malc: lol, designtitles gave me Survivor of Projects
TehAmelie: hey, Kate is gonna be on twitch's front page tomorrow. and even more exciting news
chicken_mike: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Tinker Tailor Solder Fry (Ian and Paul start work on Tally Lights.) at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (6m from now).
polygonalpizza: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Tinker Tailor Solder Fry (Ian and Paul start work on Tally Lights.) at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (4m from now).
DarkMorford: Whoo, let's hack some shit up!
TehAmelie: if we set something on fire, it'll be a kind of light
DarkMorford: Fun fact, the ESP8266 is the microcontroller that was at the heart of last year's Desert Bus Random Dance Party Button.
korvys: @DarkMorford Oh, were you the person behind that?
DarkMorford: Ian and I teamed up on it.
korvys: It was a very cool idea.
DarkMorford: He made the 3D-printed case and did the assembly, I did the circuit design and software.
asthanius: Fries? Is this gonna be a half-cooking episode???
korvys: I look forward to the 366 simultaneous button presses required on day 1 of DB2019
girlpainting: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Tinker Tailor Solder Fry (Ian and Paul start work on Tally Lights.) at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (33s ago).
DarkMorford: Heh. I'm actually hoping to do a custom PCB for this year.
korvys: Do you have any ideas?
Herbert_Erpaderp: Hey everyone. Hope you're all doing well.
korvys: (Not that I'd ask you to spoil them)
girlpainting: i am well, and you?
DarkMorford: I have a couple. Need to sync up with Ian at some point and see what we want to do.
Herbert_Erpaderp: I'm good, thanks.
girlpainting: i attack the darkness!
girlpainting: critroleFail
girlpainting: damn
Herbert_Erpaderp: The band The darkness? huehuehue
NathanJay_GA: ~lasttweet
LRRTwitter: [1h ago] @loadingreadyrun> RT @Card_Kingdom> Sometimes, conceding isn't enough, @loadingreadyrun fans might be interested in this @LRRMtG button. | Also, we have buttons again!!!!! 📷 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2xcv9jU8AAEQju.jpg || https://www.twitter.com/loadingreadyrun/status/1111418312901038083
korvys: If any of those ideas would benefit from the introduction of leather, I would be happy to help :P
girlpainting: no, the darkness in this channel
girlpainting: i cast fireball on the darkness!
DarkMorford: I'll keep that in mind, korvys
girlpainting: critroleCrit
girlpainting: take that darkness!
Redturner15neo: whens the next W+P?
girlpainting: 4 min ago
DarkMorford: !schedule
LRRbot: The streaming schedule is getting a revamp on March 31! Check this video for more details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x81FDUH8-E Or if you just want to see the schedule itself, http://lrr.cc/2019schedule
Erudite_Cynic: SOON™
Redturner15neo: Thanks!
karmakamikaze: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Tinker Tailor Solder Fry (Ian and Paul start work on Tally Lights.) at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (5m ago).
mutantironman05: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Tinker Tailor Solder Fry (Ian and Paul start work on Tally Lights.) at Thu 06:00 PM PDT (6m ago).
korvys: I actually can't find W+P on the calendar...
DarkMorford: lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL
Brok3nGol3m: lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL
korvys: lrrDOTS lrrSIGNAL lrrARROW
Herbert_Erpaderp: lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrBEEJ lrrBEEJ
FenrisSchafer: lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL
DarkMorford: Hot mic!
Anaerin: Hot Mic!
Erudite_Cynic: Hot MiC
Redturner15neo: yeah I can't find W+P either, but I remember G saying it was still happening
mysticsage1: Hi Cory
NimrodXIV: TTSFASMR
Anaerin: Are you, Cori? Are you really? 'cause we're not. :)
thefileclerk: WOOOO!
NathanJay_GA: hello!
wordmogul: Cool! I made it in time for the final countdown!
Stoffern: Suddenly rocking
LRRTwitter: @loadingreadyrun> Going live with Tinker Tailor Solder Fry, right now! We’re making studio tally lights from an esp8266! 🎦 | http://twitch.tv/loadingreadyrun 📷 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2ycI-SU8AM9u6z.jpg || https://www.twitter.com/loadingreadyrun/status/1111434891558715392
korvys: W+P is supposed (based on the youtube update) to be between Mine O'clock and TS, alternating weeks, but it's missing right now, it seems.
Anaerin: [WUBS INTENSIFY]
redmagegizmo: Craft friends!
Anaerin: korvys: Graham is out at PAX, so no W+P
offbeatwitch: signal!
Jarcarp: hi
orionsrise1: YAYYYYYYY
thefileclerk: aaaaaaaaah!
asthanius: PaulBoss!
Riandisa: Yay TTSF while relaxing with birthday cake
Anaerin: It's a 3D Printer!!!!
korvys: @Anaerin I mean it's missing from the google calendar entirely
Sektor88: Paul! PogChamp
wordmogul: Hi!
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offbeatwitch: plus 3D printer!
DarkMorford: Wait, where's Tally?
Herbert_Erpaderp: Yay Paul!
asthanius: @DarkMorford In the lights?
Herbert_Erpaderp: Yeah! Tally would be a great guest!
Daken1993: calling pual the boss is technically true but sounds weird
Lynks_9: the boss? oh no! he'll find out we're not up to code!
korvys: @Anaerin Like, not even in future weeks. I assume it will still be fit back in, once people are back.
VantaBeige: Yay 3d printer
Anaerin: A UART of some description.
thefileclerk: wooo! i dont understand!
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Anaerin: Also, the basis for T H E B U T T O N
girlpainting: i know they are talking english.....but i still don´t understand a word
DarkMorford: Anaerin: Correct!
thefileclerk: @anaerin oooooh
azureHaights: I come back to stream to hear "4 Arduinos." Is that like 4 PS4s?
NovaGirl5: hey it's the 3d printer I gave them!
girlpainting: neat
thefileclerk: @girlpainting these are boards that make things have wifi
ForOhForError: Good choice of printer, by the by.
offbeatwitch: it's just a microcontroller, basically
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Meark: How'd that happen?
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offbeatwitch: they're like a dollar on aliexpress
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Anaerin: It's an ultra-simple complete computer on a single chip.
girlpainting: thefileclerk so i could have a wifi toothbrush?!
thefileclerk: holy crap
offbeatwitch: it's a microprocessor
offbeatwitch: so, sorta like a really basic cpu
thefileclerk: @girlpainting yes. oh god yes
NovaGirl5: Ian, still sticking with the Pink I sent you?
korvys: @girlpainting I don't know about you, but my toothbrush is already wireless lrrBEEJ
EnoTheTonberry: Twelve year old ian, looking exactly the same as he does now
karmakamikaze: A web server? Wild
djhobbs101: i have that same printer
thefileclerk: @enothetonberry ian is getting younger
Sirius2010: what are we building?
Sektor88: ruhroh
girlpainting: korvys i am soooo jealous
EnoTheTonberry: @thefileclerk I'd believe it
generalpurpose: and you can load it with a lua or node interpreter so you don't have to write C. which is nice if you're not trying to make a completed end product
offbeatwitch: ahh, hackintosh woes
NovaGirl5: No problem!
DarkMorford: Dear Drs. LoadingReadyRun, where's Tally?
