mahpete_: !next
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lilyoswald: I think people underestimate how much doing this for even 1 week would benefit some people.
ritchards: Adam is dead? Nooooooo!
TehAmelie: the idea is to train yourself to be a badass gunfighter so you can always kill them after they miss the first shot, right? so the question is if you want to kill a person a day for 1000 dollars
Radyin: !next
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Syphilicious: but what if the person shooting at you also pushed the button, so your first shot back also misses?
TehAmelie: then you're boned
DoctorOfBeard: title drop
Mysticman89: Just spend the rest of your time by the button guarding would be pushers.
lilyoswald: Basically once a day you have a gladiator death match gun fight. I bet this is televised, if we are going full hunger games with this
postmodernpajamawrestler: "lets just bandage up these bullet wounds so I can gracefully run off the balcony!"
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Almost_Alaska: Three years? Really? Man, time passes.
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Diabore: find a frag?
Pteraspidomorphi: Hey, this is still ongoing? What happened to the weekly maintenance?
pimiento: we're on the test server so.. not so much?
Pteraspidomorphi: Oh, I see
lilyoswald: played pubg IRL?
ZealousCrow: I love the way the pan has a dedicated inventory slot because there's no other useful melee weapon.
wildpeaks: he left a bodybag :D
pimiento: wow.
postmodernpajamawrestler: Adam "The Simpsons reference" Savidan
pimiento: oh he was kitted as well
Diabore: 4 stack even
eric_christian_berg: lrrAWW
xantos69: Thanks for playing sir!
pimiento: thanks for streamb!
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
postmodernpajamawrestler: lrrDOTS lrrCIRCLE lrrARROW
Orgmastron: Reading? DansGame
Pteraspidomorphi: I'm not missing that for anything
Mox_Hagdorm: Firsxt or second Amnesia?
postmodernpajamawrestler: playing horror games with someone else sounds like lots of fun
wildpeaks: looked like the first
darthcoercis: "Amnesia" and "fun" don't belong in the same sentence.
Mox_Hagdorm: Nice
Mox_Hagdorm: lol
Mysticman89: Still haven't encountered a game that was able to impact me in a horro sense as much as amnesia
darthcoercis: PT scared 12 colours of sh@# out of me.
wildpeaks: I do worry a little that streaming it kinda lessens the atmosphere
gualdhar: !next
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wildpeaks: for example, the beginning is a bit of a slow build-up and I recall last time lrr streamed it they were more trying to head face-first into the monster instead of trying to avoid it
I_Am_Clockwork: Amnesia was important as a horor game to me because it was the first horor game I played that didn't have any way to shoot at the monster
wildpeaks: so, fingers crossed that it will work out :)
Mysticman89: perhaps, but their other horror games experiences seem to indicate they'll probably react plenty even with a diminished atmosphere
I_Am_Clockwork: that actually made me feel like I was being hunted as I stumbled through an unfamiliar sometimes alien environment
Mysticman89: I definitely lean towards pyschological horror stuff over 'shooty' horror which usually does nothing for me
Mysticman89: I mean, they can be good action games, but I'm not scared
Juliamon: Ben and Adam tend to be a little more methodical than Alex when it comes to exploring a horror game, so it might work better this time
Contiguouskittycat: !next
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Juliamon: (I think it's a side-effect of Alex being jaded by horror tropes and wanting to find the Good Stuff instead of slogging through the predictable)
RomanianMyEscutcheon: !next
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InadvisablyTwee: Coir of course being an evil clone of Cori
wildpeaks: of course
Tantusar: SIG
Mysticman89: oh I thought it was actually a typo of choir and they'd being singing about stuff.
DoctorOfBeard: lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL
wildpeaks: NAL
TStodden: lrrDOTS lrrSIGNAL lrrARROW lrrCREEPL lrrCREEPR
chickenace11: why does it say Mine o clock for me?
TStodden: Timed my dinner order just right.
wildpeaks: reload the page ?
Juliamon: Have you refreshed lately?
chickenace11: it's all better now
WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: i'm out, bye folks, GLHF
TheAinMAP: katesAir
CloudSwordTwitch: New intro?
wildpeaks: hello darkness ?
solahwin_tampramain: katesAir katesAir katesAir katesAir
Foxmar320: Hello Cam and Cori\
solahwin_tampramain: New intro!
Mivair: hello
Gekyouryuu: new intro? por qua?
notBrunoAgain: Hey Cam
mtvcdm: Hello!
CloudSwordTwitch: Space Wizard chores!
chickenace11: I belive you mean Coir, Cam
Orchestrion: Destiny 2 requires as little and as much as you're willing to give
gawag_: I have a question chat. Wouldn’t a game that simulates talking be something like a dating game? This stream is Now Kiss confirmed
shamblingkrenshar: Nothing wrong with a turn your brain off and relax game, especially when you really just need to have a nominal amount of thinking to cool down.
mercano82: New intro, same backdrop. It still has a Wii U in it.
postmodernpajamawrestler: #BOLD
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RomanianMyEscutcheon: What if you had a wizard... but you gave them a spaceship... and a GUN? unarmeHmm
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wildpeaks: space wizards wants to be taken seriously
postmodernpajamawrestler: You can view the HALO universe but only from the view of a pelican with strange 90's rock playing
gualdhar: and some of us live in MURICA and don't know how to read
CastleOtranto: My English major soul is SO catered to right now
postmodernpajamawrestler: aww
chickenace11: I should tell my English Major friend
Mysticman89: this is cam capitalising on his first degree
TheMoatman: Wow that *is* a Flannery O'Connor story
postmodernpajamawrestler: It's true!
CastleOtranto: I just want three hours of Cameron talking about Flannery O'Connor
wildpeaks: typical brain
postmodernpajamawrestler: get owned Cam's old classmate
TheMoatman: Yeah I started liking lit analysis a *lot* more once I stopped having those teachers
ReydienOnline: blue wallpaper represent the fact that the student has been instructed "find seven allegories in this 20-line poem"
TehAmelie: Depression Comics shows all depressed characters having a little wrinkle under one eye. that works pretty well i think
chickenace11: This is like looking at a character from a show and seeing meaning in how that character is dressed
Rhynerd: I need to reread that short story.
TriggerHappy2Pi: how do you spell that name
Gekyouryuu: nabokov
Mysticman89: sometimes I feel like the original authors read peoples analysis of their work and are "what? No it was totally random where do people get these ideas?!?"
wildpeaks: Nabokov
TriggerHappy2Pi: nvm is first autofill
wildpeaks: the loujine defense is pretty sweet too
Mysticman89: "...I mean, yes of course, I totally intended that I'm a literary genuis"
Orchestrion: oh noo
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Herbert_Erpaderp: I love it when Cam reads
RomanianMyEscutcheon: I used to think death of the author was a crock of shit, because the beliefs and thought processes of an author can't help but have an inexorable influence on their work. And then J.K. Rowling happened.
mtvcdm: I Am The Walrus was birthed on one of these kind of studies. John Lennon got a letter saying some student's teacher was assigning them to analyze Beatles songs, so Lennon wrote something deliberately without meaning.
postmodernpajamawrestler: Wow writers are wild
darthcoercis: does anyone know what the box under the lazav deck box in the background is?
ArkhamArchivist: Rise of the Eldrazi Fat Pack?
iSmartMan1: Scientology!
postmodernpajamawrestler: We could make a religion out of this
CloudSwordTwitch: No, don't
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darthcoercis: @ArkhamArchivist aaaaah, thank you.
postmodernpajamawrestler: anything that evokes an emotional response
postmodernpajamawrestler: anything
APrioriOfNothing: It's a relationship between a object and subject
e_bloc: cheer400 this is a great stream already and I can't think of two people I'd rather watch talk about it than you two.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @postmodernpajamawrestler Let me tell you about Thetons and how they're holding you back from your true potential!
mtvcdm: Sometimes you set out to make one kind of art and end up with a completely different kind of art. I feel The Streamer Is Online wound up like that.
mtvcdm: Paul was expecting conversations in The Streamer Is Online, but ended up sitting in silence with a procession of chat members for three hours.
iSmartMan1: Let the head-clicking begin!
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Click on heads for N A R R A T I V E.
TacitusVigil: Eyes up, Guardians.
postmodernpajamawrestler: To play video games for a living
e_bloc: I've got a degree in books - great
postmodernpajamawrestler: Seems like a sweet deal
Foxmar320: Servers are fine now Cam
quentastic: I think we are onbored
Luminaire_p: lrrFINE
Alness49: Can we really be pretentious when the game is called "Destiny"?
TriggerHappy2Pi: What does that mean?
ZealousCrow: grats!
RomanianMyEscutcheon: benginDab2 benginDab2 benginDab2
planeswalkagogo: Cameron: speaking of an Undergrad Degree in Books, I have a public reading assignment coming up. Do you have any recommendations for things to read?
Riandisa: Congrats!
NotZhou: DAB POGGERS
Orchestrion: also undead
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @TriggerHappy2Pi Titles can be earned by players, but they typically involve a huge amount of work accomplishing certain milestones in-game.
flyingshpeeghetti: @LoadingReadyRun will you guys be at GP Vancouver?
postmodernpajamawrestler: also warhammer
wildpeaks: "Flatten"
e_bloc: lady robot clap clap clap clap clap
RomanianMyEscutcheon: benginCry benginCry benginCry MY BOY
Maddrius: ah, the opening trailer
Despoiler98: OH NO CADE lrrAWW lrrAWW lrrAWW lrrAWW
Contiguouskittycat: *Wipes tear* Cayde.
azureHaights: AG-4-Theta, designation F15-T
RomanianMyEscutcheon: GIVE ME BACK MY BOY, BUNGIE
NotZhou: CAYDE FeelsBadMan
Rhynerd: I may not be willing to play Destiny ever again but I do still enjoy the Titan punch
aesir_blade: On the subject of reading too deeply into things, have you read UNSONG, cam?
Despoiler98: *cries in Cade* slytqShock slytqRIP
RomanianMyEscutcheon: I forgot that they just have their Ghosts out and doing stuff while they're hanging out in the Tower, that's a nice touch I wish they did more.
Maddrius: this scene reminded me heavily of a similar scene in Serenity
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Also; curse the Vanguard for finding perfect shaders for their Ghosts.
TacitusVigil: If only we had space ships to have constant patrols to keep something like this from happening. Oh well.
Orchestrion: ah yes, Cabal pollution barges
postmodernpajamawrestler: what was Cayde even shooting at?
notBrunoAgain: I love the detail of Cayde's ghost poking up and Cayde being "no, no, get behind cover"
TacitusVigil: The Cabal ships. Cayde is ambitious.
ArkhamArchivist: I miss TWoP
ZealousCrow: omg
e_bloc: damnit Jacob
mtvcdm: I remember TWoP. I cut my foruming teeth there.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Hey, remember when we only had to worry about a bunch of Space Rhinos trying to steal our superpowers? Good times.
omdorastrix: Even that quick intro gives you a good intro in to the Vanguard's personalities. Ikora is analytical, Zavala is strategic, Cayde is a goof...
mtvcdm: Miss Alli was so good as a reality-show recapper.
e_bloc: fun fact: this Jacob grew up to be Jacob Burgess
e_bloc: (not a fact)
tim19862: hah
SnowToad: Hey Cam I just used Culture's 3rd book Use of Weapons! IT'S SO SMARTTTTTTTT! I've seen scifi used to explore and navigate many complex topics but Use of Weapons was entirely based on the reader's reaction to their limited perspective of good and bad and shows that both good and bad characters can have similar traits. I believe the second reading of Use of Weapons will be a lot better once you have all the information!
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Still annoys me to no end that player EXOs aren't anywhere near as emotive as Cayde.
mtvcdm: The co-founders of TWoP have a follow-up site, Previously.TV, which these days is mostly podcasts.
postmodernpajamawrestler: you
postmodernpajamawrestler: you're lil guy*
SnowToad: READ** not used lol
lilyoswald: I love use of weapons
SnowToad: @lilyoswald so good right!
Orchestrion: I guess Zavala just has racks of origin stories to hand out to people
ZealousCrow: I really need to read Use of Weapons soon. I enjoyed the first two books, but UoW is kind of hard to follow as an audiobook so I'm gonna have to sit down and read it on a weekend.
notBrunoAgain: Destiny 2 is very bad at onboarding players who didn't play the first game
lilyoswald: @SnowToad have you read player of games?
Luminaire_p: and he STOLE MY SWORD
Darleysam: lord snaxx <3
notBrunoAgain: Shaxx is a precious cinnamon roll ful of beef
TacitusVigil: "I found a note from Eris. It just says 'You suck, you still owe me a new ship."
postmodernpajamawrestler: is it weird to have an armory that has a door on multiple ends of the room but the racks only face you
omdorastrix: I love it when they give you a window onto the next big encounter...
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Hmmmm... I dunno, it does a good job introducing the Vanguard, and it gets across the sense of "You are a powerful space wizard, go kill space rhinos."
SirBiffaloEsq: A meatloaf?
postmodernpajamawrestler: also yeah warhammer bois
wildpeaks: harmless space monsters
Contiguouskittycat: Shax is a Colache!
MalBeam: a beef wellington
RomanianMyEscutcheon: But it's true that it buries A LOT of the prior lore.
Alness49: A beeg wellington
AGiantRoach: space monsters? in my tower? it's more likely than you think!
GreatGoogley: sorry what was that called again
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Like Crota, Oryx, SIVA, everything from House of Wolves...
