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SnackPak_:
I can do this now 
BraveOthello: More like DSLRR!
TomatoKigu: Oh that sounds like fun
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ErynTzun: Ian's Tinkering, Tailoring, Soldering or Frying. Either way, something's catching on fire.
BraveOthello: @Anubis169 Could I have a cookie instead?
ErynTzun: No two Ians are not on fire
Anubis169: 🍪
Anubis169: go for it
ErynTzun:
Anubis169: I'm really looking forward to this particular one
Anubis169: the screws in cameras are miniscule
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garfacemcgar: Not sure if excited for this, or if its going to hurt me
Anubis169: like almost glasses level
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: A quarter of a century ago I used to build and repair early ANPR cameras. It's not so bad as long as you're really gentle with the screws and fanatical about counting them out and in.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: That said, a laminar flow hood really helps with avoiding dust in the optics.
ErynTzun: Magnetic board and tray to line them up and label them neatly
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SnackPak_:
if you have leftover screws after reassembly, that just means you made it more efficient, right? 
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Yup. I have strips of magnetic tape along desk edges.
IanAllenBird: o/
TheAinMAP: Hello.
Anubis169: Helloooooooo
SnackPak_:
Paul
Anubis169: ooo it's a Sony
Anubis169: !patreon
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FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving:
Don't forget your blue Loctite when reassembling. 
Anubis169: !youtube
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NotCainNorAbel:
chaos5896:
Anubis169:
TheAinMAP:
RampG4mes: sup guys
Nigouki: wait aa minute, that's no a DSLR, that's a MILC
Anubis169: so this is a Sony a6000 (Model No. ILCE-6000)
TomatoKigu: Yeah! That's no DSLR! Misleading title. *grumble*
chaos5896:
@Nigouki Milk? 
James_the_Dabbler: Oh dang
TomatoKigu: Mirrorless Interchangable Lens Camera. MILC
chaos5896: 👍🏽
ErynTzun: Mirrorless cameras are nice I was in charge of the camera area at Microcenter (I had to clean it and put them on display) and we sold a crap ton of them. Since i used to work at a camera store it made sense to make me do it.
Anubis169: I had a casio one which malfunctioned with that issue, it was a gearing issue
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: The real difference between them is how threy'rre taxed. SA 30 minute recording limit counts them as still cameras and not movie cameras.
James_the_Dabbler: Damn
Anubis169: FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: So my casio has that recording limit entirely arbitrarily?
The_Color_Twelve: we did
chaos5896: Yes
IanAllenBird: ye
Juliamon: veep veep
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Anubis169 Yup. Check for modified firmware.
garfacemcgar: makes me think of the sensor cleaning mode
Anubis169: FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Well... shit...
garfacemcgar: tends to sound like that
RealGamerCow: No, REALLY turn it off
Anubis169: i'm guessing it's a gear out of alignment?
ErynTzun: It's a Mirrorless camera
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: If you're lucky it'll be a cleaning and reassembly job. If you're unlucky there will be a very tiny stripped gear.
SnackPak_: can we shove a mirror in there when we have it open?
BraveOthello: Does it have a physical mirror for the viewfinder
Nigouki: DSLR has an optical viewfinder
ErynTzun: DSLR Digital Single Lens Reflex
SarkhanGluedBackTogether: it's basically magic
Anubis169: Serge if you want, we can install one and make it a DSLR... it might need a second stream though
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: A DSLR shakes noticeably when it slings the prtism around
Nigouki: so fun fact: Sony also had a line of DSLT cameras where instead of a flipping mirror it will have an unmovable semi-transparent mirror in place
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Anubis169: You can stream yourself in Stereo
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Nigouki Ooh, fancy!
SnackPak_: dang Paul
James_the_Dabbler: LMAO
chaos5896:
thebuzzstreams: Paul saying what we're all thinking
Anubis169: LOL
TomatoKigu: lmao
public_key_reveal_party: Now, at least you are getting content out of the repair process
thebuzzstreams: we just have to remove the backup rocks
Mr_Bitterness: Turns out the appendix does have a use!
NotCainNorAbel: They have that bit to charge you $250
TomatoKigu: That's how I learned to take things apart as a kid; sometimes you get spare parts when you reassemble it.
public_key_reveal_party: every camera has the essential piece that explodes and kills it instantly
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Oh, if it's that you're in luck!
Nigouki: prepare for an incredible amount of very tiny bolts
ErynTzun: In ye olden days when I was a kid the explosion was the Flash Cubes!
ErynTzun: Exciting and expensive for a little kid
Juliamon: I do, and don't, miss physical flash
LoadingReadyRun:
quick check: is my voice a good volume on the stream?
Anubis169: Watch repair without a doubt
ErynTzun: point and shoots didn't have built in flash at the cheap level you had to get a 4 pack of cubes
Anubis169: that's a Wowstick isn't it?
IanAllenBird: @LoadingReadyRun sounds good to me
chaos5896: @LoadingReadyRun I think so
GhostValv: wowie
ErynTzun: 4 flashes a cube
GasCityGaming: those are fantastic btw, used one at my old job
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I am a bit jealous of that driver. It's very fancy.
TomatoKigu: Please get a screw tray…these kinda screws will fly everywhere without one.
Strebenherz: ian's dr who vibes
chaos5896: Yeah Paul, ur good👍🏽
public_key_reveal_party: can your screwdriver run doom?
IanAllenBird: lmao
ErynTzun: Nothing is funny as Doom running on the Pregnancy test
Anubis169: Ian for reference, what's the model of your screwdriver?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Damn, my fancy kettle has no games. Mine's a Fellowes.
RockPusher: Games on the kettle is both delightful and horrifying
public_key_reveal_party: @ErynTzun I have not heard of that specific one, so, time to go look that one up
ErynTzun: My Grandma was happy with the coffee machine having a timer, imagine if it ran Skyrim and had your coffee ready when you woke up.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Camera disassembly makes laptops look like they're easily serviced.
Juliamon: technically it wasn't "running" on the pregnancy test, just displaying, but that's less funny to say
SnackPak_: so smart
TomatoKigu: Same size screws is good for reducing your BOM cost, so that makes sense.
Anubis169: TomatoKigu: I love things which do that
RockPusher: grommet is a fun word
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Yeah, if you don't keep track of the screws you'll spend three hours repeatedly taking the thing apart to put the missing one in.
ErynTzun: Yeah I've got a very big magnetic erasable board for screws, iFixit makes them but there are plenty of other folks that do.
Anubis169: strap in
thebuzzstreams: well, more like strap out in this case
Juliamon: modern cameras are basically a tiny TARDIS
ErynTzun: @Juliamon That is true, but that even displaying it could be done at all is still a feat.
RockPusher: ports
Anubis169: These things are famous for having heat problems, because they have virtually no free space for air inside them. Everything square cm is accounted for
TomatoKigu: @Anubis169 My favourite part of product design…slapping two parallel resistors in place of the more correct one because it's cheaper since it's already on the BOM. Chef kiss.
Nigouki: if this is anything like my A57 there will be multiple boars you have to take off moving from the back forward until you get to the forward most layer with the sensor and shutter
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FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: The worst thing about the tiny cables is that there are several clorure mechanisms and if you misidentify them you will break them horribly.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: *closure
ErynTzun: oh it's not megnetic
SnackPak_: evil
Strebenherz: okay, diagram is clever
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Nigouki: you will also likely find two different threads: one for metal, one for plastic
Anubis169: spudging?
e_bloc: I've been screwing wrong my entire life
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Nigouki Oh, yes.
Anubis169: Chat, always use something firm, but softer material than what you're attempting to separate
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Big recommendation for the IFixit Jimmy spudger.
RockPusher: time to apply: leverage!
GasCityGaming: love me that spudger
ErynTzun: that is so annoying when the happens, but I suppose it's harder to make them all the same screw length and type like you could on a laptop and even then not all of them do. Apple isn't even the worst but part of that problem.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @GasCityGaming First stop for any casing.
