beowuuf: homework done! pointing finger ready!
accountmadeforants: Pointing is rude, I need a few more beers to get over my morals.
beowuuf: if we could get some hiring authority we could a-ppoint which is less rude?
accountmadeforants: I'm sure they'd need to pass rigorous checks of whatever office we're appointing them to.
beowuuf: yeah but the checks happen after the point, so we're still good for the pointing bit. Just don't be around for the checking :)
accountmadeforants: I'm starting to see your point. I'll check off on your plan.
beowuuf: to change the subject completely, bartleby is the new community manager *runs*
beowuuf: sergeJustRight
accountmadeforants: That seems good. They seem like the kinda entity that could straighten Twitter out.
accountmadeforants: Fostering a sense of community through discomfort.
beowuuf: Anything's worth a try at this point :p
PharaohBender27: Ahoy-hoy! PrideWave Is it just me, or did Twitch change their fonts again?
accountmadeforants: I'll clear out my cache and check, doesn't look like it to me, at least.
PharaohBender27: Hold on, I'll quit Twitch and reopen it, see what happens
accountmadeforants: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
accountmadeforants: Yup, they did
beowuuf: seems fine for me, but who knows with twitch!
accountmadeforants: Shruggie's arm is no longer broken.
PharaohBender27: HahaShrugLeft HahaShrugMiddle HahaShrugRight You mean this?
beowuuf: \_(ツ)_/¯
PharaohBender27: I don't think I like this new font. The kerning seems a little off, and the usernames look like they've been slightly squished downward
accountmadeforants: Pre-clearing out cache: Post-clearing out cache:
beowuuf: huh, well that's justweird
PharaohBender27: OK I see - the new font looks OK in light mode, but in dark mode it's off
jessieimproved: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: CheckPoint+ (Paul, Beej and Heather chat about Video Games and Video Game related news :D) at Fri 02:00 PM PDT (38s from now).
DaSunao: Oh hell, I just noticed the new font
Raiz0k: ohai
PharaohBender27: That's what it looks like in dark mode
accountmadeforants: The new font is Inter, while the old font was Roobert TWHINT. I prefer the new one, anyway.
beowuuf: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: CheckPoint+ (Paul, Beej and Heather chat about Video Games and Video Game related news :D) at Fri 02:00 PM PDT (0s from now).
beowuuf: heated with clock :p
Juliamon: nailed it!
beowuuf: *cheated
PharaohBender27: @beowuuf katesNice
Raiz0k: Oh, the channel isn't live yet. But 60%? w00t!
GapFiller: beowuuf nice v nice
beowuuf: :D
accountmadeforants: Looks fine in dark mode for me, but maybe that's because I'm on a 4K monitor at 175% scaling:
ZaxusEMK: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: CheckPoint+ (Paul, Beej and Heather chat about Video Games and Video Game related news :D) at Fri 02:00 PM PDT (1m ago).
Pteraspidomorphi: There's a new font?
beowuuf: kathleen' island tour really cleaned checkpoint nd fnpf are some heavy hitters too
Raiz0k: @accountmadeforants : thanks for the confirmation that the font is way too small, here I though I was going blind with just 120%.
Pteraspidomorphi: Test
PharaohBender27: @accountmadeforants OK when I go fullscreen it's less bothersome other than the usernames, but I'm doing work from home, so I need to be on half-screen at most.
accountmadeforants: Pteraspidomorphi There is!
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RandomTrivia: We have lrrSIGNAL
PharaohBender27: lrrSIGNAL !
Earthenone: lrrSIGNAL
beowuuf: lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL
accountmadeforants: lrrDILLY
RandomTrivia: Shinji, get in the Crown Vic!
DaSunao: lrrDILLY
ButButTheJesus: hewwo chat! is this a CHKPNK?
Raiz0k: I'm so proud of the obligation to duty in this community.
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beowuuf: while it's a shame a crush of people doesn't let you see your total, i also appreciate the lack of complete spam and scroll that would cause
jessieimproved: Wait I'm on mobile, and I'm never on mobile, so is the ice cream challenge done???