Orchestrion: rouladen
RomanGoro: So, one thing I've never got from the Destiny lore: why do all the monsters have names taken from grecorroman myths or titles?
Contiguouskittycat: Cayde is Curry Bread.
GreatGoogley: thanks
TehAmelie: that does sound like a cinnamon roll of me<t
wildpeaks: Super. Charged.
TehAmelie: meat
Contiguouskittycat: He's a SPICY Boi
mtvcdm: i only really know beef wellington from an assortment of Gordon Ramsay rants.
SnowToad: @ZealousCrow It's the genius of Use of Weapons which it's intentionally hard to follow, because like I said they give limited fragments of characters which lead you into drawing conclusions of the characters. Expanding into larger life, in real life you're only really given limited information based on anyone from your perspective and someone you might consider a terrible human being might be a good person from another person's perspective.
TacitusVigil: It also conveniently disposes of the old hub space from the last game.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @RomanGoro Because Bungie REALLY likes those naming conventions; you can see a bit of that even in Halo.
wildpeaks: aw, that space monster looked cute
Laserbeaks_Fury: Vex are from Venus, Cabal are from Mars :)
Rhynerd: Martians in that they set up a Base Camp on Mars
omdorastrix: Technically isn't your character from mars??
omdorastrix: "originally"
Orchestrion: I kinda love the way cabal ships just chug coal
postmodernpajamawrestler: RIP Red jax
RomanGoro: @RomanianMyEscutcheon is there an in-universe reason?
Officinalis: Speaking of Mars, I just read The Other Foot today.
NotZhou: nostalgia POGGERS
quentastic: I like how the main three character's (minus protagonist) have classes that arn't paired with races that would be stereotypicaly races that aren't stereotypicaly chosen for that class (e.g. instead of titan/robot its titan/Awoken)
SnowToad: @ZealousCrow The real read of Use of Weapons is the second reading when you see all the little details sprinkled all over the book which you wont understand the first reading like "why the fuck are we in this random chapter" but once you fully understand everything itll make sense.
omdorastrix: It got the clamps
wildpeaks: space opera vista
asthanius: The Traveler is a "who"?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @RomanGoro Nothing explicitly stated, but it's entirely possible that a lot of those names are human nomenclature that's been forced onto these alien races, and they're too busy killing us to correct us.
lemmel: Now Im just imagining space tow trucks
Orchestrion: "you have no chance to survive make your time" -Cabal
ArkhamArchivist: Well, other than a brief Cayde
omdorastrix: Interesting choice to introduce the other players at this point
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Like, the Cabal, Hive, and Taken actually use those names, but we don't know what the Vex call themselves, and the Fallen are actually an alien race called the Eliksni.
Laserbeaks_Fury: This area is also where the players spent their time in the Tower
SnowToad: Cam! Stellaris new expansion came out! are you going to play it?
Laserbeaks_Fury: So this is our old scoical hub, in ruins
notBrunoAgain: There's a slight distinction between Fallen and Elisni
notBrunoAgain: In that The Elikisni are the *species*
RomanGoro: RomanianMyEscutcheon Ah, that makes sense, I thought it was a name they gave themselves
Orchestrion: IT WORKS lol
notBrunoAgain: While the Fallen are the *society* of eliksni that came to the solar system chasing the traveller
Alness49: I also like how you're not told what's happening with multiplayer, they are just here when they're needed.
SnowToad: Really destiny needs samurai swords...
Luminaire_p: CHOO CHOO
SnowToad: SAMURAI SWORD GUNS!
Foxmar320: Also seeing are vaults destroyed :(
TacitusVigil: Well, except for Eververse burning. That's ok. lrrBEEJ
MillerDark: @SnowToad That's warframe
TriggerHappy2Pi: What do you like about Destiny 2? I was never able to really get into it just felt too repetitive and I never found the story interesting. My friend really likes it so I really want to enjoy it but I just feel like I can't.
Aarek: or something like Teldrasill?
Orchestrion: RIP
SnowToad: @MillerDark Yeah youre right
Vyous: Or if you saw Darnassus on fire?
JeracotIII: Ummm Iron forge is kinda on fire all the time?
postmodernpajamawrestler: "If you would like to reclaim your giant magical sentient orb, please pay a small fine of 10 Quintillion Glimmer and 1 Quadrillion Silver"
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Teldrassil isn't a bad comparison, except the Red Legion intentionally set out to murder the civilians, and Ghaul actually managed to keep what he wanted.
TacitusVigil: Also, without the threat of death, Guardians get sloppy.
JeracotIII: it's a forge
RomanianMyEscutcheon: So he's a more competent military strategist than Sylvanas. benginDab
Spacecarl: I think its a joke about the lava in IF
ZealousCrow: Iron forge is IN A VOLCANO
quentastic: I have two Culture novels to go. Which should I finish on: Use of Weapons and Look to Windward?
Rhynerd: Get your leg blown off in combat? Don't worry, your ghost will fix that.
postmodernpajamawrestler: poor bot : (
Laserbeaks_Fury: We lost Swiffer technology in the Collapse
quentastic: *or Look to Windward
SnowToad: @quentastic I dont know I'm just reading them in the order they released.
Rhynerd: Viscera Cleanup Detail: The Tower
dadilph: Use of Weapons is prolly the best of the series, so save it til last.
asthanius: Holliday is great
Orchestrion: maybe that's why the Tower is still rekt to this day
Alness49: She's in the zone
RomanianMyEscutcheon: It's worth noting Ikora spent her early Guardian career trucking fools in the Crucible before she became Warlock Vanguard; she will murder you to death.
SnowToad: @dadilph well thats unfortunate I was hoping that the rest of the series was as good as use of weapons and I was hoping for a read as good as the dune series.
postmodernpajamawrestler: for highly trained warhammer space people they sure do try and hover right towards you
wildpeaks: and immortal if we keep being revived in-universe if we get killed
RomanianMyEscutcheon: They're the Orks.
Orchestrion: in a sense you were the Taken War
Laserbeaks_Fury: You also get a sense of all the Vanguards personality through their Priorities: Cayde is actively looking for a path of attack, Zavala is busy in defense of the civilians, and Ikora is primarily concerned with the Traveller and the Speaker
ZealousCrow: Is destiny playable/enjoyable as a single player experience?
TacitusVigil: I guess it also subtly shows us that the Traveler *isn't* doing anything, in case you have no experience with it.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Also; the vaguely unsettling reverence and deification of the Traveler.
Orchestrion: @ZealousCrow I would say so
NotZhou: @ZealousCrow yes
TheMoatman: Which is also their class's priorities in general
quentastic: @dadilph I have heard that but I also heard that Windward is the most critical of the culture, so it might be a good thematic ending
ZealousCrow: Thanks.
omdorastrix: Holiday's line there also underscores the faith and spirtual component they invest in the traveller
Contiguouskittycat: I can't wait until we get to Hawthorne. I have....thoughts on Hawthorne.
asthanius: @omdorastrix Also the personification
postmodernpajamawrestler: Is it ok to kinda sorta spoil future plot points / lore?
Rhynerd: typically yes on Talking Sim
Alness49: So we're less space wizards and more space paladins, such as there us a difference
Laserbeaks_Fury: Oh this is a fully spoiler stream
TheMoatman: Here comes the beef train
wildpeaks: fruit fruit
wicker_knight: correction: HAD a shield
ArkhamArchivist: froot froot
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lord0rcus: Talking sim, still my favorite sim.
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TriggerHappy2Pi: Can we talk about destiny 1 and 2 in a 100% spoiled way?
postmodernpajamawrestler: Is there many instances of the vanguards squabbling after the light is lost? I don't recall the specifics
TacitusVigil: A coalition alien empire? Bungie's never done that. Kappa
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Alness49 The Space Wizard title is largely intended to be ironic, but I think it's more accurate than Space Paladin; reverence for the Traveler isn't universal, even among the Guardian community.
wicker_knight: well they are. If by "paid" you mean "allowed to continue living"
NotZhou: the post city escape scenes in the snow with the music is actually amazing PepeHands
postmodernpajamawrestler: Also yeah they remind me of brutes and Jackals
Eklinaar: The little aliens are the specialists in sniping and psychic powers? So, sectoids?
TacitusVigil: Fake Roman names is more a Romulan thing.
TacitusVigil: :P
RomanianMyEscutcheon: And when you start talking to the Awoken and the less-murdery Cabal, you start to get the sense that everyone who's not a direct beneficiary of the Traveler has a massive distrust for it.
notBrunoAgain: I figure the roman titles are a translation convention for the Cabal's own language
Rhynerd: sectoids are snipers?
TheMoatman: The desperate kind
RomanianMyEscutcheon: For good reason, in some cases.
ArgentumFlare: The faithful?
Orchestrion: they brain too small
quentastic: @TriggerHappy2Pi these are usually 'all spoilers allowed' streams
TacitusVigil: Obedient and following orders? "Slow down the guardian" And they obey orders, because of course they do?
postmodernpajamawrestler: why did anyone in the game fight guardians before a way to kill ghosts was developed?
Eklinaar: I'm sorry did you say Bill Nye?
quentastic: @TriggerHappy2Pi Hard to talkabout the game in an art way without doing that
Laserbeaks_Fury: He's the Traveller's Lorax
Orchestrion: Space Lorax
wicker_knight: @Eklinaar Bill Nighy
TacitusVigil: The pope holds the title of King of the Vatican I think.
wicker_knight: The main villain in the first Underworld
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @postmodernpajamawrestler Because if you can kill the immortal space wizard trying to shoot you to death for even a couple of seconds, that's a couple of seconds where you get to keep living.
TheAinMAP: Whoops.
Laserbeaks_Fury: and that one *really* good episode of Doctor Who
JeracotIII: and the Hitchhiker movie
TraceBullet: Bill Nighy the Not-Science Guy-he
TStodden: also Slartibartfast from HG2G
wildpeaks: ah, the futility of death
Mysticman89: Bill nye was last seen "saving the world"
Mysticman89: on netflix
Eklinaar: Now I want to see Bill Nye voiceovers for video games
Nigouki: more like Bill Nighy as in Davy Jones
TheMoatman: Hunters break the laws of physics
Orchestrion: slightly is an understatement
asthanius: First Person Platforming is punishable in several countries and at least one sovereign island nation
Darleysam: warlocks can just sort of... fall, slowly
TriggerHappy2Pi: Warlocks can teleport too
KeirenH: Unless you are new DOOM, which has great movement. or mirrors edge
wicker_knight: @postmodernpajamawrestler also if you can delay them you can sometimes get things you want. most Destiny 1 groups had something else they wanted and the Guardians were just in the way
Werdnae: Hunters don't get blink any more
postmodernpajamawrestler: @RomanianMyEscutcheon Yeah I suppose they've always been on the defense or trying to so something
omdorastrix: Hunter *vweoomp*
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Hunters are here to get shot and occasionally provide LOTS OF ORBS.
Darleysam: glide slowly to their death
wildpeaks: and they lived happily ever after
ImmoralEthicist: Hunters' double jump is... fine
postmodernpajamawrestler: flat out attacking the guardians is pretty new
BlindProphet32: Hunters played lots of ninja gaiden and decided, yes we can do this too, and who are you to tell them they cant
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Hi, Ghaul! We don't miss you, and your death was anticlimactic!
Gekyouryuu: that can't be good
DamnJP: "crime" well putted, as into, 1st person plataforming should be punished
TacitusVigil: "You're not brave. You've merely forgotten the fear of death." I love that line.
Contiguouskittycat: It's not usual that villains are French, but Gaul really sells it here.
TehAmelie: hmm would it be good with some basic 3rd person camera options for the navigation segments?
jadeworrior: hey man just cuz we race sparrows through active fire fights dosnt mean we are undisciplined :P
omdorastrix: What are your thoughts on the "Silent Protagonist" in D2?
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wildpeaks: space moths want our Light
swaggytaco: yeet
Orchestrion: big boots big shoulders
wicker_knight: @TehAmelie I remember when LRR did the Calus raid one of the things they did was switch to sword weapons in order to see in third person
Alness49: Gaul gets such a great arc in this game.
wicker_knight: for platforming segments
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Blade_Tiger You pick up a lot of what you need to know through context clues and the game cluing you in when necessary.
asthanius: ghost birb
TehAmelie: right, you have that option
azureHaights: Silent protag, dialogue wheel. Thought held.
postmodernpajamawrestler: a hawk?
Orchestrion: so many lore hints in this cutscene
TraceBullet: is this a james bond opening?
asthanius: The Life Stream?
postmodernpajamawrestler: glowy weapons that represent the classes
RomanianMyEscutcheon: No, technically it's the giant white orb in the sky trying to tell you how to make everything less bad.
Orchestrion: this was a vision right?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Louis is the best pilot we have!
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Too bad about the crippling addiction to Bird Speed.
wildpeaks: I'm guessing the cutscene also has more meaning if you played the first game
TacitusVigil: Louis cut that habit. They're doing better now.
wicker_knight: we're also shown drowned, unhappy faces to represent the tragedy, and the tetrahedrons above us immediately afterward to make them intimidating
TehAmelie: ooh, is it The Darkness Before the Light?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @wildpeaks No, the cutscene exclusively refers to plot elements discussed or hinted at in the course of the Destiny 2 campaign.
wildpeaks: ok, thanks
Orchestrion: there was a great reddit post a while ago about how Destiny is actually about the war between circles and triangles
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Yep yep!
asthanius: Wait, humanity was saved as a by-product of the Traveler saving itself?
