Snowcookies: hubris?
GapFiller: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Play it Forward (Cameron takes over the Play it Forward crown to do what he could, beat Bloodborne! Game: Bloodborne) at Thu 11:00 AM PDT (4m from now).
Notbri: Hi everyone who's early!
Snowcookies: Early squad jlrrIcream jlrrIcream jlrrIcream
Notbri: Can't wait to see Cam straight bottle Ludwig :)
TXC2: Hello Everybody
Snowcookies: jlrrIcream for the early ppl only
GapFiller: mmm eye cream
Notbri: icrem for the earlies??
Snowcookies: yes
TXC2: title change
CAKHost: Hewwo Eweyone!
GapFiller: small nitpick which maybe only TXC2 will get jlrrIcream doesnt have a flake in it
LRRTwitter: @loadingreadyrun> Cameron battles through the hunter's nightmare, but now faces Ludwig, who has opinions on our skills. More Bloodborne on Play it Forward! 📷 ||
Earthenone: lrrSIGNAL lrrFINE lrrSIGNAL
TXC2: GapFiller indeed it does not
TehAmelie: a signal has been sent
MutantIronMan: hey chat
TXC2: Hello MutantIronMan welcome
lirazel64: Signal received!
adi_pie: adipieRIP
TXC2: Hello adi_pie
DigitalSeahorse: adipieMog
adi_pie: Hello, TXC2 adipieHi
vmob: gooding!
ritchards: music is quiet
JaymicUnyielding: Literally JUST caught up on yesterday's. Excited to see Cam fight more DLC bosses!
JaymicUnyielding: Ludwig is fun. I can't wait for Lady Maria
Notbri: Does Ludwig lead directly to Fishing Village?
GapFiller: oh there is music
beckett_brass: Did I hear the sound of parrying?
GapFiller: its just virtually inaudible
Invitare: Fishing Village is after Maria I think
JaymicUnyielding: @Notbri I think Maria leads to the village
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Invitare: so Astral Clocktower is next?
adi_pie: Ludwig leads to the tower, and after that is Maria and the village.
Snowcookies: hello chat
Notbri: Oh I completely forgot about Maria!
beckett_brass: @Snowcookies Hello
TXC2: Hello Snowcookies welcome
PharaohBender27: Sanguine salutations! PrideWave
TXC2: Hello PharaohBender27 welcome
Action_Dan: The village is such a cool place.
JaymicUnyielding: Heymorrhage!
GapFiller: Prepa-
Invitare: Prepare to die
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: afternoon, chatfolk
TXC2: here we GO!......
beckett_brass: @ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa Hello
JaymicUnyielding: WHUZZAT SMELL
TXC2: Hello ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa welcome
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PharaohBender27: Sanguine salutations, @ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa and dang that's a lot of salsa
TXC2: Hello Cameron
GapFiller: good evening Cam lrrCAMERON lrrHEART
PharaohBender27: Coffee too hot again?
beckett_brass: Hi Cam
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: it's so much salsa, fitting for Bloodborne though
ritchards: HI Cam!
flikerz1: I know this feel so well
vmob: hello Cam!
lirazel64: Morning, Cam!
GamesAndInk: Hello Cam!
CAKHost: Hi Cameron!
GapFiller: ohhh that too fresh hot coffee feel
FlannelShirtEnthusist: Hello Cam.
scaendir: hi Cam
Snowcookies: morning Cam
beckett_brass: @ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa My question is, is it actually salsa?
amuseoffirebane: hi cam!
Notbri: Hi! Best of luck against the Horse of Horses!
JaymicUnyielding: lol
Leonhart321: Salutations Cam
PharaohBender27: Like, 90% of why I put milk or cream in coffee is to cool the dang thing down
Criiisiis: Hi everyone
Juliamon: Ah, the eternal battle: needing the caffeine but it's too hot
Snowcookies: I need to clip that later
NightValien28: good good
TXC2: super thought was gonna start playing that like a wind instrument :p
Malkaresh: Hi Cam! 'Allo Chat.
TXC2: Hello Juliamon
beckett_brass: @Malkaresh Hello
sterlingsojourner: Good luck against the horrible horse!
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Syncrine: Hey Cam, swing and dodge :P
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ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: it's definitely red and chunky, @beckett_brass
Invitare: I once saw someone beat her in about a minute. They weren't even a speedrunner
Invitare: just an idiot savant
Malkaresh: Did we kill Ebrietas?
GapFiller: Juliamon the too fresh hot coffee is humanitys deadliest invention yr always drink it right was yr pulling outta of the services back onto the motorway
Notbri: All the bosses of this DLC spell out the acronym LOLLL, so the game is laughing at our suffering
PharaohBender27: @Invitare Or just lucky
FlannelShirtEnthusist: Best of luck Cameron, I believe in you and will see you in VoDville
Malkaresh: I missed the end of the stream.
Leonhart321: Enjoying Ludwig?......Blink 3 times if you're not being held hostagr
CnCPOWERHOUR: Ludwig was the hardest fight for me outside of Orphan.
GamesAndInk: Wait there is fun in this game?
beckett_brass: @Leonhart321 *Blink blink blink*
Foxmar320: Hello Cam
PharaohBender27: @Malkaresh I feel like I missed it, too - I had thought things were wrapping up before we encountered Ludwig
sterlingsojourner: Ludwig was the most frustrating fight for me, even worse than orphan of K
Malkaresh: Saw the Bloody Crow fight. That was a hell of a thing. Beat him the legit way.
GapFiller: Foxmar320 yo
TXC2: hello Foxmar320
flikerz1: You could grab some bolt paper with your insight?
PharaohBender27: @Malkaresh Yeah, but at great cost :(
EvilBadman: It's an arcane flamesprayer
Malkaresh: @PharaohBender27 I'm sorry I missed the start of Ludwig, just happy to hopefully catch the victory today.
TXC2: "parkour!"
TehAmelie: i wish you could learn to throw weapons at enemies. just consume them for a chance at dealing tons of damage
Notbri: There's a cutscene when you hit Phase 3, so you'll have a second to catch your breath.
Invitare: Flamesprayer stunlocks Cleric Beast
PharaohBender27: @Malkaresh Eh, as I said I think I missed it too
Snowcookies: ew tos
TXC2: we should see a Doctor about that :P
lirazel64: That sounds very uncomfortable...
beckett_brass: @TXC2 Exactly what I was thinking lol
quasi79fu: sanguine salutations chat... Hope today is better day than cams previous play of bloodborne
TXC2: hello quasi79fu welcome
Notbri: I think this is the only boss that has a Tailcut, like I think you can break some of his arms.
beckett_brass: @quasi79fu Hello
Invitare: you could get James in here to bet a pizza on you beating him. Then you'll do it
tabernaclefart: WHy not get new ones?
Snowcookies: Same, I've had these glasses since 2014
tabernaclefart: I mean, what is really stopping you?
Snowcookies: glasses are expensive
Malkaresh: There are no tail cuts in Bloodborne. You might be able to stagger him by hitting his limbs though.
TXC2: "just spend money, what could go wrong?"
ThatOverKillGuy: hey cam welcome back
NightValien28: people get new glasses?
Invitare: "Has several breakable body parts, the Head of which will open him up to a visceral attack."
PharaohBender27: @tabernaclefart As I understand it, glasses can be expensive
Juliamon: New glasses, in this economy?
NightValien28: I have been using these since 2010
MrSVCD: A murder by crows?
Notbri: Yeah, if you cripple any part of him he takes more damage after that.
undecided44: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Play it Forward (Cameron takes over the Play it Forward crown to do what he could, beat Bloodborne! Game: Bloodborne) at Thu 11:00 AM PDT (11m ago).
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: my glasses are definitely waning in usefulness, again
PharaohBender27 sees what @MrSVCD did there
Notbri: Ow
tabernaclefart: @PharaohBender27 . I know they are, I get my wife a new pair of glasses every 2-3 years.
Notbri: OW
TXC2: wow OK
CnCPOWERHOUR: Well, that was at least mercifully quick.
PadawanTK16: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 11:25.
TheFaceofCho: unarmeOkay
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: last time I was at the optometrist they said people with eyes as bad as mine usually came in to discuss laser surgery, not more glasses
ThatOverKillGuy: thats a OOF
beckett_brass: Speaking as someone who was not here last stream: WHAT THE HECK IS THAT THING!?
tabernaclefart: Usually a pair of regular glasses and some transitions
Tom_Bruise: he just got a bit overzealous, it's been a little while since you last played with him
TehAmelie: can we Ludowigo method this boss somehow
PadawanTK16: Hey! How’s it going?
Notbri: @beckett_brass Horse of all Horses
Malkaresh: And at least the poor bastard by the gate drops plenty of vials for this fight.
flikerz1: @beckett_brass a perfectly normal horse
Snowcookies: I really get a new prescription for my glasses
TXC2: so this thing is a Chimera of 3 other Chimeras?
silenceaux: Well that's something
beckett_brass: @PadawanTK16 Ok, except for the horror that was Ludwig.
Ferisar: they've used manus's approximate moves for a few fights
Leonhart321: A difficult boss but near a farmable healing resource so it
Malkaresh: Nameless King?
EvilBadman: One of the later ones in this is really good
JaymicUnyielding: Sister Friede
Leonhart321: doesnt punish you for failing
Invitare: Nameless King?
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: Nameless King punishes short weapons too much to be on the same level, imo
Malkaresh: Oh god Sister Friede. You are going to love Lady Maria.
Dark_Pikachu_777: Hey heyyy
Invitare: Sister Friede has one of the greatest twists in the franchise
ShadowAce0: Has Cam beat the base game yet?
ParanoidRabbit: I mean, this fight is just kinda horse though
Invitare: Phase 3
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: I love the Friede fight
niccus: this is important information, but also it'll give you insight irl
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: Gael, too
TehAmelie: the stream froze for a second and i almost panicked. getting into this fight
floki4242: big boss in a tiny room
Action_Dan: God Ludwig has some cheap-ass moves
Dark_Pikachu_777: I hated this fight
EvilBadman: Hell yeah, welcome fellow flat mooners
silenceaux: Not to be rude, but you're not landing many hits
Leonhart321: Yeah, Ive yet to figure out how to maximise DPS here myself
Invitare: give the flamesprayer a try?
Malkaresh: @ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa I you are not wrong, but I have beaten Nameless King with Black Blade. Not saying it was terribly fun. But it's doable.
InvaderSnarf: Doesn't this boss also have a balls hard stage 2?
NightValien28: yup
silenceaux: Charge :(
Dark_Pikachu_777: U got dis
NightValien28: what is that damage?
Dark_Pikachu_777: Or not....
Tom_Bruise: well now we know what that mouth do
PharaohBender27: @Dark_Pikachu_777 I think your streams's a few seconds behind . . . :P
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: @Malkaresh definitely doable, but my first time through was with a brigand axe and just, oof
Laserbeaks_Fury: Poor guy, why the long face
Dark_Pikachu_777: Lololol
TXC2: just gonna do a no charge up, one hit kill from across the room, no biggie :P
Action_Dan: The double swipe attack he does is particularly egregious
Malkaresh: @ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa Oof indeed.
flikerz1: huh, it seems like its hard to avoid counterhit on that damage
Invitare: try the Flamesprayer on him?
TehAmelie: she's too large, too fast and too physically messed up to see and respond to what she's doing, yep, it's everything i hate about the Manus fight
Notbri: I'm glad that the corpse run to Ludwig is short though. The run to Artorius was just torture.