ErynTzun: 🙏 GL
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SnackPak_:
Anubis169: I've used bent paperclips doing this
ErynTzun: Shmol
e_bloc: 22 minutes to show hole
RockPusher:
Nigouki: i would advise setting the focus to one of the two extremes and remembering which before unscrewing that
NotCainNorAbel: Serge is an amazing cohost
Too_Many_Knives: Someone needs to make slightly sticky paper for organizing parts on
ErynTzun: Yes there are several sizes of those mats depending on what you need them for.
TomatoKigu: @NotCainNorAbel Agreed, we need Serge on TTSF more often.
gualdhar: to answer Ian's question, he's never done a lockpicking stream, and doing a lockpicking stream would be amazing
Anubis169: that little git's like those screw covers you get in light switches that sit flush with the plastic
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: No need for a magnetic mat. It's dirt cheap as tape from art stores with stuff for children.
chaos5896: @gualdhar Agreed
ErynTzun: Nerds in this chat? NO! /s
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving:
Blu Tack?! Nah, museum gel is where it's at.
Anubis169:
you can also find those in clay model sculpting tools 
GasCityGaming: I used to work for Geek Squad and we were one of the few stores that actually did disasemblies and PC building on site rather than sending things away. Was my fave part, if at times frustrating.
ErynTzun: Oh like LockPickingLawyer
Anubis169: also can I take this time to praise iFixit, doing ze lord's work
a__travisty: is the keychain holding it together, sometimes they do that
Nigouki: they could be under the rubber
GasCityGaming: We stan iFixit
Anubis169:
we see 'em
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Anubis169 Seconded. The Manta screwdriver kit will do what you need.
GasCityGaming: like an m.2 screw
Nigouki: there might be one under the rubber eyepiece of the viewfinder
Anubis169: FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I have a slightly broader range of bits from one by Foundry40
Anubis169:
their screwdriver has an extendable click-out for making it longer and for reaching inside stuff 
ErynTzun: Yeah Microcenter is the same, but there aren't as many of them. And the Best Buys near us often don't sell all the computer parts like they used to in the 90s so cx would be directed to us from BB.
Anubis169: i miss Maplin's in UK
TomatoKigu: I don't suppose 2020s Sony provide service manuals anymore do they?
Anubis169: you used to be able to buy all sorts of components from there, without the 1-2 day lead time ordering off the internet has
Nigouki: if the eyepiece comes off it should comes off with just hands
DahudLefthanded: Just showed up. What are the symptoms?
GasCityGaming: They've gotten better but for a long time Sony electronics were horrible for proprietary stuff.
Juliamon: DahudLefthanded Shutter starts to open, changes its mind, screeen throws up an error
ErynTzun: When I worked at Radio Shack we could order so many parts in within a couple of days, engineers would come in with lists.
Anubis169: but Serge, you also drive a Volvo which is a tank and/or like driving armour. Anything that comes into contact with it will come off worse.
DahudLefthanded: Eep that ain't good
Juliamon: "fortunately" it's a fairly common issue
ErynTzun: RS ruined themselves by trying to be a phone store instead of a DIY parts store
Anubis169: ohhhhh
Anubis169: good eye
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @DahudLefthanded It's not so bad - it's the dust cover, not the actual shutter.
Anubis169: Manual Gear!?
RockPusher: Manual Gear with Semisoft Snork
ErynTzun is looking for the repair manual
chaos5896: @Anubis169 Fact: got into an accident where someone t-boned me at a light in a roundabout as I was going through. As I was moving forward and her car made contact with my Volvo, I ripped her front bumper off and there was barely any marks or visible damage where she made contact.
Polybius434445: there should be another one under the flash
putz12a: This is a Sony a6000, right? iFixIt actually has a page with some amount of teardowns
Anubis169: oo!!
ErynTzun: they do
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Yay!
Anubis169: ^
Mr_Bitterness:
Anubis169: ifixit has a teardown!
DigitalSeahorse: yay for trying things
DigitalSeahorse: lol Paul
QuixoticScrivener: Points for touching stuff!
paulthemapguy: Happy DSLR Day on Tinker Tailor! Today, DSLR stands for Don't Stop Loving Repairing!
DigitalSeahorse:
*flashes her own camera* 
ErynTzun: ahhhhh
Anubis169: chaos5896: My first car was a Volvo 340. Leaded petrol, manual choke on the steering column (no power steering). I knew a guy that got into a serious crash in one with a VW Golf. He had a 1 inch dent in his rear bumper, the entire front engine section of the Golf was gone.
ErynTzun: parts
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I feel like a fraud with my comments - my last repair was just re-soldering a USB port.
ErynTzun: hahaha
DigitalSeahorse: this reminds me of working at Japan Camera even though the only disassembly we did was prying open instant cameras for the film and the batteries
Anubis169:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: You are not a fraud, you just haven't had to repair anything in a while
Anubis169: there's a difference
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving:
@Anubis169 Close. I've not repaired any of the tricky things recently. 
Nigouki: the shutter button and setting wheel pages have pictures of all the screws to take the back off
ErynTzun: @DigitalSeahorse I did a lot of camera prying at Ritz camera to get film out, in dark rooms. Trying not to break real cameras. Disposable? didn't matter as long as the film was in tact!
TheNerdWonder: there might be a second screw inside the battery compartment?
Polybius434445: the top panel needs to come off first
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I tend to have a weird revision of anything I look up there.
ErynTzun: I learned out to fix my joycons from that, it suuuuuucks.
putz12a: There are two screws in the battery compartment that I can see
Anubis169: Serge: ifixit are paragons of repair. Any time someone has to fix a device, info or full blown tutorials get uploaded there.
Anubis169: and it's all free, and they link tools you'll need during the tutorials
roadhog123: The top comes off and there's a screw underneath on top of the viewfinder
ErynTzun: From Sony themselves I'm not finding any right to repair manuals though they state they have them.
TomatoKigu: Should be mentiioned that the iFixit tools they sell are surprisingly great quality for money. I love them.
GhostValv: ifixit helped me a lot on doing replacements for many things (a few battery and analog stick replacements so far)
Nigouki: oh boy, Ian was right, we got sooooooooo many ribbon cables to look forward to
ErynTzun: at least not on this model
Juliamon: It's one of the few remaining useful websites that hasn't counterbalanced its usefulness with unwanted dreck
ErynTzun: it would really stink if iFixit went AI
roadhog123: @Polybius434445 @LoadingReadyRun check step 8 in this link
Anubis169: wheeeeeeeee
DigitalSeahorse:
ErynTzun: Yes tripod mounts are mostly standard, there are some weird exceptions.
TomatoKigu: I enjoy the fact that iFixit was created because the founder couldn't find any help to tear down and fix his clamshell iBook
DigitalSeahorse:
pop
ErynTzun: @TomatoKigu how not to break the fragile plastic right off!
Anubis169: those ribbon cables are gnarly
Mr_Bitterness: Progress!
SnackPak_: *hacker voice* we're in!
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @TomatoKigu There comes a point when you have to be the person to make a guide. It's like open source. Or Thanos.
chaos5896:
We have achieved release!
TomatoKigu: I don't know what's more terrifying…modern cameras with tiny fragile ribbon cables, or old cameras with springs and pistons and itty bitty gears…
Anubis169: Now, marvel at how much space inside there isn't
DigitalSeahorse: one of those old puzzles where you figure out how to get the penny out
RockPusher: The files are *inside* the computer!
DigitalSeahorse: back when there were still pennies
chaos5896:
@RockPusher 
Anubis169: rubber-tipped tweezers are da bomb
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @ErynTzun See, that's where I search like a fanatic or do things the hard way and document them. Like Henry Rollins and Will Shatner, I can't get behind selling repair guides.
Anubis169: yes they actually do that
DigitalSeahorse:
Mr_Bitterness: The look of horror
TomatoKigu: So many reaction gifs could be made
Nigouki: Serge you have at least a dozen more ribbon cables to look forward to :V
DigitalSeahorse:
ErynTzun: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving it's cheap but still, Sony should have this. They have so many manuals!