TehAmelie: The Darkness Before the Big Bang if you want to make it secular
wicker_knight: I like how the game visually indicates you're being hurt, even though your healthbar doesn't change
BlindProphet32: @asthanius No.
wicker_knight: with the flashes
Rhynerd: Not exactly.
asthanius: hm
BlindProphet32: @asthanius Humanity was saved by the traveler protecting humanity by creating the guardians
Rhynerd: Apparently the Traveler did try and ditch when the Darkness came, I remember that much.
BlindProphet32: @asthanius THe travler saving itself, as it had done in the past, was just running and leaving behind those it uplifted
asthanius: My understanding was that guardians were the Traveler's way of combating the darkness
TheDarium: I think my favorite, most revealing quote about the traveler, is said by the speaker when Gaul is interrogating him.
wicker_knight: it's also the game's visual indication of damage
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @asthanius There's a lot we don't know about the end of the Traveler's war against the Darkness; all we know is that the Traveler sacrificed itself driving the Darkness off, and as a direct byproduct of that action, the Ghosts were created.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Then they started spreading throughout the Sol system, animating the dead as Guardians.
TriggerHappy2Pi: When you stand up too quickly and everything goes monochrome
asthanius: okay, I think I get it
Laserbeaks_Fury: One time after giving blood I started whiting out
Eklinaar: I haven't seen white from pain but I have literally passed out from pain
aesir_blade: I was skiing at age 9 and got hit by a snowboarder but only know as much because I was told after the fact
zerg539: I took a baseball bat to the back of the head and I saw white
postmodernpajamawrestler: Would this scene have been made better if they showed more imagery from the guardians being slaughtered?
azureHaights: When lightheadedness brings a bit of checkerboardy vision like a faint degaussing cycle
TriggerHappy2Pi: Can you die during this section?
wicker_knight: I think being alone is important
ZealousCrow: Yeah I slipped on ice once and saw a flash of green when the back of my head slammed against the ground.
NotZhou: OMG OMG THIS SCENE IN THE GAME IS THE BEST
NotZhou: THE MUSIC
Orchestrion: journey is playing!
RomanianMyEscutcheon: You can, but then it reverts to a checkpoint.
HesGotNoPants: I've never seen white but, I was abusing my anger once to move faster. after 20 minutes I saw red flow down into my field of vision
RedGriffin42: that's interesting as a relevant distinction
Lordofthelights: This music always causes chills to run up my spine
ArkhamArchivist: So here's a thought. While the light was suppressed, were any depowered Guardians converted by the Taken?
grandpa_anth: First time at this channel. This the first time you play D2?
wildpeaks: tunnel vision, brightness, losing gravity or random colorful geometric, sure, but going monochrome, can't say I ever had that one
Orchestrion: now just dead.
asthanius: @HesGotNoPants That sounds way more like a speedrun tactic than makes me comfortable
Primcrane7081: I never noticed the factions
TacitusVigil: The Demiurge of the Guardian
HesGotNoPants: @wildpeaks how do you lose gravvity
MalBeam: we have achieved our means of interaction
RomanianMyEscutcheon: The tone setting in this section of the game is some of the best writing in the game, even if it is a bit heavy-handed.
Rhynerd: "We put our faith in GUN"
wildpeaks: exhaustion ?
TriggerHappy2Pi: dont hurt doggo
RomanianMyEscutcheon: These are not real doggos; they are Lizard Kujos.
Darleysam: some of the best music in the game right here
HesGotNoPants: @asthanius I was larping, the rage made me faster and I ignored pain
postmodernpajamawrestler: Michael Salvatori did a great job in Martin O'donnels absence, which I thought would be a bigger impact
NotZhou: Best music ever
Officinalis: @TriggerHappy2Pi Cam will always defend himself against doggo...vigorously.
TacitusVigil: I love this soundtrack.
TriggerHappy2Pi: noooooo
grandpa_anth: Ok good talk
quentastic: So the Darkness is represented by triangles, and New Monarchy's symbol is a triangle. Is that significant or is that just coincidence?
niccus: can you... interact with the bird
asthanius: @HesGotNoPants Adrenaline is weird
Orchestrion: we
TehAmelie: you can have monochrome vision any time, just reduce your fov to a pinprick. like, take goggles and cover them in tape and make a hole for each eye with a needle
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @quentastic Coincidence.
Orchestrion: we've been walking for a whole week
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Having said that, they are by far the worst faction, and Hideo is absolutely kind of a shithead.
Officinalis: It shivers.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: lrrAWW
Gekyouryuu: OH! Cam and Cori, off topic: have you heard the news about Monster Hunter World a) getting a Witcher 3 collab, and b) getting its G rank expansion next fall in Iceborne?
Eklinaar: that ghost is drooping the way my 14 year old dog's eyes droop
HesGotNoPants: @asthanius my friend told me I was near an aneurism do not try
RomanianMyEscutcheon: BRB, killing Ghaul all over again.
ImmoralEthicist: I'd say it was very good at launch, then not very good, now good again
Orchestrion: and the fires
omdorastrix: stuffs on fire yo
wildpeaks: so, what is the orb ?
azureHaights: Come on and slam, and welcome to the gap
ArkhamArchivist: God @wildpeaks
Orchestrion: the transition in this gulch is amazing
lilyoswald: Is the game retroactively good? Like, am I going to have to suffer through a bunch of bad before I can get to the good, or is it good to start now?
wildpeaks: ah
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @wildpeaks That's Chappie. And by Chappie, I mean the Traveler.
Maddrius: color change, the visual key-change
notBrunoAgain: The one big mistake in this game is the story campaign being too long and not good at presenting the premise to people who didn't play D1
Orchestrion: @lilyoswald most of the changes that made the game good was applied to the whole game
Primcrane7081: I stopped just before the first DLC, how hard would it be to get back into the game?
asthanius: Down but not out
lilyoswald: @Orchestrion Thank you, I have been considering playing this with my wife, so this is important information for me
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @notBrunoAgain I'd disagree, because D1 isn't really relevant to the conceit of D2's campaign; D2's campaign is about killing Ghaul and taking the City back.
wildpeaks: you'd think that having become mortal again, we might rethink our old habits, but we keep shooting all the things
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Now when we start getting into Curse, Warmind, and Forsaken, then it absolutely becomes an issue.
omdorastrix: Forsaaken made things better (I stopped playing during osiris)
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Though Forsaken does a good enough giving you the Taken cliffnotes, IMO.
Foxmar320: Birb why!?
notBrunoAgain: It's an issue because the game gives you no introduction of this world or these characters, so you have little to no reason to care about them
omdorastrix: You almost made that jump
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Our greatest enemy; a cliff.
Luminaire_p: Birdtrayal again!
TraceBullet: liamCluck
EE_vP: Ah, yes, space magic.
KinoGami: he did make the jump
SpaghootiMonster: @LoadingReadyRun is this your first playthrough?
wildpeaks: bird might be tasty
Rhynerd: birb why
notBrunoAgain: It's not a problem of not understanding the plot, it's a problem of not relating to it
KinoGami: there is an invisible wall
Lightningbro: Would you believe I actually made that jump my first time? I was SO confused
Orchestrion: @lilyoswald the other big issue people had with the base game was not enough content, which the dlc also fixed
Rhynerd: !birb
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postmodernpajamawrestler: Look when times are tough and you're on your last leg you gotta take the tree bridge
wicker_knight: @SpaghootiMonster not even close, they're playing through the beginning to discuss it
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ritchards: Hawk!
wildpeaks: interesting
azureHaights: Pump-action RPG.
TehAmelie: pump-action missile launcher eh
Orchestrion: it would look weird if Hawthorn just one-arms you a rocket launcher
EnvoyOfGoats: !uptime
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RomanianMyEscutcheon: @notBrunoAgain Yeah, but if this campaign does its job, then it should give you a reason to care about what's happening, regardless of what happened in D1.
wicker_knight: and now we see a lot more of that deification of the Traveler
notBrunoAgain: I mean my point is it doesn't do that job
ArkhamArchivist: Ghaul sure is gaudy af
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Though your mileage may vary based on how well you think it does that job.
Tantusar: I mean, anything with your player character would have to be in-engine, right?
Laserbeaks_Fury: His necklace are all dead Ghosts
KeirenH: They presumably didn't want to go back and redo the animation to fit the rocket launcher properly
Nigouki: are these the Goombas from the live action Mario?
Luminaire_p: Ghaul taking on the trappings of the Emperor
notBrunoAgain: A lot of the emotional beats ring hollow because, without D1 context, it feels like it's not earning your reaction
TehAmelie: lots of white and gold highlights. maybe he just dresses to draw attention away from his face
quentastic: Will we be looking at Forsaken later as contrast to when the lore starts intersecting with the game? or something like that
postmodernpajamawrestler: tactical pump loading missile booster
ritchards: how do you evolve with an upper lip like that?
TriggerHappy2Pi: I love his teeth
TacitusVigil: We already see that Ghaul is not a cartoon villain. Doesn't beat down his lieutenant, shares the victory.
keymaster515: how are languages portrayed in game?
Nigouki: he is remarkably articulate for lacking a full set of lips
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @keymaster515 In cutscenes and relevant plot moments, everybody speaks English; in game, we get growled at in a wide variety of alien languages.
Alness49: This is a villian who has won and yet doesn't feel it.
wildpeaks: glados ?
postmodernpajamawrestler: That kind of praise is what is what gets you offed when you're not deemed useful
TheDarium: Spoilers: Ghaul does not get called emperor.
wicker_knight: it was part of the throne room package
SpaghootiMonster: what class are they playing
wicker_knight: titan
asthanius: It's nice to see the enemy portrayed as actually good from a certain point of view. From the POV of their own people, these are the good guys. They overthrew a despot, ffs.
Rhynerd: Always put a man-holder in your throne room.
the_canuck_mystic: How many G's of gravity should I experience at seeing this Speaker?
wildpeaks: so it's Snorsh, got it
SpaghootiMonster: hunter master race
ryuhimora: so my problem with that whole scene is that we have no frame of reference for either of them being not bad guys so it all comes off as being very bland
RomanianMyEscutcheon: God, it's been an eternity since I've been to the Farm.
wicker_knight: definitely the lieutenant doesn't
sivakrytos: so very star wars
postmodernpajamawrestler: they seem like the mongols?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @the_canuck_mystic Half a G, maybe a G tops. The Speaker doesn't really do much in D1 or D2 besides make vague allusions to plot elements.
postmodernpajamawrestler: space mongols
the_canuck_mystic: @RomanianMyEscutcheon ah.
Orchestrion: I like to imagine the Ghaul-Traveler relationship to be kinda like Gollum-Ring
azureHaights: N Grahams? There's no N in Graham's name
TacitusVigil: She was at the Iron Temple. We don't go there anymore because of...reasons.
postmodernpajamawrestler: like they don't build or harvest so much as just use resources that they pillage
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Though he does get one of the best moments in Vanilla D2 later on.
wildpeaks: such much on screen, kinda distracting from the story she's telling
ritchards: tip to toe, a rocket launcher
Laserbeaks_Fury: Hasn't the Traveller's thing always been go somewhere and make it different?
ryuhimora: so we know about this thing, but nobody but us is really looking for it? wouldn't we want more people on this mission?
TheDarium: Is it all right if I throw out my favorite speaker quote? It's slightly spoilerish.
postmodernpajamawrestler: Ten people is a lot when all you have in life is Birb
DamnJP: wasn't the traveler actually planned to be the villain all along in Destiny 1, but they didn't go through it
Luminaire_p: I miss jittery Louis. :(
Alness49: Lets serve some tea, and by tea i mean rockets and by serve i... just shoot them.
TacitusVigil: We brought Louis medicine as a gift for the Dawning last year.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @ryuhimora The idea of this early stage of the campaign is that everything's out of sorts; everyone's scattered or dead, and we're the only ones in a position to check out the Shard, following our vision.
Nigouki: who would have thunk that context is important for discussion
Tantusar: Especially when the topic is reading and lore.
Orchestrion: lol Cam has so much currency
NotZhou: how far into the campaign are you guys playing today?
Spacecarl: So I find it interesting that the old Traveler bit here is STILL smoking.
wildpeaks: yay new loot, gotta feed that endorphin loop
TheDarium: I love when he tells Ghaul "I said I speak for the Traveler, I never said it speaks to me." It says a lot about the man and the orb.
SpaghootiMonster: play some gambit lmao
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Laserbeaks_Fury The first time we meet the Traveler, it was terraforming Mars, and it's definitely done the same to a bunch of other planets in the system, so... maybe?
Ironfistofglee: how much simulated talking have i missed? i did not remember it was today
Orchestrion: something something Rasputin something
RomanianMyEscutcheon: This is the problem with not having anything explicitly stated about the traveler; we're just left with a bunch of rough guesses.
wildpeaks: that's certainly a lovely environment
RomanianMyEscutcheon: !updtime
RomanianMyEscutcheon: !uptime
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wicker_knight: Stay Awhile and Listen
Ironfistofglee: thanks
SpaghootiMonster: LUL
RomanianMyEscutcheon: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL
postmodernpajamawrestler: was this never investigated over the course of Destiny 1?
Tantusar: You just emancipated a perfectly innocent soccer ball. You monster.
auxv: fuutbaul
wicker_knight: @postmodernpajamawrestler wasn't important
postmodernpajamawrestler: The collapse isn't what just happened was it?
Spacecarl: Whats the collapse then?
azureHaights: Does the Definitely Illegal Clan come from the Questionably Illegal Guild
TehAmelie: that that soccer goal has holograms and fireworks built into it tells us a lot about this world. . .