ForOhForError: Well if you're testing the audio be sure to mic the printer
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generalpurpose: they've got a pretty beefy amount of RAM and flash
orionsrise1: the strawpoll has to include a 3% chance of VANTABEIGE actually being created live on stream!
thefileclerk: aaand its all on fire
pokeclone64: makerbot mini?
EnoTheTonberry: Azumanga Daioh
korvys: Oh, Cura 4 is out?
Erudite_Cynic: Azumanga Daioh
P4r7YG0D: 3D printing is my hoby (slowly becoming my job) and i'm loving yall doing it too
margieargie: I'd be disappointed if there -wasn't- an Azumanga Daioh folder there.
asthanius: I prefer Curaga, but...
VantaBeige: @orionsrise1 I'm already here though
iammorthos: They do the subs at the end on this one?
girlpainting: it basicly converts a 3d model in a stack of 2d files
thefileclerk: @iammorthos yup
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LoadingReadyRun: iammorthos yes
iammorthos: rock on
Anaerin: Ever made a model of something by piping icing? This is a computer-controlled version of that, but with molten plastic rather than icing.
orionsrise1: @vantabeige your not the real one because Lockheed Martin has it on lockdown for 2020 Topeathon!
NovaGirl5: The Printer is a Monoprice Select Mini, for those wondering
VantaBeige: >.> <.<
korvys: Oh, who is on tech today?
Anaerin: korvys: Cori.
thefileclerk: how did vantabeige make their name beige
orionsrise1: lol was not expecting that reply vanta! touche
offbeatwitch: you can get SDI shields for- paul beats me to it
VantaBeige: I found the hexcode for beige and got as close as twitch would allow me to
Anaerin: thefileclerk: Twitch Turbo lets you set your name to specific hex RRGGBB values.
thefileclerk: fancy
Zu_o: Does anyone else think that TTSF should have been a second iteration egg drop design by IanÉ
Zu_o: ?
korvys: And you have a show about hacking things together
thefileclerk: lets make wifi
thefileclerk: lets make weefee
control_rig: Aw
TehAmelie: we will solder on without her
NovaGirl5: Ian, When you run out of pink, Amazon actually makes their own AmazonBasics filament now that's cheap and decent.
azureHaights: Let's summon the weefee demons
Lord_Hosk: unsubscribe
ContingentCat: controlling Tally is beyond our technological abilities
orionsrise1: Who are YOU to control Tally Paul?! oh not that one?
LoadingReadyRun: NovaGirl5 We're ordering some soon
NovaGirl5: rad
Lord_Hosk: In mow feeling low-elked
Lord_Hosk: now feeling
DarkMorford: I want a 3D printer, I just don't know where the heck I'd put it.
DoodlestheGreat: "What the heck is this thing on my ankle? Lojack."
Anaerin: DarkMorford: Just 3D print a stand... oh...
chi7891: I miss tally! She needs to move back to the island!
Lord_Hosk: DarkMorford Just print a new building
thefileclerk: THE POWER
EnoTheTonberry: Rig the Tallys
VantaBeige: I really need a good 3d printing project, I mostly print nonsense
thefileclerk: thingamdoodle: technical term
pblackcoat: @VantaBeige Do what I do: Print more 3d printers
korvys: So Xsplit could control them?
korvys: beat me to it
Anaerin: I know the BBC has fun with their tally lights on April Fools days, as they can set their tally lights to chase like disco lights.
margieargie: @pblackcoat I feel like that's how humanity ends.
Zu_o: @VantaBeige firstly, the cent is out of print, secondly, you should avoid printing currency. all in all - continue to print non cents
orionsrise1: @vantabeige Try a Picatinny Rail!
thefileclerk: "interesting"
VantaBeige: @pblackcoat I have seen the files for that float around on reddit, I thought about it. My friend wants me to print a 7inx7in Solid Cube
thunderbird32: PHP, noble? /s
DarkMorford: Remember, Ian: The switch goes on D3, the LED goes on D7! ;)
Anaerin: "Stringly typed"
KodeMage: oh, is this in python?
KodeMage: c-ish
Anaerin: GET INTO THE C
VantaBeige: @orionsrise1 I actually printed a couple ergo magwell grips for a friend and I for out airsoft guns
snowcookies: I have an arduino controlled touch board
ContingentCat: I'm guessing loose is bad in this context
Tomasu82: its c. with some libraries
Anaerin: Typescript?
thefileclerk: c++ with labels
azureHaights: C~
TehAmelie: C, put pronounced like American Z
Alness49: C-nic
generalpurpose: it is technically c++ but with lots of libraries
KodeMage: c is pretty easy though, I'm betting you don't have to do anything with pointers on arduino
orionsrise1: but did you do a rail? lrrHAM
generalpurpose: Arduino anyway
margieargie: C, in this case meaning "circa"
azureHaights: C-quel. No wait.
LathosTiran: (STRING1 + STRING2) = X ....cross fingers
thefileclerk: wait, i have no idea anymore. what year is it.
offbeatwitch: ahh, C
DarkMorford: strcat!
Asimech: @ContingentCat I mean unless you want your code to rattle when you shake it...
VantaBeige: Not yet, its on a list
ForOhForError: C strings are awful
thefileclerk: are you ready for matlab?
korvys: concat(string1,string2) maybe?
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Anaerin: I always forget, is it strncmp, strcpy, strncpy or something.
offbeatwitch: byte, short, int, long
polygonalpizza: There's lotsa ints
KodeMage: yes, c cares about types, other languages let you be pretty loose
offbeatwitch: in C it's more like
Anaerin: Pointers!
pblackcoat: oh yes, pointser
offbeatwitch: char* str = malloc(32);
Mysticman89: cori knows whats up
LathosTiran: poor Cori
pblackcoat: I'm so, so sorry
slopoppotamus: I hate pointers so much
macintose: floats, decimals
Tplayne: oh pointers!! my favorite
offbeatwitch: strcat(str, "hello");
orionsrise1: how rude of me. @loadingreadyrun good evening Cory!
korvys: God, it's been years since I had to know pointers...
ForOhForError: the 'n' in str methods means you specify bounds, which you need for security because C strings are bad
offbeatwitch: strcpy(str, otherstr);
thefileclerk: Yeah, i failed this and switched to horticulture
NovaGirl5: Cori's Arkasha voice
AffinityForFun: I have a software engineering degree and I still have a brief flash of panic whenever I have to start working with pointers.
Alness49: Beef ints, pork ints...
Anaerin: Congratulations, you can now shoot yourself in the foot in a much more technical way.
Mysticman89: I think I understood pointers and C and so on for like a week once when it came up and I watched a lot of videos.
generalpurpose: pointers aren't that hard! I may be biased being an embedded engineer though
KodeMage: I mean, 90% of programming is copying and pasting from Stack Overflow anyways. the other 10% is knowing what to copy.
DarkNacht: As if C doesn't have libraries for everything?
DarkMorford: I've spent a lot of time in C/C++. Still go back to it from time to time depending on what I want to do.
dexrollcritfail: combo beef chicken shrimp ints
thunderbird32: @AffinityForFun props to the devs of days past, and their ability to code everything in Assembly
CaptainSpam: Welcome to the world of Deep Magic! It's the reason your fancy schmansy "modern" languages work! KappaHD
thefileclerk: this is how they created beej
TehAmelie: hmm how would you design a program language around the speed of light?
