
Heather 
Juliamon: Everyone loves Rejected Wii Play!
Firewhiskers:
I fear for the Like A Dragon series after Kiwami 3 cut the trans questline 
BusTed:
Foxmar320: Pricing was also bad for some. Crossworlds was expensive.
RockPusher: Kitty!
Thefluffiestguineapig: Yeah, you didn't advertise things and also you did TERRIBLE THINGS TO THE YAKUZA GAMES
RockPusher:
Look at the meow meow! 
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Firewhiskers ^^^^^THIS specifically on top of others
Vinewood_OG: Well....
OldUncleDan: That is honestly cat like behavior.
LordZarano: Insert Tim Minchin's "Youtuber's Lament" here
snowewolf_shortfenisshort: cant wait for pauls 9 ps9s crapshot
Vinewood_OG: That Cat better be Union.
Firewhiskers: Bless Beej for supporting working artists
CaptainSpam: Unfortunately, this is the internet.
mtvcdm: !addquote (Beej) [now] Unless the cat is acting its ass off, I don't want to hear about the cat.
LRRbot: New quote #9538: "Unless the cat is acting its ass off, I don't want to hear about the cat." —Beej [2026-03-13]
TheMerricat: Hey Beej, I am watching Chillpoint and just want to say you are killing it ....
Marvoleath: but cat was allowed to stay in the video by editor, good job editor!
Thefluffiestguineapig: The new Panalysts episodes have been really hilarious, especially the more elaborate prompts
Foxmar320: Im really bad about remembering to leave comments
mtvcdm: Yeah I'm always real bad with comments
Thefluffiestguineapig: Honestly the editing recently has been really good by Jordynne, the "Who's that Pokemon" was amazing
RockPusher: YT being a public forum I think would rein people in from actually constructive feedback
Juliamon: That's why I don't usually comment, I just... don't have anything useful to say.
TXC2: ^
Krektogar: @Thefluffiestguineapig agreed, that was hilarious
Earthenone: maybe sonic will go tothe olympics again
CaptainSpam: "Well, we'd better just go back to our company's roots and make slot machines."
Foxmar320: Please don't go back to making bad games SEGA. Sonic fans can't handle it anymore
Firewhiskers: I try to promote other audio dramas to folks who may not know about them.
RockPusher: Realtime chat, with its more palpable connection to the performers and performance makes it easier in the moment
TheMerricat:
@Juliamon That's not proper chat behavior.
Mr_Horrible: it's more just the eternal truism of "a good game does not necessarily imply a successful game, and vice versa"
snowewolf_shortfenisshort: what games have saga made in the last 3 years?
TXC2: back when the rocks were soft
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Firewhiskers I used to do that, but people so often glaze over.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Juliamon Sometimes the best things said matter because they are "authentic," not necessarily "useful."
Juliamon: TheMerricat But it's also not chat!
Firewhiskers: @Thefluffiestguineapig Too true
Juliamon: Comments are not chat!
Vinewood_OG: And we tied onions to our belt, as was the style at the time.
TheMerricat:
Juliamon: STOP TREATING COMMENTS AS CHAT
Foxmar320: Ive gotten used to people saying my stuff sucks. As I hold my Tails doll and cry.
mtvcdm: @Juliamon first
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Juliamon: mtvcdm algorithmic punch!
e_bloc: yakuza is my favorite mahjong simulator with a mafia sidequest
Earthenone: wow my brain read what it wanted for a minute there "Ive gotten used to people saying my stuff sucks. As I hold my Tails doll and cry." to as i hold my trails in the sky
Thefluffiestguineapig: Oh bigtime
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher Imagine if ancient theater had developed concurrently with some mechanism of real-time, comment-based chat with the performers (aside from clapping, cheering, or heckling).
mtvcdm: !crossover
LRRbot: I'm sure everything here would translate perfectly to a mobile gacha game.
mtvcdm: LRRBOT NO
Vinewood_OG: Knives Out Mario crossover
Juliamon: mtvcdm hoisted by his own petard
Foxmar320: SEGA is at it's best when it gets weird. Looks at the Dreamcast library.
Firewhiskers: Dreamcast to PS2 was a difficult time for Sega because the PS2's architecture didn't make porting from Dreamcast easily. (Specifically the hardware rendering pipeline)
Wolfstrike_NL: fine, the murder of fludd
e_bloc: I would play a hard boiled mario adventure in a split second
ArtDecoSunburn: @Vinewood_OG Benoit Toad?