TheRealSgtCrispy: Watched you stream D2 a few months ago and had to breakdown and grab it. Glad I did. So good.
Laserbeaks_Fury: I think the subclass missions unlock at specific levels?
wildpeaks: at least we seem to be taking well that we're mortal again
SpaghootiMonster: The collapse is briefly explained in the intro cutscene
TacitusVigil: Did you get the Lore Book yet Cameron?
LajnoGame: Can anyone help me, I just got then Midnight Coup, Should i use that insteed of breakneck? :S
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Ishtar Collective is great.
the_canuck_mystic: Why does a video game require lots of books, or even any books ?
Alness49: Will this be on the test?
SoldieroFortune: !uptime
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RomanianMyEscutcheon: Short version of the Collapse: The Traveler had a preternatural enemy called The Darkness, it chased the Traveler to Sol, then tried to kill it and us for associating with it.
wicker_knight: I think break and then do the cool thing would be a good call tbh
ryuhimora: so we're just letting this thing hang around and mess stuff up? Are not trying to contain it somehow?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: And since Humanity had no answer for the Darkness, everything - our colonies, our civilization, everything we had during the Golden Age - collapsed.
Orchestrion: skate!
postmodernpajamawrestler: Thats what I thought it was
RomanianMyEscutcheon: And now we're stuck rooting around in the remnants of our once great society, fighting off the remnants of the Darkness' forces and trying to rebuild.
SpaghootiMonster: titanskating wooooo
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Over the course of CENTURIES.
Orchestrion: as fast as a sparrow
TheMoatman: Didn't they fix that in D2?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: I have a swowrd and it is lit aflame, please let me light you aflame.
postmodernpajamawrestler: theres all that colonization stuff on the moon and venus in Destiny 1 from the golden age
aesir_blade: At least it's not Warframe PVP
Orchestrion: what's a couple genociding humanity between friends?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Bungie, please make me stop killing the Eliksni. Just let me and Variks adopt all these poor four-armed bug kids and teach them to not murder hooman.
ImmoralEthicist: @aesir_blade Is warframe PvP really bad?
aesir_blade: It's not bad per se but the skill ceiling is twenty miles high
aesir_blade: because of the parkouring that everyone can do
Maddrius: so, uplift drive-by's? (in a relative timeframe)
TheDarium: It was their ball first, damn it!
laozi3: so why does that put the fallen in conflict with us?
auxv: can i speak to your manager
aesir_blade: so nobody plays it because everyone's afraid of getting stomped on by the ninjas who do
ImmoralEthicist: AHh yeah, I could see that. I've only just started poking my head into Warframe
RomanianMyEscutcheon: It doesn't help that Warframe is bad in general. lrrBEEJ
aesir_blade: check out the lrr warframe group on the lrr discord
RomanianMyEscutcheon: (I kid, I kid.)
Ironfistofglee: gota click on heads
Ironfistofglee: and make problems go away
postmodernpajamawrestler: Thats how they getcha hooked
wildpeaks: "get shiny thing, shiny is good"
ImmoralEthicist: Yes, I *should* join the discord...
Maddrius: light-coin
dammitjoel: but how tho
Orchestrion: it's like Pokeballs for guns.
aesir_blade: Dodecahedrons
Laserbeaks_Fury: It's like a self exctracting .exe, but matter
Jokulhaup1234: Wait engrams are Pokeballs?
TraceBullet: so they're the punchcards from homestuck
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @laozi3 It's a combination of the Fallen hating us for the Traveler choosing to stay and fight for humanity, and some heavily implied corruption at the hands of the Darkness.
laozi3: thx!
postmodernpajamawrestler: Space bandits maybe?
TehAmelie: i THINK that violates relativity
MalBeam: space pirates whose dad went for a smoke and then they found him with a new kid
Rhynerd: Space Pirates with the strappings of nobility.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: In the current continuity, they are definitely more akin to Space Pirates.
aesir_blade: Lots of things in Destiny explicitly violate causality sooooo
TheDarium: @TehAmelie A lot of pre-collapse tech violates relativity.
TacitusVigil: So what we'll turn into if we're not careful (ie The Drifter) ;)
Officinalis: Humans have capes. Lord Shaxx has furs...or is the Lord Shaxx thing related to the Fallen?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Shaxx is a Titan, Titans like to stick random shit to their armor.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: And I say that as a Titan main.
notBrunoAgain: Cam I just want to let you know that I just got my first Kindled Orchid and it has kill clip, rampage, and reload speed masterwork on it
Gekyouryuu: Cam, just saw the final crapshot. excellent work
TheRealSgtCrispy: I didn't know you could to that! Nice
ZealousCrow: wow
Orchestrion: with friendly fire off too!
wicker_knight: lrrWOW lrrWOW
Foxmar320: lol
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Paracausality beats Physics in a Pokemon battle.
Rhynerd: Friendship!
Werdnae: If someone makes the physics objects behave like that, I will never not try to jump into it
wicker_knight: notably, even the friendly aliens
Rhynerd: Childish Murder Hobos
TehAmelie: the relationship between information and matter is fun. apparently someone proved that a black hole absorbing one bit of information increases its surface area by one square planck length.
Ironfistofglee: mathsquadMRDR mathsquadHOBO
Rhynerd: If you put into Light into a corpse, you make a childish murder hobo.
Orchestrion: in many senses we are children born into magical adult bodies
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Let's be clear; Mara Sov isn't friendly, she's "friendly."
postmodernpajamawrestler: If the point of the show is to take great interest in minor details, should the arc, solar, void subclasses be explained?
laozi3: kinda reminds me of a lot of 40k space marines. Being into the "war is glorious" thing often correlates with that
SpaghootiMonster: classic guardians
Tantusar: BECAUSE IT'S FUN CAM
wildpeaks: it's quite comical how the enemies bleed numbers when shot, not really feeling gravitas
wicker_knight: it occurs to me, if the Cabal are the 40K imperium, the Guardians are the 40K Dark Eldar
KinoGami: guardian hunter invented sparrow jousting
Foxmar320: we did just get fist bump and chest bump emotes today so its fitting
SirBiffaloEsq: Grape flavored superpowers!
CloudSwordTwitch: Deus Ex Traveler
TacitusVigil: I was telling others this theory that a significant part of the Last City's economy are probably businesses that dispose of old Guardian bodies. lrrBEEJ
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @laozi3 A lot of recent Destiny lore focuses on that dissonance between being entrusted with Humanity's defense, and murdering swaths of strange aliens in the name of a power we don't entirely understand.
TheDarium: The crust was not dumped willingly, if I recal.
BlindProphet32: Eyes up Guardian
postmodernpajamawrestler: Glowy thing = good
Lysander_Gustav: Lemon?
niccus: oh, ghaul gave the traveler eczema
TacitusVigil: Tang
Rhynerd: Would the Fallen be Craftworld Eldar then?
Laserbeaks_Fury: Soda, Purple Stuff, Sunny D
Tantusar: I don't want to drink 9V Battery juice.
Lysander_Gustav: The citrus is a good conductor
Orchestrion: grenade button
ryuhimora: so that was an exciting tiny chuck without our powers, but the game has to happen at some point, so... Back to normal already
Aarek: grenade butotn
omdorastrix: Go captain america that monster
chickenace11: nine volt battery is my favorite flavor of Fanta
blast__femur: just like cap!
TraceBullet: i wanted orange, it gave me lemon-lime
Lysander_Gustav: grenade button throws the sheild
auxv: blue raspberry
Werdnae: grenade is shield throw
Foxmar320: Grenade
TacitusVigil: Tang, "Grape," And Mountain Dew Voltage flavor
Lysander_Gustav: :D
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Ghaul grounded the Traveler.
AJ117: Grenade key
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Which is better than Rasputin, Rasputin shot the Traveler.
Orchestrion: Fun fact: shield throw is technically a grenade!
Officinalis: Cap'N Aguardia.
laozi3: @RomanianMyEscutcheon what I alluded too is pretty common, esp. in vidya games, I'm not familiar with Destiny at all but it's cool that it seems self aware/introspective about that sort of thing
postmodernpajamawrestler: To go on a hate fueled alien murder spree
aesir_blade: Rasputin shot the Traveler, but they didn't shoot the deputy
Ironfistofglee: Razputin? we're playing Psyconauts now?
Rhynerd: I forget, is knife throwing a grenade or a melee?
TheMoatman: I was under the impression it was going to but then The Collapse happened independently
Gekyouryuu: that cat really was gone
TheMoatman: Melee
Jay_Blanc: Little Bunny Guardian, running through the forrest, picking up the fallen, and bopping them on the head.
Jay_Blanc: And then the good fairy traveler came down and...
ryuhimora: So do they ever explain why only we get the light back? Can't other people come to get more?
mtvcdm: !break
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SpaghootiMonster: HUNTER PogChamp
Tantusar: Here? In this random-ass section of forest?
HesGotNoPants: he may have shot the sheriff but he didn't shoot the deputy
omdorastrix: The power was in you all along...
Aarek: osmosis
TheDarium: Traveler brought Change. this is uncontrolled change.
Lysander_Gustav: Storytelling is weird sometimes
postmodernpajamawrestler: No, powers are good bribe
wicker_knight: totally not important guardian
laozi3: do the chickens do the link to the past thing?
Tantusar: Questions are for other people to ask.
RedGriffin42: why is it dark?
chickenace11: Plot twist the traveler is just the giant hobo skeleton from where the water taste like win
wildpeaks: no one really seems to question much things in that universe it seems
chickenace11: *wine
aesir_blade: The characters don't mind because the Light they're filled with is self-evident that it's Light so clearly it's trustworthy, right?
Lysander_Gustav: varying types of grenades
TacitusVigil: It might be a little bit of a retcon? We saw Zavala using mobile arc in a commercial which is supposed to be pre-Red War I think?
ImmoralEthicist: Solar hunters are unchanged
SpaghootiMonster: Destiny 2 is very Deus Ex Machina. Everything can simply be explained as "The Traveler did it" @LoadingReadyRun
MalBeam: so is the shard of the traveler a demiurge to the traveler?
Rhynerd: did Hammer titan change much?
postmodernpajamawrestler: Solar titans also unchanged at first?
Tantusar: I only read one book / But it's a good book, don't you know
postmodernpajamawrestler: It got cool new stuff with one of the DLC
wildpeaks: superpowered immortal beings that see mowing through waves of living things as fun things from the boredom of immortality, no way that could possibly go wrong
postmodernpajamawrestler: iirc
SpaghootiMonster: Gun Slinger PogChamp
Lysander_Gustav: Though a few vorthos gamers are theorizing that some of the powers are older versions -- like when the risen first got their powers.
Aarek: Light can't be bad, *cough* Xera *cough*
notBrunoAgain: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/phoenix-protocol?highlight=phoenix+protocol relevant to the whole powers changing thing in D1 -> D2
FlyingUltraCar: many questions, left side
Ironfistofglee: so.... why do you fly all the way up to space... into hyperspace, only to come back to a diferent part of earth?
TehAmelie: heeh, pants
SpaghootiMonster: If you guys are interested in Destiny Lore I could not more highly recommend My Name is Byf
ryuhimora: @Ironfistofglee because it looks cool
postmodernpajamawrestler: Light can't be bad. *Plays new Smash*
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Aarek Xera, Yrel, maybe Jaina...
ArcOfTheConclave: the Lone Wolfs?
TehAmelie: anything is funny if it's a kind of pants, you know
DamnJP: aw man, hand canons were the shit
Rhynerd: Titans are the Builders, the Defenders, the Soldiers and the Smiths.
atinyspacemarine: heyooo
Orchestrion: hmm taken? portal
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Ironfistofglee Because I have a spaceship, your argument is invalid.
Rhynerd: And today's story is:
Maddrius: I love the ghosts reaction to the transportations
zed_alpha: A magical hole?
Tantusar: You awake to find yourself in a dark forest.
SpaghootiMonster: wait until forsaken lmao
TehAmelie: meat pants. . .portal pants. . .argument pants. . .
dammitjoel: I didn't ask
SpaghootiMonster: Hi Kingkarate1
ArcOfTheConclave: portal to ascendant realm?
notBrunoAgain: Ascendant portals are bad juju, is what they are
ryuhimora: how many unanswered questions are there just in this firs ~hour of game?
Lysander_Gustav: Okay yeah I am a bit curious about the ascendency portal
Orchestrion: so are we in an ascendant plane right now?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @ryuhimora We've still got unanswered questions from D1. lrrSPOOP
TheDarium: @ryuhimora This part is quite a bit past the first hour of the game.
postmodernpajamawrestler: :(
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Orchestrion: yeah but an ascendant plane generated by the Traveler can look like anything
TacitusVigil: So much to unpack there.
postmodernpajamawrestler: Thats a good bit about Exo lore
ImmoralEthicist: code for, "I didn't read it"
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Maddrius: Rasputin is one of the warminds, yes?
Rhynerd: Yes
ArcOfTheConclave: glitch?
postmodernpajamawrestler: poor planning?
Rhynerd: possibly the only Warmind?
Lysander_Gustav: It's always a cabal centurian no matter the class. I don't know why
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Rasputin is one of the Warminds, currently the only Warmind we know is still in existence after the Collapse.
TacitusVigil: Double hand cannons? How decadent. :D
Weagle: Rasputin is certainly the most notable Warmind
ThePlaysTheThing: based on the fallen and the dark venting from the shard is it reasonable to read the traveler as sinister?