Manae: Get a pebble stuck in his hoof and he goes down like nothing
EvilBadman: Ludwig is Bambam?
flikerz1: Are you saying that you want to rock his word cam? :D
Tom_Bruise: can't hurt I suppose, hurling tiny rocks at a giant mutant monster horse
Laserbeaks_Fury: You know a boss is probably tuned badly if they just give you 5 vials at the door
Action_Dan: Ludqig actually suffers from Pica and cant resist eating pebbels
floki4242: maybe the Pebbles are distraction
Foxmar320: Ludwig im gonna need you to calm down
Snowcookies: It's basically david and goliath
Foxmar320: You're being very aggressive right now
Malkaresh: It's possible to stunlock Ludwig with the pizza cutter, but I've never been able to do it myself.
beckett_brass: If you kill him with a pebble, would that make you a Stone-cold killer?
Notbri: Good roll!!
Foxmar320: wow
TXC2: where were the Iframes on that roll?
Action_Dan: @beckett_brass atpRtsd4 but also dadWerk
accountmadeforants: Too many limbs, would've been far too expensive to animate them all
TehAmelie: i think you got much more damage in with New Sword
Notbri: Alright that was nothing
NightValien28: wat
Foxmar320: wat
Notbri: Big bottle of nothingsauce.
Action_Dan: I spent an assload of time on this boss
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: that backjump attack looks mighty sus
Malkaresh: If he moves it is an attack apparently.
SquirrelLord1111: Flawless game
Action_Dan: Is this New game or NG+?
Dark_Pikachu_777: I feel your pain....
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Action_Dan: WOAH
TehAmelie: wowsers
PharaohBender27: :O
bearrier_: woah
RobotInProgress: :O
Notbri: Woah!
TXC2: Skasher4430 lrrHEART
accountmadeforants: Well then
Foxmar320: YO that sub train!
Action_Dan: Big money coming through
flikerz1: thats allot of subs!
Malkaresh: Huzzah!
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Notbri: They are gifts laid at the altar of Ludwig!
Malkaresh: Terrain plz
Foxmar320: :D
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: helpful birb
Action_Dan: Ludwig is such a LudDick
Dark_Pikachu_777: Lmao @notbri
Electro_Irisu: thank you for freeing us birb friend
Invitare: Don't give up, skeleton
accountmadeforants: Good thing there was still an enemy left to knock you out of that rock
PharaohBender27: Oh thank God I thought Cameron was like permastuck there for a sec
GapFiller: yeh generous as it is it feels thats exactly the sorta ting that wrecks a gamers flow
Leonhart321: Is it the fire element that's causing the damage cap?
Invitare: fire should be doing more damage
accountmadeforants: This is like the opposite of Sisyphus, instead of gouging our eyes out while we struggle with a rock, this crow's helping us!
Action_Dan: Maybe's he's pissed because you're using a sword named after him LUL
quasi79fu: may i ask what is Ludwig supposed to be
Leonhart321: All of them Cam, he has all the attacks
quasi79fu: is it a two headed dog thing?
flikerz1: @Invitare thats what i was thinking, seeing as he countss as a beast type enemy
Notbri: @quasi79fu The Horse and Rider!
Dark_Pikachu_777: Hahahaha u can do it! 3rt time is a charm!.....Right?
quasi79fu: thats a horse?
TehAmelie: Manus at least has the sniper window if you've got the black bow and the feck to cheese the fight. that's something this game lacks i think
TXC2: no it seems to have GIGANTIC hitboxes
Notbri: @quasi79fu It's not /not/ a horse
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: it might have BEEN a horse
TXC2: it's Made of horses
Invitare: it might be that it's slow and he's dodging before the swing lands
TehAmelie: i guess they skipped long range weapons precisely because it made some things easy
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: it definitely contains the constituent parts of a horse
Dark_Pikachu_777: Lol use the enhanced sword
tabernaclefart: Bonk
silenceaux: squoosh
Dark_Pikachu_777: Magicide
TXC2: It contains a horse, or several smaller horses
Action_Dan: There's this one attack he does, where it catches you if you dodge too early, or dodge too late
Gate_Kept: I hope you're all having good days today.
TehAmelie: Ludwig is the ghost of all those horses killed by unarmed, patient gamers
Action_Dan: You have to get it just right, and it's an arse
niccus: it's like a rodeo but you're on the wrong side
Milocw: you kept dodging when dodging toward where he jumped from
Notbri: Doing great so far, Cam. The wall will break, ludwig will fall!
lirazel64: Does the screaming do damage?
Milocw: so the spot he jumped in the air from dodge in that direction
TXC2: lirazel64 to our soul yes Kappa
Action_Dan: I think I spent like two days on Ludwig
Notbri: On of the 'pro-strats' on the Wiki for Ludwig is literally 'go left'
HubbeKing: no more game, only loading screen
Gate_Kept: Game says "You have a break, now, k?"
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: flashbacks to pre-patch...
tabernaclefart: Yeah, it froze
silenceaux: It looks like he has a minimum distance on the high jump. So if you get close enough to the launch point he can't hit you. Not sure if that's useful.
Action_Dan: Not sure if Cam is doing an summon-less run but there are 2 NPC's that are handy in distracting Ludwig
Tom_Bruise: uhm... yes.
hunkajunk: Hello Cam. May I suggest dodging left? I am not going to offer any other context, so you can disregard this useless advice.
ThatOverKillGuy: @Skasher4430 Thanks for the gift sub!
Notbri: Maybe if we reload Eileen will be alive
Snowcookies: bloodborne crash?
Malkaresh: ?
TXC2: Notbri too soon
Gate_Kept: The Error Messages let you know you're alive
Action_Dan: Bloodbroke
ArrestedHouse: ah it wouldn't be bloodborne without random crashes (imo)
Notbri: I'm so sorry
JAGxTERRA: Hello @TXC2 and everyone here!
Action_Dan: They do
TXC2: hello JAGxTERRA welcome
PharaohBender27: Sanguine salutations, @JAGxTERRA ! PrideWave We just crashed!
Action_Dan: AT least, the new Xbox will
Malkaresh: Hello @JAGxTERRA
ArrestedHouse: thankfully, yes
Action_Dan: unsure about the POS5
Gate_Kept: The new generation of consoles will be subscription-only
tabernaclefart: @JAGxTERRA Hello!
ThatOverKillGuy: wow 2020 console elitism
TXC2: pretty sure the PS5 will have an SSD
PharaohBender27: I see @Action_Dan has opinions about the latest Playstation :P
Invitare: you're quite heavily invested into Arcane, so it might actually do something
ThatOverKillGuy: they said the ps5 will have a ssd when they did the 1 hour tech talk
silenceaux: I'm guessing small sword mode didn't do enough damage to be worth considering?
Malkaresh: Sounds about right
Action_Dan: @PharaohBender27 Just a habit I got into lol. I have no actual thoughts one way or the other
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: man how 'bout that Demon's Souls remake though? Confirmation of that before any footage of Elden Ring
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Notbri: Apparently he has different death dialogue if you wear certain outfits.
Action_Dan: Other than the new Xbox looks like, well a PC tower
Malkaresh: Probably better to get one or two big hits and get out, than hope to chain small hits.
PharaohBender27: :O
TXC2: where are the souls?
PharaohBender27: HahaSweat
TXC2: !advice
LRRbot: Sometimes just ask.
Action_Dan: Put the souls in the bag and you wont get hurt
TXC2: the fuck do you think I'm doing now lrrbot?
silenceaux: Too much blood, hard to see your specific blood.
JAGxTERRA: dang this boss needs to cool it with the screaming
Gate_Kept: The souls are stored in the blood.
Invitare: I guess that means it didn't do much? We couldn't see the damage it was doing
ThatOverKillGuy: lol @TXC2 time to put the bot on timeout for that sass
Malkaresh: It may be worth ignoring any souls you drop in the boss arena. At this point they are a distraction. Potential liabilty.
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: screaming is kind of a "thing" with bosses in this game
TXC2: ThatOverKillGuy would that I could :P
PharaohBender27: @TXC2 You didn't phease the command in the form of a question, though Kappa
Notbri: Good combo!
PharaohBender27: *phrase
Milocw: flamesprayer is very particular use and this is not it, maybe if he was like 30% slower, also if it was leveled up
Action_Dan: Damn nice didge
Action_Dan: dodge*
Malkaresh: Some solid hits there.
Malkaresh: Boy he is a health bag.
yakbop: you guys think Cameron might be better served by using the one handed form of the sowrd
tabernaclefart: Up
PadawanTK16: !quote Ben
LRRbot: Quote #1786: "Damn, I wish I was smart enough to punch guys." —Ben [2016-02-12]
Invitare: ah the delayed one
Notbri: He can levitate, I guess.
Action_Dan: There is a way to stagger him too, and get a Visceral hit in
greecieboi: !quote Wheeler
LRRbot: Quote #7066: "Thanks for teaching me how to poop." —Wheeler [2020-07-19]
ThatOverKillGuy: god i hate this fight
Malkaresh: Probably better to get one or two big hits and get out, than hope to chain small hits.
Action_Dan: Takes off a chunk of this HP
Invitare: getting close!
niccus: i think i'm as surprised at the things that didn't deal damage as with the things that do
Invitare: NotLikeThis
Action_Dan: Sick dodges goddamn
Notbri: Great hits!!!
Malkaresh: Almost to phase 2
Notbri: OW
PharaohBender27: katesRip
tabernaclefart: Geometry
Action_Dan: Might be worth putting some Lightning or Fire on the blade
silenceaux: point blank charge was a surprise
Invitare: so close!
Gate_Kept: you got geometried
PharaohBender27: Least we did some damage that time
GamesAndInk: Ah yes. "Difficulty".
Malkaresh: Literal hot loose horse shit.
Milocw: blade is fire
Tom_Bruise: hard to tell, the camera got stuck between the wall and a horse place
TXC2: Action_Dan we have fire on it
Action_Dan: OH.
Invitare: that was a good run though
Notbri: @Action_Dan IIRC There's a ton of fire on it.
ThatOverKillGuy: fuck geometry
flikerz1: @Action_Dan We dont have any papers
EvilBadman: @Action_Dan Gemmed for fire
Action_Dan: Ah sweet
EvilBadman: At least, at last check it was.
Action_Dan: Oh yea just noticed the bloody fire particles
Notbri: Can you use fire paper on a fire-gemmed sword, or is it DS1 rules and you can't fire a fire weapon?
PharaohBender27: @Action_Dan That sword has had fire for a while now, IIRC
ThatOverKillGuy: how do you keep instantly filling up on vials?
Etria421: Hello I have an unhealthy obsession with this game
Milocw: kay I get hitting with the sword does the fire animation but why the visceral?
Coinman1863: @Notbri DS1 rules
Action_Dan: I've only just tuned in @PharaohBender27
tabernaclefart: @ThatOverKillGuy Game's Mechanic if you have more in storage
EvilBadman: @ThatOverKillGuy Overstock
Notbri: @ThatOverKillGuy They refill when you die / got to hunter's dream if you have them in storage.
ThatOverKillGuy: ah ok
Malkaresh: Have to go grab food. Luck to you.
noSmokeFire: I feel like "the accursed" is kind of redundant as an epithet. like. you're cursed, so what? who here ISN'T cursed
Tom_Bruise: right, so his charge has a little giddy-up near the end
Etria421: I respect those who free camera this boss lol
Notbri: So, obviously this doesn't help, but I think it's only Phase 1 where he has many attacks that stem from the same starting animation.
silenceaux: Okay, was curious.
Robot_Bones: its a reach thing to right
silenceaux: (re: small form)
Notbri: Uh oh, we're almost out of vials.
silenceaux: I don't know how you would be able to tell, honestly.