LordZarano: One of my favourite Nintendo games games of all time, was developed entirely by Sega (F-Zero GX my beloved)
Firewhiskers:
@ArtDecoSunburn I appreciate your joke 
e_bloc: birdo kills dr. mario because of a crippling opioid addiction
RockPusher:
ArtDecoSunburn give Statler and Waldorf a time machine
Thefluffiestguineapig: I would have to have a guarantee it was a REALLY HARD BOILED Mario game
Vinewood_OG: @ArtDecoSunburn Shut up and take my money!
Firewhiskers: SMT V did pretty well too.
Foxmar320: SEGA made good games in the 90s, then made a lot of crap in the 2000s and has slowly started making good games again
mckblitz: Pirate Yakuza is the first one we finished
TXC2: e_bloc Birdo kills Dr Mario because he wont give Birdo their hormone blockers
Firewhiskers: @Foxmar320 Yakuza/Like a Dragon started in the 2000s tho
Foxmar320: Sonic Adventure remakes!
nimbus_machine: aw man i miss rhythm thief
Earthenone: !findquote mongolia
LRRbot: Quote #1623: "Oops, off I go to Mongolia!" —Chopin [2016-01-20]
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher I'd watch Bill and Ted and Statler and Waldorf.
kingandcommoner: More games should involve fighting napoleon
Thefluffiestguineapig: That's the most Heather proposal ever
Thefluffiestguineapig: I think he did by dying alone on an island in the middle of the Atlantic
Vinewood_OG: Luigi red shells Bowser over mushrooms. You know because of the inflation.
e_bloc: @TXC2 I wasn't sure I wanted to go into that direction, but I considered that as well...very dog day afternoon
Foxmar320: @Firewhiskers They made a few good games during that time but also a lot of bad ones. Im not saying everything was bad.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Raymond Chandler meets Bowser.
Izandai:
TXC2: e_bloc fair
Thefluffiestguineapig:
CaptainSpam:
Would be nice if someone were to actually make an SDK for the Nintendo Playstation... for the nobody who has one.
TXC2: Thefluffiestguineapig St Helens
Marvoleath: joking? in a comedy show?! preposterous!
e_bloc: @TXC2 but you know if you're going for hard-boiled (ha, birdo), the storyline would make sense
RockPusher:
Comments taking sarcasm literally‽ That never happens! 
ArtDecoSunburn: @Firewhiskers The LRR chat in general fosters nice jokes. Good people here.
Mr_Horrible: most of the ones I've worked with looked like just a box, yeah
Marvoleath: fun fact, PS5 dev kit was shaped like a V, which we thought was a nod to V being roman 5
e_bloc: I just assume everything Beej says is meant to be comical unless it occurs during an anime roundup
Marvoleath: but it was just for cooling, mostly
Firewhiskers: Wasn't Secret of Mana originally supposed to be a Nintendo Playstation game before they had to backport it to the SNES?
Thefluffiestguineapig: @TXC2 Because sending him so close he could be rowed back to mainland Europe to do another attempted take over went poorly so they said "Nope GO ALL THE WAY AWAY NOW"
Foxmar320: @LordZarano Oh wow, yeah thats odd
TXC2: Thefluffiestguineapig exactly
RockPusher:
e_bloc I fear what the non-comedic implications of Beej's pronunciation of ⭐ in titles is
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig It was a bit presumptuous to consider Elba so far away it would exile him for life.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Oh actual crafters look like horrible creatures
Marvoleath:
@Foxmar320 worst part - the controller does not really fit the gap
Foxmar320:
@Marvoleath 
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn it was also presumptuous to assume his extremely devoted followers wouldn't just come to get him
Firewhiskers: CD players weren't originally used in cars because they didn't have buffers and they'd skip every time you went over a bump.
Wolfstrike_NL: Petition to have "My scissors definitely end up in weird places" as a quote
kingandcommoner: I miss tray loading.
Marvoleath: tray loading, aka the coffee cup holder
Firewhiskers: @Marvoleath o7
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Marvoleath You had tray loaders strong enough to hold coffee cups?????