Tantusar: Aw man, I hate it when there are Fallen in my story cave.
ryuhimora: That happened in my high school once, but for this girl it was code for "I hated it", and the teacher dragged her into a 25 minute discussion of everything she thought was bad, and at the end the teacher then said "I agree with all of that"
Rhynerd: Two Revolvers
RomanianMyEscutcheon: He likes long walks on the beach, old Russian literature, and scaring the bejesus out of Guardians.
Ironfistofglee: point and click adventure. just click on them and they go away
Rhynerd: Two Revolvers Cameron
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Cam, are your pants lucky?
Primcrane7081: What's the story behind Rasputin. I'm hearing a lot of stuff that i'm not familiar with?
Rhynerd: Rasputin is an Ai
Rhynerd: a Warmind AI.
wildpeaks: shiny waypoint
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Rhynerd: Warminds were made to coordinate massive armed conflicts
BlindProphet32: Rasputin is <3
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Primcrane7081 The Warminds were hyper powerful AIs built to protect Humanity during the Golden Age; Rasputin was specifically designed to anticipate unknown threats and develop countermeasures.
Rhynerd: and Rasputin is either the only one that exists or the only one that's left.
MalBeam: was it given the name or did it chose the name rasputin?
Lysander_Gustav: Is that the Stranger?
ryuhimora: GEE THANKS GHOST
Rhynerd: I assume Humanity gave the name.
ArcOfTheConclave: Ra Ra Rasputin! Russia's greatest love machine?
SpaghootiMonster: Ra Ra Rasputin
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Now he's the only one left, and he's... on a bit of a power trip about protecting Humanity from what's left of the Darkness, human oversight be damned.
Orchestrion: and that's when she soloed the Last Wish
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TacitusVigil: Baiting a Hunter at the urge of an Ahamkara bone
Rhynerd: Rasputing also loves Russian Opera, doesn't he?
Aarek: Captain Tight pants
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ChroniclerC: Yeah, Hunters are kind of dumb (in the best way)
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postmodernpajamawrestler: Castle was a big role
Laserbeaks_Fury: Yeah but Mal was 100% cowboy
MalBeam: "wild" stories
TacitusVigil: This was a big fan theory.
ChroniclerC: "Vanguard dare", Cam?
postmodernpajamawrestler: Much in the same way the color pie does in magic
Contiguouskittycat: I fell asleep, did we meet Hawthorne and if we did what did we say?
Rhynerd: We met Hawthorne
Rhynerd: we got the space magic
lilyoswald: as a complete outsider, these are compelling bits of information very well presented
emrafool: Picked up this game during black friday deals because i enjoyed your streams so much! the game is fantastic
Laserbeaks_Fury: It implies that being a particular class of Guardian isn't as much a mechanical thing as it is a fundamental aspect of the person themselves
ChroniclerC: So how is Cam enjoyng the best class? :P
screamingpeasant: you've spoken at length about audio logs. how is what we just saw different, is it different?
ryuhimora: we got "the light" from this thing emitting darkness
laozi3: I kinda dig the focus on what it means in-verse to be your class. It's like the tension between when you make a D&D character for mechanical reasons or wanting to embody a character concept
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @ChroniclerC He swapped off Titan a bit ago, actually. lrrBEEJ
azureHaights: Revolver Hunterlot
TacitusVigil: I thought that perhaps the Fallen were trying to commune with a piece of their old Great Machine...but it stays silent to them.
Laserbeaks_Fury: It's High Noon...
RomanianMyEscutcheon: This... is the greatest weapon ever made. A revolver made of FIRE.
Rhynerd: Now Cam has three revolvers
ryuhimora: revolver ocelot would marry that gun
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Ho ho ho.
Tantusar: Hmmm, bullseye enemies. I wonder what you do.
RomanGoro: I suppose they also put that fight before the subclass so you have a close recollection of how fighting was before so you know how cool the new power is
postmodernpajamawrestler: one with a slim crit spot when you
mtvcdm: "You killed that enemy. Kind of."
postmodernpajamawrestler: you start to feel confident*
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Who needs crits when you can just one shot body shot?
Contiguouskittycat: Okay, so we talk a lot about what a person's guardian type says about them. So what about the people who aren't Guardians? What does it mean to be a human, or awoken, or exo in this world?
azureHaights: "Here's three Very Good Bullet Bois. Use them well."
ryuhimora: "You made that enemy stop being alive and start being physics."
ImmoralEthicist: Golden Gun with Nighthawk is a fine way to handle bosses and literally nothing else
notBrunoAgain: And it's interesting how the corresponding Warlock mission has dialogue that is much more about how the powers work, but on such a theoretical level that it's really about a worldview
postmodernpajamawrestler: Warlocks were mentioned a couple of times with Ikora, but were titans ever mentioned?
Rhynerd: Isn't the Titan Striker Subclass story mostly about a woman who awoke a Guardian and found herself driven to the Last City?
postmodernpajamawrestler: Maybe the game would like to hint at class rivalry?
Rhynerd: Reduced to just Punching her way there?
postmodernpajamawrestler: they're cowboys
Laserbeaks_Fury: are those light emmiting plants the same model as the baryon boughs?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: The Titan subclass missions tend to be more about mythic legends of Titans past and how you use your powers to shield others.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Which makes sense, because the Titan's role according to Zavala and the lore is "You are a wall. A wall doesn't move or break. A wall doesn't care."
Rhynerd: You're a lone ranger; you have gun, and will travel.
TheDarium: Self confidence, which you need to be the kind of lone operative Hunters tend to be.
ArcOfTheConclave: Vangard Bet?
Oatway_: that could cut both ways even, by being a story-teller, by being full of bravado, one moves closer to being a gunslinger
MalBeam: hey cayde, bet you can't be the vanguard?
Lysander_Gustav: It's strange that there's a cloak now called "Vanguard Dare," but the lore attached to it doesn't have anything to do with it?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Cayde's Vanguard Dare was kind of heartbreaking, as far as those things go.
KinoGami: it's more like "I bet i can do X and not die"
ryuhimora: that name is way too close to Cait Sith
Katten_Rastyr: It's Toland! cirHappy
TheMoatman: Wait when did we stop being a titan?
ChroniclerC: WAIT, THAT'S TOLAND!?
Darleysam: shattered as in tired
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Lysander_Gustav I think the lore for that cloak talks about Cayde first meeting Andal Brask, the Hunter Vanguard before him who died at the hands of a Fallen Mercenary.
Rhynerd: When the Titan got their powers
notBrunoAgain: Toland the Made an Oopsie
TheMoatman: ChroniclerC I believe he even talks in Forsaken
Rhynerd: so, about 10 or 15 minutes ago at least?
Katten_Rastyr: Yeah ChroniclerC it's Toland talking to us Voidlocks!
Darleysam: toland the absolutely knackered
ChroniclerC: Yeah, you run intoToland a bunch in Forsaken.
ryuhimora: The shard itself is corrupted??? Why did we use it? Why did it help us??????
emrafool: indulge us all cam
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Toland the Useless Lore Depository.
laozi3: @ryuhimora all questions
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Toland the Nonsequitor Factory.
TheMoatman: Oh god I can hear it
ryuhimora: I have so many questions!
postmodernpajamawrestler: Cormac McCarthy dark and visceral? Nooooo
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TacitusVigil: "Toland, this is an Arby's drive through"
postmodernpajamawrestler: The Road is sooo gooood
Miss_Katherine: was there a talking sim of cultist simulator at one point?
Rhynerd: Not yet
Contiguouskittycat: Okay, so we talk a lot about what a person's guardian type says about them. So what about the people who aren't Guardians? What does it mean to be a human, or awoken, or exo in this world?
Katten_Rastyr: TacitusVigil He'd still be right to say all that :V
Rhynerd: Cam still needs to play Cultist Simulator, I believe
TacitusVigil: @Katten_Rastyr ...dangit, you're right :P
Miss_Katherine: Rhynerd ah, I see! thanks
ChroniclerC: Toland is a DINK.
laozi3: *was a dink
ryuhimora: Does The Speaker ever do anything but refuse to answer questions?
TacitusVigil: Was Toland part of Eris' fireteam?
Lysander_Gustav: Just the eye of the ghost?
KinoGami: he was
ChroniclerC: No, he's still totally a dink.
KinoGami: and then he "escaped" into the ascendant realm after they failed to kill crota
Werdnae: "Toland" admits he destroyed his ghost and encourages us to do the same
TheDarium: Rally a bunch of warriors to protect what's left of humanity doesn't count, probably.
Laserbeaks_Fury: We've seen that green-black sun
laozi3: @ChroniclerC I said that prior to Cam saying he was dead but not destroyed. point rescinded, I'll believe he's still a dink
MalBeam: i didn't realize until today the damage types are associated with different particles: arc - electron, solar - photon, void - dark matter
Werdnae: We need to get you through the destiny 1 raids Cameron, so you can see Crota's god-star
TheDarium: Sorry, that was @ryuhimora
Werdnae: Crota's End, the second raid
KinoGami: the oversoul
KinoGami: it's big. real big.
ChroniclerC: Yaaaay, Sloan!
Rhynerd: I remember seeing that Green Black sun. Because some friend invited me to the second to last part of the raid and when they were the only person there and then ditched me.
Rhynerd: The jerk.
Lysander_Gustav: I love the story of Lady Effrideet. It was really good storytelling from that actor.
ryuhimora: @TheDarium I don't see what was to be directed at me
slythinn: HOLY FUCKING SHIT! WHEN THE FUCK IS LAST WORD COMING OUT?
KinoGami: a hunter with perfect aim
TheDarium: That's all that I know the speaker does. Rally guardians and not answer questions.
ryuhimora: Ah okay
Werdnae: Picked up Saladin
ChroniclerC: "Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Katten_Rastyr: He nails that story hard
ryuhimora: Saladin? We get Big Boss in this game>
Lysander_Gustav: Delightful line-delivery
TacitusVigil: And when their ghost rezzes them, they're laughing from the fun of it, as I recall?
mtvcdm: !break
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Foxmar320: slythinn chill, the last word quest is on the Bungie site it comes out next year.
Lysander_Gustav: what is Last Word?
KinoGami: hand cannon
Foxmar320: An exotic from Destiny 1 thats coming to D2
Lysander_Gustav: ah
ryuhimora: oh man I just remembered I have this game again since Blizzard gave it away
KinoGami: from destiny 1
emrafool: now i gotta go play D2 while we wait lol
TacitusVigil: It's what we get when we finish the Foresaken initial campaign. Kappa
TacitusVigil: *Forsaken
Werdnae: The striker mission also mentions Wei Ning, the archetypical striker titan
Decaped: what's this talking sim about? which part of Destiny, i mean?
AGiantRoach: i feel like I would have enjoyed D2 if I had played D1. But D1 wasn't on PC sooooo
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Decaped Communication of story concepts through gameplay.
Rhynerd: @AGiantRoach Depends on when you got D1, honestly
Foxmar320: D1 at launch had a lot of issues.
TheDarium: I enjoyed D2 and didn't play (though I watched quite a bit of) D1, So it's not a requirement, but you do get a bit more out of it.
Rhynerd: I got D1 and now I look at the Destiny series and go "This could have been a great series, but god fucking damn"
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Yeah, D1 experience is not necessary to enjoy D2, but it certainly helps.
Foxmar320: If you want D1 story there are lore masters on YouTube that cover a lot of it.
Decaped: actually playing through D1 is a detriment to enjoying Destiny
AGiantRoach: I played D2 but I sort of fell off around the first DLC
Foxmar320: AGiantRoach a lot of people did.
TheDarium: Same.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Destiny's problem is not that it's bad, it's that it's great at launch, suffers from a bad endgame in vanilla, then benefits from later expansions that fix a lot of QoL and storyi ssues.
ChroniclerC: Yeah, season 2 wasn't great.
aquinas_0: Honestly, Destiny shows me enough of old bungie still exists in the company that I wish they'd get the rights to make a Myth IV
Foxmar320: I will say if you are interested in trying D2 again nows a great time. Forsaken changed up almost the entire game.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Osiris would've been great if the Infinite Forest hadn't been spiked so badly.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Same for Warmind and EP.
Rhynerd: Yeah, the Destiny series is a good example of games that need to wait like 2 years or so before they git gud.
ryuhimora: my history with Destiny is weird, I got through most of the first game then got bored and sold it, got D2 and played four hours before returning it, it just would not hold my interest
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Forsaken is great, if you're looking for a reason to get back into D2, there's no better time than now.
Decaped: as someone who came back at the Forsaken sale, i'm not sure destiny 2 changed anything with forsaken that people who quit would like
Rhynerd: Oh Ben's doing Amnesia!
Foxmar320: ryuhimora then clearly Destiny is just not for you. You gave it a try at least.
Riandisa: Forsaken really messed me up on the inventory front. Takes forever to evaluate drops due to RNG stats
ryuhimora: I find the number of enemy factions that you have to care about to be exhausting and almost like the writing team all had ADD
Decaped: the enemy factions are for mechanical gameplay more than anything else. With the scorn pressuring you in different ways than the others
ChroniclerC: You don't really have to care about any of the enemy factions. But on the other hand, I feel the lore is a big chunk of the appeal here, sooo....
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Decaped I'd disagree; the quality of life improvements and the way Bungie's revamped the weekly reward cycle definitely solves a lot of the content drought issues that people were running into during Osiris and WArmind.
Rhynerd: @ryuhimora The enemy faction variety was actually something that sold me on the series when it was being hyped up
ryuhimora: like Cam explaining who the Fallen were was like having it explained for the first time, I did not remember them from my time playing D1
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Though I guess that depends on how much you like grindy gameplay cycles in your MMO.