Anubis169: this is why they have epic heat dissipation issues while videoing
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Yeah
DigitalSeahorse: it's like the borg
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a__travisty: greebling but it's all functional lol
DigitalSeahorse: just install it to your face
TomatoKigu: I would love to look at the CAD files for something like this
TheMerricat: turns out high tech devices require having a lot of tech in them to do their tech stuff.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: This does remind me that I've been planning to add a Peltier cooler to an old Canon DSLR for astrophotography
ErynTzun: I've found manuals for decades old electronics, this is so weird I can't find this thing for free so far. ANd I'm searching with NO AI enabled so no garbage links
Anubis169:
Paul: My casio got so hot one time videoing for 3-4 hours on a martial arts seminar in 36c heat, the battery started swelling in the chamber 
I had to open the chamber asn slap the camera to shift it out and replace it with a fresh one.
jadielady: hey y'all
Anubis169: jadie~~
ErynTzun: Welcome to teeny screw land!
Nigouki: tape the paper down
Juliamon: ^
Anubis169: ^
DoodlestheGreat: Tape the screws to the paper?
ErynTzun: make a tape loop stick screws on that
RockPusher: I've been contemplating the concept of how one could build ones own television if you could source a panel since it may be the only way to do it if I want a dumb tv in the future
Anubis169: this has been designed by somebody with a CAD program who's never had to deal with servicing...
ErynTzun: You could probably e-mail Sony and they might be able to give it to you, it's just saying they don't have the right to repair manual available.
Anubis169: like that car where, to change the battery, you had to take the wheel off and slot it out from underneath
TomatoKigu: @TheMerricat Nice
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Best thing to repair? A good kitchen stand mixer. Kenwood and KitchenAid have always been happy to sell parts and give out the service manualsd.
SquareDotCube: If you've got double-sided tape you can tape the spaces and put the screws there to grip
Anubis169: ErynTzun: Sony will not give you jack, I've tried on so many occasions. They either stonewall you or say "Sorry that isn't available"
TheMerricat: @Anubis169 or alternatively it's been designed by someone with a CAD program and the directive "Make this as hard to service as possible so they'll have to use our official service center"
Phailhammer: @Anubis169 In my previous car, in order to replace one of the coolant outflow pipes, the entire turbocharger had to come out.
Anubis169:
ErynTzun: @Anubis169 that is so annoying, I've e-mailed other companies plenty of times also older like Sony and I've been able to get so much help
DigitalSeahorse: I took apart my old office chair without instructions or manuals other than how to hammer the wheel legs free from the cylinder in the center
roadhog123: Step 18: Two screws on the bottom either side of the tripod screw hole
ErynTzun: Good cx service gets you a return customer and one who will recommend things, so it's only a good thing to help them repair their stuff.
DigitalSeahorse: had to pry part of it cause of a shredded screw that wouldn't budge
Anubis169: it's not unserviceable, it's just a right pain in the ass by virtue of its design
RockPusher:
"Uh oh" is the catchphase for this show
DigitalSeahorse: dongle the bongle
TomatoKigu: uh-oh has been called, 48 minutes into episode
James_the_Dabbler: Things you never want a surgeon to say: Uh oh
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I repaired my parents' Kenwood stand mixer they got as a wedding present thirty years later. They sold the resistor and capacitor to fix the speed control for 97p. Postage included.
DigitalSeahorse: or boing goes the dongle
Anubis169:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I miss our one!! It died a death 
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Anubis169 Oh no!
Anubis169: was one of those ones made before the power restrictions came in, only one for miles that could blend a brick
DoctorHutch: These steps are feeling not easily reversible
Phailhammer: One of my favourite computers to deal with was the Lenovo X131; I think the most difficult part I ever replaced was the keyboard, and even then it was only like three screws.
ErynTzun: Depends on the photographer
ErynTzun: I bet National Geographic photographers have some serious hours, and most do both.
TheMerricat:
Puting a PS5 in a DSi Case.
ErynTzun: Make a portable Gamecube from a Wii in miniature form because it's easier to hack up the motherboard
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Anubis169 Heh, that's why you go Kenwood if you have the power supply. Still, I'm not going to complain that my KitchenAid is underpowerd, given I got it for free and ordered the motor parts to convert it from 110V to 220V for less than £100
wedge_x: spudge without rythym / and you won't / attract / the worm
DigitalSeahorse: every thing is a thing sooner or later
DigitalSeahorse: except for nothing
Anubis169: ooooo, it has a 220v conversion kit?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Anubis169 Not exactly, though you only need to change the stator, rotor, and speed controller.
AnimeKitty:
Panicked Serge face is always funny 
ErynTzun: You really have to have done it a lot before you try that
RockPusher: ♫ You gotta know when to force it… ♫
Anubis169: thanks for reminding me btw ian, i need to get some new reverse tweezers
protojman: top 5 angriest Serge moments
ErynTzun: oh yes those slot brackets
ErynTzun: Well thermal paste is always a thing unless it's a thermal pad
ErynTzun: ALL force insertian
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: BHIF - Bloody Huge Inserion Force
RockPusher: CPU, zero force. Heatsink, *maximum* force
Anubis169: Paul: Do you remember very carefully putting the pins in the holes, lining everything up, and then wincing as you pushed the lever down at the initial (crunch) it makes?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving is old and british
ErynTzun: Flat Wire
RockPusher: Flat and flexible
ErynTzun: easy to tear, annoying to replace
ErynTzun: and boy howdy really hard to solder
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Flatflex is for people who weren't already scarred by basic ribbon cables
TomatoKigu: I serviced payment terminals for a while…the damn ribbon cable for the contactless payment antenna ripped on 90% of them, almost every one needed them replaced.
RustZenith: Also tip for pc building, plz remove the sticker under the headsink before you install it.
Anubis169:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: same, old enough to know what an acoustic coupler is
Anubis169: and also british
RockPusher: TomatoKigu that sounds like a design flaw if ever I heard one
TomatoKigu: oh god yes
TomatoKigu: They sucked to service lol
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Anubis169 Oh, the modulation! The terrible de-modulation!
Anubis169: kkkkrrshhhhhhhshssshshshsh
Lysander_salamander: Hello everyone
Lysander_salamander: Oh, Tinkering!
ErynTzun: the ones in the joy con are so teeny tiny in short, they thought oh this shouldn't be user serviceable no one would want to. And yet some of us don't want to spend another $30-40 on a joycon
Anubis169: Welcome in Lysander!
ErynTzun: Yes you're paying for the repair person's time and expertise as well as their access to professional tools.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I hate that super-flimsy button board
TomatoKigu: Damaging ribbon cables is what ribbon cables do best!
Lysander_salamander: "The insides of things are beautiful," As Wondermark has said.
Anubis169: WHEEEEEE
ErynTzun: the ones in the GBA SP too,the are in the goddamn hinge
ErynTzun: it's FREE
thebuzzstreams: NSFW sounds for anyone listening on speakers XD
DigitalSeahorse:
Anubis169: now the difficult bit
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: This is reminding me of the pimping of my controller . . .
Strebenherz:
@DigitalSeahorse 
ErynTzun: Lvl up
DoctorHutch: Got the long piece for a tetris
RockPusher:
At least Serge has the safety hoodie for the horror parts of electronic repair 
Anubis169: heat shielding
Xed_Regulus: We need to go deeper...
Nigouki: sooooooooo many ribbon cables in this board sandwich
afterlanterns: is there like risk of exposing a component thats light sensitive..? the ccd or whatever..?
Lysander_salamander: So, we know what's already wrong with the camera? Or are we just popping it open to see what's inside?
Anubis169: Those flaps can take a running jump, they're SO fragile
ErynTzun: 10
TomatoKigu: Replacing those ribbon cable connectors is also a less than fun experience.
LadyAiluros: Soooo many annoying little ribbon cables
roadhog123: Ten
roadhog123: Three on the side
The_Color_Twelve: 3 on side not 1
TomatoKigu: Three on the side yeah
ErynTzun: oh yes I cannot imagine breaking tiny a flap and trying to replace it.
Phailhammer: Thanks, Serge.
Phailhammer:
Anubis169: Good luck threading that centre-left ribbon cable back through in the reassembly stage
TomatoKigu: Think camera vendors prefer the term "main board" these days tho.
Anubis169:
i recently resurrected my speakers by replacing all the capacitors inside
Anubis169: which is why I can hear you all now
ErynTzun: If at all possible it's best to leave threaded cables in so you don't have to re-do it. Not always an option.