RockPusher: Horizontal trays were useful for the small/business card discs
Thefluffiestguineapig: Fascinating
kingandcommoner: Sick Pitbull sounds
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Well, Metternich and company weren't exactly understanders of populist upswell.
Firewhiskers: Consider tho - laserdisc tray loaders. So big/
gualdhar: PC's haunted
Foxmar320:
RockPusher: Back in the day‽
Foxmar320: That explains a lot
TXC2: combobulate the turbo entabulator
RockPusher: Beej, plz, you think support has gotten *better*‽
Firewhiskers: HP? Who remembers E-Machines PCs?
Thefluffiestguineapig: Ah, that makes sense
Earthenone: my HP got me into such bad habbits because of the ways it broke
Foxmar320: @Firewhiskers I had one!
e_bloc: I had an HP and it mostly worked fine
Vinewood_OG: Gateway 2000 from Comp USA
e_bloc: I think at one point my family had an HP, then a compaq, then a gateway and then a dell
ArtDecoSunburn: Remember the "Gateway Moment" of the 1990s, where day after Christmas every other house would have a cow-colored box in the trash out front?
RockPusher: Cameron… ahh… finds a way
Thefluffiestguineapig: In his eternally vanta black humor way
kingandcommoner: That is, unfortunately, how it works in a lot of fields
e_bloc: its almost as though no matter how successful you are, the c-suite can make more money by firing you
TXC2: the system doesn't care if you're good or loyal, the system only cares about making money NOW!, no matter the cost.
RockPusher:
Cameron's humour would be an alternative to vanta-black humour since I doubt he wants to gate his humour to only Anish Kapoor
e_bloc: moreso if your company is aquired by private equity
Firewhiskers: The C-Suite want everyone to love them and also want to fire everyone to boost the stock. My sibling in Christ.
ArtDecoSunburn: The "Big Law" paradigm.
e_bloc: yeah pick which kind of suck you want
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher That's a nicely layered joke.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @RockPusher Oh that's very good
Mr_Horrible: "The Old Dream will never be honored again within our lifetime"
Laserbeaks_Fury: They did the math, the only way to get to 100% profit is to not pay to make a game. It's why they want playr to embrace AI made stuff *so* badly.
ArtDecoSunburn: @e_bloc Soon we'll have an economy of companies merging just so CEOs, the only remaining employees, can fire each other.
Thefluffiestguineapig:
@Laserbeaks_Fury Well, I have bad news for them 
e_bloc: because you can always hire a finance guy who can try to justify numbers that are certifiably insane
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn the natural course of capitalism is a money singularity
e_bloc: we have xxM$ in revenue based on vibes
Mr_Horrible:
because it has the biggest returns when it works 
Mr_Horrible:
and people want the Big Returns
mtvcdm: When you go to a roulette table, you can sure bet on double zero, but you won't remain at the table for very long by doing that
ArtDecoSunburn: @e_bloc I was recruited to that path at my schmancy college. I declined, because I like to look at myself without feeling disgust in the morning.
e_bloc: they haven't reached the cliff yet
TheMerricat: We've been doing it for two decades so it's got to be at least some sort of sustainable unfortunately it's sustainable by destroying the careers of people who get into it
Marvoleath: Investors and therefore c-suite do not care about producing anything, nor long term plans, they just want their financial portfolio to look better than their 'friends'
LordZarano: "Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything" as Steph Sterling says
Thefluffiestguineapig: Monopolies yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
e_bloc: @ArtDecoSunburn right? the worst is hearing the cfo and the fp&a guy go back and forth trying to justify numbers the investors want
Driosenth: Your game needs to make more money than the church or we will lay off you and 1000 of your fellow employees and blame it on the face of the brand.
ArtDecoSunburn: @mtvcdm I heard Vegas casinos are now adding triple zero slots to roulette wheels just to reduce the odds of any number paying out.
mtvcdm: You gotta stab the guy to show dominance
e_bloc: is that how prison works
Vinewood_OG: Stab Bobby Kotick in a stairwell?
kingandcommoner: "friends"
TXC2: TheMerricat over a long enough time, nothing is stable, just becuase something lasted longer then your lifetime doesn't mean it wont end soon
Marvoleath: @Vinewood_OG we didnt see anything
ArtDecoSunburn: @e_bloc That's when you bring in McKinsey or Deloit!