Rhynerd: partially because Bungie made it sound like you were just another faction trying to grow into a power that can fight these factions.
Foxmar320: The Fallen were the first group you fought in D1 ryuhimora
orellien2773: <hugs the Cam>
ryuhimora: yeah and I did not remember why they hated us
ryuhimora: at all
Decaped: @RomanianMyEscutcheon but they didn't change the gameplay, just the carrot. I hope i'm not in the minority on this, but "content drought" is such a non-thing
laozi3: man that is the least scifi looking shotgun I've seen in a while
Rhynerd: I still wish the alien factions would fight each other more often
RomanianMyEscutcheon: I mean, if the game play doesn't snag you, then... why are you playing Destiny in the first place?
ArcOfTheConclave: Gather round the campfire and I will tell you our legends
rycat: how he lost the vanguard bet?
Foxmar320: They fight each other a lot out in the world. There are mini events where they have battles.
wicker_knight: they did say "the dragons that grant wishes" in the short story
YiayiasBoy: What have I walked into
wicker_knight: so at minimum we know they're weird and powerful
ArcOfTheConclave: Dragon genii?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: I mean, if you donj't like how the game handles, that's valid. But I don't know if you can complain that the expansions to the game didn't fundamentally change the nature of that game.
TheDarium: @ArcOfTheConclave Dragon Monkey's Paw.
rycat: Vuvuzela!
Decaped: @RomanianMyEscutcheon there's a difference between a game you play for a month and a game you play all year
Decaped: i'm saying the people who quit, quit because the game wasn't good enough, and the game hasn't really changed in that way.
jeff_sg: Hi peoples
ArcOfTheConclave: @TheDarium dragon jerk genie got it.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: I mean, I've been here since Vanilla D2, and I know plenty of people who tapped out in Curse or Warmind, came back in Forsaken, and now they're back on the grind and have been for the last two months.
Decaped: we're talkign about different groups then
ChroniclerC: NEEEEERRRRRDDDDSSSS!!! :P
Lightningbro: Cam geeking out is one of my favorite things to watch. Passion is such a wonderful emotion to see.
Rhynerd: am nerd yes
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Again, if you don't like the fundamental gameplay, that's totally valid, and there are probably other titles that would appeal to you. But I don't know how you would change Destiny's gameplay in such a fundamental way that suddenly everybody who left comes back in droves.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Even if you could do that without alienating other groups.
ChroniclerC: Oh, GCU wrote this up, then. ^_^
rycat: for a second I thought you were going to say Failsafe and I was gonna laugh
TacitusVigil: It not perfect system.
ArcOfTheConclave: and crippling the traveler.
Decaped: i'm not even talking about that, because there are plenty of games that people play with no content update.
Foxmar320: oh he failed hard
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Failsafe is a better version of Rasputin, send Tweet.
Decaped: my entire point is that they fixed D2 through carrots and shiny new pictures, not improving gameplay
ryuhimora: wasn't the threat Rasputin was put against something they couldn't possibly have defeated?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: And I'm saying the gameplay never needed an overhaul, because it was never the fundamental issues; quality of life, quality of expansions, and having enough to do in the game were. And they've gone a long way to fix that, at least in my opinion.
Contiguouskittycat: A bit, it was like testing Chaos Theory level math against High School Calculus students.
chesul: ah, the dark souls treatment.
Rhynerd: oh right, Thunderlord's back.
Decaped: it doesn't need an overhaul, it just needs to be better. I'm comparing this to stuff like oldschool counterstirke or quake.
Foxmar320: Sleeper so foxmarFIRE
reptileviking: This is something I wish Warframe did. There's not enough weapon lore
Rhynerd: is Thunderlord the only machine gun in D2?
FlyingUltraCar: what does "explication" mean?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Destiny is not Counterstrike or Quake though. It's Halo 3.5.
Foxmar320: Rhynerd no
shadowscythe77: @Rhynerd There are more
rycat: Giant laser gun
laozi3: It's beautiful
Rhynerd: How many more?
Decaped: okay, halo then, cause people played halo forever.
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Orchestrion: it probably has the single most damaging shot
ChroniclerC: Yeah. Sleeper is a beast.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: If you like Counterstrike or Quake, Counterstrike and Quake still exist. Destiny shouldn't have to overhaul its entire design philosophy because you think it should be a hardcore arena shooter.
kingkarate1: Twin tail is pretty big
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Twintail Fox is amazing.
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Foxmar320: Sleeper is a 100% skill based weapon in Gambit Kappa
Foxmar320: Hey SniperPumpkin
shadowscythe77: @Rhynerd Not sure, but they added several with the Black Armory
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Foxmar320 You misspelled Thunderlord/Hammerhead/1K Voices. lrrBEEJ
Decaped: completely missing my point. I'm just saying the game isn't good enough to keep its playerbase on its gameplay merits. Something that Halo accomplished, for example.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: I don't want to pull the "That's your opinion" card, but... I mean, that's your opinion. And it's valid, but that doesn't mean the game has to change.
Orchestrion: did somebody say queenbreaker in gambit?
KinoGami: halo kept it's playerbase only because they didn't have anything else
kingkarate1: That's a weird way to spell queenbreaker
ChroniclerC: Oh, Ares, AKA Mars
KinoGami: a lot of people abandoned halo for cod
Decaped: because CoD was better?
Contiguouskittycat: It classifies the message as a conference, but Rasputin is by itself.
KinoGami: it played better
KinoGami: and it offered a choice
screamingpeasant: the box below the trigger. what is it? it seems to be just clipped on...
Rhynerd: a battery, probably
KinoGami: people stopping with destiny has nothing to do with it being "worse gameplay" than halo. they just have more options
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @screamingpeasant It's a laser gun, that's the battery slot.
Foxmar320: Correct thats the battery
screamingpeasant: the, what must be a very tiny wire, kinda feels like a small extension cord attached to a nuke reactor heh
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ArcOfTheConclave: no ambiguity in his language?
Foxmar320: oh he sure did
ryuhimora: Traveller-Sustained-Lifeforms is an accurate term, though
TacitusVigil: Lightbearers
Rhynerd: Some were just murder hobos
TheDarium: The traveler plays no favorites.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Rasputin's language is definitely very ambiguous, but not intentionally. It's just that we don't have access to whatever codebook it's pulling these alerts from.
ChroniclerC: Pre-Vanguard Lightbearers tended to be DINKS
phorrestgaze: keep humans safe
rycat: Drifty boi and Golden gun man
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Post-Vanguard Lightbearers also tend to be dinks.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Just saying, we should definitely shove the Drifter off the tower.
Contiguouskittycat: @TheDarium It sort of does, since not everyone gets to be magical space folk.
ChroniclerC: Fair
KinoGami: we like to joke there is a guardian out there who constantly eats weird stuff and craps itself to death and it's ghost is stuck reviving this idiot over and over
Rhynerd: now Guardians are somewhat coordinated murder hobos
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @KinoGami There's a Ghost Story about that, it's tons of fun and super depressing.
BloodnBullets: bribery
Foxmar320: Give us loot!!
ArcOfTheConclave: dispence loot?
Rhynerd: I should arm these murder hobos
tenthtechpriest: what if I become a loot dispenser and watch them do my work for me
RomanianMyEscutcheon: We are definitely Rasputin's lab rats, it's just that it gives out guns that are tight as shit so we don't care.
ChroniclerC: "I can not stop the darkness. Midnight is happening."
Despoiler98: Rasputin is a GODDAMN coward
TheDarium: @Contiguouskittycat True, but I thought that more a supply/demand issue. I mostly meant on a morality line.
ArcOfTheConclave: I do more for humanity alive.
Despoiler98: so basically Rasputin is a GODDAMN coward
Orchestrion: by Ana?
FlyingUltraCar: oh I remember that myth!
wicker_knight: it's him trying to grow
wicker_knight: expand themself
ryuhimora: Does Rasputin have humans left to protect? Does it know there are still humans around? What does it do if everyone is wiped out?
Rhynerd: It knows about the city, I assume.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @ryuhimora Yes, yes, and let's hope we never find out.
ArcOfTheConclave: could this be 'create a huminoid body'?
tenthtechpriest: on one hand we're lab rats. on the other hand, ikelos shotgun is rad
rycat: EP shotty is love
Orchestrion: big oof
Rhynerd: It's when a man in a rabbit costume jumps out of a bush and punches you in the face.
Gekyouryuu: my favorite example of an outside context problem: suddenly an old god shows up from flipping nowhere
Orchestrion: like engrams
Orchestrion: another Bray tech
sivakrytos: all those examples above feel too like, you've already have a concept of them
ArcOfTheConclave: ocp: Magic
sivakrytos: an outside context problem would be more like ancient greeks getting nuked from space
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Rhynerd: @sivakrytos how about a sudden change in the law of physics?
FlyingUltraCar: I loved the Sandman comic about Bagdahd
ArcOfTheConclave: Clarion = alarm
FlyingUltraCar: *Baghdad
Rhynerd: Like the Square Cube law decided to be much more stringent one day?
sivakrytos: possibly more like that.
sivakrytos: banks essentially gives conquistadors as an example but the titular excession is probably more extreme than that
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mugulord01: resource guardian is probably a subtype of gaurdian
Foxmar320: lol
wicker_knight: gib gun
Katten_Rastyr: T H I C C LOOT
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ChroniclerC: xD lol
screamingpeasant: good job bringing it home there cam :)
Orchestrion: omg those things you had to shoot, all 35 of them are meant to keep us hanging around on Mars
tenthtechpriest: second sweetest gun on the planet. dat shotgun
Rhynerd: "hey, I want a gun like that"
Orchestrion: well 45, but 35 required to get Sleeper
TacitusVigil: I they were called zoop stroops?
ArcOfTheConclave: sg = shotgun
Thoth7: I really dig the IKELOS guns
Contiguouskittycat: This is a gun that was 3D printed at 4am in a desperate attempt to get it ready for the meeting.
Shemerson: one of the best PvE guns in the game
Rhynerd: not quite finished but damn does it shoot good.
mugulord01: ikelos means "like" in greek
Shemerson: even despite the nerf
ryuhimora: I really like how that message reads completely unlike how a human would write something like it
wicker_knight: I AM DEUS EX FINAL FANTASY
tenthtechpriest: wtb random roll version of yuga sundown
TacitusVigil: Be nice to get Year 2 versions of that gear.
LiveFaust: "Your average War Mind don't take a shit without a plan..."
Foxmar320: The Titan gear looks amazing
Darleysam: when my Alienware Dead Space special edition PC case was no-longer of use, I decided to wear it
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @LiveFaust If Rasputin has MarkoRamiusDotExe somewhere in its network infrastructure, I would be horrified beyond words.
wicker_knight: I Only Someone Could Help Out A Poor Warmind
ChroniclerC: "Oh good, they're hanging around."
TheDarium: Leave a gun out under a box with a string...
TacitusVigil: "EPs don't seem to a very efficient way to get rid of Hive, is there another reason to do this?" "...nah."
RomanianMyEscutcheon: The EP armor is great, it's just butts that it's completely irrelevant now.
CrazyCat556: Whether we wanted it or not, we’ve stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let’s get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta’aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He’s well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out and break her grip on Freehold. Whether we wanted it or not, we’ve stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let’s get to taking out their c
RomanianMyEscutcheon: lrrEFF
Rhynerd: "hey, you guys want a gun?"
Rhynerd: "please fill out this short survey using your current guns."
Contiguouskittycat: Light and Darkness seem to be something that is difficult to get a scientific handle on, hence why everyone seems to refer to them in allegory.
Foxmar320: I need to get that book still
coriolis_storm: Complete Destiny newbie here: Rasputin is a rogue AI?
ryuhimora: not rogue
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Contiguouskittycat Paracausality and science don't play nice.
wicker_knight: AI that outlived it's maker
Rhynerd: still following protocols
Rhynerd: it's just that we're not part of those protocols.
screamingpeasant: Thanks for being super interesting Cam; but I have to adult.
Rhynerd: because guardians aren't really considered human.
ryuhimora: Rasputin was put online right as The Darkness attacked Sol, and it was completely unable to fulfill it's mission to defend us
RomanianMyEscutcheon: More like an AI that's outlived doing what it was supposed to do, and moving on to what it THINKS it should do.
coriolis_storm: Cool. Thanks chat! lrrAWESOME
TacitusVigil: [to the congregation] Please turn to Ghost fragment Rasputin 3 in your Lore Books.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Which, y'know... is how the Singularity starts. And this one's coming after the apocalypse, which is refreshing!
Type_One___: cheer100
Darleysam: I love when Bungie go hard into this kind of writing
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RomanianMyEscutcheon: Destiny has got a lot of excellent writing that's buried in a gameplay experience that's struggling to figure out how to convey that information.
Rhynerd: hard civilization kill event.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Though it does a pretty good job communicating those complex concepts.
ryuhimora: "hard civilization kill event" aka WE BEING KILLED OMG
TheDarium: Fenrir Hear might refer to the iron wolves and SHIVA?
wicker_knight: well, and Roman
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Better than Halo did, which had a similar issue and a half-assed solution, which was "CONSOLES, CONSOLES EVERYWHERE."
wolfpool91: I love Destiny 2
ArcOfTheConclave: the end of the human age.