RockPusher: [ Ninajirachi Intensifies ]
Anubis169: that's a friction fit
Anubis169: insert, then lock down squeeze
Lysander_salamander: Thank goodness this isn't an apple device, with the anti-repair measures like none of the screws being the same size
MasonzeroGaming: Making me glad I obly broke my lens and not my body when my camera took a tumble.. That was hard enough to open and attempt to repair.
DigitalSeahorse: adding a second hard drive or 3rd is all I've done to a computer
TomatoKigu: Boards are pick and place, final assembly by humans in a cleanroom.
Veshnikard: easily breakable latches
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Yeah, that's a people-complicated job.
LadyAiluros: eleventy million
Strebenherz: 10
Manae: I wish those latches were good for more than three or four openings
RockPusher: less than we make it out to be, but enough that we joke about it
ErynTzun: There are Sony Factory tours on youtube
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Tough byut easy to catastrophically fuck
SnackPak_: in my experience, the connectors break first
Anubis169: about a 7, but they're so fiddly
Anubis169: those latches are also a 7
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: You do not want to need to replace broken flatflex connectors.
roadhog123: There will be two things to remove on the back once we get it free
Anubis169: yup!
RealGamerCow: The current Dell laptops have a latch that connects the battery to the mobo and they are the flimsiest things on the planet
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: You need to have hot-air gear and at least intermediate skills with it
LadyAiluros: yeah board level stuff is wild
Anubis169: resistors, capacitors, diodes, 0402 surface-mount soldering
Anubis169 shudders
Mr_Bitterness: I consider myself pretty computer-build literate and I don't get into the soldering level
Mr_Bitterness: That way lies madness
Anubis169:
Mr_Bitterness: that way lies wizardry if you learn it properly
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: It's not that the soldering itself is difficult when replacing those connectors - for some unholy reason they're made from easily melted plastic
Anubis169: case and point, my speakers... it was £3.60 for new capacitors, or £350 for new speakers. A no-brainer.
ErynTzun: I don't think my eyes are good enough for serious soldering
Anubis169:
ErynTzun: they make soldering microscopes and even just posable magnifying glasses
ErynTzun: If it came to that I would ask for help
DigitalSeahorse: I have mad respect for people that design circuit boards like the one Ian is now freeing
SnackPak_:
its out!
Anubis169: yay!
TomatoKigu:
ErynTzun: @Anubis169 There are some eye issues that a magnifying glass won't solve
ContingentCat:
Anubis169:
that's what the microscope is for 
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @ErynTzun There are tools for that - after I got too old to have a short-sighted super-zoom I got one of those headbands with a pair of lenses.
Anubis169: and i mean ones that have digital screens, not eyepieces
ErynTzun: @Anubis169 still would not work for me
DigitalSeahorse: it's harder than it looks to make lines between things and have it look cool without stuff running into each other
SnackPak_: I feel like Serge needs to be dabbing the sweat off if Ian's brow, like a surgeon
ContingentCat: A problem for future Ian
DigitalSeahorse: and to have it actually function as intended
Mr_Bitterness: @SnackPak_ Luckily there's no retraction needed for this operation
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @SnackPak_ That comes when a component has been refusing to fit back in for half an hour
DigitalSeahorse: a benign tomor
lamina5432: I have finished baking choco chip cookies, hows the camera fixing?
Strebenherz: augh
SquareDotCube: just follow the steps in reverse
DigitalSeahorse: I don't even like when they gotta put an IV in my hand instead of part way up my arm, it hurts more and makes me feel worse the whole time it's in there
ErynTzun: @Anubis169 that might work, the issue is I really need more than glasses to fix my issue, expensive surgery
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: That mapping is what I'm really looking forward to with the notebook function of my new Kobo e-reader and stylus
ContingentCat: @DigitalSeahorse Oh yeah I've had that an IV in the hand hurt for ages after
HorusFive: Gotta sneak up on the broken bits, Ian
ErynTzun: hmm basically a microscope with monitor and yeah that is a garbage monitor
TomatoKigu: Would love to see Serge's reaction to taking a Nikon F3 apart.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I prefer optics over digital 'scopes - the lag becomes a problem when you're working at a small enough scale
LoadingReadyRun: The Guy from Strange Parts did a video about using a microscope soldering station that was quite interesting
afterlanterns: the copper tint is quite pretty, fwiw
DigitalSeahorse: @ContingentCat yup, I'd pretty much have to be in the height of kidney stone pain to be willing to have an IV in the hand. Thankfully last time they didn't need to.
Anubis169: the ones that have decent monitors cost less than the optical eyepiece ones by far
Anubis169: this is Open Case Surgery
afterlanterns:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: That said, you don't need to see all that closely to drag-solder, you just need the magnification to check it after
AugmentingPath: who doesn't like to have their viscera complimented from time to time, though?
AnimeKitty: @DigitalSeahorse I had appendicitis when I had an IV in the hand
Anubis169: agreed, i do most of my soldering with an angle-poise magnifying glass lamp
Anubis169: oh christ!
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @AugmentingPath What you probably don't need is a doctor explaining the camera view from inside your bladder. Trust me.
ErynTzun: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving Yeah, I would be worried about being able to aim it with my fingers not being able to feel what I'm holding all the time too. Accidentally bridging things. Also hand issues. Anxiety side effect.
TomatoKigu: Younger me did hand soldering SMD…older me is too unstable on my hands.
AugmentingPath: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving Oh no! In real time or after the fact?
MWGNZ: double poutine
lamina5432: poutine
DigitalSeahorse:
@AnimeKitty 
GhostValv: o/
protojman: that's why i had cookout today
RockPusher: Serge eats *the whole* chicken
jvetting83: bored eater
afterlanterns: california style, with the french fries and avocado chunks
buffn99: indulgent is 3 pieces of pizza or a burrito?...lol
AnimeKitty:
I just stress nap 
TomatoKigu: This feels more like a butter chicken kind of project.
lamina5432: get some ice cream for desert
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @ErynTzun Exactly. Luckily, plenty of flux and a gentle swipe will help a lot
Anubis169: Today I had a mushroom and spinach pizza with a little bit of ricotta on it
SnackPak_:
is all the Korean fried chicken a cry for help?
ErynTzun: What's the percentage of Canuckians in chat?
LoadingReadyRun: @SnackPak_ yes. help find more fried chicken
doubleo21: It’s late here, so I’ll indulge in breakfast poutine tomorrow morning
AnimeKitty:
TomatoKigu: It's 3 AM, but I have tortilla chips to indulge in.
Anubis169: is breakfast poutine the canadian equivalent of leftover morning kebab?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Lever, tray, or friction? Choose wisely!
TomatoKigu: @Anubis169 How do you get leftover kebab?
Anubis169: big kebabs
DigitalSeahorse: best poutine I've ever had was Duck Confit Poutine that I ordered from Sign restaurant which has everyone order in sign language.
sparkywondersnail: watching the tear down, makes me think an old film slr would be easier to take apart
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: At least that's a part that doesn't need to work for the job to be a success
ErynTzun: make many smaller babs from big bab
jvetting83: when i hear breakfast poutine I think of poutine with sausage gravy instead of brown gravy.
DigitalSeahorse: duck is a yappy hand sign in ASL as one might expect
ErynTzun: Film cameras might have more metal but they are also still complex in their own way
ErynTzun: Ask me how many I was afraid to break in a dark room prying the film out
TomatoKigu: F screw
Anubis169: So everybody remembers that kiosk game where you service things like phones, DS consoles, remote controls, etc
sparkywondersnail: a good slr most certainly.
Anubis169: immersion. broken.
doubleo21: @jvetting83 That’s what the place near me uses, plus eggs, bacon, and sausage.
GrathXVI: I can't imagine why not, Serge
RockPusher: gee, I wonder why
7gorobei: are modern electronics internals the equivalent of meccha chameleon?
jvetting83: @doubleo21 that sounds awesome.
GrathXVI: This has been so simple and easy so far
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Camera shops haven't done the thing since the last century
ErynTzun: @7gorobei I don't think there are service manuals for that game lol
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Thadrin46: This is kinda terrifying ngl.