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Is it a black hole or a quasar?
e_bloc: I would say assuming anyone is safe in a corporation is probably a mistake
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn black hole, EVERYTHING falls in
e_bloc: I've seen them "retire" people who were the only ones holding things together
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 Explains why everyone in its C-suite orbit is so dense.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Oh this fucking horseshit
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn a ha ha!
ArtDecoSunburn: Digital goods have no scarcity, but they have cost, in terms of storage.
RockPusher: I wonder how many markets Sony might be doing this in where that would be illegal by competent consumer protection legislation
Laserbeaks_Fury: It's not like gasoline
RockPusher: it's very dependent on implementation but if they are doing dynamic price increases I would imagine that would not go over well
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Thefluffiestguineapig: @RockPusher I want to see data on implementation
ArtDecoSunburn: @Laserbeaks_Fury Except that pile of buried ET cartridges out in the desert. Those will burn like petroleum.
ArtDecoSunburn: Variable, dynamic pricing has ruined big city apartment listings, and is coming for air travel.
jadielady:
waiting for people to start sharing who has the best price and then just gifting games to eachother back and forth or paying eachother back
Thefluffiestguineapig: It might also be based on smaller subdivisions beyond region so you don't catch it as easily, neighborhood/city etc
TheMerricat: The biggest problem I think Sony would have legally is being able to prove that they aren't being discriminatory given that it has been suggested that this is based on individuals rather than regions or anything that is 'global'
Strebenherz: worse caser scenario, keep your streak or pay more for your coffee
RockPusher:
Delivery service I use has indeed noticed a whale has stopped whaling at the moment and I have a bunch of win-back incentive emails
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig Zip codes are powerful tools of price discrimination.
OldUncleDan: But can you really put any sort of price on Serge?
Thefluffiestguineapig: Because they realized they could close all the union Starbucks without consequences
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn My point exactly
RubikDarkwill: IIRC it was found because RDR2 was priced differently for the person how looked into it and his wife
ArtDecoSunburn: @OldUncleDan Depends. Can you region unlock him?
TXC2: bless you
saiarcot895: screw you in particular
Laserbeaks_Fury: The latte was *4* bucks!
TheMerricat: This will be the nightmare that happens when everybody converts over to AR glasses and all of advertising is via the glasses.
ArtDecoSunburn: @RubikDarkwill For a minute I read that as "R2D2" and was deeply saddened.
OldUncleDan: @ArtDecoSunburn He has appeared in many regions over the decades.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @RubikDarkwill If there's a "pink tax' on R2D2 like there is on mechanics I will be so mad
Vinewood_OG: Shout your order from the parking lot.
kingandcommoner: And then they hire the guy who always drives the price up to sit in the corner
brainbosh: I mean how often do you wait to get gas in hopes the cost will be lower tomorrow?
Thefluffiestguineapig: I did too ArtDecoSunburn
ArtDecoSunburn: @Thefluffiestguineapig He is everyone's favorite droid.
Thefluffiestguineapig: @ArtDecoSunburn Eh, the sassy one from the recent game Alex played is very good
Laserbeaks_Fury: Remember when you used to pull up to the drive-thru window and got your food from the drive-thru window?
ArtDecoSunburn: As someone with sometimes unusual order, I find in the name of streamlining I am often seen as an outlier.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Same Beej
RockPusher: Ironically being hungry is the worst time to buy food
ArtDecoSunburn: That seems very millennial, Heather.
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RockPusher: Fortnight Inflation…
Juliamon: This story has developed in the last 24h
Thefluffiestguineapig: Other places learn "DON'T QUESTION HER OR YOU LOSE THE SALE"
RockPusher: *Fortnite
Marvoleath: shrinkflation
Juliamon: There's a boycott now
kingandcommoner: The hot dog buns scam
Thefluffiestguineapig: That's the point
Laserbeaks_Fury: oh yeah I don't even think about games that try to pull that
Marvoleath: The "exact" amount price being twice as high was interesting to see
mtvcdm: They already *are* rioting
Thefluffiestguineapig: I mean, I already didn't play this game but holy moly this is diabolical even more boycott material
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher Only get 13 days in your two week period now.
Thefluffiestguineapig: oh i feel so sorry for you
darkpks2: give him a glass of orange juice
Vinewood_OG: Marine diesel is pretty pricey.
SquareDotCube: man it's as if money itself is the problem
mtvcdm: They could have just blamed tariffs or something
TXC2: "it costs a lot to run this, and we're making it YOUR problem....."