Blade_Tiger: I'm not a Destinysm'n, but this is making me want to get into it
wolfpool91: Its been a long time since I have been able to watch live
LonelyTex: !uptime
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Rhynerd: !!ABHOR!!
aesir_blade: Those are exclamation marks abhor
Rhynerd: I wonder what that means
Contiguouskittycat: Do we have time to talk about Shin Malphur and Dredgen Yor?
wolfpool91: How is everyone doing tonight
Orchestrion: imagine relying on Rasputin for dear life during the Collapse, and just seeing all the defenses suddenly retracting
ArcOfTheConclave: ABHOR = abhorrent?
TacitusVigil: It's a text book battle. Still taught today.
TacitusVigil: Brilliant.
Decaped: @Blade_Tiger I think the best way to get this from Destiny is to watch youtube videos, or LRR streams on it, lol.
Rhynerd: what's tielhard?
Werdnae: abhor is also a word, it's the verb with the same root as abhorrent
Rhynerd: another communication form?
ArcOfTheConclave: tielhard = from ourselves?
Rhynerd: oh, an enemy from within?
Contiguouskittycat: Isn't that a sorting algorithm a zombie wrote?
FlyingUltraCar: I've heard that phrase I think from you, Cameron
Thoth7: "All paths converge" was a repeating phrase back in Marathon as well
ChroniclerC: You mean maybe something like SIVA?
ArcOfTheConclave: If I take over the system? lrrBEEJ
Rhynerd: So, the system are turning against
Jay_Blanc: I like that there's even an in-context story reason for *why* Rasputin is making all these historical and literary references.
Gekyouryuu: Fenrir? Surtr? uh-oh. we ragnarok now, bois
Katten_Rastyr: IS GCU here? I kinda wanna see these notes
bremz: real yuga sundown hours, who up
e_bloc: cheer400 this is only content I ever want. holy crap is this great
BloodnBullets: imminent [O] departure
tenthtechpriest: big O, showtime
ArcOfTheConclave: [O] Praise\[T]/
TacitusVigil: MAKE it help us
ArkhamArchivist: Neo-Humans are Awoken/Exos, yeah?
JonJay: Loki is my cat's name.
darkalter2000: You don't get to leave.
Orchestrion: Juice the ghosts outta the Traveler
Rhynerd: Make it the Traveller's Problem
ryuhimora: if the big "O" leaves, do the abhorrent imperative... That sounds a like like "nuke everything"
ArcOfTheConclave: shoot the traveler in the foot.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: oh no I'm late I'm late
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @ArkhamArchivist Presumably Rasputin is talking exclusively about Exos, Awoken didn't exist when these protocols were implemented.
aesir_blade: Note that this conditional is timestamped V101(...) whereas the broadcast we read earlier was dated V120; this was something that Rasputin had decided to do significantly in advance
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I'm so sorry I was running bounties and totally lost track of time
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Hey, GCU!
ArcOfTheConclave: limit it's mobility.
Contiguouskittycat: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou *hugs* It's okay, Cam is reading your thing.
Spacecarl: hah, of course
ChroniclerC: Ayyyy, GCU!
Katten_Rastyr: Did Razzy blap The Traveler? cirLaugh
BlindProphet32: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou <3
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: sounds like I rolled up at the right time though
Foxmar320: Hey GCU
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: heyo
Katten_Rastyr: Hiya GCU!
RomanianMyEscutcheon: You did, Cam's going into Sleeper / Rasputin Shot the Traveler lore.
MalBeam: if rasputin shot the traveler, would it have created the shard?
Jay_Blanc: Um... I... Have to point this out. But, haven't we all just seen the Traveler be directly attacked by someone intending to take it by force?
Fableist: i havent played since the end of the main story of d2. have they done anything with the whole traveler is awake thing?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: yes, as far as I can tell based on the timestamping of the Rasputin messages (which is not consistent) the LOKI CROWN contingency was put into place WELL before the Darkness was even detected approaching the solar system
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @MalBeam I should be clear; "Rasputin shot the Traveler," is a joke. It's something that people who hate Guardians lob at them to tilt them the fuck out.
Nefarious_Ned: I may need to pick this game back up, this sounds really interesting.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: That's not to say that Rasputin doesn't have a plot to kill the Traveler if it becomes a problem, it just... hasn't happened yet.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Note that the initial SKYSHOCK alert mentions "sterile neutrino scattering," which is also associated with the Taken. Asher mentions it a couple times.
TheMoatman: Fucking hard
tenthtechpriest: heh. hard.
Rhynerd: enemies inbound
Rhynerd: situation is not pristine
TheMoatman: It's something I'm going to see in two mornings on a comp sci exam
MillerDark: Np Hard means it cannot be solved in a calculable amount of time
Contiguouskittycat: NP hard, means that it is a problem that can only be solved in non-polynomiable time.
TacitusVigil: [Clippy appears on screen] It appears like your Civilization is about to be destroyed; would you like me assume direct control?
laozi3: lol
sivakrytos: ftr "non polynomial" remains rather calculable
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Fableist It's sending us visions again and it might be sending visions to the Awoken, but so far there hasn't been a ton of movement on that front.
ArcOfTheConclave: middle eastern political org? lrrBEEJ
rycat: Isis is the Egyptian goddes of magic and I think healing
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: SECURE ISIS is also mentioned in another lore tab not directly from Rasputin, but from the Cosmodrome pre-Collapse, during the launch of one of Rasputin's new weapons (SABER GREEN)
RedGriffin42: lore is fun
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I mean if it weren't here then what would I do with my spare time? =/
Fableist: @RomanianMyEscutcheon thank
Katten_Rastyr: Deep lore is great, keeps me in the game. The world is rich and all that good stuff
Jay_Blanc: Okay. So... Here's something to consider. Rasputin would have woken up and done something big if the Traveler was going to be taken away by an enemy. Rasputin has a protocol to provoke someone else to attack the Traveler if it was about to leave on it's own. Destiny 2 starts with the Red Legion attacking the Traveler. Rasputin doesn't do anything about it.
BlindProphet32: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Demand more Rasputin lore from bungie?
Enmity777: @LoadingReadyRun If you haven't gotten to it, the unsecured/OUTCRY ship in the Black Armory eververse engrams is very relevant to this
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: listen I am CONSTANTLY in a state of demanding more Rasputin lore
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SniperPumpkin: Cosmogyre
Contiguouskittycat: IF(Man.dresscode == "Egyptian" && Man.name == "Osiris"){ enact.GTFO; }
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: AND I JUST GOT THE UNSECURED/OUTCRY DROP FROM A BRIGHT ENGRAM WOOP
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: sorry about the caps but also not sorry
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Jay_Blanc Technically Ghaul was never going to remove the Traveler from the system, he was going to steal the Light from it and adopt its power to make the Cabal an unparalleled military power.
wolfpool91: What is your favorite class to use, I am a Titan main
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TheDarium: @Jay_Blanc I think it was more worried about the Traveler bolting on it's own, not some enemy taken it.
neuroflare: man I jsuts tarted playing destiny recently I needed this
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I'm pretty sure the name "Marasenna" is based on the epic "Lokisenna," which is kinda interesting but I'm not sure how it connects
RomanianMyEscutcheon: And Rasputin only found out about it after the fact when the Traveler woke up and trucked Ghaul so hard he disintegrated.
delta__vee: NP has a sort of we'll-know-it-when-we-see-it flavour
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: The tl;dr of Rasputin's Loki Crown order is this: "if the chips are down and the Traveler attempts to flee, leaving humanity in the lurch, cripple the bastard so that it HAS to stand its ground."
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: or an even shorter tl;dr: "If humanity goes down I'll make damn sure the Traveler goes with it."
Jay_Blanc: Rasputin missed a full scale Red Legion invasion of the solar system?
TheDarium: @Jay_Blanc This was before the Red legion came by.
Jay_Blanc: Yes. That's the point I'm making.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Rasputin did not actually miss the Red Legion invasion.
Jay_Blanc: Rasputing has a protocol to prod someone else into attacking the Traveler.
tenthtechpriest: send reply: fucking WHAT
Contiguouskittycat: What do you MEAN HOSTILE EXTRASOLAR ARRIVAL?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Jay_Blanc Rasputin's been in hibernation on Mars for a couple centuries, it only just started waking up in D1 when folks started bugging its sentient fragments on Earth.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Rasputin detected the Red Legion invasion, assessed the threat, and concluded that it did not pose an extinction-level threat to humanity. Remember, he does not classify Guardians as humans.
Foxmar320: Glitch yourself into an area you shouldn't be. Get free lore!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: In some ways alllowing humanity to be conquered by the Cabal would be better in the long term.
LiveFaust: inquiry {pardonfuck}
Lightningbro: Clarification: We're going to die, you're going to die, come back and maybe SOMEONE gets to live.
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TacitusVigil: The Ecstasy of St. Theresa is a famous statue.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Did I miss talking about the Sleeper lore tab?
TacitusVigil: That encapsulates that concept.
ArcOfTheConclave: these are great words
MitchTheQuaker: having grown up pentacostal can confirm they get very loud and very involved
coriolis_storm: Do we know who’s on the writing team? This is very well researched and written
Katten_Rastyr: Sadly yes GCU
Jay_Blanc: Rasputin is a computer. It isn't going to be 'groggy' from waking up from 'hibernation'. Nor does 'hibernation' mean it isn't keeping tabs on threats to the solar system.
MitchTheQuaker: they take the "shout to the lord and sing for joy" very literaly
Werdnae: The Rasputin discussion started from Sleeper and progressed from there, GCU
TacitusVigil: Revanchism is often a referral, for example, of French national mentality between the Franco-Prussian War and WW1
Gekyouryuu: I know Palingenesis! they use that word in Fate/Grand Order when you use a Holy Grail to break through your servant's maximum level limit
MitchTheQuaker: also pentacostal music is supprisingly good for religious music
BlindProphet32: @Jay_Blanc Thats not strictly true. It just has a completely different meaning. Groggy in an AI sense is still processing information queued up while 'asleep'
TehAmelie: religious ecstasy is a whole brain phenomenon. i think it's very well understood, as far as we understand anything the brain does
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: point of order: the Awoken colony ship was the Yang Liwei. It was explicitly not part of the Exodus program.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Jay_Blanc You're assuming that after centuries of being largely inactive to avoid hostile notice and the destruction of many existing assets, Rasputin would be able to rapidly respond to a full scale invasion of Earth, even if he wanted to.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Which GCU just pointed out, he may not have cared enough to intervene in the first place, since Ghaul wasn't trying to wipe out humanity.
Jay_Blanc: Okay. But understand what I'm trying to say... What if Rasputin already knew the Red Legion was coming. Because it had prodded the Red Legion in the Traveler's direction.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: The Rasputin messages at the beginning of the Warmind comic issues explicitly detail Rasputin's decision-making during the Red War
Jay_Blanc: Because it has a protocol designed to do precisely that.
TacitusVigil: Unless Rasputin somehow calculated that the Traveler would respond and therefore it did not need to act?
Rhynerd: Now I'm remembering the story of the Thanatonaut.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Rasputin categorized the Red Legion as not meeting the threshold for a "HARD CIVILIZATION KILL EVENT" as Guardians don't count as humans and the Legion was there to conquer, not exterminate. He later notes that he may have, uh, "underestimated" to power of the Almighty and that now everyone (including him) is under extinction-level threat,
ArcOfTheConclave: Schrodringer's engram?
Contiguouskittycat: Tyra isn't Awoken is she?
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adi_pie: Tyra is Awoken
RomanianMyEscutcheon: There's nothing in the lore to support that, though; given their presence on Mars and the scale of their assault, Ghaul was plotting for a good long while to take the Traveler and steal the Light. And there's nothing to indicate Rasputin would even know how to get ahold of the Red Legion in the first place.
ChroniclerC: Tyra is also a Lightbearer.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Or if he would even trust the Legion to pull it off, given how Ghaul got his ass kicked and the Red Legion disintegrated in the aftermath.
TacitusVigil: Very much a born again logic. You take a new name. You leave the past behind. I imagine one of many reasons why Zavala is so mad with Ana.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou There's something deeply satisfying about the thought of Rasputin having an "Oh, shit," moment.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Rasputin is *extremely* adverse to engaging with outside forces, friend or foe. It's highly unlikely he would have protocols designed to introduce outside hostile forces into the solar system. It makes sense to pit your enemies against each other, but that's not really how Rasputin things.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Rasputin's had a couple of "ohhhhhh I fucked up" moments lately; it's part of the reason he's cautiously joining up with us at the moment.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: ohhhh are we gonna talk unsecured/OUTCRY
adi_pie: Because Rasputin, like everyone else in the Solar system, is not us, thus not allowed to be competent.
ArcOfTheConclave: that ship looks sweet!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS LORE TAB
Orchestrion: I love how we can read item lore without owning the item
TacitusVigil: That's a null symbol. The Darkness?
TacitusVigil: Oh, it's a Theta?
SenseAmidstMadness: It has a boot on it
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: "unsecured/OUTCRY" is a broadcast message marker that has been seen only once: in Rasputin's final message announcing his withdrawal from the war.
Contiguouskittycat: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou Do you have thoughts about what makes Guardians what they are? What makes a Guardian worthy of resurrection? What made Shin Malphur worthy without dying?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: he's also sending this to "WARWATCH", assets he hasn't engaged since pre-Collapse. Possibly indicates that he's reactivated a lot of deep-space assets.
Jay_Blanc: I still think Rasputin under-estimating the damage The Almighty could do to [O] doesn't contradict it having prompted that attack in the first place.
SenseAmidstMadness: Reference to Outside Context Problem?
Rhynerd: what's cronus?