AffinityForFun: @thunderbird32 My last semester involved coding a C++ program to compile Assembly programs... I developed a lot of respect for the history in that class.
NovaGirl5: Do not cite me on the deep magic, witch! I was there when they were written!
KodeMage: what are we using the arduino for today anyways?
korvys: Tally Lights
chi7891: Tally lights.
Anaerin: NovaGirl5 6502 or Z80?
pblackcoat: @NovaGirl5 */ Dark Magic Starts Here /*
KodeMage: the background to studio b?
chi7891: Google it
orionsrise1: Tally lights....... not Tally the awesome lrrAWW
generalpurpose: yay Futurama references!
pblackcoat: @KodeMage No, lights on the cameras to tell you what cameras are live.
KodeMage: @pblackcoat the little red light?
flatluigi: wow
pblackcoat: basically, yeah
chi7891: Yes
generalpurpose: if anyone wants to learn more I believe Paul is describing the captive portal workflow
KodeMage: wow paul, we do now...
Herbert_Erpaderp: Uhhh
Anaerin: Other holes are available.
Sektor88: Yes Cori, yes. koboldKappa2
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orionsrise1: lol this is how they created Beej
DarkNacht: Ian "A Number of Holes" Horner
seantheman2: hello @LoadingReadyRun Dr Ian and Paul
NovaGirl5: Roughly the size of a pop can
steelfox13: flip it turnwise and you should be fine
KodeMage: if you slow it down the wobble matters less
orionsrise1: it makes me nervous when chat goes silent
Anaerin: Inertia: *is a thing*, Ian: *_*
ContingentCat: !advice
LRRbot: Escape the cheesecake.
pblackcoat: This is why I like delta style printers
girlpainting: flunge it counterturnwise!
Erudite_Cynic: nah a half turn Widdershins
Asimech: @Anaerin To be fair, in that example "Ian" can be replaced with "most people".
Anaerin: True.
KodeMage: @pblackcoat we had a delta wasp at my old job, never did utilize it to full potential
Tomasu82: those estimates are often way off..
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macintose: nice ian azumanga daioh is one of my favs too :P
Lord_Hosk: AHHH HA! they call their local disk C: Now I have everything I need to hack them!
korvys: That seems pretty typical
Anaerin: Other Printers Are Available.
NovaGirl5: I put on a fresh sheet before I sent it to you but eventually, it will wear out so you need to order more BuildTak.
steelfox13: other printers can be printed
Tomasu82: i have a mp select mini too! its pretty decent. 1hr or 2 sounds ok for that case
pblackcoat: @KodeMage Mine is currently in pieces because I'm trying to rebuild the raft in order to have three print heads.
orionsrise1: @lord_hosk NOOOOOO anything but that!
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Sektor88: Troubleshooting printers are STILL the worst
LathosTiran: i sell printers....fuck printers
Erudite_Cynic: Work for a Uni IT. Can confirm
itomeshi: Only good printers are high-end enterprise lasers where you can get a service manual. :)
nullrush: so is the intent to have an infrared tally light?
Skudd: I spent all last summer helping people with printer issues. It was uh... not the most fun job I've ever had.
orionsrise1: @lord_hosk to be fair, we already know that their password for everything is dickbutt
Jill_P: am mechanical engineer. can confirm- if it moves, it breaks
VantaBeige: I have to deal with my printer throwing hissy fits all the time. Oh the joys of being able to print in both ABS and PLA
Anaerin: nullrush: They're going to use red LEDs, not IR ones.
wordmogul: At my old job, I learned how to take apart and reassemble our printer because it jammed so much.
nullrush: ah, cool cool
Erudite_Cynic: HP 4000 Laserjets Kreygasm
pblackcoat: Oh god why would you swap between them?
nullrush: does this printer auto-level?
NovaGirl5: It does not
TheExactSame: mmmmm. code
VantaBeige: Eh, no reason, I like printing tiny chainmail pieces in ABS vs PLA
offbeatwitch: filesystem issues, probably
offbeatwitch: could reformat it
SketchyDetails: I love pauls naming chemata. "Niftally"
P4r7YG0D: at some poiunt are you goign to set up a Pi with octoprint?
itomeshi: Formatted exfat possibly?
Lord_Hosk: We have had the same printer for 17 years, ink is getting increasingly expensive to the point we might want to replace it, but in that time, my parents have had 4 printers break on them
offbeatwitch: lol neat socket.io fuckery
Tomasu82: mp select minin is known to not like sd xc or many sdhc cards. get a 1-4gb card preferably sd or sdhc ... a good brand too
Anaerin: Or you could send to the broadcast address.
offbeatwitch: our ol' reliable printer EOL'd at some point and the Brother one stopped printing black ink
orionsrise1: got to take a break chat
Sektor88: oh, like ipv6 broadcast?
DarkMorford: Good old 192.168.0.255
Sektor88: ahh UDP, right.
Anaerin: like IPv4 broadcast.
offbeatwitch: basically every layer of the stack has broadcast
EJGRgunner: Tally?
offbeatwitch: at layer 2 you have ethernet broadcast on FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Anaerin: EJGRgunner: The "On Air" lights on professional cameras.
Anaerin: Afraid not.
Jill_P: i have never seen an ipad that large. Impressive!
pblackcoat: Never a better time to learn!
seantheman2: so what is tonight's project
Jorge4hg: with tape paul!
NovaGirl5: Tally light
Sektor88: @offbeatwitch Yeah, all of that was in the back of my brain and fresh when I was still doing more network focused stuff. I've moved to a bit more speciazed tech roles nowadays. :P
seantheman2: what's a Tally light?
pblackcoat: @seantheman2 scroll up a bit
Anaerin: seantheman2: It's a light on a camera that let's a performer know that camera is the currently active one.
offbeatwitch: i'm getting into lots of networking shenanigans as of late
Sektor88: I still do some network shenanigans at my job, but not as much anymore. Now I'm very specific hardware guy™
offbeatwitch: @LoadingReadyRun you could try reformatting the current one
Simonark: I wondered if Tally needed them to do some lights or something.
Erudite_Cynic: get the ones from the AUS trip? they are 16gb
ContingentCat: thicc SD card
itomeshi: You should be able to make a small FAT partition
offbeatwitch: format it to fat32 or something, most things recognize that
Jill_P: There's got to be one around attached to a ladel
seantheman2: @Anaerin gotcha. I've never heard of it until now
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Mordin_Solus_Sings: Are the Australian 16GB cards laying around?
offbeatwitch: I did a calculation for a piece of coursework
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DarkNacht: mega-SD cards
seantheman2: @Anaerin oh wait it's part of the camera. that explains it
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NovaGirl5: What happened to the Micro SD I sent with it? That one worked.
Tomasu82: the mini is picky about sd cards. but supports usb just fine and last time i tried cura knew how to talk to it.
Anaerin: MicroSD cards: Phenomenal Storage Power! Itty-bitty physical size!
KarnEvil: i love the pictures out there of the bus sized hard disks from back in the day with someone holding a sd card beside it
pblackcoat: "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon barreling down the highway with the back filled to the brim with micro-SD cards"
Sektor88: I once held a 300 MB platter storage device for a mainframe. It was about 30 popunds and looked like a cake carrier
LoadingReadyRun: pblackcoat classic
Sektor88: @pblackcoat so what's that in mbps?