Mr_Horrible: "Sure, whatever" -> "I need Tim Sweeney put into the sea"
Snowcookies: feels like guilt tripping
Mr_Horrible: (I will always need that, tbh)
Marvoleath:
most of their playerbase do not know what bills are, maybe that's why they did that
RatherLargeToad: It’s actually just a bunch of guys named Bill that they owe money to
Kazman20a: if they had said "becayse of AI" shrug
ArtDecoSunburn: @SquareDotCube We could be like those ancient islanders who traded giant statues. Can I offer you some wampum for a giant stone head?
TXC2: SquareDotCube money is medium of exchange, it's fine, Capitalism is and always has been the problem
Thefluffiestguineapig: That is the shit topping on this already shit sundae
Thefluffiestguineapig: If Team Cherry said that, absolutely
mtvcdm: I have seen a couple indie games over time announce they were raising their base price, but it's been because they were coming out of Early Access, or it was a chapter thing and they were several chapters in, or they'd otherwise added a ton of content since release and they felt the cost was worth it.
kingandcommoner: "only"
Mr_Horrible: extremely "how do you do, fellow kids"
RockPusher: That's the key right there I think - the public impression is they have a massive profit which is why the bad reaction
TXC2:
if you can't make profit from 6 billion dollars, you shouldn't be in any business
Thefluffiestguineapig: @mtvcdm Right, and that's FINE because they are a small studio and if they've doubled the size of the game with free releases add to the price to pay your own costs so you can make more good content
Wolfstrike_NL: "We had to pay bills, but now we are adding pokemon and mario to your fortnite skins!"
Mr_Horrible: "We're listening and we're learning"
Vinewood_OG: ChatCEO ass answer
mtvcdm: "We are committed"
johnnylongtorso: @TXC2 that's when you go into tech
Thefluffiestguineapig: NO SHIT "lots of feedback"
TXC2:
johnnylongtorso yeah
Marvoleath:
That sounds like an LLM wrote that
saiarcot895: that has "your call is important to us" energy
Mr_Horrible: "We're [...] and we're learning"
mtvcdm: Several people are typing
Mr_Horrible: okay, okay: "We're [...]"
TXC2: Legal told us we had to respond....
RatherLargeToad: “We don’t care. We’re the phone company”
Marvoleath: @Vinewood_OG oh, I like this, imma yoink this
Thefluffiestguineapig: YES
Mr_Horrible: It's newsworthy, but we can't see it under all the tomatoes
Thefluffiestguineapig: I think they downvoted it because of the person who posted it
Juliamon: Thefluffiestguineapig Out of curiosity, do you read Cat and Girl? It really feels like your vibe.
Sky_Kast: hi chill rr
ArtDecoSunburn: @RatherLargeToad Did you ever see the comedic late 60s movie, "The President's Analyst" ? The phone company is the villain.
TXC2: hello Sky_Kast welcome
RatherLargeToad: @artdecosunburn no, but that sounds fun. I was referencing an old SNL bit
Mr_Horrible: oh right, they were trying to do a publishing thing
Thefluffiestguineapig: @Juliamon If it's an online comic I am super cautious about those, so have only engaged with Alex's in recent time but am happy to look at it if you recommend it
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 If you're a real capitalist, you leverage losing six billion of someone else'sdollars into a lifetime of unassailable privilege. Like the WeWork guy.
RatherLargeToad: where Middle Sloth?
kingandcommoner: good name very Severance
TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn touché
ArtDecoSunburn: @RatherLargeToad I know. I think the SNL writers saw that old movie.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Oh it's like Rusty Quill for audio drama podcasts
Marvoleath: Investing, but in the good sense
ArtDecoSunburn: @TXC2 One day we'll march on the Bastille together, my chat comrade.
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TXC2: ArtDecoSunburn indeed
Mr_Horrible: excellent
Thefluffiestguineapig: Ok ok
ArtDecoSunburn: @Marvoleath It has six-fingered hands, and all the fingers are em-dashes?
LilyOfTheVeil666: Victoria Tran is very funny
mtvcdm: Which is reasonable
mtvcdm: The topline is Outersloth gets 50% until the point of break-even, and then their cut drops to 15% after break-even.