Anubis169: If you see something cool chat, clip it
Anubis169: all clips can't only be on this camera
AnimeKitty: I'm too scared to open my PS4 to dust it. This is terrifying
DigitalSeahorse: LOL
e_bloc: yeah actually just leave it there and we'll take care of the rest
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Thadrin46 Not as much as it seems. Be slow, gentle, and keep track of the parts and it's just a question of scale.
e_bloc: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving are you quoting the kama sutra
ErynTzun: In my experience it's better to put stuff back in reverse immediately rather than wait and forget or have screws get lost
Anubis169: AnimeKitty: Do what I did
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @e_bloc Give me another glass of rum and I probably will
SnackPak_: fingers crossed for no tiny springs
Anubis169:
contact somebody with a milling machine, get a thermal block made, and watercool your PS4 No air, no dust.
lamina5432: I mean it wasn't working in the first place and shops wouldn't repair it anyway so we were at no real loses even if something comes up
ErynTzun: Springs are the devil
e_bloc: on top of the spring, beside the stick and straight on for three miles
Anubis169: EEP
GrathXVI: @ErynTzun Bonus fun is spring-loaded detents
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Portable tape players are good training for camera work
ErynTzun: @Anubis169 PS4 passively cooled
e_bloc: what's a tape
AnimeKitty: @Anubis169 What is money?
AnimeKitty:
Anubis169: i dunno
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @e_bloc Ooh, you scamp!
DigitalSeahorse: @e_bloc it's what we had before CDs and DVDs! you scamp!
MWGNZ:
magnets
e_bloc: @DigitalSeahorse I joke but my first real job was cataloging and storing magnetic tape backups
e_bloc: probably still the fastest way to transmit data
TehAmelie: magnets are rad
ErynTzun: Magnets we know how they work and they are cool
DigitalSeahorse: @e_bloc woo, cool technology!
TomatoKigu: The lens isn't even on the camera rn, you took it off.
DigitalSeahorse:
ErynTzun: oh magnetic tape back ups, there was an episode of Dead Like Me where they backed stuff up on those.
e_bloc: what do you think the most complex thing Ian could take apart and fix without being told anything about it beforehand
James_the_Dabbler: man I’m having my own TTSF at home right now so this is kinda soothing actually
e_bloc: I'm running the thursday night paper sort
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @e_bloc Ooh, fancy tape!
AnimeKitty:
e_bloc: !clip
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RockPusher:
Dunk the camera in the sea, I'm sure all that conductive seawater will help!
James_the_Dabbler: That’s what she said
Anubis169: if you get oils on something you really shouldn't, can you use isopropyl alcohol?
e_bloc: size matters much less than the skill of the engineer
LoadingReadyRun:
I feel "electronics disassembler simulator" could be a super solid videogame. It combines organization, puzzle solving, hidden objects and dexterity 
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Yeah, it's a question of the substrate it has to grip and the weight per screw
e_bloc: yeah because the case is weak so they built the whole camera out of camera
RockPusher: The heatsinks are the chassis
GasCityGaming: car body vs. car frame
TomatoKigu: The design of this camera reminds me of that urban legend about the IPod; Where Steve Jobs supposedly threw the prototype in a fish tank and said "See, there's still air in it, make it smaller"
James_the_Dabbler: @LoadingReadyRun Pretty sure I saw a game like that recently
DigitalSeahorse: oh that screw just reminded me of trying to remove bolts and a gear from my office chair and it fell inside the seat base instead of coming off in my hand like they should have
Anubis169: Paul: If you ever played My Summer Car, it kinda does that already
Nigouki: that depends on the camera, this is technically a low-to-mid end camera. the higher end cameras tend to have very fancy CNC'd magnesium bodies that also help with thermal management
lamina5432: watched a video on the dude who designed the form fitting grip for modern cameras
realbadatthis_: @LoadingReadyRun They released a little cozy game that does exactly this. "ReStory"
DigitalSeahorse: always a pain when screws and smol bits get lost or fall somewhere you can't get to easily
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: The aluminium frame isn't bolted to the front case, the front case is bolted to the frame from behind
SnackPak_: ooo
e_bloc: @realbadatthis_ that is a fantastic name for a game
thebuzzstreams: surprised we aren't gloved this deep in
realbadatthis_: @e_bloc makes for good fall asleep streaming too
DigitalSeahorse:
afterlanterns: under under
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @thebuzzstreams Not in the sealed areas yet. Hopefully that won't be needed at all.
e_bloc: no doubt
Veshnikard: 90 minutes of tear down we can finally start fixing the problem
e_bloc: if you completely removed every reference to camera, this stream would sounds incredibly lewd
Anubis169: is that a brace that came loose?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Paryt of a slider?
thebuzzstreams: @e_bloc especially some of Serge's reactions
LoadingReadyRun: ya, things like My summer car and PC build simulator are a bit similar to what I was thinking but I want something that gets really deep into the details
e_bloc: @thebuzzstreams and Ian's . . . typical verbage
ErynTzun: I tried PC Build simulator, I wish there was a more advanced version of it.
DigitalSeahorse: as I was just saying, it's a pain when smol stuff falls....
e_bloc: @LoadingReadyRun I just want a pocket-watch repairing game
ErynTzun: Like you can sort of learn to build with it, but not really.
MWGNZ: gravity is like a form of magnetism
TomatoKigu: …speaking of broken shutters, where did my mamiya nc1000 go
Anubis169: eyy!
Anubis169: gotcha!
LoadingReadyRun: @ErynTzun ya. I was disappointed in that as well. they simplfy the interesting parts
TomatoKigu: The fun part about magnetism is that there are so many kinds of magnetism.
ErynTzun: It would cool to really have a game that showed all the obscure things to do with computer set up that ppl don't think of. like grounding yourself ffs
thebuzzstreams: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving Would this be sealed area?
DigitalSeahorse:
afterlanterns: the brushed gunmetal 🤌
ErynTzun: you would think that would not be a thing ppl would skip but they do and eff up their machines
DigitalSeahorse:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @thebuzzstreams Nah, that's just interior. The optical parts actually have serious dust protectopn.
DrakoniteDev: the slomo guys recently released a video showing how those shutters move. it is kinda crazy
thebuzzstreams: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving thank you for the insight
buffn99: @ErynTzun it's barely an issue tbh
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Lens motor?
ErynTzun: @LoadingReadyRun Specifics of what direction to insert front panel connectors, how to set up RAM in the BIOs would be good to know. Things like the fact that power connectors on a PSU can be split. I had a cx that didn't understand he could split the motherboard 24 pin into a 20 for an old rig.
DigitalSeahorse:
e_bloc: this is a 2.5 hour let's try stream that could be condensed into a 25 minute erotica audiobook
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Yeah, Ian and Serge will have crunchy necks by now
TehAmelie: that might be more of a re-edit
ErynTzun: @buffn99 It is less of an issue than it used to be, but beginners do a lot of things they shouldn't because ppl now just follow online video guides that don't get that deep and then come to the repair shop to find it was a simple thing those guides never mention is my point.
ewhac: Repairing cameras is a bit like repairing a wristwatch. Everything's very tiny, tolerances are crazy-tight, and if you don't already know how everything goes together, you're probably going to end up lost.
DigitalSeahorse: @e_bloc that's more like Adam reading on stream trying different story lines
ErynTzun: Like driving in St Paul
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @ewhac Fair, though I would add that they're both less scary if you have a good selection of spare springs.
e_bloc: @DigitalSeahorse true, Adam said he wanted to be a voice actor, not what kind of voice actor
DigitalSeahorse:
@e_bloc
ErynTzun: Waiting ppl restore arcade units with just like 100s of small parts on hand very amusing. oh I didn't have 100 versions of this yet, welp now I do.
LordZarano: oh ffs, Thought I'd found a completely uncut video of someone doing this repair, and then they cut out the actual shutter gear repair
ErynTzun: awww
TomatoKigu: Sounds like a Reddit post in video form
TomatoKigu: "Can anyone help me to ... ?" "Fixed it, thanks"
ErynTzun: FF to the point you need because it's the most difficult and unintuitive but they don't film it, curses!