Lord_Hosk: My very first Hard drive was 100MB, I send pictures bigger than that... regularly
pblackcoat: (I'm old enough that was "floppy disks" the first time I heard it)
itomeshi: FAT32 has a max of 32GB. As long as the partition is below 32GB, you'll be fine.
Rockario: I love looking inside "reasonably sized" thumb drives nowadays to see that most of it is empty space, and the memory is the smallest part of the electronics
offbeatwitch: something I calculated: "Recently, 1TB microSD cards have become available to consumers; a 250ml soda can’s worth of those cards would hold approximately 1,500 TB of data."
P4r7YG0D: BuildTak :D
Sektor88: I still safely unmount because paraoia and Mac OS demands it, so I do it on windows too.
Tomasu82: itomeshi, but not all devices support those sizes
P4r7YG0D: 3D printing is mah jam I love this stream
Lord_Hosk: Should have unmounted it
offbeatwitch: on windows you can generally yank
offbeatwitch: on linux you gotta unmount
korvys: @LoadingReadyRun As someone else mentioned, G bought 16gb cards during PAXAus
Jorge4hg: don't give it a gun
korvys: (it was in the vlog)
Sektor88: Depends, Paul. My boss had some horror stories about his failed 3D printjobs LUL
pblackcoat: nah, not after 2.8
itomeshi: @Tomasu82 In terms of card size, yes, but that's rare these days.
NovaGirl5: By the way, Chat, What should we name the 3d Printer?
offbeatwitch: gary
ContingentCat: kevin
Sektor88: Tina
gawag_: james
Sektor88: Turnip?
LoadingReadyRun: I call it Three-pio
korvys: @NovaGirl5 Can this printer connect via usb?
AffinityForFun: Teeth?
DarkNacht: 3D PintLRR
pblackcoat: (or, it's more accurate to say that the 2.8 kernel allowed to unmount devices that wren't currently streaming to the /dev ring)
Tomasu82: itomeshi, that printer is one of those things. its a slow embedded arm chip and the firmware is garbage. it is super picky about its sd and fs support
Jill_P: Print Barton?
NovaGirl5: @korvys yes
pblackcoat: @DarkNacht YES
ANTRat: Printy mcprintface (with a face printed)
korvys: @LoadingReadyRun Connect the printer via usb?
ContingentCat: a grocery bag? wait is this a cooking stream as well? a lot going on tonight
Tomasu82: they just said they dont want the print to fail if the laptop crashes
offbeatwitch: oh yeah, it's absolutely a thing
korvys: Oh
Skudd: I mean, failing a phone you could always sub in an RPi and a cheap LCD display
Anonymousless: Hello TTSF! I’m watching from work while I’m on break
P4r7YG0D: @ContingentCat Yep they're 3D printing in chocolate
itomeshi: Ah, yup, I see now - no SDXC support. Eww.
Tomasu82: i use a rpi with octoprint cause i dislike messing with sdcards. but sdcards are stable... :D
ForOhForError: Yeah finding a suitable sd card is hard
NovaGirl5: @itomeshi It's a budget Chinese rebadge to be fair
Tomasu82: itomeshi, not even just that. the printer also doesnt like many sdhc cards.
ForOhForError: fortunately i still had a 2GB card from my wii homebrew days
Tomasu82: it depends on the brand and model...
korvys: @LoadingReadyRun Ian, have you consided a future project - Adding wifi to the printer, via a Raspberry Pi?
P4r7YG0D: "we made an IR Tally system" why? " so the robots know which camera to talk into"
Sektor88: @P4r7YG0D so the robots could communicate with Tally koboldKappa2
Lord_Hosk: Now Paul is claiming He are Tally ;)
P4r7YG0D: Octoprint stream!~
offbeatwitch: LOL
Sektor88: Octoprint Traveler Kappa
sivakrytos: wifi. _inside of the printer_
Tomasu82: oh right it does. i just never use it... lol
itomeshi: Oh, wow, it's worse than that: https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/questions/5247/what-is-the-largest-microsd-card-that-a-monoprice-select-mini-can-read The card must have an MMC interface? Ugh.
NovaGirl5: @LoadingReadyRun Ian, it dumb don't use it. You need to download a chinese app for a phone.
ANTRat: 'not very good' wifi is still better than 'not able to print because I don't have the sd card'
P4r7YG0D: idk @ANTRat i'd rather have something not printing than printing poorly
Tomasu82: i think you might still need an sd card to use the wifi though. has to save the stl somewhere iirc?
Tomasu82: not sure though. been a long time
korvys: gcode, but yeah, maybe
korvys: I don't know if it would have internal storage
Tomasu82: oh right yes. gcode. derp.
korvys: I know my CR10 doesn't
offbeatwitch: most LEDs operate in the 2V range
NovaGirl5: Here's the user manual for the printer for the armchair troubleshooters https://downloads.monoprice.com/files/manuals/21711_Manual_170328.pdf
offbeatwitch: at 5V usually a 330 Ohm resistor brings the voltage to the correct level
Tomasu82: younmalso dont have to use the app. theres alternative web uis for it.
Anaerin: So, where's the replacement 3rd party firmware? :D
phorrestgaze: he already knows it's dumb and is proceeding anyway
Phailhammer: Coming up next on TTSF: Paul shows you how to remove Chinese malware from a network. lrrBEEJ
Lord_Hosk: If you like that App... I have a great Russian Malware site you should visit... free games, free movies, free books, free cars
offbeatwitch: oh boy! multiplier time
Anaerin: I always have problems with resistors, what with being colourblind and all.
Tomasu82: Anerin, its not ready yrt iirc. someone has been working on porting marlin to it.. but its an uncommon 32bit arm mcu
Rockario: Resistors are like armadillos
VantaBeige: > you wouldn't download a car
Rockario: Wow, Paul got there while I was typing
offbeatwitch: new quote, that
Jackomaning: This is all like some sort of magic that's also in a foreign language to me. I've never been taught anything about anything that's going on but it's fascinating to see
jadedcynic: I would, if I could
KodeMage: @VantaBeige I absolutely would...
NovaGirl5: With a 3d printer, you can literally download a car
VantaBeige: A bugatti at that
Tomasu82: but i havent checked lately.
offbeatwitch: resistors: surprisingly armadillo like
jadedcynic: takes a while, NovaGirl5
NovaGirl5: It was actually the first thing I did
DarkMorford: @LoadingReadyRun for a 1k resistor you want brown black red gold
Phailhammer: The good news: You can download a car. The bad news: It's a Trabant.
Tomasu82: i downloaed a boat
El_Spectre: Reading resistor colors is like being able to do math in hex... it's insta geek cred.
e_bloc: cheer50
offbeatwitch: (violet brown grey)
VantaBeige: @Phailhammer after the Hat Films videos, I would take a trabant
NovaGirl5: I've never actually printed a Benchy
offbeatwitch: "maybe you should put those resistors down and come outside for a while"
Phailhammer: VantaBeige Wait, what?
Tomasu82: i found it was a decent test. and cubes..
Phailhammer: VantaBeige: I've been out of the loop on HatFilms for a while. Maybe I should go back...
Styxseus: "You wouldn't download a car.." *boots up 3D printer* "OH YEAH?"