ContingentCat: oo got here just in time to hear how easy insider trading is
DigitalSeahorse: good
Thefluffiestguineapig: As they should
RatherLargeToad: A game about fish?
ArtDecoSunburn: @RatherLargeToad Fish with soul.
Mr_Horrible: something that makes you say "oh neat"
mtvcdm: Vibes
RatherLargeToad: @artdecosunburn Sole with soul
Mr_Horrible:
ArtDecoSunburn: @mtvcdm Vibe-funding vibe-coding.
DigitalSeahorse: soul, made by someone that has a soul
ArtDecoSunburn: @RatherLargeToad (Slow clap of appreciation can be heard all the way to Dover)
ArtDecoSunburn: @DigitalSeahorse Hey now, that's lawyer-exclusionary!
DigitalSeahorse:
Marvoleath: We could use more support for ppl who can produce good things but can't 'sell it' (and less for the other way around con-men)
Mr_Horrible:
Marathong 
ArtDecoSunburn: Cameron's game of Marathon worked it's way into "Talking Simulator" yesterday.
Mr_Horrible: "Oh no the player count is fluctuating!" *eye roll*
ArtDecoSunburn: Its.
RatherLargeToad: Game made by Sony comes out on multiple platforms. Critics only look at Steam numbers
SocraticMethod: StS2 had 570k concurrent players. Not bad for indie early access
TXC2: correlation is not causation
Mr_Horrible: oh right, this. *This* I do actually understand this from Bungie's perspective (given my understanding that the actual reason for the delay is they want the community to unlock more of the stuff first, because that's part of the game)
Thefluffiestguineapig: Heather immediately hitting the nail on the head
SocraticMethod: AFAIK no, Bungie asked to delay reviews because the 4th main are is still not online while players gear up
Vinewood_OG:
TXC2: Mr_Horrible yeah, this is like asking critics to watch the whole season of a show, and not just the first 3 episodes
TheMerricat: In other words they're implying that this is going to be a game changer type deal..... Like it'll change the narrative on the rest of the game.
Mr_Horrible: it'd be like reviewing a new WoW expansion day 1 and saying "but there's no endgame" when the raid isn't open yet
Laserbeaks_Fury: or that anysone 60
SocraticMethod: It's like raids in Destiny, the pinnacle activities are not available until 1-2 weeks after release
RatherLargeToad: it will become a kart racer
Mr_Horrible: yeah, I think that's a good call, Beej
Marvoleath: We should delay the game until it's ready, but we already had marketing print a date everywhere
Mr_Horrible: you get to report about it twice!
Mr_Horrible: @Marvoleath afaik it's not even "it's not ready" it's that it's locked behind community activity milestones
Mr_Horrible: although it may be both, idk
Laserbeaks_Fury: It's not just "the game isn't ready" it's a kind of game that just inherently takes time to ramp up
Marvoleath: @Mr_Horrible ah, that's different than, that would make sense
Mr_Horrible: like, it's Marathon, there's *gonna* be some amount of meta shit
TXC2:
"it gets good in season 3" is true of most of the best TV shows though
TheMerricat: @Marvoleath While it's possible That's where it came from, I think given it's Bungie and given its Marathon, they've got a 'twist' they haven't revealed yet that they don't want to spoil having everyone rush in game on day one.
Marvoleath: I understood that as "players wont get there before X time, so we have X-1 time to polish it"
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod Is that just a result of coding crunch around release?
RockPusher: TNG did have good stuff before that - it got more consistent in S3
BlueMechanic: At least you get Measure of Man in season 2
Laserbeaks_Fury: Like, when Spore was gearing up for release, they released a Creature Maker to help populate the game because oif they didn't, no one was going find anything
Mr_Horrible: @Marvoleath yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that was true, budgeting for some amount of that time while the game's live
TXC2: BlueMechanic thinking the same thing
SocraticMethod: @ArtDecoSunburn No, it allows for players to fear up and learn the new mechanics since expansions are usually gear/level resets
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod That's a lot of spires slain.
SocraticMethod: @SocraticMethod Instead of having to grind 24/7 to get there
Laserbeaks_Fury: yeah, it takes time for stuff to populate and start circulating
ArtDecoSunburn: @SocraticMethod Huh. That's a game phenomenon completely alien to me. How interesting. Multiplayer is so foreign.