TehAmelie: youtube was a mistake
ErynTzun: @TomatoKigu Old BBS where the post that solved it has been deleted or the user was hammer banned
ErynTzun: Recycling
TomatoKigu: @ErynTzun Classic
spethycakes: that's a big up
MWGNZ:
Serge
Juliamon: Up chocolate, down piss
ewhac: Upchock-olate?
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e_bloc:
@Juliamon 
DigitalSeahorse: Upchocolate: The best sort of chocolate.
RatherLargeToad: bad news, it’s haunted
e_bloc: shakes polaroid. camera's haunted
Anubis169: so... congealed lube?
e_bloc: you know what they call congealed lube? lube\
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Ste stickyness might just be from having disturbed some high-shear grease
MWGNZ: gear loose on the shaft?
Anubis169:
if that's the actual cause, I called that at the beginning of the stream
7gorobei: maybe put a shim collar around the axle to keep it from sliding back down.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Grab the lab PSU and see if the mechanism runs smoothly before refitting
RockPusher: Lube In III
Anubis169: We don't do things because they're easy. We do things because... we thought... they'd be easy...
MWGNZ: or if the glue falls off later
serramarkov: Exactly, @Anubis169, exactly.
e_bloc: we put it all back together but now it's a calculator
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @RockPusher Possibly best not - the wrong lube can be worse than old lube for things that fiddly
protojman: 1000%
ErynTzun: old think pads were so easy to take apart and slot in new things without taking much apart
Anubis169: replacing the battery, which has become a spicy pillow...
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Because sometimes there isn't a weird Polish hacker available.
LordZarano: If you can put 4.5V across the motor the shutter should move very quickly, according to that video
Nigouki: i've had to take apart my a57 I think 4? times because if any of the ribbon cables are not fully inserted you get an error
ErynTzun: Yeah makes sense proprietary parts
e_bloc: I think I remember this story
Anubis169: HURK!!
SnackPak_: whoops
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: (Polish hack sites are pretty hardcore.)
Anubis169: 0402 soldering
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: For home use, you order sample books of SMT parts.
DigitalSeahorse: don't want to accidentally perm install ransomware
Nigouki: tbh given current World Events you probably DO want an alternative to authentic Russian hackers >_>
e_bloc: gonna put a listing on linkedin for certified russian hacker
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Nigouki Hell, I'd be happy with my mundane life not being messed with by state-employed Russian hackers . . .
ewhac: I tried fixing my Pentax K-S2 DSLR, changing the aperture release solendoid. Getting in was a bear, de-soldering and re-soldering the solenoid was scary, and getting everything back together in the right place was very fiddly. And when I was done... It still didn't work.
e_bloc:
DigitalSeahorse:
Anubis169: I'm so tempted to quote that
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @ewhac Ah, but you know more for your next time taking it apart and staring angrily.
ewhac: I ended up "fixing" it by replacing it with a Pentax K-70.
e_bloc: h o t t out-let
DigitalSeahorse:
Cptasparagus: theres probably a way to assemble this with a nailgun where it still works
Cptasparagus: im just saying
Anubis169: the battery housing
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Ian, you've known for years that you could do with a load of drawers filled with jellybean parts in your life . . .
ErynTzun: @ewhac all sweaty and cussing while probably losing something in the process you find later
Anubis169: the long thin ribbon cable first
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Insert the power and mortor assemble. >.>
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: *motor. Mortar could be distressing.
ErynTzun: worlds tiniest rhythmic gymnastics ribbon, mouse sized Olympic games.
shushu2539: I admire Ian's confidence. I could not remove a single part without feeling I would irreparably damage it
garfacemcgar: @ewhac rip to the k-mount dlsrs
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: In before a coated screw is put somewhere it's critical to use an unclated screw for grounding
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving has bitter experiences
Nigouki: check your ribbon cables
Nigouki: then double check your ribbon cables
7gorobei: when i was 16yo the cassette tape deck radio in my parent's car stopped working, the drive belt snapped. i had to disassemble the console cluster to get the deck out, open up the deck to get access to the belt, go to radio shack to get a replacement belt, replaced the belt, and re-install. this was pre-internet. when i tested the deck it played the tape backwards. the belt needed a figure 8 twist to make the drive turn the right direction.
e_bloc: gesundheit
ewhac: Is Paul on standby ready to replay the part of the video where they took this bit apart?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @7gorobei Ah, the old days. They taught us problem solving, they taught us resilience, they fucked us up far more than either of those are worth
e_bloc: knowing paul, I wouldn't be surprised
e_bloc: also Beej is off-screen with a 2x4
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @ewhac Both! Choose wisely!
e_bloc: machine screws dream of electric screwdrivers
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Cutting a threa
7gorobei: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving the only upside was it was summer and i could walk away from the project after cursing for 10 minutes without any real consequence as nobody else was driving the car much.
Nigouki: machine screw needs deez nuts
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @7gorobei That wasn't the case when I had to remove the steering wheel from my mother's car to fit an alarm.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving grimaces
Nigouki: 9
NotCainNorAbel:
500
7gorobei: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving american car culture requisite for basic daily living is a real monkey's paw outcome.
ewhac: Shine some light in there, Serge...
e_bloc: suction!
62MGcobra: PIVOT!
ewhac: "AZIZ! LIGHT!"
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @7gorobei Oh, much worse than that - I'm from the UK and cars get a fairly comprehensive annual safety test after they're three years old. Taking the wheel off terrified my teenage self.
DigitalSeahorse:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: This does seem to be closing up quite nicely
DigitalSeahorse: xD
GrathXVI: Reset the clock!
MWGNZ: we noticed before we put everything else together
e_bloc: I did think this was going way too easily
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Nah, Serge! That's not an "Oh No!" It's a "Yay, we caught it before closing the whole thing up!"
Capt_clown: Don't panic, we can turn this all around... wait...
DigitalSeahorse:
Mai_Andra: Serge's "affable panic" is a good addition to this show, I think.
DigitalSeahorse: UNDER under
MacbethSeemsSus: Otto, focus!
DigitalSeahorse:
@MacbethSeemsSus 
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Left hand over right hand, both hands throw the thing out of the window
62MGcobra: a project of this magnitude with serge and no canban board
e_bloc: I wonder if numbering the screws would have helped...you know last out first in
DigitalSeahorse: there's still two screws under mobo?
MWGNZ:
great helping, serge
TomatoKigu: Think if you want to be pedantic about it ribbon cables are technically very thin flexible circuit boards rather than wires.
loufghyslaufey: Well.... see?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @TomatoKigu To be even worse, ribbon cables and flatflex are entirely different things
ewhac: They're occasionally called flex cables.
e_bloc: glgl
DigitalSeahorse: so that other "under mobo" screw is off to the right side of it completely then?
SnackPak_:
DigitalSeahorse: ah
TomatoKigu: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving You're absolutely right.
MWGNZ: who up lifting they fish?
e_bloc: descend upon the fishmongers
ewhac: Depth: All the way.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I've been harvesting the old IDE cables I've collected to make board interconnects for a long time. I'll be quite sad when they run out
ErynTzun: E
TomatoKigu: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving You can always get reels of it from digikey/farnell/etc
ErynTzun: I had this really tall case at one point and it was very hard to find cables long enough when they failed
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @TomatoKigu True. That'd also take up less space than my tangled box of obsolete cables
chaos5896: Had to disappear for a bit. I take it we got to the problem?
ewhac: Once upon a time, you could walk in to Fry's and get nearly any cable of any length.
MWGNZ: replace the workbench with a flatscreen tv
ErynTzun: I'm very glad that SATA became a thing, cases are so much better to connect things in now without the IDE cable in the way
loufghyslaufey: "Stuck-On": Apply vaguely without direction!"
TomatoKigu: One upside of making your own cables is that IDC connectors are thankfully relatively easy to terminate even without the special tools made for it.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: This is when you go to the local vape shop to grab a pair of ceramic tweezers.
Cptasparagus: Exploratory Serge-ury
loufghyslaufey: So, functionally probable
MWGNZ: we got a practice rep in
pimiento: sometimes 'take it apart and put it back together' is the fix
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ewhac: Gotta go pick up my sweetie at the airport. Best of fortune to you both!