VantaBeige: @Phailhammer They bought one, made a couple driving around in it vlogs, then wrecked it in a race I believe
El_Spectre: The gold is tolerance
offbeatwitch: look for the gold or silver band
jadedcynic: thank you, cori
Phailhammer: VantaBeige: :D
DoodlestheGreat: And Cori for the win!
Lord_Hosk: LOL
itomeshi: Cori with the save. :)
Sektor88: Cori koboldLul pogonaLUL
Tomasu82: haha
El_Spectre: bigendian vs littleendian strikes again :)
tim19862: gold will be the last one, unless it's <1 Ohm iirc
tim19862: or a different tolerance
offbeatwitch: also generally for 4-bands the tolerance is right up on the bulge
offbeatwitch: iirc
SnowBuddy18: don't let Beej know, he'll come organize it
Aziraphalesshop: I knew an electrical engineer who was colorblind and had to invent his own system for his parts bn.
TacitusVigil: Beej Organizes the Entire Thing
Lord_Hosk: There arent as many drugs as you think there are
offbeatwitch: usb soldering iron time?
Lord_Hosk: also a lot of it is class
NovaGirl5: All the colours know to man, and a few known oly to dolphin
tehcrashxor: Two toned pills? Is that a Canadian thing?
DoodlestheGreat: Mmmmmm.... powders.
offbeatwitch: quickcharge is the older "standard"
ContingentCat: or it's types of pills not specific ones
offbeatwitch: power delivery is new and better tho
Anaerin: Aziraphalesshop: The school I went to had the ratings for resistors printed on the tape that held them.
Rockario: Maybe the pill colours are like snakes: you only need to know certain colours so you don't accidentally kill someone
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tim19862: Are the "soldering fingers" to hold a PCB?
NovaGirl5: It was an almost new roll when I sent it. It was the wrong colour of pink the project I bought it for
Iraeda: @Rockario i mean.. you can kill someone with ANY medication regardless of fancy colours :x
VantaBeige: I forgot a battery case for a friend of mine who vapes, Transparent Red PLA with Gyroid infill, it looked amazing
Tomasu82: ive used AMZ3D and Spool3D (place from calgary). both are good. the spool3d stuff is better but a bit pricier.
Lord_Hosk: Coat them with Mint Chocolate chip Ice cream
Aziraphalesshop: @Anaerin That's definitely a good idea
offbeatwitch: tasty
Anaerin: tim19862: The "Soldering Fingers" are the fingers on your hand that have had their temperature sensing nerves burnt out from repeated touches of the soldering iron.
DarkMorford: I am bread(board)
tim19862: katesLol Anaerin
7gorobei: loading bready run
offbeatwitch: i've only had 1 or 2 run-ins with the ol' solder fingers
NovaGirl5: You folks have certainly come prepared today XD
Tomasu82: TTSF: DO IT LIVE.
tehcrashxor: TOS! no stripping!
DarkMorford: HORNER! Phrasing!
darkalter2000: Why not run a little power to see what side is green or red?
NovaGirl5: Ian "strip job" Horner
korvys: Ian "Stripping the hard way" Horner
Asimech: @korvys Somehow that sounds worse than Ian "Stripper" Horner.
stevengr123: Jesus, you are so right, korvys
NovaGirl5: Thicc Shrink tube?
Anaerin: Do we need to get TTSF some auto-strippers?
offbeatwitch: "stripping the hard way" lmao
El_Spectre: With your teeth?
Roadhog123: 3rd, 4th and 5th hands. :P
stevengr123: I wouldn't be surprised if they made some autostrippers
dialMforMara: if you bought that piece of equipment at Goodwill, would it be a secondhand third hand?
Anaerin: Long leg is the cathode (negative).
itomeshi: Never use the clamps after stripping.
offbeatwitch: solder first, trim later
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jadedcynic: ever forward, never learning
El_Spectre: stevengr123 , I've owned a pair for decades. It even ejects the now severed plastic
offbeatwitch: cori: electrical engineering witch
ContingentCat: Safety third
flatluigi: solder from the bottom now we here
stevengr123: Nice!
Anaerin: Auto-strippers.
El_Spectre: Only downside is they're kinda bulky
offbeatwitch: the self-adjusting strippers are Nice
stevengr123: But if you have to make a bunch of cables, so worth it.
offbeatwitch: i've used em on thicker cable
Rockario: I'm having flashbacks to grade 10 electronics class and trying to solder LEDs to pennies
Iraeda: I can imagine Cori just going... plz...no... stop...fine... off camera :x
StalePieceofWhiteBread: So Ian, are you self-taught or did you learn stuff like this in school?
stevengr123: Everything's a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.
NovaGirl5: Well I've got to go. If Three-pio explodes and kills all of LRR, I apologize.
Anonymousless: Ok, back to work. Later!
Anaerin: Three-Dio, surely. :D
StalePieceofWhiteBread: 10 electricity
Lord_Hosk: 10 voltage just as Thomas intended
StalePieceofWhiteBread: @Anaerin You thought it was soldering, but it was THREE-DIO ALL ALONG
Anaerin: Exactly. :D
Iraeda: 3DO? the gaming syste?
stevengr123: NANI
Tomasu82: yes i do intend 10 voltage.
NovaGirl5: Ian, Heat up the hot end and use it to shrink tube
El_Spectre: Do you guys have a heat gun? It'd be super useful for TTSF, as well as wiring in the office
stevengr123: So I missed the beginning of this. What is a tally light?
raufio: I've seen it done in a pinch
NovaGirl5: I light that summons Tally
Asimech: @stevengr123 Notifies people which camera is live.
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Man, I had something like that the other day on Mastodon. Someone went on about how like, they made a paragraph on like all this math and like, so much of it was believable
stevengr123: Nice.
Anaerin: stevengr123: It's the "On Air" light on a camera that lets a performer know where they should be looking
StalePieceofWhiteBread: As an actor, math isn't my strong-suit
stevengr123: Nice
KodeMage: they should also have an "on-air" light outside each studio
Anaerin: Wire in the top, Solder in the back.
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Mullet Electronics
Rockario: G. Round
Asimech: @StalePieceofWhiteBread Or: eMullet
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StalePieceofWhiteBread: @Asimech tm tm tm tm tm tm tm
Anaerin: Testing NOT in production? What heresy is this!?
Skudd: Literal actual definition of testing
Iraeda: but testing causes learning
StalePieceofWhiteBread: <3 It's like testing. It *is* testing, but it's like it too
StalePieceofWhiteBread: well, do go away if you need to poop
TehAmelie: i'll go to bed if i want to!
TehAmelie: i'm not tired!
stevengr123: NO. NO POOPING
TehAmelie: wait
DarkNacht: I'm going away. I need food and to use the restroom and you can't stop me
stevengr123: NO. NO STOPPING
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AalderFlawn: Short break?
El_Spectre: yep
AalderFlawn: Got it
TehAmelie: it's sort of like a commercial break, but the only commercials are for LRR
Feldheim_C: mmm, varenyky...
TehAmelie: it's like watching public service TV. . .
StalePieceofWhiteBread: But actually fun!
AalderFlawn: Howdy
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Hi dads :D
DNAli3n: heyo
TehAmelie: hi again
Anaerin: Code().sort(ASC);
korvys: Can you get blackness on Amazon?
El_Spectre: Ian/Paul, if I tried to send you a heat gun, is it likely to get blocked at the border?