Milocw: also I think transforming the sword would hurt cam cause one of the problems is reach and 1handed is even less reach
Robot_Bones: yeah same, I usually gotta slam up against him till I get a little lucky
Etria421: Yeah the differences between his attack windups are quite subtle
tabernaclefart: Ah yes, the Gallop attack
Uzumaki15: I think its screams also vary depending on the attack too
Robot_Bones: good chunks
TXC2: I wouldn't call this thing subtle, some much as inscrutable :P
Invitare: ah he's in Phase 1.5
Notbri: That was nothing! :(
Etria421: I mean I just think he’s crazy lol
Notbri: Sif...
sleepscience_: Didn't even know you were playing Bloodborne, of course I come in as you're fighting Ludwig
floki4242: I think it's right about now we switch to Animal Crossing
Notbri: Anybody know if it's worth trying the summon for this fight?
Etria421: Trapped in a corner with a giant horse monster
Invitare: Gael also had no walls
gsumbreon: do you have camera auto-recovery on?
Notbri: It's a zen mind-battle!
Invitare: I just finished the DLC earlier today, for the first time
TXC2: Gods the Geal fight is ass
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: legit question, is camera auto-wall recovery off? easiest way to un-eff the camera at least a bit
tabernaclefart: Max pebble
sleepscience_: Can;t wait to hopefully play this game on PS5 with fixed framereate, pleeeeeease Sony
Tom_Bruise: might as well start throwing some rocks at him
Etria421: Gael is freaking awesome
TeiranDragon: This fight would be so much better if is had no walls.
Robot_Bones: I'm stuck in that DLC where you gotta fight those 2 demons at the same time
Milocw: looking it up there is a summon if he has the league caryll on
Etria421: Like he’s my favorite boss of the original souls trilogy
sleepscience_: I don't even need 60FPS (though that'd be amazing) just make it stable
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: looks off, yeah
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: it tries to bounce the camera around so it avoids walls, but most often just moves it in ways you don't tell it to
TehAmelie: nobody knows what the camera settings do, but you fiddle with them until you find what kills you the least
PharaohBender27: Camera pls
ThatOverKillGuy: CAMERA!!!
PharaohBender27: CAMERA katesRage
ThatOverKillGuy: can we /ban the camera for trolling
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ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: in DS1 auto-recovery would get you killed on a couple bits of terrain
Tom_Bruise: You may not. Them's the cosmic breaks
Etria421: That camera....
silenceaux: The camera getting stuck on the boss specifically is a problem
Notbri: Camera vs Cameron
Luminaire_p: Hello, Cameron. :)
Coinman1863: I mean, has locking on not worked for you?
TXC2: Hello Luminaire_p welcome
vmob: Notbri he's outnumbered
therisingtithes_: i imagine it would be much more useful if it were possible to make the camera simply pass through walls and turn them invisible from a certain distance, but I imagine that is also very hard or entirely impossible
ArkhamArchivist: Locking on is a Sometimes Food
Coinman1863: Locking on helps the camera a lot here, though Parl murders you if you lock on
EvilBadman: Locking on some of the larger bosses lock on is a seprate camera fight
sleepscience_: I feel like locking on on this boss might be okay? I know that Laurence locking on was MADNESS and I just couldn't
tabernaclefart: Is Cameron Vs Camera the real life equivalent of Man Vs Machine in literature?
Milocw: pfff, I say do you, personally I prefer locking on on most bosses
DrSpookPHD: This game reminds me of my sister's sweet sixteen party.
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: the Hardcore Gamer (tm) mentalities around Dark Souls are fascinatingly pitiful
TXC2: DrSpookPHD o_O
sleepscience_: My big turning point in this series is when I got used to switching between lock on and off, but it took me SO long to bake that into my playstyle, it was too hard to remember to do at first
DrSpookPHD: I exaggerate for effect. This game has far less liquor.
Coinman1863: Maybe more quick step dodges instead of full rolls?
wjzardry: Personally, I find Ludwig easier locked on the unlocking for when he jumps on the ceiling.
Coinman1863: ^^
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: anymore I just lockon to reorient between attacks
mampfreeed: Finally get to catch a stream live! Those damned time zones...
sleepscience_: You don't need to do that. I didn't have that style of play mastered when I played this game at all
Milocw: her internals are on vaction at this point
sleepscience_: But it helps
Blaksun100: no ! sorry i will keep att ing the rock :þ
TXC2: hello mampfreeed welcome
PharaohBender27: Camera please
mampfreeed: Thank you @TXC2 :)
Foxmar320: wat
yallz: he ded
silenceaux: The hang time
Tom_Bruise: No matter where yo go... there he is
Blaksun100: ironmo1DED
PixelArtDragon: Oh hey, are we still on Ludwig?
walkerinc: Seems totally legit and not cheap tactics by the developers to prolong the suffering
wjzardry: running in a straight line works for me
sleepscience_: Being still on Ludwig is so fair
niccus: i dont think ludwig likes it very much either
Notbri: It hasn't been too long!
sleepscience_: I actually haven't ever played Ludwig 1v1...the first and only time I've played, I had two NPC partners, and I beat him first try. Super cheap, wish I had known he was coming up so I could have at least tried him 1v1 first
PharaohBender27: NotLikeThis
TXC2: wow a dog like attack there
Zaghrog: lrrWOW lrrWOW
sleepscience_: Think I probably would have died a million times 1v1
GamesAndInk: Humblebrag seems a bit much.
Malkaresh: Cam will find his own rhythm.
Tom_Bruise: would those comments also say that this fight punishes being hit?
JaymicUnyielding: Well, youtube comments have a well-earned trashfire reputation.
Malkaresh: This is a fight that punishes you for attacking. Also healing. And dodging.
DrSpookPHD: You've never discussed Wittgenstein in the YouTube comments section before?
Malkaresh: It also punishes locking on. Or playing unlocked.
TXC2: DrSpookPHD only over a game of backgammon Kappa
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: "why did you not simply apply damage"
lirazel64: You know, I can kind of see Ludwig going to the Dark Souls Monster Clubhouse after a long day of screaming and just... staring into space while nursing a beer.
JaymicUnyielding: Why does his BACKDASH have a HITBOX
TXC2: why indeed
Zaghrog: this hp pool seems... large
silenceaux: It can be done!
Myrniss: !next
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Zoozle: I was gonna say, this by no means seems like a reasonable amount of HP to chew through.
tabernaclefart: Maybe switch to a weapon with serration?
floki4242: the same thing but slightly better
Malkaresh: Hmm. I think i'm a little behind the stream.
yakbop: jolly co-operation?
Milocw: doing the charge at point blank is just mean
Kraest: I always summon for this fight. The summon is great for distracting him.
PixelSavage: never played this game but is there damage over time you can apply ?
Invitare: when he gets to 75% health he gets a few new attacks, yes
Notbri: Learning a new weapon moveset seems like a lot of work.
Malkaresh: That's better.
tabernaclefart: Aren't blood shards coming out of your ass though?
sterlingsojourner: There's a summon nearby who helps a lot
DrSpookPHD: How's about a couple relaxing rounds of Q-Bert to put some distance here?
Kraest: Even if the summon is crap for damage, the distraction is helpful
PharaohBender27: @Kraest Any time we've ever summoned, it's wound up making things worse
sterlingsojourner: He uses a whirllygig
GamesAndInk: Yeah, it seems like you have him on lock until suddenly he just jumps into a ridiculous charge attack that has a short animation, huge chance of hitting, is good at all ranges, etc.
Notbri: Maybe it's just like Kalameet for me, where you have to take a three-month break from the game
Coinman1863: I did this with a faster weapon IIRC, cause you can get more hits with the straight sword in than one large weapon hit
Notbri: Not to pessmistic. I think you've got this, cam.
JaymicUnyielding: Hey, don't worry about the suggestions. You're doing great.
JaymicUnyielding: You're learning, that's what matters.
TXC2: you are
Milocw: I feels so as well
Invitare: you almost hit Phase 2 earlier
floki4242: is this thing learning
Milocw: so long as camera doesn't tag team you it looks good
TXC2: "where are my souls? where are my souls? wheeeeeere are my souls?"
sleepscience_: All the DLC bosses were essentially bang-head-against-wall fights for me. Most of them generally took me upwards of 50-100 tries each...maybe more for one of them
sleepscience_: But damn did I love the grind, usually
Luhhha: this guy took me 40
Dark_Pikachu_777: Dont give upppp
PharaohBender27: katesRage
tabernaclefart: You rolled into his moon beam
Luhhha: this guy took me 40 plus tries
Invitare: silver saliva hits a lot
Manae: I thought that spit was just a debuffer
quasi79fu: when does cam get a rocket launcher in this game?
Fanklok: Moon Beam? Is Ludwig some kind of pokemon
Coinman1863: I mean, you're using Ludwigs sword
Zaghrog: Ludwigs shape suggests he might be a Druid Kappa
Invitare: don't farm, just make this run a few times
TehAmelie: i remember fighting The Boss in MGS3. it took me five hours. about one hour in i was able to predict that because of the tiny bit more of her health bar i got through with each attempt. this fight seems a bit like that
Invitare: you get 5 vials from that guy
Tom_Bruise: "Hey, good job learning this boss, now stop what you're doing it's time for chores"
Milocw: you could leave and come back and be at 20
Snowcookies: Bloodborne is a dystopian pokemon world?
Robot_Bones: The game has cast Swords to Plowshares
TehAmelie: but with pausing for chores
richard_ermen: Souls-Games. I love the moment the enemy clicks for me. Where everything works out just fine. I hate the entire rest where I die umpteenth times having to learn some weirdo patterns because somehow I don't get it the first 20+ tries...grmpfl
sleepscience_: Blood vial farming was definitely one of the weakest aspects of this game. Like, you could overfarm and have an insane stock of them built up...but you could still end up with zero eventually, unlike Dark Souls
Luhhha: the time you will beat him you will think why it took you so long
Manae: Is it worth trying to provoke that moon beam? Seems to give a nice head shot opening
Invitare: I think it's random
TehAmelie: i guess he has a bit of random "decision" making. just to be worse
irianwestfar: most of the stuff you're getting still hit by is triggered by being in front or under him
Blaksun100: SilverPirateSip
Invitare: Moon Beam doesn't start until 75% health, and also comes with the charge and delayed jump
Malkaresh: I actually beat him my first time, and thought that wasn't too bad. The second time I beat him took around 30+ tries. Turns out I just got super lucky the first time around.
Blaksun100: ironmo1RIP ironmo1DED ironmo1RIP
Notbri: or in a three-block radius
Coinman1863: I wonder if not roll rolling would help a lot here
Coinman1863: *full rolling
Coinman1863: Just the sidestep
TXC2: in a stable relationship? Kappa
Coinman1863: When locked on you side step
Invitare: his left seems fairly safe-ish
Coinman1863: You double tap to full roll when locked on
Invitare: oh that was clean
Blaksun100: ironmo1RIP
DrSpookPHD: Cam, bud.
SquirrelLord1111: unarmeOkay
Luhhha: you got this
DrSpookPHD: Buck up, forge ahead, horns down
Invitare: it seems like you've got the jump down now
greecieboi: lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrWOW lrrCHKN lrrCHKN
Blaksun100: att ass XD
DrSpookPHD: Boy if Ludwig is this difficult I'd hate to see Gustav.
SquirrelLord1111: These dodges feel real clean tho
Invitare: yeah, the first times you dodged left through it, but these last two you've dodged towards the eye mouth and picked up all the hits
Blaksun100: ironmo1Sippy
krfsm: @DrSpookPHD Mahler?
lirazel64: NotLikeThis
DrSpookPHD: @krfsm Geshundeit!
PharaohBender27: @krfsm katesLol
UncannyJimjams: fight this horse man, Cam!
greecieboi: wheelerY wheelerE wheelerE wheelerE wheelerE wheelerT
Invitare: I wish that enemy didn't have the same death scream as you
TXC2: ^
SquirrelLord1111: This fight can go sergeIntoTheSea
Zaghrog: I agree with Cam there
Coinman1863: Yeah... the beast bosses scream a lot
PharaohBender27: ^
krfsm: @PharaohBender27 nice to see someone picking up what I was laying down.