DigitalSeahorse: dental hooks!
chaos5896: Thanks, Serge!
ErynTzun: o7
ewhac waves
MWGNZ: turn it very off
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: If you're going to get forceps for electronics, go the whole way and get the heat-shunt type for soldering easily melted components
wedge_x: precision percussive maintenance
TomatoKigu: CLA is the most common repair job for film cameras; Clean, Lubricate, Adjust.
DigitalSeahorse: the old unplug it and plug it back in tech support
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @TomatoKigu Yeah, and not just cameras
Juliamon: I got very familiar with my last laptop's internals because the hard drive had a funky connection and had to be reseated every 9-odd months. Annoying, but at least a really easy fix.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I've revived a laptop that couldn't even POST by removing an astounding amount of terrier hair
TomatoKigu: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving Very true…did CLA of a rubik's cube while watching this lol)
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Heh, yay!
DigitalSeahorse:
DigitalSeahorse:
RealGamerCow: If you like this kind of thing but don't want to destroy your things, check out ReStory, a game about a little electronics repair shop in Japan in the 90s.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Juliamon Doing that probably kept the whole thing working better from the basic attention.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: The company has no drive to allow the disabling of unneeded subsystems]
e_bloc: its active plugger/inactive plugger
Anubis169: and a partriridge in a pear tree~~
LoadingReadyRun: @RealGamerCow that game looks neat! Is it good?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @LoadingReadyRun I saw some showreels for the demo, it does look quite satisfying.
realbadatthis_: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving Not so fast. BMW toyed with the idea of your installed seat heaters having to go through a subscription service to function.
DigitalSeahorse: did firefox change full screen or did twitch? I'm not seeing my firefox menu bars but it's only here so far that I know of that that's happened
e_bloc: @realbadatthis_ see this is why we need russian hackers
RealGamerCow: @LoadingReadyRun I loved it. You start with very simple stuff like tamagotchis, then work your way up through ataris, then xbox, Nokia cell phones, PS1s, and eventually laptops and more complex phones
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @realbadatthis_ This is one of the reasons I'm smug about hacking the shit out of my stuff.
Cptasparagus: Nooooo you dont use kimwipes on microscope lenses
Anubis169: zeiss?
Cptasparagus: theres lens paper for that
Manae: They also won't leave behind fibers
Phailhammer: I usually just use HAMPAD.
Cptasparagus: (I work with confocal microscopes that cost a million dollar regularly)
DigitalSeahorse: must be firefox, now that I check other sites
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Cptasparagus D:
DigitalSeahorse: unsure if I like or not, I'm used to not hovering over menus to see them and dislike when my phone expects me to know where to "hover" touch my screen
realbadatthis_: @e_bloc A Garage hacker also provided people with proof their Tesla black boxes kept records after crashes and would drop out of "self driving" mode to legally blame drivers for error state caused accidents for a class action lawsuit.
DigitalSeahorse: *shakes fist at the push toward mobile with everything*
MWGNZ:
RealGamerCow: Serge just said "Oh no am I backseating like chat?"
e_bloc: Serge wishes he could backseat like chat
ErynTzun: As a wise puppet once said, do or do not, there is no try.
e_bloc: petition to stop saying 'recepticle hole'
Juliamon: FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving Yeah, I always gave it a good dusting while I was in there, ultimately I gave up on it because of keyboard issues (even my local guy couldn't track down a replacement membrane that actually worked)
ErynTzun: @RealGamerCow I have that on my wish list, at some point i'll get to it >_>
LoadingReadyRun: @ErynTzun but also remember that only the sith speak in absolutes
e_bloc: @LoadingReadyRun isnt that an absolute
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Re-sticking stuff is when I like to give things a spritz with isopropanol to refresh the glue
LoadingReadyRun: @e_bloc good point
e_bloc: thats how the dark side gets you
LoadingReadyRun: some Sith mostly deal in absolutes
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Juliamon Fair. Laptop keyboards are inherently cursed.
62MGcobra: @e_bloc in the end isn't it about balance?
e_bloc: is balance not yet another absolute
62MGcobra: its a game of inches
Capt_clown: Why do I feel like this is gonna end up with LRR getting stuck with a DIY Camera Obscura
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: The sudden shift as things align can be startling but it's very satisfying
LoadingReadyRun: Warning: Your electronics are not "Finger Lickin' Good"
MacbethSeemsSus: @LoadingReadyRun They're finger lickin good. Once
Juliamon: Please, for the love of electronics, wash your fingers before licking them
LoadingReadyRun: @Juliamon that's what the licking is *for*
SnackPak_:
@LoadingReadyRun 
DeM0nFiRe: @Juliamon Ok, washed my fingers then licked the electronics
e_bloc: its what the licking is for has big job-job motivational poster energy
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Aww, Julia! They taste so sweet after using some traditional solder!
tehcrashxor: but what if you want that amazing flavor of the solder?
Capt_clown: Instruction unclear; Licked camera battery and blacked out...
LoadingReadyRun: it's probably for the best that they don't make Bubblegum flavored solder anymore
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I must admit, I have a lead ingot within arm's reach right now
DigitalSeahorse: time to look back at VOD?
Capt_clown: ooh lead ingot, the forbidden gum.
SnackPak_:
realbadatthis_: gotta get the shot
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MacbethSeemsSus: I assume Pistachio's on camera
ErynTzun: many enjoy tripod
MacbethSeemsSus: How do you know my uncle Bob?
DigitalSeahorse: Bob IS one of my uncles
Juliamon: Sitting tight? That's not right!
chaos5896:
DigitalSeahorse: sometimes it's better to fully go back steps than to struggle trying to skip
MacbethSeemsSus: He's going in here. And then he'll be here.
e_bloc: if you're going the wrong way, a u-turn will fix it
DigitalSeahorse: unless it's a non-uturn zone
e_bloc: @DigitalSeahorse well then you're just a horse that desperately needs to vomit
DigitalSeahorse: bweh
62MGcobra:
DigitalSeahorse:
pimiento: is casting zinc a cantrip?
e_bloc: @pimiento not sure but it does test your metal
MacbethSeemsSus: @pimiento I'm now picturing a blacksmith having to roll initiative whenever they work on a new tool
pimiento: i do not like it serge i am, i do not like the assembly of this cam
DigitalSeahorse: yup, sometimes it's best to go back full steps
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Oh! My cable came back!
MWGNZ: five hands is at least one more than ive got
e_bloc: I mean there are three of you
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Clyde, surely?
Capt_clown: Left turn Clyde!
pimiento:
DigitalSeahorse:
chaos5896:
MWGNZ: we havent obviously broken anything, and thats a win
GreyThey: I'd be so curious to know what Serge considers the most interesting (or unexpected) thing he learned this evening
UnknownFriday: Wait, is this camera going to provide High Denglervision?
e_bloc: and we've ruled out some fixes
lamina5432: still have james sitting there
Too_Many_Knives: hot shoe mimimimi
DeM0nFiRe: burnin down the avenue?
Karimsicle: Murderuh
e_bloc: murderer
e_bloc: that song goes hard
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @e_bloc Yeah
DeM0nFiRe: Which tour?
RustZenith: The World Tour
e_bloc: like jeff hardy and being banned from Canad
e_bloc: *Canada
MacbethSeemsSus: The hole is, in fact, made for you
doubleo21: The In Living Color Bit about Snow is brutal. The Wayans were not fans.
DigitalSeahorse:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: The US doesn't let violent criminals in, it just tolerates the locals and exports them to the rest of the world.
Juliamon: FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving Some are allowed in, if they have enough money
e_bloc: @FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving we actually do worse, we elect them to office
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @Juliamon Good point, well made.
lamina5432: get the head lamp out?
e_bloc: !clip
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LoadingReadyRun: screw the flash hole
realbadatthis_: pretty sure flashing hole is against tos
DigitalSeahorse:
@LoadingReadyRun
e_bloc: screw the flash hole is one typo away from disaster
Deyna_Taggerung: Try flash hole and then, praise the sun.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I can't really say much, given that the weird entity that is the Corporation of the City of London is a legally priveleged hub for global money laundering . . .