StalePieceofWhiteBread: that's what I call elegant code
AalderFlawn: Complete blackness, like my commander deck
DNAli3n: any knowledge of an eventual pre-prerelease for war of the spark?
Anaerin: Oh hey, you're NOT using Broadcast, you're using Multicast! Much better in terms of network usage.
Type_One___: cheer100
Lord_Hosk: There will likely be one based on the overwhelming success of previous events DNAli3n
AalderFlawn: I want to see someone take a balista to the chest in War of the spark.
DNAli3n: @Lord_Hosk thank you :D so hyped
Feldheim_C: Remember kids, Pierogi should not be made in the microwave [/cH reference]
AalderFlawn: You sank my battleship!
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StalePieceofWhiteBread: SURFACE OF THE SUN
El_Spectre: Keep it under 5 million watts, got it.
Anaerin: As long as it's under 5 million Kelvin, you should be good.
AalderFlawn: I love to see old chunky laptops. brings back memories.
korvys: @DarkMorford Do you have a link to buy this esp8266 board?
Thisbymaster: is this C or C++?
DarkMorford: Gimme a minute
StalePieceofWhiteBread: This is testing
DoodlestheGreat: "There are may ES boards. This one is mine. Someday, this board may save my life." CHAccepted
Thisbymaster: ok, Micropython
El_Spectre: "JavaScript, yay!". Congrats on the novel phrase :) (this from a guy who's been writing it for 20 years)
AalderFlawn: Javascript is my jam.
jubale1: name change to Fries?
Sektor88: better over than under, right?
Anaerin: 6.5v? It's overachieving...
UnseenAcademical: As a Java developer, Javascript confuses me to no end sometimes.
El_Spectre: It's a good language with a ton of crappy implementations.
Anaerin: Sektor88: If you don't mind burning out your LEDs...
DarkMorford: Something's not right here... the D1 mini is supposed to be a 3.3V board.
DNAli3n: it werks
KodeMage: show us
Sektor88: @Anaerin IIRC Ian said something about udnervolting ruining circuits more than overvolting, but I'm not an EE, so fuck if I know :P
Thisbymaster: twice the voltage?
AalderFlawn: MS basic is my favorite language though
Sektor88: Also isn't there some tolerance for variance?
Tomasu82: 6.5 is a tad high. but it may go to proper voltage when its loaded.. oh is he testing between two signal pins?
UnseenAcademical: I just don't understand the basic things about Javascript like how it works with functions and where it goes to find data. But that might be the implementations I work with.
Mysticman89: as long as you're not melting your LEDs thats fine though right?
StalePieceofWhiteBread: oops
jubale1: they are making lights?
Skudd: I've been learning Javascript this semester and actually picking it up quite well.
AalderFlawn: This show makes me feel inadequate, and I am a chemist.
StalePieceofWhiteBread: @jubale1 tally lights! Basically a little light you put above cameras so performers know where to look
Mysticman89: tally light is the biz name right? and its not "We used to get tally to just point at the relevent camera so we named it after her :)"
Sektor88: yes
Sektor88: actual name
StalePieceofWhiteBread: @AalderFlawn Ugh saaaame. Except I'm not technically inclined so this is basically magic to me
RTWarner: Much more like irc than typical web traffic.
WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: @Mysticman89 i just got here and this is what i was thinking
Sektor88: @AalderFlawn I suck at chemistry but work with tech, so we're even :P
El_Spectre: Seconded. Chemistry is mystical shit
AalderFlawn: @StalePieceofWhiteBread Well, we have a dedicated lab tech that deals with all the electronics. I didn't go to school to fool with circuits and stuff.
DarkMorford: Paul, I know this really good UDP joke, but I'm not sure you'd get it.
jubale1: now if they can install a temporal flux circuit on that, it'll be perfect!
cryptogamby: Chemistry is just peer reviewed alchemy
jubale1: @DarkMorford lol
Sektor88: @DarkMorford boooo
El_Spectre: DarkMorford , ACK
Tomasu82: udp is not guaranteed. fun. youd want to send multiple packets to ensure it gets there
StalePieceofWhiteBread: @cryptogamby no lies detected
jubale1: @El_Spectre no ACK
P4r7YG0D: Hey Chat. ACK
El_Spectre: bwahaha.
Tomasu82: udp is fire and forget.
AalderFlawn: So when do we put the flux capacitor on this thing?
WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: @DarkMorford ... i don't get it can explain pls
WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: oooooooooooh
WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: i just got it
Sektor88: @WhaDidBeejPutInDPie pogonaLUL
El_Spectre: They're not listening...
AalderFlawn: SO what are tally lights for? Someone enlighten a chemist here.
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Basically a little light you put above cameras so performers know where to look
ContingentCat: lets the people on camera know which is on
PunkRockZoologist: @whadidbeejputindpie I'm still lost
Sektor88: @AalderFlawn it's pretty much a "this is the lvie camera" light
AalderFlawn: Got it.
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Mmm, metal smoke
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korvys: Ian, do not smell the smoke
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Sektor88: Magic smoke good for computer, bad for lungs
dialMforMara: can someone add "don't inhale the delicious-smelling smoke" to advice?
StalePieceofWhiteBread: @korvys listen to them Ian, dont' smell the amazing smelling smoke
ContingentCat: !advice
LRRbot: Slide down the meatball stairs.
LoadingReadyRun: ian has already had an encounter with the smoke
Anaerin: Doesn't the other end of those diodes have to be connected to something?
ritchards: Yep, that's a full Events page!
Tomasu82: yeah, long term exposure to burning flux is no bueno. fans are good if you solder a lot. i have a big filter by my solder statiom
WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: @PunkRockZoologist UDP helps to tell you when you received something via network. meaning you got it. so its "i know a UDP joke but i'm not sure you'd get it" as in not sure you got the signal via network...
StalePieceofWhiteBread: @Tomasu82 I assume it's like, carcinogenic?
Tomasu82: all kimds of bad
Tomasu82: kinds
AalderFlawn: I keep hearing D6 and D7 and keep thinking of Battleship
UnseenAcademical: @AalderFlawn I keep going "Bingo!" somewhere in my head.
Anaerin: WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: Isn't it "I have a UDP joke and I don't care if you get it"
El_Spectre: What, no solder sucker?
korvys: Manual scraping?
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Almost certainly licking
LoadingReadyRun: El_Spectre i know right
scott1e: The least fun way is with your teeth.
Tomasu82: i really want to get a desolder pump. wick is ok but them pumps are great for through hole parts
WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: @Anaerin i don't know this is the first time i've heard it
thunderbird32: I hate solder suckers. They're so awkward to use
Mysticman89: reverse pressure isn't quite as fun as negative friction
AalderFlawn: The least fun way is with your fingernail
StalePieceofWhiteBread: give it a succ
AalderFlawn: Pliers are for babies
jubale1: next project!
El_Spectre: True, but they make such a satisfying sound
Skudd: That's how you burn your fingers, Ian
Anaerin: WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: UDP is stateless. There is no guarantee that packets sent will be recieved, nor in what order they arrive. TCP, on the other hand, has acknowledgements for every packets, and retransmission if packets are lost.
AalderFlawn: *Thunk*
Rockario: Sensetive to heat is what I think we're worriedd about
StalePieceofWhiteBread: kfoop
Tomasu82: lol
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Ah and that's... bad
StalePieceofWhiteBread: ?