Tom_Bruise: "Yea yea, I get it, you're horribly twisted and tortured, now would you keep quiet already?!"
lirazel64: Second the motion on the screaming...
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GamesAndInk: Apparently screams are his primary tell before his charge attack, but like... how would you tell, when he's screaming all the goddamn time?
PharaohBender27: @GamesAndInk Yeah that sounds like an extremely unhelpful "hint"
DrSpookPHD: I say we ditch Ludwig and play a couple of innings of RBI Baseball.
Blaksun100: melsorrrDead
TehAmelie: how nice would it be if the music here was An die Freude and also Ludwig was quieter
Tom_Bruise: and the worst part is yet to come, where you just wanna learn phase 2 and end up dying to phase 1 a bunch
monosceros: I think unlocking and running is the best way to dodge the charge?
dakrueon: Almost there 👌🏼😉
Luhhha: charge attack is the hardest to learn and dodge
greecieboi: I think you went to your left and dodged it all before and now you seem to be going right
walkerinc: if there was any distinction between the sounds
TXC2: it's not helpful, but it's interesting Kappa
TehAmelie: you could turn down sound effects a notch?
Tom_Bruise: does turning the voice volume down turn the screech volume down as well?
Coinman1863: Well, he gives a visual cue for the charge, he blows steam/smoke out of his face
Coinman1863: While standing still
Blaksun100: SilverDead
Manae: Crouch + brown breath = charge?
Coinman1863: ^^
AtomicAlchemical: Afternoon Cam. You got this!
TXC2: hello AtomicAlchemical welcome
drowbard: The charge tell is subtle enough that it can be hard to recognize at some camera angles, which is hard with the tight timing
ForOhForError: good ol ludwig
Enmity777: Man, I forgot just how much HP this boss has
Blaksun100: SilverHeadpat ironmo1Headpat
floki4242: that's okay Frost anus will do that
dakrueon: Good run
walkerinc: I mean, obviously, just play perfectly
TXC2: you're getting better Cameron, you got this
GamesAndInk: Good run, getting better and better each time
AtomicAlchemical: Those attacks were so damn close together lrrAWW
walkerinc: short break?
SquirrelLord1111: You are making some good improvements against the boss still.
dakrueon: The two spray attacks in a row just kicked you out of your rhythm
monosceros: as per the beatles, a little better all the time
Manae: Mono pebble is a strong meta right now
lirazel64: I don't know... using a wonky camera to make bosses harder just feels cheap.
TXC2: his name is the boulder Kappa
accountmadeforants: Rev up those animations!
Blaksun100: good luck GN all bye bye
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IntegralHamster: Looks like this fight is easier without lock on
lirazel64: Bye @blaksun100
TXC2: what would really help in this fight is if we could stager it at all :P
PadawanTK16: Hey, if it’s ok, could I post a post a picture of a mini that I’m really proud of? It’s fine if not...
Notbri: That's messed up.
wildpeaks: !advice
LRRbot: Don't touch the red ground, it will kill
Coinman1863: @IntegralHamster Ishly, you need the quick step dodge, which requires lock on
monosceros: well you wouldn't want to be right behind a horse that starts to charge would you
TXC2: PadawanTK16 should be fine yeah
PixelArtDragon: Are there any bullet-based attacks that would be worth trying?
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AtomicAlchemical: I just now noticed that some of his "light" attacks don't give any real indication that they've connected besides your health going down. How they expect you to track that in the chaos of that melee is a mystery to me
Notbri: I got a good feeling about this run
Intrepid_Colin: @PadawanTK16 I like the detail on the hammer
TXC2: don't good behind a horse is good advice IRL, but this ain't IRL :P
SuitablyEpic: 6 and a half years
SuitablyEpic: i feel old
Notbri: There's no equip load in Bloodborne, right?
PadawanTK16: Thank you!
TXC2: PadawanTK16 Dat sum Gud choppa!
lirazel64: How do all these people get so fearsome messed up, anyway?
GamesAndInk: @Notbri If they're gonna make the camera this bad, I assume they wouldn't add convenient equipment loadouts
TXC2: lirazel64 blood, lots and lots of blood
Manae: @lirazel64 Old gods
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TehAmelie: i think he was stuck on geometry for a moment there. for a moment i thought it would be cheese time. and then he jumped
wildpeaks: thank you button
TXC2: it's also just such fun that he has INFINITE STAMINA lrrEFF
TehAmelie: if it was me i'd simply not press buttons, or wait
PixelArtDragon: Just don't press that button 3head
TehAmelie: spoken word memes is the wave of the future
TXC2: when do we unlock the mythical 6head ? Kappa
wildpeaks: uwu
TXC2: TehAmelie we're getting closer and closer to that one star trek episode :p
vmob: you got this, Cam. you can beat this 2head
DaiPanda: aaaand gotta go. Hwo i Am productive communitarian. I go back to skulking the vods.
lirazel64: And now I'm seeing two multiheaded Muppets called 3head and 5head...
Headshotcatcher: i know that feel
TXC2: so long DaiPanda stay safe
AtomicAlchemical: Boss, you can't just start using new attacks this many runs in
PenguinMortified: how many attempts is this? (I just joined)
Tom_Bruise: at this rate, you'll have another level-up's worth of bloodsouls
wildpeaks: just don't get hit 3.14159head
TehAmelie: hey Star Trek Lower Bridge looks neat. just to think of something fun
Robot_Bones: This boss is a muppet
DaiPanda: you tooooo~. Eat many werewolves
wildpeaks: that is one tough boss to be fair
TXC2: PenguinMortified many
Snowwraith: This one is the beef gate of the DLC.
lirazel64: @wildpeaks , Pi-head is goood.
TehAmelie: oh wait it's Lower Decks
Snowwraith: Checking whether or not you're strong enough to be here.
TehAmelie: why would i think those yahoos would be anywhere near the bridge
WiltLeafWanderer: Is Chonk Sword too slow for this fight?
wildpeaks: we'll die anyway, so might as well die in style
TheAudiovore: I dog the top hat, personally
TXC2: we need some Feed dump hat's in this game Kappa
TheAudiovore: *dig
EvilBadman: You want goofy hats souls-like try Code Vein, heh
TXC2: WiltLeafWanderer it's our best weapon, so it doesn't matter anywa
Mahglazzies: Ah Ludwig, my favourite boss in all the Souls games and yet, the one that fucks me up the hardest
TXC2: *anyway
PixelArtDragon: We have no choice but to adopt the dress of the 19th century bourgeoisie
Headshotcatcher: Cam how do you rate getting stickbugged in the 2020 meme meta
Manae: You would think a horse beast would have weak legs
TehAmelie: it does get depressing when you're like "if i use this many vials before stage 2 i'm just burning up my stock and it would be better to die"
TXC2: Manae sadly the fact that it has hands means it's legs are legs and not just the middle finger of the hand like it is for horses IRL
Notbri: Hey Cameron, do you like horses generally?
BogglesUrMind: I assume this is something that has been brought up at some point during this series, but boy howdy do I hate how Bloodborne punishes you for using Vials and makes farming them back extra difficult for no reason but to make you suffer.
krfsm: Ludwig has been unnaturally merged with a horse, so who knows
hunkajunk: Do blood vials heal the same as Estus or do they heal less since you can carry more?
niccus: is that why ludwig is all hooves? just covered in nonstop middle fingers
Snowwraith: 40% max health.
lirazel64: "Other Souls players may beat Ludwig more easily, but they don't have this hat!"
Snowwraith: I think you can carry a lot partly as you pick them up along the way too.
wildpeaks: !advice
LRRbot: Wash your hands.
krfsm: !sir
LRRbot: Sir? Sir! It's like an al fresco general store!
TehAmelie: DS1 does let you get up to 20 estus for the record. . .
TXC2: sheer luck is what
PenguinMortified: maybe a faster weapon?
AtomicAlchemical: Does it bother anyone else that the game gives you the rally mechanic and expects you to use it, but you can't rally back from a lethal attack?
TXC2: PenguinMortified doesn't matter, still too slow
Snowwraith: Nioh shows you can do both.
Notbri: @PenguinMortified Learning a new moveset at this point would be worse
wildpeaks: they experimented
wildpeaks: now they know it's not as good as the estus system
wildpeaks: camera pls
Notbri: @AtomicAlchemical Rallying from a lethal attack would be awesome.
BogglesUrMind: Even the tiny fact that you have to go through two loading screens to get enemies to re-spawn for farming echoes makes getting more vials feel like such a chore.
Snowwraith: Demon's was entirely consumable healing items (with no practical carry cap).
Snowwraith: So they've done it before which is why it's baffling.
TehAmelie: hmm running into Ludwig and dying seems like a fairly fast way to stock up blood
wildpeaks: at least we're getting a bunch of souls from this
novrdd: aw.. just arrive and the first thing i see is Cam's despair
Malkaresh: DS 3 did.
Snowwraith: DS2 did
TXC2: DS3 had that
adi_pie: 2 and 3 did, don't hink 1 did.
EvilBadman: 80: 37377
adi_pie: But yes, it would be very nice.
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: I wish they had added it to the DS1 remaster
TXC2: I wish that the stats page showed how fast a weapon was :p
EvilBadman: If this wiki tells the truth
Intrepid_Colin: We may want to check our weapon durability
Notbri: CHORES
quasi79fu: Ok question chat what is considered a serrated weapon
floki4242: I don't like weapon durability in video games
quasi79fu: because according to Google this Ludwig is weak to serrated to weapons?
TXC2: relearning a moveset at this point would be bad
EvilBadman: I /think/ you be holding onto some cold blood for echoes as well?
quasi79fu: im just repaeting Google..can we go destroy google then?
Malkaresh: There is the gem from Amelia's pendant. +12.5% vs beasts. Don't know if Cam wants to break the pendant though.
PixelArtDragon: But what if [think already suggested]?
PharaohBender27: @quasi79fu Well that's quite an escalation there
quasi79fu: heeeeheeee
PenguinMortified: ludwigs 1-hand sword mode then
EvilBadman: Apologies. mixed it with ritual. too many bloods here.
Snowcookies: i don't think weapon durability is bad for all games, but how it's implemented can be bad
TXC2: PenguinMortified tried that, doesn't work
quasi79fu: i stilll think we need a nuke or rocket launcher
Notbri: christ, is it break time?
novrdd: lrrAWW
AtomicAlchemical: @floki4242 Strong agree there. The only game I can think of where it was only mildly annoying most of the time was Breath of the Wild, and only because you could farm quality weapons much faster than you broke them
lawful_neutral_wizard: Hey chat! How's it going?
quasi79fu: hi Lawful
TXC2: Hello lawful_neutral_wizard welcome
PadawanTK16: Not good
quasi79fu: Cam is uhhh doing ok
novrdd: hello @lawful_neutral_wizard pretty sad watching Cam in frustration
PharaohBender27: @lawful_neutral_wizard It's going very Sisyphean
TXC2: Cameron is progressing is a slow but steady manner
quasi79fu: Like a glacier that is melting?
novrdd: i believe in you Cam
lirazel64: Better than yesterday.
PixelArtDragon: @PharaohBender27 I think this is worse than Sisyphean, Sisyphus had no illusions that it would one day work
PharaohBender27: @quasi79fu Oof
quasi79fu: of course chat believes in Cam..its just a frustrating fight
TXC2: quasi79fu I was thinking more like the tide eroding a shore, but yes
The_Ninjurai: If I had legs popping out of my front an dback I"d be upset too
The_Ninjurai: That has got to be painful
vmob: PixelArtDragon or, this is better, because it actually, really is going to work
wildpeaks: this is entirely too many legs
Notbri: Once more unto the breach!
quasi79fu: Live Die ..Repeat...Win?
wildpeaks: groundhog day, cosmic horror edition
krfsm: All You Need Is Kill/Edge of Tomorrow
Krokaar: PopCorn <3
snazariah: You got this man.