Mr_Horrible: yeah, same. I think a lot of the headline stuff was just sites looking for some "cheap heat" as it were
RockPusher: Consistency vs peak quality is I think the difference between genuine "This anime gets good 3 seasons in." and "It'll break you after that long into thinking you are enjoying yourself."
Marvoleath:
@TXC2 counter point - most of best TV shows only get 1 or 2 seasons and dont go into "we go as long as someone is watching" 
TXC2: Marvoleath true
Mr_Horrible: "Your life ends on June 10th" or something like that
TheMerricat: I think by now we've had enough MMOs out there that we know player psychology well enough that if everything is there day one, someone's going to go through the entire freaking content day one. Even if it takes them grinding 24 hours they're going to do it
ArtDecoSunburn: @Marvoleath Well, streaming upended everything. In the network days of 39-26-24-22 episodes a season, your fate was almost always decided one year at a time.
SocraticMethod: @ArtDecoSunburn It's pretty common in MMO/RPG or adjacent, where gear and levels matter.
RockPusher: Teapot Tempest - Teampest?
RockPusher: Tempot?
Laserbeaks_Fury: IMO, if I want to experience an entire game in one go is my business, not theirs. They only seem to care if they have stuff they want me to buy
TheMerricat: Hey I resemble that remark!
SocraticMethod: Yeah, everyone just reads the headlines if even that. And then goes "LOL Marathon failure Bungie washed"
Vinewood_OG: That is MY first thought.
mtvcdm: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Friday Night Paper Fight (Many Magic the Gathering players ask the question, wanna watch LRR play Canadian Highlander? Game: Magic: The Gathering) at Fri 05:00 PM PDT (1:42 from now).
TXC2: always check for your exits
SocraticMethod: Like the worst parts of looking dev posts in Resetera is everyone dropping their .02c only reading the thread title, not even the news post
LordZarano: If you happen to have a Playdate, their game store is having an Anniversary Sale now until March 19 10am PT
RockPusher: Life is nothing if not a constant series of leaving places
kingandcommoner: Call me poochie because my home planet is always calling me
TheAinMAP: Quick chill points, go.
ArtDecoSunburn: @Marvoleath I'm reminded of the Peabody and Humanitas winning "I'll Fly Away" from the early 1990s. Got two shortened seasons on NBC, so PBS rescued it with a closing TV movie because it was so good.
Firewhiskers: LRR rocks.
TheAinMAP: Or chill quick points?
ArtDecoSunburn: @Firewhiskers Like Cleveland?
Firewhiskers: @ArtDecoSunburn Or London
ArtDecoSunburn: @Firewhiskers I thought they were calling?
TheMerricat: Just a reminder to all the Browncoats out there, Even if tomorrow the discovery is that we aren't getting a resurrected firefly show.. they still can't take the original from you. Or the sky.
OldUncleDan: New Hampshire, not Wisconsin.
RockPusher:
Is Fun Spot a fun spot? Enquiring philosophers want to know!
Firewhiskers: @RockPusher Fun Spot is a great arcade center but whoo boy their Google Maps page has a sign outside them saying "Who is John Galt?"
ArtDecoSunburn: @Firewhiskers Ugh.
Thefluffiestguineapig: Yeah, where the hell would you even find a manufacturer nowadays
ContingentCat: guiness is a scam anyway, along with hollywood stars
LordZarano: @LordZarano Weird, tiny, black & white indie games that require an expensive console, are now slightly cheaper. But not cheaper enough to offset the console!
mtvcdm: Yeah, I've gone to Midwest Gaming Classic a couple times, there's a lot of old arcade cabinet trading and selling and parts... there's also showing off barcade machines and emulation machines that can play however many thousands of old arcade titles.
TXC2: thanks for streaming Heather, Paul and Beej
TXC2: !ytmember
LRRbot:
LRR has Youtube memberships. Don't know what that is? Well, as the video explains, it's another way to support LRR: https://youtu.be/bmdI0W2l9Zg
cmdrud87: always keep in mind, the Guinness Book was introduced to settle bar bets.
TheMerricat: @ArtDecoSunburn That's because the original founder / owner of fun spot is a huge libertarian and ran a libertarian newsletter. I don't know that they are still the same people running it though.