Anaerin: WhaDidBeejPutInDPie: The TCP joke looks like this: https://i.redd.it/qh4d5zjipjbz.png
Tomasu82: yeah, no need to tin when you have normal through hole parts. just heat the part AND pad at the same time. not the solder.
Anaerin: Here's the UDP joke: https://i.redd.it/dp54vbgsbpbz.png
niccus: were internet messages or hard drives the ones that are a larger eternity relative to processor time
DarkNacht: Internet
VTMonster: oooh, a 4D printer
DarkNacht: But HDD access is basically eternity
The_Lesser_Gatsby: Is it at 5V or 3.3V?
Anaerin: And here's an example of a somewhat famous exploit: https://i.imgur.com/tWhth3G.png
StalePieceofWhiteBread: @VTMonster uh
StalePieceofWhiteBread: @VTMonster so like... it prints time?
VTMonster: @StalePieceofWhiteBread well what it prints lasts more than an instant
DarkMorford: Ian, are you sure that LED is common-cathode?
Sirius2010: abnormally long break?
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Lord_Hosk: If at first you dont succeed, the equipment is bad
offbeatwitch: it's either common cathode or common anode
Doc_Layzah: 2 positive, 1 negative?
offbeatwitch: so either ground is common or 5V is common
Tomasu82: multi color leds have either a single ground or a single vcc..
Sirius2010: how long have we been back from break? I had to refresh for it to come back
offbeatwitch: leg length
Tomasu82: test it with the multi meter
Tomasu82: diode mode
DarkMorford: Can't really tell by looking. Need to check the datasheet.
El_Spectre: So they might be pumping 1.5V into it, hence the dim light?
raufio: some have a flattened leg
RoyEltham: it wouldn't light up if it was backwards
offbeatwitch: the clue is in the "diode" part
Feldheim_C: Here's my question: Can they program a HCF protocol into the board? Kappa
dialMforMara: the D stands for diode, Ian
Doc_Layzah: diode test on multimeter is good idea
RoyEltham: also, voltage isn't the issue, it's current
RoyEltham: and the pin probably can't deliver enough current
RoyEltham: to make it bright
Doc_Layzah: long leg is positive if I remember right
Tomasu82: flip it to win it!
DarkMorford: Usually the longer leg is the negative end, but there's no guarantee of that.
Doc_Layzah: also if you try it wrong, there's a decent chance you cook it
CorruptDropbear: wait we're live?
ContingentCat: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 1:41:01.
offbeatwitch: @Doc_Layzah nah the breakdown voltage for LEDs is high ish
Tomasu82: doc, nah. not usually. depends on the voltage and current.
Lord_Hosk: Darkmorford you are in Seattle right... Just call into work tomorrow and go up to fix it for them Kappa
RoyEltham: yes Paul is right
offbeatwitch: get a 5V supply and just touch it to pins until it lights up
Sirius2010: @CorruptDropbear did you get stuck on the break screen as well:?
RoyEltham: dim on an LED means correct wiring, just not enough current
Tomasu82: oh yeah, some signal pins migjht not give you the 10 or 20 miliamps you need
Doc_Layzah: @offbeatwitch but a multimeter in the wrong mode can overvoltage, yes?
Tomasu82: or too high resistor value
Anaerin: You can always dike out the resistor.
Gohtar: lower value resistor
offbeatwitch: probably 330 ohm
xantos69: I mean...You can always plug it into the wall if you want more current. But I would advise against that.
Tomasu82: no resistor may cook the signal pin
mariomario42: !d6
DarkNacht: What is the voltage the LED is expecting?
offbeatwitch: I doubt your multimeter will overvoltage an LED
Anaerin: DarkNacht: ~3v
El_Spectre: xantos, it'l almost certain make some light, briefly, at least :)
xantos69: @El_Spectre Test Success?
CorruptDropbear: I'm stuck on the "Nintendo Switch Online for a Year" screen
Doc_Layzah: good to know
RoyEltham: the 8266 is a 3.3v chip, so them having 6.5v is pretty wrong
El_Spectre: Any sighting of the Magic Smoke is some kind of success
Tomasu82: the current sink/source capability of the esp pins is probably low and almost certainly 3.3v
Feldheim_C: @El_Spectre define "success"...
RoyEltham: there has to be a component on there that is taking the USB power down to 3.3v
offbeatwitch: so assuming that the LED drops 2V
offbeatwitch: time for trust V=IR
Tomasu82: the board will have a voltage regulator
StalePieceofWhiteBread: "you're supposed to be hotter than that." Sounds like my first time.
RoyEltham: What is the specific dev board they are using?
Tomasu82: usb voltage is... notmperfect
CorruptDropbear: wiimote?
CorruptDropbear: so it's for the wii
DarkMorford: Looks like the ESP8266 can only source 12 mA, which might be why the LED is coming out dim.
Tomasu82: id check the wimo specs but im on my tablet... too painful
offbeatwitch: ok so according to my calculations assuming a 2V LED at 20mA you'd want around 65 ohms of resistance
Tomasu82: 12ma is fine for many leds bit youll need a low value resistor.
korvys: So way less?
Doc_Layzah: kiloohm sounds high
Doc_Layzah: for a current limiter
Tomasu82: 65ohm < 1k
RoyEltham: your logic pin should not be reeading 6.5v
offbeatwitch: that's 1000 ohms, yes
RoyEltham: it should be 3.3v
couldntpickausername: hullo chut
Tomasu82: 100 should work
couldntpickausername: hullo Iun and Paul
DarkMorford: Yeah, you want 80-100 ohms in there, not 1000.
Tomasu82: different color leds can also use different voltage and current
CorruptDropbear: could also just be defective
Feldheim_C: hullo @couldntpickausername
offbeatwitch: usually they range from 1.9 to 2.1V
offbeatwitch: so it's not too far off
Tomasu82: reds want higher voltage iirc. lower resistor
RoyEltham: red and green have different voltage levels, thus you need different resisters for each
DarkNacht: Is it a green/IR LED?
Anaerin: DarkNacht: I don't think those are a thing.
RoyEltham: are you sure your logic pin was at 6.5v ?
Tomasu82: try a different led heh
offbeatwitch: without any resistors should at least light up for a bit before exploding
DarkMorford: The voltages for red and green aren't that different, though.
Anaerin: RoyEltham: That's what the multimeter showed.
CorruptDropbear: FRY ALL THE LEDS! Jebaited
Tomasu82: cheap leds are like... 50/50
Doc_Layzah: for future reference, I find it handy to have a button battery handy for testing LEDs while I'm working with them. They have a hard time pushing too much current and let you know if they're working
RoyEltham: is he using 5v right now?
RoyEltham: or 3.3v?
jubale1: LRR, do you huse breadboards to test these before solder?
tim19862: katesLol
SquareDotCube: I'm curious Cori, how much electronic components has Ian fried in his tinkering?
korvys: Can you use the 5v side?