PharaohBender27: :O
wildpeaks: wow that's dedication
quasi79fu: 12 hours on one fight? Wut?
Xafty: cam, you are miles better than 12 hours
ArrestedHouse: oh man, i don't want to even think of the time i put into ludwig
Milocw: no problem, cam, I'm happy to be here cam
quasi79fu: Thats dedication I cant even do
Tom_Bruise: yea not gonna lie, I would've crapped out at hour 1... I admire the commitment, Cam
quasi79fu: im here to support you Cam
TXC2: Cameron this is the chat that watched Adam do early Dancer for 3 hours, we are strapped in
hunkajunk: I like you Cam :)
novrdd: I'm here for you Cam
Jmonkey49: Hey everyone! been one of those days. any good days today?
Notbri: I'll be here, rooting for you and trying not to say anything demoralizing!
floki4242: but I want to see you finally finish it
novrdd: you can do dis
Invitare: 3 hours? It was way more than that
Xafty: we are not going anywhere, because we know you can do it
PixelArtDragon: I want to be here when you beat him
Invitare: Early Dancer was 2 streams
AtomicAlchemical: Chat is here for you Cam. We can get through this together! lrrHEART
Milocw: I'd rather be here watching someone interesting play bloodborne, then...welll...
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collectangels: yeah, I know that feeling of clawing through a fight. Reminds me of the final boss of forced. So, you rule, cam :)
PadawanTK16: Hey, you’ll get it soon, I believe in you
Zaghrog: Jmonkey49 the TTRPG playgroup is starting a new campaign, and today we managed to create characters and setup a start point for the campaign
Zaghrog: *my
PharaohBender27: lrrJUDGE
Jmonkey49: @zaghrog cool shit
AtomicAlchemical: wat
Krokaar: lrrJUDGE
lirazel64: My day's been pretty good... the DIL and I are making masks for a local elementary school. We need 800, and we're 400 or so in...
quasi79fu: Did you know it takes a simple trickle of running water to carve out a canyon like the Grand Canyon..And that takes milllions of years to do..We should all have the patience that Nature has to do impossible things
TXC2: does this guy treat I-Frames ad like a suggestion or something?
lirazel64: So, grinding IRL.
novrdd: keep focus Cam
Brytarn: Tuning in just seeing Cam with his face in his hand looking distraught, "You died" in bold red letters on the screen. Exceedingly profound.
quasi79fu Lurks so as not to distract Cam
Krokaar: we discovered this bosses real mechanic
TXC2: wow that some Grade A bullshit
Tom_Bruise: Might now be a good time for a break?
Malkaresh: @quasi79fu I feel you friend
WiltLeafWanderer: Hard to get a read on this guy. Things that work one run he swings through on the next. Wild.
snazariah: Cam, you look very frustrated. Are you having fun?
quasi79fu: define fun?
TXC2: snazariah he's fine
Foxmar320: I kind of want to name that guy by the gate so we can thank him for his blood every time.
wildpeaks: take comfort in the fact that at least you're getting paid while grinding the fight, so you're still winning overall
Ferisar: @Foxmar320 i believe that's frank
InquisitorGaia: just tuned in to dead again, hows your day other than that cam?
PadawanTK16: @foxmar320 I think we did, I just don’t remember what we named him
quasi79fu: Thanks Frank
GamesAndInk: @Foxmar320 Al, named after the first doctor to do a blood transfusion, Albert Hustin?
InquisitorGaia: im sorry
Foxmar320: Thank Frank sounds good
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PixelArtDragon: Maybe we should talk about life beyond Ludwig. Cam, tell us about something delicious you ate recently.
TXC2: this has been what all our days have been
quasi79fu: I have seeeen Hell...It odddly looks like Bloodborne and this fight in endlesss repeat
Foxmar320: wow
coriolis_storm: Something happened: you died
snazariah: Im worried about poor cams mental health.
quasi79fu: uh oh sarcasm
TXC2: snazariah trust me, he's fine
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Snowcookies: chat let's be mindful about Cam
Ritaspirithntr: *pat* *pat* on the head
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GapFiller: coriolis_storm just cz yr think its hilarious doesnt mean others are gonna share the laugh
lirazel64: PowerUpL CrreamAwk PowerUpR
quasi79fu: This Ludwig needs a muzzle ..He scre3ams way tooo much
Foxmar320: Yeah he's very loud
TXC2: almost cleric beast levels of screaming
quasi79fu: at least he isnt as bad as that Fuzzy lady thing was
quasi79fu: Oh my Gahd was she irratating to my ears
krfsm: Vicar Amelia?
quasi79fu: yup
PharaohBender27: @TXC2 Oh God don't remind me of Cleric Beast - that almost physically hurt to listen to
Juliamon: yeah, Amelia's screams are r o u g h
TXC2: PharaohBender27 indeed
quasi79fu: Do you think if we put a saddle on Ludwig he would let us ride him?
Milocw: Vicar Amelia I could casually walk around and burn to death with the flamesprayer, this is worse
Snowwraith: The screaming absolutely doesn't help.
quasi79fu: Imagine riding somthing like Ludwig into a town
wildpeaks: the real question is can we pet the screeching fuzzy monster
quasi79fu: XD
quasi79fu: that broke me
PharaohBender27: @quasi79fu I'd rather not, thank you
krfsm: with our swords, yes, @wildpeaks
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Milocw: tho, I feel way less bad about killing ludwig the Amelia
Ritaspirithntr: @wildpeaks i would advise against it
novrdd: holly crap what's that? one hit kill?
Jmonkey49: Cam do you have empty Phantasm shell?
wildpeaks: this would certainly be an epic mount if that thing could be tamed
quasi79fu: im so glad chat gets me..its a relief
PharaohBender27: @novrdd Yeah, these bosses have an infuriating tendency to do that
Milocw: considering how it looks, I think ludwig fused with his actual mount
GamesAndInk: A one hit kill that you can't see whether it's coming or not because it's on the ceiling, and therefore can't dodge. The peak of game design, they've almost entirely eliminated player input from the equation. David Cage would be proud.
quasi79fu: YOu know poor Frank was just knocking on that door and we keep killling him
TXC2: Franks knows what he did Kappa
Machtung7: there's an audible cue for when he's going to drop down
wildpeaks: I hope it doesn't retain the memory of all the times it came back to life at least
PharaohBender27: @GamesAndInk Eh, I don't think it has enough *emotion* for David Cage
quasi79fu: XD Txc
TehAmelie: the thing looks like Sleipnir's demon-possessed miscarriage. . .where would you even sit?
Ritaspirithntr: So...are these Bosses just extremely OP?
wildpeaks: pretty much
novrdd: @pharaohbender27 what is this dark soul or something? \:-?(p|P)
TXC2: Ritaspirithntr pretty much yeah
novrdd: :p
sculleroony: lrrFine
quasi79fu: Which is more diffficult ...Dark souls or Bloodborne?
sculleroony: lrrfine
sculleroony: crap.
Jmonkey49: @quasi79fu Dark souls by a mile
Ritaspirithntr: Is there any amount of grinding that can remedy that? (I’ve never played this game)
quasi79fu: !Lrrfine
sculleroony: lrrFINE
sculleroony: got it.
quasi79fu: !box
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Milocw: so they have our sword bounce off walls but a drop attack where none of the mob touches us does massive damage, fantasy or realism not both please
vegantroll: Good luck Cam!
quasi79fu: wow i got a lot of stuffff in my box
wildpeaks: my brain cannot handle gamepads, so I wouldn't be able to play this one
GamesAndInk: @Ritaspirithntr Technically? One of the strategy guides for this boss just starts with basically like 'okay you're at max level, now here's how you do this'
TehAmelie: you can grind stats pretty much forever and they will only help a tiny bit
Ritaspirithntr: That seems.....unfair?
sculleroony: Ludwig is one of those bosses that no matter who you talk to, everyone just agrees its tough as nails. its just a damned hard boss.
Jmonkey49: @tehamelie hitting soft caps in all stats do actually help
Ritaspirithntr: @sculleroony fair
quasi79fu: ok weird question because ive seen other bosses do this is there no way for Cam to like stun and do whatever the thing he callls a visceral attack on Ludwig?
goatprince: this guy took having a fursona ALL the way, i see. hello cam i hope you're enjoying this very difficult boss fight
ThingTTV: Is the screamy boi ok? He looks kinda pale.
PharaohBender27: @quasi79fu I doubt it - that's an attack against normal enemies, this is a boss
wildpeaks: this is one heck of a fursona
PenguinMortified: one of his sides les you get a isceral i think
quasi79fu: Ludwig just mooned us
krfsm: you can visceral him, but it's not easy
TXC2: hello goatprince
GamesAndInk: None of the level-up options in this game include changing the camera to be up to modern design practices (as invented 24 years ago when the N64 came out), or make it so your attacks don't phase through enemies, so I don't know how much grinding will REALLY help the parts that are screwing Cameron
Machtung7: @quasi79fu have to hit him in the head
quasi79fu: Rip Frank again
Machtung7: his legs can both be "broken" to stagger him but the actual visceral can come from hitting in the head
goatprince: has Cam done the Lady Maria fight yet? my condolences either way
sculleroony: Oh, Camerons at a plenty fine level, this is just how fights like this work, which is part of my issue with bloodborne/DKS3. sustained perfection is not an interesting difficulty challenge, especially when one mistake is death.
sleepscience_: When's the last time you repaired your sword, Cam?
Jmonkey49: @goatprince no have to fight Ludwig first
sleepscience_: You may have recently, just curious
WiltLeafWanderer: Looking at the wiki. What the actual fuck is this guy?
quasi79fu: I dont know
goatprince: oh yeah
goatprince: he's a lovely person, clearly
TXC2: a big fuck up at the glue factory is what this guy is
novrdd: dear mr ludwig.. you seem in pain let me end your suffer please...
quasi79fu: Wiltleaf I would say Ludwig is a abomination to the senses
PharaohBender27: @TXC2 katesLol
TehAmelie: it's like Bad Horse had a baby with a worse horse and it died
Machtung7: I think part of why this is so hard right now is our attacks are slow and he's really quick
PadawanTK16: Out of curiosity, I’m not sure whether I want to get dark souls or not, as I’m really bad at video games like this...
cyplix8: Ludwig used Water Gun. It's not very effective.
ThingTTV: That hit was a daylight robbery
ThatBoyf: I would like to report a theft
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: Dark Souls 1 is way slower-paced, if that helps you decide @PadawanTK16
quasi79fu: Ludwig used Stomp ...It was super effectice
TehAmelie: does Ludwig get i-frames?
GamesAndInk: Not only did it not register as a hit, but the PARTICLE system DID register it as a hit. That's horseshit.
PharaohBender27: @cyplix8 That's because lrrCAMERON dodged out of its range. It we had been right in front of it, it would have been SUPER effective
Kraest: @padawantk16 Dark Souls and Bloodborne are basically rhythm games. Learn the timings and you won’t get hit much. Lol
lirazel64: I want to know why the moon spit doesn't exhaust the monster at ALL.
RaklarLS: ludwig spec'd into a berserker build, for sure. wait, does that make it a barbarian?
PharaohBender27: @Kraest Even as a joke that feels like treading on thin ice right now
PadawanTK16: @thirtycubicfeetofsalsa I mean, if I get it, I’m going to get 1, as that is the only one on the switch. But does it being slower paced mean it’s easier?
PharaohBender27: I'm sorry, what!?