Orchestrion: cronus, ancient enemy of the current god?
TacitusVigil: Cronus: The Titan that ate his children to secure his own rule?
ArcOfTheConclave: Vex?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: After a great deal of thought, I think "CONTEXT is Cronus" means "in the neighborhood of Saturn."
wicker_knight: he was space and the cosmos
rycat: Either the titan who ate his kids or the god of time
Rhynerd: Ah, right, That Titan
ChroniclerC: Cronos, the Titan of time.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: I mean, I can't say any more clearly that nothing in the lore indicates Rasputin using the Red Legion as a proxy, and that would contradict a lot of existing lore about how Rasputin responds to outside voices.
ArcOfTheConclave: @GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou nice
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I think Rasputin is talking here about Hive activity in the Dreadnaught and the moon Titan
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Chronus is distinct from Cronus
adi_pie: Why would Rasputin need to have prompted the Red Legion attack, when we already have in-universe reasoning for why the Red Legion was here.
quentastic: And Cronus ruled over a golden age
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Cronus is a god of the harvest and the father of Zeus, who killed him. It's also the Greek name of the god Saturn.
Pentigan: Doesn't the Black Armory have a Norse family and call things [name] Forge?
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GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I'm pretty sure "context is Cronus" means "if something really friggin weird starts happening in the Saturn system around the Dreadnaught and/or Titan."
RomanianMyEscutcheon: @Pentigan Yes, the Volundr Forge, referencing the Magnussen Family.
rycat: Volundr forge?
laozi3: Feed dump lore cuts
Orchestrion: ah it's made of shower drain gunk
Banrael: It's a slightly stinky boat
mugulord01: That's why vikings file their nails
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: the boat that comes from the underworld to bear the dead to fight the gods
TacitusVigil: That's so Klingon
Banrael: Not the worst boat
tenthtechpriest: note: DVALIN coded weapons were what were required for the sleeper stimulant quest in destiny 1
wicker_knight: because it's supposed to be the MOST awful thing, Cori :P
laozi3: *not feed dump, the panelists
alliterativealternative: isn't it the largest boat in norse myth
Contiguouskittycat: Cam did his homework for this stream.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Kalki is kinda like the Hindu rider of the apocalypse
haseo_sora: Is this thing gonna make/do a Niddhog?!
TacitusVigil: Golem...the Exos?
Lightningbro: This is sounding like a counterattack against... what. The Darkness? The Traveller?
ArkhamArchivist: and the Naglfar carries the Einherjar, yes?
dutchgiantcreations: kalki golems are maybe the ghosts ?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I have a complicated theory about what's going on here and how it fits in to the larger plot, but it's almost too long to type out here.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Cameron, I think "Cronus" in this case refers to Saturn. It's not Chronos.
mugulord01: That space ship on your screen is naglfar then i guess
ChroniclerC: If: The Vex || Then: NUKE FROM ORBIT
haseo_sora: i have a theroy... if there is no hpoe we kill EVERYONE
Katten_Rastyr: The Dreadnaught?
TheDarium: The vex are primarily named after greek mythalogical monsters...
rycat: Oryx?
ArcOfTheConclave: Cronus =/= chronos
ChroniclerC: OH SHIT, THE DREADNAUT
ImmoralEthicist: It's also worth mentioning that Destiny (and Bungie stuff in general) is DENSE with Norse references
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I think Rasputin has been tracking very dangerous activity in the neighborhood of the Dreadnaught, and if he loses some asset tracking it, he goes into full-on panic mode.
Ironfistofglee: the "eclipse vs sundown" thing might be the warmind decideing its not -actualy- a sundown, but just an ecipse
Jay_Blanc: One important thing to consider when reading Rasputin's texts, is that these are transcriptions produced by a human language communication and transcription subroutine that was initially programmed from seed texts comprised of classic literature and histories.
Darleysam: I really felt like they got the sheer magnificent terror of Rasputin through in the sound of its voice at the end of the Warmind campaign
keymaster515: So Rasputin is the last AI left?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: no, they're dstinct gods. Chronos is a time god. Cronus is the father of Zeus & Greek name for Saturn, and a god of the harvest.
ryuhimora: So I'm pretty sure the Abhorrent thing Rasputin is referring to is destroying the Sol system
haseo_sora: maybe the eclipse is like the doomsday clock
Jay_Blanc: Rasputin conscripted all the other Warminds to be part of Rasputin.
keymaster515: okay
Werdnae: That seems like a probable read on it GCU, IIRC we've got other lore that suggests something is happening on the dreadnaught
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tenthtechpriest: I think you mean we're going into this eyes up
Banrael: cheer100 Brain, indeed, why?
Rhynerd: so, there used to be multiple warminds?
Pentigan: Rasputin is the only remaining Warmind AI, there are other AI elsewhere in the system including Failsafe on Nessus and to some degree the Exo and Ghosts
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Rhynerd: charlemagne existed?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: DVALIN::ABHORRENT is likely referring to a set of weapons so friggin' destructive they are only to be wielded as a last resort. DVALIN is his general term for weaponry produced Golden-Age-era for human use.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Rasputin 4 is the one where the bonkers Cosmodrome fragment is talking to Elsie Bray.
Katten_Rastyr: If Rasputin is trying to ferry warriors to slay gods, wouldn't it make sense for him to build something to carry Guardians to slay hive gods? cirThink
ArcOfTheConclave: allow humans to die to protect humanity
TacitusVigil: An eclipse means something is in between blocking the light...could it be the rise of a new power at the cost of our civilization?
ryuhimora: @Katten_Rastyr Rasputin only recently realized that Guardians are helpful to humanity
ArcOfTheConclave: @TacitusVigil block... of boot?
TehAmelie: Rasputin of Earth is a semi-mythical figure too. little farmer boy who had the king's ear and the queen's bed, and boy did the aristocracy not like that. . .
Rhynerd: Not a guardian , not tainted by darkness, but not human?
dutchgiantcreations: didnt we gather DVALIN parts in the quest to make the sleeper simulant back in Destiny 1 ?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: yes
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: the current IKELOS program, which arms Guardians, is derived from DVALIN plans
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: bear in mind that this entry is likely coming from the Cosmodrome Rasputin fragment, which is...not stable.
thundershot879: love how nonguardians look at guardians as magic zombies
TacitusVigil: @ArcOfTheConclave Boot?
Ironfistofglee: i like the read on "eclipse/sundown" refering to accessability of Light... an eclipse being a temporary limiting/blocking of Light. but Sundown being Light going away for a much longer if not permant amount of time
aquinas_0: well thats definitely the old bungie
rycat: the only person I can think of that deals with timelines is Osiris
ArcOfTheConclave: @TacitusVigil what the red legion do at the start of D2
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: the queen of shapes is definitely a reference to teh Darkness
TacitusVigil: @ArcOfTheConclave Ooooh, *that* boot.
thundershot879: savathun?
TacitusVigil: Gotcha.
ArcOfTheConclave: It blocked the light
LiveFaust: Thought: eclipse refers to cryogenic freezing of humans. Hiding them temporarily?
TacitusVigil: :)
Jay_Blanc: Some parts of Rasputin might do things that other parts of Rasputin wouldn't do if all parts of Rasputin had considered it.
TacitusVigil: @ArcOfTheConclave I follow now...interesting. :)
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: when Rasputin talks about facing the Darkness (which he did kinda literally) he meets it at the gate of the Black Garden, where he says it "devoured the blossoms with black flame and pinned their names across the sky"
rycat: ah yes the many-eyed wish dragon
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: "the queen of final shapes" is another description of the Darkness
Werdnae: was "Queen of Shapes" one of the titles used to refer to Savathun?
TacitusVigil: Riven takes on many shapes and voices.
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GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: not explicitly, but Oryx says he wants to be "King of Shapes" and by extension Savathun would now be Queen of Shapes
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Ironfistofglee: a wizzard with a spaceship and a gun makes me think more of SpaceStation 13 more than Destinty
Contiguouskittycat: Every time I see analysis like this I am reminded of how much knowledge, how much context there is behind almost everything that I completely lack. It's both scary and really wonderful.
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GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: however in context I'm like 99% certain Rasputin is directly referring to the Darkness
LiveFaust: Hiding away of humans like a sunset event, but with the promise of their return.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I almost think [theta] might be MDSA or Eris
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GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: that Rasputin has some kind of asset in the neighborhood of Saturn, and if he loses that feed he hardens for the worst-case scenario
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Gekyouryuu: @Contiguouskittycat oh, I KNOW that feel. it makes me feel so ignorant that I don't understand so much of the world around me, but thrills me to know that my curiosity will have stuff to satiate it for a long time to come
Werdnae: oh, right. Auryx was referred to by the title "King of Shapes" in the book of sorrow. So "Queen of Shapes" could refer to one of his sisters
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I trust Rasputin
Jay_Blanc: Also, to step back a little behind the curtain, and go meta... One of the fantastic things about writing in this manner, is you can hand lots of hooks for things that you may or may not decide are 'how things actually happened', and no actually pick which reading of something is correct till you have to.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: I trust Rasputin to do his best to defend humanity. I don't necessarily assume that that might *be* the best way, though...
jankemout: can I find these streams archived somewhere?
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Rasputin is a mind trapped in a very awkward in-between where he's tremendously intelligent, but utterly unskilled in any kind of emotional processing or coping.
Jay_Blanc: So in this case, Fan theory is neither right nor wrong, but a quantum unresolved observation.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: tl;dr the Collapse + facing the Darkness fucked him UP and there are no therapists for AIs.
Gekyouryuu: cheer50 a) great work on the "final" crapshot, cam, b) Cori, have you heard yet about the Witcher 3 collab and G rank expansion coming to Monster Hunter World?
Ironfistofglee: @jankemout they usualy show up on their Youtube... eventualy
mtvcdm: This now concludes another LRR broadcast day. From everyone at LRR, good night, and good morning.
Riandisa: Thanks for the great stream!
TheDarium: @jankemout Loading Ready Live is the You Tube channel.
TheDarium: For Streams.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: now time for me to watch the VoD and keep trying to comment before I realize it's not a live stream!
jankemout: thx
Gekyouryuu: awww, I sent it too late and they're gonna miss it. -_-
ChroniclerC: Izzet Let's Nope.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Thanks so much for the great lore stream, y'all, don't get to talk about this a lot... at least not without going full PEPE SILVIA. lrrSPOOP
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @ChroniclerC that's definitely what I heard too XD
ChroniclerC: :P
Ironfistofglee: events log says Watch and Play tomorow
MAPBoardgames: It's rad!
aesir_blade: LRR website says Nope tomorrow
Rhynerd: Watch and Play was last week, wasn't it?
Katten_Rastyr: Garbage day! cirHappy
aesir_blade: WnP was last week
Ironfistofglee: oh great, there is conflicting information in diferent places lol
TheDarium: The Break screen said Let's Nope.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: If you ever want to know about Destiny lore, ESPECIALLY Rasputin lore, I will literally talk about it as long as you let me.
Ironfistofglee: i trust the more other people saying its Nope
Katten_Rastyr: Wait WHAT? cirPrise
ArcOfTheConclave: time eff-ery
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: so hit me up if you want more info
ChroniclerC: Za?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Not... yelling... at Bungie?
RomanianMyEscutcheon: DOES NOT COMPUTE
Rhynerd: What time shenanigans is happening there?
Ironfistofglee: its definatly ONE of the two
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
RomanianMyEscutcheon: Thanks for the stream!
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: goodnight guys!
ArcOfTheConclave: thats just my guess
lilyoswald: This steam made me want to read a destiny book
aquinas_0: adios!
Ironfistofglee: Great stream!
ChroniclerC: o7
Katten_Rastyr: Rasputin is my favorite character hands down honestly
Ironfistofglee: always love a good talking sim
aquinas_0: it almost made me want to play this
Katten_Rastyr: "Character"
aquinas_0: almost :D
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: @Katten_Rastyr high five for Rasputin fan club
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mugulord01: This got me looking into my campaign setting and seeing what I could do with lore
TheDarium: I kinda like the speaker, though I relise it's an unpopular opinion.
ChroniclerC: Yeah. We've got a dozen LRR and LRR-friendly clans. Come hang out. ^_^
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: yes! if you play Destiny or are interested in playing it, DEFINITELY join the LRR Discord and hop in the #destiny channel! there are always lots of helpful people around and you can find raid buddies or just useful info anytime.
Katten_Rastyr: Oh, GCU how did Worlds Worst Fireteam do in the new raid? cirLaugh
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: World's Worst Fireteam made it to the third encounter believe it or not
Katten_Rastyr: Nice!
TheDarium: Mainly from the implications of that one quote/conffession of his in D2, but eh.
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: if you're up for it we want to do more tonight
Katten_Rastyr: I'm down
ChroniclerC: I wanna, but my computer died. ;_;
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: Straitjacket Zath and I have been trying to rustle up a couple more people
Katten_Rastyr: ChroniclerC cirPls
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: aw Chronicler that blows
GCU_OfCourseIStillLoveYou: okay I'm off
Rhynerd: Something about this stream reawakened a desire to talk about two versions of a short story.
ChroniclerC: It's in the shop. In the meantime, my ADHD has me bouncing off the walls.
TheDarium: @ChroniclerC I know that feeling.
Katten_Rastyr: Got any stimming bits and bobs?
Rhynerd: Anyone know a good channel on the discord to discuss a short story and a radio drama inspired by it?
ChroniclerC: So many figet toys, my dude.
ChroniclerC: But I've got very little do DO.
Katten_Rastyr: Ech