KodeMage: ah, classic developer throw the other guy under the bus
StalePieceofWhiteBread: *hug* be nice to Ian <3
Tomasu82: depends if hes sinking or sourcing with the io pin
TyrantTaco: Don't use the 5v side for arduino LED's they will burn out
RoyEltham: the 5v line is just the power from the USB
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Research? THAT SOUNDS LIKE LEARNING
LoadingReadyRun: SquareDotCube I think just a couple chips for Dreamcast
El_Spectre: "Sounds like a hardware problem". Sounds like a software guy :)
tim19862: Ian katesHug2
RoyEltham: the gpio pins should all be 3.3v
couldntpickausername: I think it's time to just admit the strawpoll thing is kind of done. I was 'taking a break' but I realized I'm kind of out of ideas and chat's engagement had definitely dropped off with it so if I feel like it one TTSF maybe. Thanks to everyone for playing along with the fun and thank zoidberg none of the injuries ever actually happened.
Tomasu82: ie which way then led is nhooked up. pos to pin or to 3.3
Tomasu82: id offer help but im just a noob hobyist to just sounds like hen knows what hes talking about some of the time
CorruptDropbear: This is the part where you go "Here's one I made earlier!" and pull a mobile phone out of the oven.
RoyEltham: you can hook the LED up either way. it just changes whether high or low state = on or off
tim19862: katesWave RoyEltham lrrAWESOME
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LoadingReadyRun: couldntpickausername We appreciate the work you put in and it's totally fine to step back if you feel like it
Doc_Layzah: @Tomasu82 is totally right. GPIO can often be set to pull up or pull down depending if you feed sink or source.
DarkMorford: Oh no
Tomasu82: roy, indeed but the current capability and voltage you can get depends on whichnway. and it needs to be setup to sink opr source
Doc_Layzah: no
DarkMorford: Connecting the LED directly between V+ and Ground will almost certainly fry it.
tim19862: kaypikeTHANKYOU couldntpickausername
Doc_Layzah: either from ground up to 3.3V or from 3.3 to ground
RoyEltham: Tomasu82 correct
El_Spectre: Free the magic smoke!
couldntpickausername: @LoadingReadyRun and thank you and the rest of the crew for your good humor with them
Tomasu82: npt quite... theres a pull up and pull down mode on the pin when in output iirc
Tomasu82: usually
RoyEltham: the gpio pins putting out 6.5 is very wrong
jubale1: a multiplying meter
Tomasu82: something is doubling im sure ofmit
Anaerin: A Multi(plication) Meter.
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Bad tools!
Fruan: Are you sure those resistors don't have negative resistance?
RoyEltham: use the multimeter to test between ground and the 3.3v pin
Tomasu82: but 6.5 / 2 == 3.25 which is just fine
planeswalkagogo: Greetings Ian! Apprentice Electrician here! Check your multimeter against a known value, such as a wall outlet, assuming your meter is rated for it
Doc_Layzah: "digitalWrite(pin, HIGH); // turn on pullup resistors"
ContingentCat: Sometimes you get what you pay for
Doc_Layzah: battery?
Tomasu82: i dont think he wants to use that meter on ac lol
Anaerin: A nice PP3.
Lord_Hosk: Check off Pauls Ears... what Voltage does Paul run on?
Tomasu82: the digital pins should do 3.3 since it riuns on 3.3 unless the board boosts the io pins
Earthenone: pride51
Doc_Layzah: 1.3
xantos69: @LoadingReadyRun You had a bad time plugging a multi-meter into the wall.....ONCE? Did you try again?!?!?
planeswalkagogo: I can't say I'm familiar with his particular model, I know that some can automatically do AC/DC
Anaerin: 1.25 for a rechargable.
orionsrise1: Bring forth a battery with witch to act as tribute!
LordZarano: Hubble Space Telescope had that problem. The device they used to test the curvature of the main mirror was wrong.
Tomasu82: wrong voltage mpde?
Anaerin: DC not AC
ContingentCat: So next time on TTSF troubleshooting the multmeter?
Mysticman89: some DC versus AC setting?
CorruptDropbear: Always make sure you press the Turbo button, people. sbfpSetIn
El_Spectre: Being in the wrong range oughta make you off by factors of 10... presuming you were in DC
planeswalkagogo: also Ian: curse you for getting me into sewing
Ckiva: my preferred method is to turn the dial on the multimeter until it gives me a number i can work with
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Tomasu82: testing with thimgs connected to pins can cause issues sometimes
MechaKuuga: The last thing I soldered blew up after I plugged it in
Tomasu82: the wavy line V is AC mode. straight line V is DC
Doc_Layzah: @MechaKuuga was it supposed to?
Jorge4hg: i think that multimeter is ghosted
MechaKuuga: @Doc_Layzah No
Tomasu82: press hard into the pads
Ckiva: dc lyfe
ContingentCat: haunted multimeter? lrrSPOOP ?
planeswalkagogo: @Ckiva this is correct. Start at your highest range, and reduce until you get a number in the higher range of the scale you've selected
offbeatwitch: I think my multimeter has auto-adjust
CorruptDropbear: Have you tried turning it off and then on again?
Lord_Hosk: Next week on Tinker, Troubleshoot Shoping trip to Fry's
Tomasu82: my super fancy meter only has auto mopde.
Doc_Layzah: WOO GOT THERE!
Tomasu82: its a bit slow tho
CorruptDropbear: IT WORKS
Tomasu82: nice!
RoyEltham: everything makes sense now
Anaerin: Also make sure your probes are in Voltage measurement, not amperage measurement. And keep them in voltage when you store it (as Amperage is a dead short)
El_Spectre: Manual ranging is good, provides a sanity check that you know what you are doing
offbeatwitch: that'll be AC mode
offbeatwitch: RMS
CorruptDropbear: Why do we even have that lever?!
StalePieceofWhiteBread: The classic "make everything not work right" switch
Tomasu82: Paul, its for measuring AC
Mysticman89: I think AC doubling kinda makes sense, since it would be imaging the wave was stickcing out into the negative direction too. kinda sorta makes sense if I dont think too hard.
planeswalkagogo: You aren't wrong, Paul
Tomasu82: nooone usually explains meters lol
Doc_Layzah: well there's your problem
Ckiva: visual ergonomics
korvys: UI
Lord_Hosk: Multimeters are a lot of "well that doesnt look right" (click) well now its showing nothing (click) no (click) YEAH thats what I want!
Tomasu82: EE = steep learning curve
RoyEltham: so Green LEDs typically work at around 3.4v forward voltage... red ones work around 2.1-2.4v forward
RoyEltham: so it's odd that the red led was dimmer
korvys: Turn the dial until it gives you a number you want.
DarkMorford: Ian/Paul, if you want, shoot me an email and we can set up a time to chat and/or troubleshoot stuff.
Tomasu82: led/ diode should tell you the forward voltage iirc
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Tomasu82: the mode that is
RoyEltham: if the meter has a diode testing mode
CorruptDropbear: Anonymous! Damn!
Ckiva: always read the instructions, even if you don't followt hem
KingXicorAndTheWarBoar: Generally the more towards blue in the rainbow, the higher the forward drop/
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divergentdave: Have they checked the ESP output pin current rating? Are they using resistors in series with the LEDs?
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KodeMage: do you have other colors, or just 2 colors?
Mysticman89: will they be birght enough to see at distance? Even bright LEDs may not exactly pop in a lit room
Doc_Layzah: Hooray for Arduino content!
Tomasu82: you guys did great :)
planeswalkagogo: I wish I had tuned in earlier to better apply my trade training
StalePieceofWhiteBread: Lets try!
KodeMage: you could color code the FNPF cameras
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