TXC2: RaklarLS except berserkers get exhausted, and this clearly doesn't :P
WiltLeafWanderer: I’m not excited to see that sword come out. The wiki reads like “oh, you thought this fight was unfair? Hold my beer.”
novrdd: that jump attack tho.. ugh
quasi79fu Holds Wiltleafs Beeer
Machtung7: There's like a crackling sound that happens right before he drops down
wildpeaks: oh no
Ritaspirithntr: *hug*
ThatBoyf: I love how the one-hit ko charge attack takes him like 0.5 seconds to recover
Snowcookies: why ludwig why
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: @PadawanTK16 my opinion's skewed as I've put a couple hundred hours into it, but I'd definitely say that DS1 is a lot easier, just because you have more time to read what an enemy's going to do before they do it
PharaohBender27: @Machtung7 How are supposed to hear it over the constant screaming, though?
Asgard273: cameron will there ever be anymore friday nights?
Machtung7: He's not screaming when he's up in the air
TXC2: Asgard273 yes, stop asking
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: The encounters are also much smaller, with most places only ever throwing at most 3 or 4 dudes at you at once
Jmonkey49: yes second phase holy moonlight sword and you can wield it
wildpeaks: PharaohBender27 I tell my brain that everyday
Foxmar320: Asgard273 Yes but not during the pandemic
WiltLeafWanderer: There was a split second shot of it in the cut scene yesterday. Apparently it’s not just for show
Snowcookies: Asgard273 please watch the update that happened during the ppr
Asgard273: sweet, didnt know they'd stopped due to the pandemic
TehAmelie: i think DS1 is much easier even though it's still a little fast for my motor skills
novrdd: c'mon Ludwig let this fine gentleman Cam ends your Agony
sacrenos: The thing that worries me about this fight is that you need sustained perfection for like 10 minutes, while the game is allowed 'slack' with the sloppy hitboxes.
PadawanTK16: @thirtycubicfeetofsalsa ok, that does make me more confident about getting it, and I’ve found that there is a bow, and I love me some ranged weapons
TXC2: DS1 is good up until after Anon londo
TXC2: *anor
sleepscience_: I loved all of DS1 personally and actually like the areas in the second half, but I won't disagree that the frist half is cooler
PenguinMortified: I would kindaly disagree with that :P
OriginalGarwulf: So, we just tried to watch Lower Decks, and,'s an abomination that needs to be cleansed with fire. People need to be warned.
sleepscience_: Ludwig is a crazy aggro tank
GamesAndInk: @OriginalGarwulf Judging by the reviews of the first 4 episodes that reviewers are putting out, it doesn't get better either :P
sleepscience_: BUT gotta admit his movement and attack animations are pretty cool
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: @PadawanTK16 the best thing about DS1 is honestly that even if something seems rough at first, there's always the option of finding somewhere else to explore, then coming back with upgraded gear and stats
PadawanTK16: Ok, I think you guys have tipped me over, I’ll get it
RaklarLS: ds1 falls apart in the lava bit, then picks up momentarily, only to give you the most wet fart of a final zone
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: best DS1 tip I have to offer: upgrade your armor and shield
goatprince: so THIS is the dreaded horse joke wheeler always threatens us with.......
PenguinMortified: all souls game fall over in the lava bit :P
lirazel64: @goatprince If only...
PenguinMortified: why did they leave armour upgrading out of bloodbourne?
TehAmelie: i'll just advice there are a lot of things you can find out to make the game less hard that you'll never find out just playing it. wikis R good
TXC2: RaklarLS I'd argue Tomb of Giants is worse as an area then the lake of larva
PadawanTK16: Is the bow actually good? That’s probably the question I’m most wondering
quasi79fu: Apparently this game was made by someone who like mentally torturing himself according to what others in chat have said
TXC2: PadawanTK16 it's Tricky
Snowcookies: Hi Matt
sleepscience_: The main thing I tell people getting into Souls for the first time in general is, don't get annoyed at yourself when it takes hours and hours and hours for it to finally Click, if you try it and it ends up not being what you wanna play, take a break, play something else, come back fresh later and give it another go.
TehAmelie: there are some bow options. most of them can be good by themselves or as auxiliaries to melee
sleepscience_: Bloodborne was my first and I'd say it took me at least 30 hours before it finally clicked
Jmonkey49: @padawantk16 nice it's a great game
RaklarLS: TXC2 i really liked tomb of giants; everything is thematically appropriate, unlike demon ruins
TXC2: Yes, Patience and determination are what are needed to beat a souls game
ThirtyCubicFeetOfSalsa: bow is handy as something to keep around, but a rough choice as a primary weapon.
PenguinMortified: poisen arrows tend the brake the game occasionally
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PenguinMortified: but mostly because you're exploting where enemies can't go
sleepscience_: But when it did click, oh my god
TXC2: RaklarLS ah, I was thinking in game mechanics, for themes yeah Tomb is better
Ritaspirithntr: Does Cam need a break?
tabernaclefart: You got this CAM!
collectangels: that's fair :)
Snowcookies: has a commercial break happened yet?
PharaohBender27: @Snowcookies No
TXC2: !break
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PenguinMortified: @RaklarLS iirc demons ruins is just unfinished
PenguinMortified: they shipped it though
Ritaspirithntr: Take longer if you need it!
sleepscience_: Has Cam gone to the Hunter's Dream to repair his weapon recently? That's something I always forgot to do after several boss runs, but helped with damage output
HorusFive: While Cam is on break- I just got here. How is Cam doing today?
PharaohBender27: @HorusFive He's fighting Ludwig
PharaohBender27: It's a tough boss fight
HorusFive: @PharaohBender27 Is that still? Or Again? Or something in between?
Ritaspirithntr: @horusfive he seems to be getting frustrated
sleepscience_: About as well as can be expected with this boss fight. Maybe better than expected
sleepscience_: I've seen people BROKEN by this fight
RaklarLS: PenguinMortified yeah, i'm aware. it's a shame, because it's really jarring on an otherwise really cool game up to that point
PenguinMortified: ludwig is the beefgate of the DLC
TehAmelie: here's some cool space news to fill time
TehAmelie: spacetime, if you will
PenguinMortified: @RaklarLS yeah it really is, especially with all the stuff that gets set up with the daughters of choas
lirazel64: Also, the salt level is rising.
PenguinMortified: you get to meet three(?) of them and it's all for nought
Snowcookies: Program: yes your VST plugins are totally installed Software: can't find any VSTs
PharaohBender27: Welcome back!
TXC2: and we're back
TehAmelie: hello hello
monosceros: I hope the break was refreshing <3
tabernaclefart: Back, Back again
WiltLeafWanderer: Cam, your dodges have improved every run. This guy’s just a badly stitched sack of dicks.
sleepscience_: Cam, have you gone to the Hunter's Dream to repair your weapon recently? That's something I always forgot to do after several boss runs, but helped with damage output. If you have then nevermind
tabernaclefart: @WiltLeafWanderer Badly stitched back of horses*
samfisherpl: <message deleted>Why does Cameron look like he's tired with everything
tabernaclefart: bag*
monosceros: @samfisherpl sky is blue, fight is hard
Zaghrog: ugh, good run ended
PharaohBender27: WHAT!? That was bullshit
PharaohBender27: The game clearly decided you were doing too well
Juliamon: *horseshit
PharaohBender27: @Juliamon Oh, right - my apologies
HorusFive: Dilly Bar?
TXC2: it just decided "nah I'm gonna end this run"
HorusFive: lrrDILLY
tabernaclefart: Did James bring a Dilly Bar?
monosceros: it's really disheartening how the charge seems to randomly have varying degrees of damage
wildpeaks: are we talking to moonbase ghosts ?
TehAmelie: it's sort of like a lottery, except the prize is not dying
HorusFive: Have we yet talked about the skeleton grasping at the gate? What's his story? Where's he trying to get to?
yakbop: how far has Cameron gotten
monosceros: @yakbop very close to phase 2
Ferisar: close to p2 from the looks of it
TXC2: yakbop about 2/3 of the bar left?
Ferisar: the dodge timings are a lot better
PenguinMortified: you really miss out on the Good Music in the fight becaue of all the screaming
PharaohBender27: @yakbop Like others have said, close to phase 2, but then the game decided to just one-shot him
Snowcookies: Ludwig, we're trying to listen to the soundstrackk, pls tone it down
JaymicUnyielding: I hate that his backdash has a hitbox.
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tabernaclefart: Your perseverance is admirable Cam
monosceros: you dodged the charge twice in that run!
monosceros: little victories
sleepscience_: It's like reliving my experience playing this game all over again
sleepscience_: Not all the time, but certainly at times like these, with fights like this
HorusFive: I'm going to call that guy Steve
GirlPainting: Cameron, deeply in the tank
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GirlPainting: silently aproaching his prey
wildpeaks: !advice
LRRbot: Never go full Frost.
wildpeaks: we wouldn't dare, lrrbot
monosceros: !badadvice
LRRbot: Attack the Shopkeeper.
TXC2: but what if I'm interviewing Nixon lrrbot?
tabernaclefart: !advice
LRRbot: Always go north.
wildpeaks: does the katana drops a sweet shopkeeper ?
GirlPainting: <message deleted>cameron, you seem depressed...can we lift your spirit somehow?
TehAmelie: hey at least we're not fighting him in the Captra demon's box
TXC2: Hell no Lrrbot, go south, it's like going downhill
PharaohBender27: What happens if you reach the North Pole, @LRRbot ? What then?
GapFiller: !badadvice
LRRbot: Stroke the wurm.
tabernaclefart: !advice
LRRbot: Dinosaurs remain.
wildpeaks: the what now ?
TXC2: GirlPainting by not saying that, or asking that question
PharaohBender27: @wildpeaks Wurm. You know, a German worm Kappa
monosceros: ze famous wurm
wildpeaks: I have no idea if that's really what it is but ok, I'll go with it :D
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TXC2: Wurm is more Scandinavian then German surely ?
Juliamon: wurms are wingless dragon-like beasts
GapFiller: The Hen Ogledd either way
ThatBoyf: It is just the german word for worm
wildpeaks: ah I see
sleepscience_: I love when Ludwig does the Worm
white_wampa: wurms are squishy sometimes, sometimes they have lots of teef
PharaohBender27: katesRage
GapFiller: dyr see what I did there using a Celtic term to describe a Viking phenomenon
tabernaclefart: !badadvice
LRRbot: It's just ahead.
wildpeaks: you're not wrong lrrbot
Jmonkey49: @juliamon t
Jmonkey49: @juliamon I thought that was wryms
HorusFive: One day Steve will get over that fence
tabernaclefart: What does the dude at the top of the hill normally drop?
Jmonkey49: or wyrms
Malkaresh: It'll happen Cam.
PharaohBender27: @Jmonkey49 Think "wyrm" is the same thing in a different language
Machtung7: @tabernaclefart pebbles
Juliamon: The advice to 'stroke the wurm' refers to using (probably) Disdainful Stroke on a wurm creature
white_wampa: The story of Steve and the impassable fence is a sad and long one. geekiCry
Jmonkey49: @pharaohbender27 is it? never knew that
tabernaclefart: @Machtung7 Danke
PharaohBender27: @Jmonkey49 I'm guessing
TXC2: Juliamon that's far too logical for !advice Kappa
monosceros: stroke the wurm is just bolt the bird but hornier
Juliamon: monosceros basically!
wildpeaks: impassable fence vs an unrelenting corpse, who shall win
Malkaresh: In old D&D Wyrms were dragons.
tabernaclefart: That was some BS
GapFiller: iirc Wyrms crop up in WoD too
TXC2: how is one supposed to dodge that without simple luck?