MWGNZ: fingerprint check?
7gorobei: so the lesson i have taken from this endeavor is: get a panasonic box camera and avoid this hassle
Juliamon: the real lesson is "fuck Sony"
e_bloc: I always suspected Ian had a screw loose
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: @7gorobei Not far renough - you want pinhole.
Nigouki: never know when you need clean audio effects like that :V
GhostValv: that's so satisfying to hear
DigitalSeahorse:
DeM0nFiRe: It looks like a camera again!
e_bloc: top to bottom, dust to dust
chrono2x:
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Laft hand down a bvit.
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: </navylark>
pimiento:
MWGNZ: will still work as a prop
MacbethSeemsSus: Congratulations, you have a zoetrope!
MWGNZ:
@LordZarano
pimiento: handy!
shushu2539:
DeM0nFiRe:
iarethel0ser:
thebuzzstreams: better for the camera, not for the content
Anubis169:
pimiento: let's be honest, there may be a next time so.. still useful
chaos5896:
TomatoKigu: I mean if it doesn't work we'll get an episode 2? Service manual would be good for that?
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I'm actually reasonably confident that this will be an improvement
MWGNZ: 2 != 3
adept_nekomancer: Off by some uncountable number
TomatoKigu: Did we get a leftover screw?
e_bloc: there are four holes
TheAinMAP:
Strebenherz: wooo!
Cptasparagus: you have to eat the leftover screws to hide the evidence
DigitalSeahorse:
Nigouki: what about left under (the table)?
SnackPak_: a successful reassembly
MacbethSeemsSus: It's not a correct reassembly if you don't have leftover pieces
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Photogrammetry!
adept_nekomancer: Screws use repair projects as part of their natural reproductive cycle; that's why you end up with extras when you finish.
MWGNZ: model everything up in CAD
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Oh, Sergy. My sweet, summer child.
chrono2x:
TheAinMAP: Almost sounds like ... hubris?
Nigouki: so you were thinking more of webcam difficulty?
SarkhanGluedBackTogether:
if everyone correctly estimated the complexity of tasks, they'd never start anything
Bearudite: no soldering only like an 8
Veshnikard: it was more complex than you thought possible
DigitalSeahorse: off by one...?
realbadatthis_: scrum master under estimating the difficulty of a sprint. tale as old as time
TomatoKigu: Anything wihtout mechanical linkages and clockwork mechanisms can't go higher than an 8.
Mai_Andra: No math before 11 (pm)
UnknownFriday: @Bearudite I was going to say they didn't have to break out the heat gun to loosen some glue so it's an 8.
Juliamon: also he apparently wasn't here for the arcade work
Juliamon: with Alex holding the emergency plank
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: My next door neighbour rebuilds clocks as a retirement hobby. He's a pretty hardcore engineer.
ballesta25: You thought it would be a 5/10, but you misjudged the scale and it was about an 18 on what you'd thought was the scale?
Mai_Andra: Serge says your Grandpa is a 10.
protojman: things you can say to your screw but not your partner?
pimiento: it sure looks like a camera again
SnackPak_: fingers crossed
chaos5896: moment of truth
MWGNZ: come on not a smoke machine
GhostValv:
7gorobei: pixies at the ready to escape
pimiento:
DigitalSeahorse:
Strebenherz: IT OPENED!
RockPusher: At least it's different
Nigouki: does the screen say any errors?
TheNerdWonder: is this a better or worse outcome?
adept_nekomancer: We've fixed a problem and obtained a new, more different problem
MacbethSeemsSus: A thing occured
e_bloc: licesnse expired
MWGNZ: well we solved the "wont open" problem
Strebenherz: "Please subscribe to sony for shutter closing privileges"
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: It doesn't matter as long as the camera is happy with the open dust cover
pimiento: issue resolved, close ticket
thebuzzstreams: So, remember when we said that we've never made things worse on this program and then we were corrected? New example of such!
Too_Many_Knives: @pimiento New issue, new ticket
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gibbousm: I blame the gremlins
Nigouki: the important part is for it to not show any errors
DigitalSeahorse:
RockPusher: Good Enough‽
DigitalSeahorse:
UnknownFriday: Surely, it being stuck open is a better problem than it being stuck closed.
LordZarano:
Earthenone: not just good, good enough?
7gorobei: problem solved, move on to James' a6000 repair
saintguard:
SnackPak_: is this working?
Nigouki: SUCCESS
MacbethSeemsSus: Take a pic?
TheAinMAP:
RockPusher:
ForOhForError: huuuh
SnackPak_: lets go Ian!!!
shushu2539:
e_bloc: the best to ever do it
DoctorHutch: guess who cares if the shutter doesnt close, just dont leave it in the sun
GhostValv:
Anubis169:
MWGNZ: it works, just gotta be rea careful about dust
lamina5432: mostly fixed
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: A working camera that needs the lens dust cover is way better than a non-working camers
gibbousm:
phoenixfeather14:
lrrBartleby lrrBartleby lrrBartleby 
serramarkov: Huzzah!
thebuzzstreams: it looks like success! Is it success? IDK, but it looks like it!
62MGcobra: "working" as intended
adept_nekomancer: It's a Regular Crispy Day (observed) miracle!
TomatoKigu:
As long as you keep a lens or a cap on it, the stuck/non-closing shutter won't hamper it for video at least. 
Strebenherz:
Quick Ian, now for your $200 invoice 
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Too_Many_Knives: Fixed! In one episode!
Juliamon: You accidentally modded it in an ideal way!
DoctorHutch:
protojman: does that mean that part might have shifted again?
DrakoniteDev: shutter is only needed for still frames, sooo...
SnackPak_: love to see a TTSF win
Too_Many_Knives: @Juliamon Astrophotography mode achieved
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: I suspect Ian would accept some beers and weed with company . . .
GrathXVI: Time for Ian to add another specialty to his resume
e_bloc:
250
Nigouki: I'm just happy you don't have to go back in because one of the ribbon cables is loose
Cptasparagus: Please use lens paper to clean the lens in the future, or at least a wet kimwipe. Dry ones can scratch it still.
e_bloc: the curtain jerker
pimiento:
Nigouki: the "warranty" is you bring it back for another episode
RockPusher: Serge is a SME now too!
rosesmcgee: I love this show
ContingentCat: He seemed to think it was the same problem, whether he's right
DrakoniteDev: curtain shutter is still used for still frames, especially when faster than 1/600
MWGNZ: bookmark that service manual
MacbethSeemsSus: Concerningly successful
DeM0nFiRe: Ian was pilot flying, Serge was pilot monitoring
DigitalSeahorse: that was super interesting
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Actually, yes. I'm sure IFixit would link this
serramarkov: Congratulations!
7gorobei: cue the glados aperture science song
Anubis169: !patreon
protojman: gg!
TomatoKigu:
I hope Serge will return as a future guest on TTSF 
ErynTzun:
ArdCollider: o7
IanAllenBird:
IanAllenBird: Lol
phoenixfeather14: lrrSHINE
ContingentCat:
Anubis169: !schedule
Strebenherz: Did they mention Beej being around earlier?
RockPusher: Oh yeah, the exploded views in that service manual are very nice
Juliamon: Very good episode
TheAinMAP: !next
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lamina5432: prereleasing tomorrow
IanAllenBird:
DrakoniteDev: curtain shutters are under extreme stress during use so are usually the failure point on DSLRs
Anubis169:
Bless you!
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: You should play a conkers tournament for Live. *nods*
Earthenone: !box
LRRbot: In the box is: THE PLANK
MacbethSeemsSus: An amuse bouche of Jack?
shushu2539: !yay
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Too_Many_Knives: Thing did
TheAinMAP:
DeM0nFiRe: nice
Nigouki: Thanks for the show!
FuzzRaTheBarelyLiving: Result!
Anubis169:
Thank yooooooou
lamina5432: gnight
DeM0nFiRe:
o/
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
phoenixfeather14: lrrSHINE lrrSHINE lrrSHINE
Anubis169:
Night night chat, thank you for being awesome!
TomatoKigu: …now what
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