TXC2: !patreon
mtvcdm: !patreon
mtvcdm: lrrbot pls
Mr_Horrible:
TXC2: !store
mtvcdm: There we go
mtvcdm: !bluesky
nimbus_machine: apparently
Mr_Horrible: get that on a card kingdom button
Vinewood_OG: Oh, this is gaslighting!
BrindleBoar: @cmdrud87 and then turned into a racket where people are paying for some kind of publicity
Aarek: @cmdrud87 just like Michelin stars were introduced to sell tires
mtvcdm: !discord
LRRbot:
LRR has an official Discord server! And you don't even need to be subbed or anything! You can join here: https://discord.gg/lrr
ArtDecoSunburn: @TheMerricat Sounds New Hampshire. Free State Project types?
Mr_Horrible: in a good way!
ContingentCat: oh god
mtvcdm: !contact
LRRbot:
ALL of LRR's active and official points of contact can be found on the Master Contact List: https://lrr.cc/contact
Marvoleath: Cool and hot, a paradox
kingandcommoner: Nobody should remember me. ever.
TXC2: !addquote (Paul) [now] Remember: you're cool and sexy.....apprantly.
LRRbot: New quote #9539: "Remember: you're cool and sexy.....apprantly." —Paul [2026-03-13]
Snowcookies: ty for the stream
DigitalSeahorse: parasocial
ghyllnox: Do you take returns?
Thefluffiestguineapig: Thanks for the stream
ArtDecoSunburn: @Aarek At least they also gave us the Michelin Man.
SquareDotCube: And Heather has to hear that again
Firewhiskers: We appreciate you. Thanks for the lovely stream.
TXC2:
real cool of spell check to only tell me that was wrong AFTER I hit enter
DigitalSeahorse: woo
RockPusher: tbf I think the mic muff probably saved the viewers over the people in the room from that clap
DoodlestheGreat: Shooting of crap!
Vinewood_OG: No promises
DigitalSeahorse: also it's Friday the 13th, maybe play a bit of horror?
ArtDecoSunburn: Thank you for an engaging discussion session, LRR Chillpoint Types.
DigitalSeahorse: chat*
RockPusher: I have yet to decide if I am getting up at ass-o-clock for Crap Shoot
TXC2: !modquote 9539 (Paul) [now] Remember: you're cool and sexy.....apparently.
LRRbot: Modified quote #9539: "Remember: you're cool and sexy.....apparently." —Paul [2026-03-13]
KaleidoscopeMind: and he got healed!
DoodlestheGreat:
We'll TRY to help... 
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher Definitely the most regrettable of times on the clock.
RockPusher: Timezones are cruel and uncaring of my entertainment desires
Firewhiskers: Crab
LordZarano:
RockPusher:
DoodlestheGreat: It's what Shepard Wong wanted to be stuffed with.
TheMerricat:
Please tell me Paul is doing Crabmeat...
RockPusher: The Meatiest of Crabs
ArtDecoSunburn: @RockPusher Curse you, railroads and World War I centralized planning!
KaleidoscopeMind: mime sis(ters)?
Mr_Horrible: a thing thing but less thing than the thing (which they played on Let's Nope)
TXC2: !events
Mr_Horrible: oh wait no that was Nuclear Nightmare, not The Thing
TheAinMAP:
TheMerricat: Cat
mtvcdm: cat
RubikDarkwill: cat
ContingentCat: Cat is good
Mr_Horrible:
cat 
LordZarano:
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
TXC2: Bye!
DoodlestheGreat: 10 q 4 strem
Snowcookies: bye
TXC2: !discord
LRRbot:
LRR has an official Discord server! And you don't even need to be subbed or anything! You can join here: https://discord.gg/lrr
Mr_Horrible: thanks for the stream, gang
TXC2: !contact
LRRbot:
ALL of LRR's active and official points of contact can be found on the Master Contact List: https://lrr.cc/contact
ContingentCat: thanks Heather, Paul, nad Beej
DigitalSeahorse:
ContingentCat: *and
TXC2: Goodnight everybody!
ContingentCat: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Friday Night Paper Fight (Many Magic the Gathering players ask the question, wanna watch LRR play Canadian Highlander? Game: Magic: The Gathering) at Fri 05:00 PM PDT (1:33 from now).
RockPusher: 'night TXC2
RockPusher wanders off to contemplate one of life's great mysteries: What is for lunch?
hanksmama25: Who's all playing?
hanksmama25: I contemplate what's for dinner with a 2 year old
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