GirlPainting: hey Camperon, did you have a look at the shaving soap?
white_wampa: BB stands for BloodBorne, or BULLSHIT BULLSHIT! MiniK
mr3dglasses: benginYe benginYe benginYe
PharaohBender27: @Juliamon Oh here I though you were actually talking about old northern European mythology rather than MtG :P
ThatBoyf: @Jmonkey49 so wurm when refering to dragonlike monsters is oftentimes a shortening of the word Lindwurm which is like a giant snake with claws
monosceros: @TXC2 that's pretty much it, really. run and hope you're running in the right direction and *most* times it won't hit you
HorusFive: What is so interesting on the other side of the fence, Steve?
wildpeaks: didn't it used to drop two blood vials earlier, or did I just misread ?
mr3dglasses: asmr style dyrram lol
TXC2: wildpeaks no it's always been 5
white_wampa: Is your family over there Steve? geekiCry
RaklarLS: so what's the following escalation? bolt the bird, stroke the wurm.... plow the dragon?
Jmonkey49: @thatboyf interesting learn something new everyday. Thank you.
mr3dglasses: hi
Juliamon: RaklarLS I assume it's drood the ozeference
TXC2: ^
white_wampa: Droods?!
RaklarLS: right! there's nothing above that
Jmonkey49: @juliamon don't forget to abwatch in response
ThatBoyf: The jump seems inconsistent timing wise
TXC2: white_wampa it's from a stream where we used Robo-rosewater cards
Machtung7: There are 2 jumps
HorusFive: If only Thomasina would just listen to advice...
white_wampa: @txc2 oh, I was thinking of Mystery of the Druids, NM
HorusFive: Or instruction
wildpeaks: that's one big puppy
Tom_Bruise: half puppy, half horse, half dude, all F-ed up
monosceros: I'm still disappointed Abwatch didn't have David Hasselhoff in the art
Jmonkey49: @monosceros that would have been glorious
TehAmelie: could i link a picture with swear words in? just hypothetically
TXC2: TehAmelie whisper it too me first
monosceros: #LetTehAmelieSayFuck
CapnRobert: youll get it!
HorusFive: That seems like a good policy
lirazel64: PJSalt500
MennoKnight42: also it screams at you endlessly
TehAmelie: seemed apropos
wildpeaks: become one with the machine
MennoKnight42: it's like having a toddler!
monosceros: oh that's so great @TehAmelie
TXC2: MennoKnight42 what kind of Toddlers have you been around? :p
monosceros: one of these days the PiF opening will be just that
WiltLeafWanderer: If anyone can get there, Cammander, it’s you
MolaMolaphant: such a good image...
MennoKnight42: ones that other people have raised
MennoKnight42: (worked in a daycare for a short time)
white_wampa: Menno has spent too much time in a d- I was going to say
Notbri: ew what the fuck
Vyous: Just play how I want you to play 5head
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white_wampa: And we appreciate you Dr Cameron geekiNiet
lirazel64: Toddlers have occasional sweet moments... I feel that Ludwig was always a gloomy kid.
monosceros: that's two lethals and a half
Jmonkey49: HYPE!
PharaohBender27: Think the person who was really harping on that sort of thing isn't even here anymore
Uzumaki15: Wait, you can respec your character? How big of a downside is that given (I've not played)
MolaMolaphant: @Uzumaki15 you cannot. At all.
PharaohBender27: @Uzumaki15 Don't - just . . . don't
Jmonkey49: @uzumaki15 no you can except new game
PixelArtDragon: Remember, it's okay to make kids cry if they're horrifying distorted monsters
monosceros: I'm quite sure Ludwig will cry unprompted
Jmonkey49: Cams build is fine and He will beat this boss
Uzumaki15: Ah lol :D
Snowcookies: Ludwig moves too fast
Notbri: This is all the worst parts of Artorius' and Kalameet's movesets with a splash of Manus for bad measure
Snowcookies: for a big guy
MennoKnight42: neither did the game, the camera seemed to think you'd become the boss for a moment
PixelArtDragon: @monosceros Ludwig is the "cry, then check if anyone's paying attention" kind of todler
TXC2: see that was a good run, and then that charge happens
Jmonkey49: @snowcookies they all kinda move fast
sleepscience_: Even when you can respec like in Dark this point in a game like this, you've spent countless hours building your specs around the specific playstyle you've developed, so telling someone to respec is like telling them their developed playstyle is bad and they should feel bad, which is rude
wildpeaks: !advice
LRRbot: Don't challenge the chat.
GapFiller: !badadvice
LRRbot: Crush a dew!
wildpeaks: true, chat is the final boss
cyplix8: This guy feels like if they gave the blood starved beast tons of steroids.
lirazel64: @pixelartdragon Yupà
PharaohBender27: And of course what constitutes "flawlessly" seems to change each time
drowbard: Is it worth it to upgrade your weapon?
niccus: we can't iirc
TXC2: drowbard it's as upgraded as it can be
PharaohBender27: @drowbard That's the *other* thing that was irritating lrrCAMERON
wildpeaks: ok the comedic timing on that one was just great
MolaMolaphant: @drowbard always, yes, but I don't think we can right now
JaymicUnyielding: He's not resistant to his own sword, correct? I know it'd be weird, but there's weirder stuff in this game.
Vinny_Fives: hey all :) What's on the blood and blood accessories-related agenda today
drowbard: Apologies, I though there was one saved from last time and wasn't paying attention
TXC2: hello Vinny_Fives welcome
Coinman1863: @JaymicUnyielding He's not no
PixelArtDragon: @JaymicUnyielding We were having similar damage issues with another weapon
PharaohBender27: @Vinny_Fives See that big bastard over there? That's what's on the menu
JaymicUnyielding: Okay, just checking.
lirazel64: We tried something different early on, and it did nothing.
Vinny_Fives: ahh, horse times.
PharaohBender27: @Vinny_Fives And that horse is being *very* rude to us
white_wampa: Ludwig is worst or best Brony?
monosceros: that horse was raised in a barn!
Vinny_Fives: :( well dang. I assume politely asking the horse to stop has yielded few results
PharaohBender27: @monosceros That horse was raised in a manure pile
Snowcookies: white_wampa worst
Tom_Bruise: @white_wampa the worst brony; he'd just keep screeching and screaming while everyone's just trying to be friends
ritchards: Ludwig, you're screaming a lot. Use your words, honey.
monosceros: @PharaohBender27 given its choice of living in a blood pond, at least it's moved up in the world
Vinny_Fives: I'm sure he's quite reasonable if you can engage in some mutual deep breathing exercises. Get that blood pressure down
CyberColossus: state of play just finished. looks pretty alright. Still leaning toward a PC Though
monosceros: to be fair that is quite appropriate. a lot of people find the second phase more relaxed than the first @Vinny_Fives LUL
Vinny_Fives: @monosceros Then my therapist wasn't lying to me! :D
TXC2: the player really ought to have I-frames on standing to prevent that sort of bullshit
TXC2: You're really not Cameron, you are VERY good at this game
CapnRobert: you got this! your not bad cam
wildpeaks: it is a hard boss and you're also streaming, it's extra hard
Malkaresh: Maybe for next stream just for a change of pace, you can go down the blood river. There are a ton of chunks to be had and we could upgrade our weapons a little further.
PenguinMortified: nah, you're doing great, he's just a beefy beefgate
WiltLeafWanderer: Gotta run, but it was a pleasure watching as always Cam. Soon this abomination will be in the same trashcan as the rest. Take care!
Vinny_Fives: You've got decent reflexes for this fight. His attacks are just absurdly damaging and really hard to dodge
MolaMolaphant: I finally beat this boss after getting all the way to final boss on my playthrough. This fight is really obnoxious.
white_wampa: Head Pat
TXC2: so long WiltLeafWanderer stay safe
PharaohBender27: You said earlier someone spent 12 bussing hours on this one fight, so you're probably doing as good as you can without an extreme dose of luck
Tom_Bruise: on the plus side, once this boss is finally dead, fighting all the other ones will be a cakewalk
PharaohBender27: *as good as anyone can
monosceros: Ludwig is just a genuinely hard boss that requires the right combination of muscle memory and luck to beat. You're doing fine and learning each run, like how you've successfully dodged the charge several times now
HorusFive: Cam, I cant even conceive how one would learn to fight this thing, so you're proving your skill by just going in and making it look possible lrrCAMERON_SG
Tzeeeeentch: honestly ludwig is a giant pain in the arse, very much this games equivalent of O&S with how it gatekeeps the rest of the content
MennoKnight42: that attck punishes you for standing. he doesn't like it when you do that.
Tom_Bruise: don't stand in front of him, he'll get you. Also don't stand behind him, he'll get you. Also don't stand next to him, he'll get you.
TXC2: Ludwig's favourite song is "don't stand so close to me" Kappa
monosceros: his damage seems so inconsistent
PharaohBender27: ^
MennoKnight42: this is like fighting a shmup boss that kills you when you touch it, but you only have a sword
Vinny_Fives: his hp is 16,658 :\ what a beast
Machtung7: @Tom_Bruise also don't stand too far away cuz he'll get to you in a blink
HorusFive: @TXC2 i thought it was [incoherent screaming]
Tom_Bruise: Yea just whenever Ludwig does anything, be somewhere else
Machtung7: I feel like you should be doing more than that...
Vinny_Fives: fire is his lowest resist, so your cards are all in the right place :\
TXC2: 56 hits, but yes
Machtung7: Are weapon isn't at risk, is it?
Vinny_Fives: can you put fire paper on a fire-enchanted weapon?
PendelSteven: 'Ello
EvilBadman: Nope
gjo900: Doesn't arcane scale all the way to 99?
TXC2: Vinny_Fives you cannot no
PendelSteven: Well, I think you should watch Game of Play
Vinny_Fives: arcane weapons stop scaling after 25. Tools scale to 99
Jmonkey49: @gjo900 only hunter tools
TXC2: gjo900 tools dom weapons soft cap
CompletelyUnsure: Can you cheese him with poison daggers or something? Spitballing here.
MolaMolaphant: @Machtung7 no icon up for that
TehAmelie: i'm guessing 60 hits with glitches. over 100 swings with misses
PendelSteven: It ende with God of W...
PendelSteven: Godfall
GapFiller: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: LRRMtG (James and Adam play Magic: The Gathering in its digital form. Game: Magic: The Gathering) at Thu 02:00 PM PDT (8m from now).
GapFiller: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 2:50:59.
PendelSteven: That reminded me a bit of this
Machtung7: @MolaMolaphant Oh that's true. I forgot they at least remind you of that lol
Machtung7: and none of our bloodgems are bad against beasts?
Vinny_Fives: get out your cheering apparatus, folks! *ceremonial air horn*
PendelSteven: tunnel
ButButTheJesus: yeah this is why I haven't tried to get into these games - this is exactly what I'd be doing, probably more frequently. and I don't have the time and there's other stuff I wanna play
PharaohBender27: Cheer203
PendelSteven: What a high pitch for such a big creature
Milocw: well for being able to make so many attempts, thanks to frank for doing our chores for us
JosephDeath: Have we hit phase 2 at all yet?
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BizarroNavarro: is this guy parry-able?
TXC2: JosephDeath nope
Vinny_Fives: I just realize that it seems as though Ludwig melted into his own horse when he took this form.
TXC2: BizarroNavarro nope
PendelSteven: Ah, now we can see Ludwig's health
PharaohBender27: Camera plz
monkeyrama: Camera NotLikeThis
PendelSteven: You might move your head to the very right under
ninjaspinner: Hey Cam! hope your day is going well my friend!
Vinny_Fives: :\ an honest attempt, chum
PendelSteven: Okay then
GamesAndInk: @BizarroNavarro There's no trick to this boss. There's no secret tech. The strategy guides and wiki just tell you to keep dodging and hitting his 15 different fast attacks.
Vinny_Fives: good effort! :)
Zaghrog: You made progress
TXC2: thanks for streaming Cameron
MolaMolaphant: take care of yourself Cam. have a relaxing rest of your day. Appreciate your sharing this with us
GapFiller: thanks for streaming Cam lrrCAMERON lrrHEART lrrHEART lrrHEART
JaymicUnyielding: Great job today! You'll beat him Monday, I'm sure. : )
GamesAndInk: Thank you for streaming Cam! I hope that when you beat him, it'll be worth it, and I hope you have a great rest of the day :)
HorusFive: ShowLove123 We'll visit Steve at the gate again next week
vmob: thanks for streaming, Cam!
Vinny_Fives: Thanks muchly for streaming Cam lrrCAMERON
sleepscience_: Repair weapon before ending so it's repaired already for next session?
Milocw: thanks cam
Ritaspirithntr: lrrHEART lrrHEART lrrHEART
sleepscience_: Also, great run of attempts, well done
sleepscience_: Fair enough
PenguinMortified: inventory souls?
sleepscience_: I could have looked to see that, my bad
TXC2: PenguinMortified also none
Vinny_Fives: If you mail me your PS4, you'll be level 99 when you come back lrrHEART
drowbard: For what little it is worth I am sorry my one post was adding to the stream of unwanted suggestions. Thanks for the stream and have a nice rest of your day, Cam
GamesAndInk: Have a great weekend!
TXC2: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: LRRMtG (James and Adam play Magic: The Gathering in its digital form. Game: Magic: The Gathering) at Thu 02:00 PM PDT (1m from now).
lirazel64: Good weekend, Cam!
Vinny_Fives: have a good weekend!
PharaohBender27: PrideWave lrrHEART
TXC2: !events
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monosceros: backing away from these games often is better for your following attempts
Snowcookies: Bye Cam!
monosceros: thank you for streaming, cameron!
HorusFive: We believe in you lrrCAMERON_SG
TXC2: !patreon
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GapFiller: bai Cam lrrCAMERON see yr later lrrHEART xoxoxo
TXC2: !discord
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TXC2: !twitter
monkeyrama: Have a nice day, Cam SeemsGood
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vmob: good bing!
Ritaspirithntr: Take care of yourself Cam!!
TXC2: Goodnight Everybody
monkeyrama: Gnight @TXC2
monkeyrama: We're still live
monkeyrama: @LoadingReadyRun
Diabore: this is new
monkeyrama: Adam
Naarius: Hey Adammmm
GapFiller: Best. Bonus. Content. Ever.
jonasjonIV: Adam!
monkeyrama: We seee you
Vyous: Still live Adam! @LoadingReadyRun
Cepsys: smooth transition lrrAWESOME
ninjaspinner: WE IN THERE
Naarius: So this is how the sausage is made
RegulusPratus: Pro tier transition, imo
monkeyrama: Stream never went down NotLikeThis
amuseoffirebane: hello highlight reel
Ritaspirithntr: Hi Adam!
GapFiller: monkeyrama why dont they do this more often? Kappa
accountmadeforants: lrrSIGNAL_TK lrrSIGNAL_TK lrrSIGNAL_TK Going live?
monkeyrama: Never went offline
accountmadeforants: Hence the thinkies
Robot_Bones: can't go live if you never went off line seabatBRAIN
TheWarbo: Draftination benginUroPog
monkeyrama: Oops whoops
monkeyrama: Heather might have some words
monkeyrama: Hi Adam LUL
GapFiller: good evening Adam
Robot_Bones: Saw you pickin yer nose Kappa
LRRTwitter: @loadingreadyrun> Adam and James are two of the best friends in the entire world. | Today, their friendship will be tested by Magic's true trial: "why would you click through our second main phase" | ||
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CommanderCrossing: woot 6 years
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GapFiller: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 1:52.
PendelSteven: Hmm, something MTG Limited
rylegrimrick: what dis
PendelSteven: 'Ello chaps and birds
yakbop: did Cameron do it?
GapFiller: Magic
PendelSteven: and anything that you want to be called
monkeyrama: WHat drafts are up right now? Still dominaria and m21?
sam_spicy: Hey everyone!
ninjaspinner: MagicMagicMagicMagi
ninjaspinner: c
PendelSteven: Yeah, MtG is a fun game, there might be a future for it
rylegrimrick: !servofacts
PendelSteven: Volume is low
monkeyrama: Hello
monkeyrama: For the first time OpieOP
DiscordianTokkan: Hello!
monkeyrama: Luckily it was mostly on the going online screen OpieOP
floki4242: the bus is coming
Robot_Bones: Adam, for the first Time
RegulusPratus: Hello, good to see ya
kumatsu: We got to see a real cute Adam smile when you sat down
monkeyrama: We saw you sit down, that was basically it
JanuaryAndOn: Hey Fran!
GapFiller: hai Adam we deffo didnt see yr swap over w/ Cam back there Kappa
PendelSteven: Please raise the volume slowly
kumatsu: Late James? I'm out
monkeyrama: Dang, I only show up for James
TwitchTVsFrank: lrrJAMES
Robot_Bones: James Fans? lrrBEEJ
RegulusPratus: So what you're saying is that our princess is in another castle?
e_bloc: lets win some games before James gets here and ruins everything
Flyingdelorion: Hello Adam and chat!
TwitchTVsFrank: a "meeting"
ninjaspinner: @LoadingReadyRun Hey Adam. Sorry for the @ just wanted to give you an Update. I'm The Sagat from your stream a few days ago! Because of your positivity and cheering me on I reached Super Silver ^_^
EJGRgunner: cheer50 It's so hot here, and my AC just isn't cutting it. Fortunately, James is on his way to provide a nice, cool, refreshing flood.
Omthebox: What are you on about now
volraths_bane: Late James? I'm in.
monkeyrama: Why not both? seabatCHOICE
TheMandrew: i dunno, I watch this show for Graham
PendelSteven: I think I've added +24 db of decibels in my mixer now
monkeyrama: WAIT
ninjaspinner: Nah
JanuaryAndOn: WAIT
monkeyrama: Are you?
yakbop: watch Adams stream you trogs
monkeyrama: Awww
e_bloc: I know what you're talking about
ninjaspinner: I was in your stream a few days back. You were Rockin' R Mika
ForOhForError: aww
monkeyrama: Still cool to see you here, though
RegulusPratus: I know you've been streaming Street Fighter at home
monkeyrama: Adam's a Mika Main
Omthebox: ninjaspinner seabatPjorg
EJGRgunner: Booth view
volraths_bane: I'm the Dan from your stream in 4 months
PendelSteven: Show game plz
JackingWolf: theros LUL
rylegrimrick: Opinions on Dan finally being announced?
monkeyrama: Booth cam
monkeyrama: OP
ninjaspinner: Rush him down. Don't let him breath. If You let him control the screen, it's his game As a sagat player. That's my advice
mr_borschik: Hi Adam! Hi chat! lrrHEART Have fun drafting!
PendelSteven: Ok
TwitchTVsFrank: down with booth cam!
sterlingsojourner: Quick, while James isn't here lets go 7-0
PendelSteven: We found the right scene yay
RegulusPratus: Draft a janky deck and make James pilot it
monkeyrama: You are learning, for sure
drowbard: Wait, did you briefly resist leaving booth cam? Who are you and what did you do with Adam?
ninjaspinner: Sagat HATES Corner Pressure.
ninjaspinner: So you're on the right track
Omthebox: Look at me, its a street fighter stream now
PendelSteven: Street Fighter, also a fun game, that might have a longer life than the early 90s
PendelSteven: Like that Magic game
monkeyrama: I do feel like most characters hate to be pressured
monkeyrama: Steel leaf is very good
PendelSteven: Imagine saying to a friend: there will be Magic playing and talk about Street Fighter in 2020.... In 1994
Diabore: life your best life adam, take grow
PendelSteven: Hadouken!
kumatsu: Force Saprolings or I'll watch anyway cuz I enjoy your content
monkeyrama: More sour patch? PogChamp
ninjaspinner: PS: Sagat, for magic players. Is a 6/6 First Strike Trampler with Haste. If you Block Sagat. it does one damage to Target Ryu you control: If you control a card called Chest Scar, you do 3 damage instead Kappa
theblackerlotus: golgari xD
monkeyrama: Take another triple pip PogChamp
EJGRgunner: Dread shade isn't even that good
PendelSteven: I follow a podcast about arcade games called... Podouken!
sterlingsojourner: Live that horrible dream
PendelSteven: Kicker Elf
theblackerlotus: we will get a gary Lol
Earthenone: taps for green mana, we need that :)
weff47: last draft I did I 7-1'ed with a wizards deck, it's so good
volraths_bane: Elf or Animus?
Himyul: my eyes are lying to me. For a moment I thought it literally said ghitu pizzamage.
PendelSteven: ooooh
EJGRgunner: I might take Animus juste because removal seems so sparse
Omthebox: ninjaspinner you'll fit in great here LUL
NoTomToLose: Late Kavu!
monkeyrama: Kavu is straight value
ninjaspinner: 2 Drop
PendelSteven: We so kicking
ninjaspinner: ALSO Adam BTW
monkeyrama: Kicker.dec
TheElrad: the tweet suggested more James than I'm getting right now :p
EJGRgunner: El spidro mammote?
monkeyrama: James is in a meeting LUL
PendelSteven: Spider is always fine
JanuaryAndOn: no spider they sacre me
PendelSteven: and maybe needreach
Omthebox: Is "in a meeting" a nice way of saying stuck on a toilet
PendelSteven: pretty much
ninjaspinner: Have been catching myself on the assuming my opponent issue: have been working harder as promised, and am now catching myself and fixing more ^^
sterlingsojourner: El Spidro Mammut
monkeyrama: 4 mana removal
PendelSteven: Araña
monkeyrama: 👀
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ptay313: we were golgari all along :)
Earthenone: we are playing arena, flawless logic
monkeyrama: Very nice @ninjaspinner
monkeyrama: That's great to hear
PendelSteven: ¡Araña Gigante!
monkeyrama: The system works!
PendelSteven: Envoy is a 3/2 for 2G
monkeyrama: envoy is fine for the body if we need it
PendelSteven: Gif
ninjaspinner: It's funny. Two years ago. I got to go to Sooke. and my Brother took me to YellowJacket. I kinda geeked out because I considered it like my LRR Pilgramage :P Being from Nova Scotia? That was totally worth it to me
SnivianMoon: Animus IS removal.
volraths_bane: I'd animus
PendelSteven: Did we not talk about Gift of Growth?
NoTomToLose: The Memorial wheeled :D
monkeyrama: Ramping PogChamp
EJGRgunner: Animus wheeled?!
SnivianMoon: Ramp early, ramp often
ninjaspinner: Animus Wheeeled
strictlycheese: Sultai VALUE
Silvertunga: Hello sweetie-cutie-dorbs <3 I am just stopping by on my morning routine before people demand my attention to throw some <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 at yinz, hope you're having a wonderful day/stream/evening/night/whichever <3 kthxbye!
ninjaspinner: More like SALT-ai Value
strictlycheese: but if you combine gift with the fight spell, you can pump!
monkeyrama: Muldrotha would be sick
EJGRgunner: Multani would be great to see
Veste: "inside of the deck" is quite a phrase
monkeyrama: Wow, you've seen 3 of the mono colored 3 drops
SnivianMoon: Whenever Muldrotha isn't in the pack, people should be asking "Where's Muldrotha?!"
weff47: just need djinn and chainwhirler
monkeyrama: Neverending supply of sour patch kids
volraths_bane: Fungal?
Himyul: did you bring enough to share with the whole class?
strictlycheese: cloudreader and go value
EJGRgunner: I like the sphinx most in that pack
ninjaspinner: Fungal
NoTomToLose: Speculate on Lightning
ninjaspinner: Green Red Never Dead
PendelSteven: And if nothing else Sphinx counterdrafting