LRRTwitter: @loadingreadyrun> Time for Chillpoint! Hang out with Heather, Beej and Paul and chat about the week's gaming news. 📷 ||
ButButTheJesus: @Raiz0k i have literally joined all the LRR streams I could in the past couple days, not cause I was going to watch them, but so I could do the ice cream thing
beowuuf: 60%
Raiz0k: @jessieimproved : 60%.
jessieimproved: okay I guess you just can't see it on mobile then huh
Juliamon: On mobile you need to use a browser
Juliamon: The app doesn't have challenge functionality yet
jessieimproved: ahhh
Raiz0k: Yeah, the spam would be horrible Beowulf, and this is probably one of the most-viewed streams, so....
cgwonder: so, i may be just being dim here, but what does raising 10 million channel points actually do? like i get that it's a challange and its funny etc but how does it help LRR? is it just about viewer engagement?
Lord_ZYRK: !icream
LRRbot: James in his hubris has challenged chat to give 10 million channel points so he'll go get Ice cream for the rest of LRR! You can contribute up to 2000 points per stream (you'll need to refresh between streams) so get cracking!
beowuuf: it's still a little spammy, but tolerably so :p
accountmadeforants: cgwonder James promised to buy and deliver ice cream for everyone on the crew.
Juliamon: It's giving us an outlet for our hundreds of thousands of points.
ButButTheJesus: its like Whose Line Is It Anyway, the points don't matter
CanPlayGames: lrrJAMES jlrrIcream lrrJAMES
beowuuf: but yeah, channel points stealth engagement
GapFiller: phunnily enough James originally intended the points per stream ting to be MUCH stricter
Lithobraker: I feel like the tell James about Minecraft Steve in Smash on Twitter part of Checkpoint was a bit of revenge on James for the Icecream challenge
Lord_ZYRK: cgwonder Channel Points hold no value and are constructed to encourage viewer engagement.
cgwonder: @Lord_ZYRK ah cool, thanks! I did think it was that
Raiz0k: @ButButTheJesus : not to that extent, since most streams are at an ungodly hour CEST-wise, but I'm also going for that as much as possible.
TheMerricat: appearently his phone was blowing up on the MTG stream last night but no idea if it was from Twitter or actual happenings :)
Sarah_Serinde: Only one person listened to Beej despite the video with "Yes I know about Smash" playing, so at least it wasn't that spammy
beowuuf: just saw that vod :)
RandomTrivia becomes prepared
Sarah_Serinde: This morning, I mean. Yesterday all stream we had a LOT of people coming in to tell us about it
GapFiller: Sarah_Serinde Twitch chat paying attention to what is actually onscreen? never!
beowuuf: saw that other vod yesterday, many people, much smash
Raiz0k: Yes. Everything is live.
Sarah_Serinde: Too much Beej!
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GaelanS: I do not understand twitch logic I def haven't been subbed for 6 months straight
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ButButTheJesus: excessive Beej!
RandomTrivia: Enhance!
SpacePotato01: no such thing
Raiz0k: That is the truth.
RobotInProgress: BIG BEEJ
QuietJay: Is it live?
GapFiller: good evening lrrPAUL P lrrBEEEJ B lrrHEATHER H lrrHEART
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innovativemethods: ah, so not live?
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Juliamon: Is Paul a little loud or do I still need to learn this new laptop's settings better?
Sarah_Serinde: Paul is peaky today
BusTed: So live
Lord_ZYRK: Technically it's pre-recorded due to stream delay Kappa
ashteranic: mmm, pre-recorded live-stream
beowuuf: checkpoint never not live lrrBEEJ
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SoaringDragon42: Almost 1 year!
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GapFiller: love how right at the end yr got a zoom right in of Beejs black eyes
chi7891: Can we get heather added to the credits? Can we start this meme?
CanPlayGames: Paul looking handsome
SpacePotato01: everything is pre-recorded. The entire universe is.
beowuuf: someone clip that for firnsarwen :p
Sarah_Serinde: Much better, thanks Paul
Pteraspidomorphi: The Usual
Sarah_Serinde shakes fist at Windows
SnackPak_: thanks Windows
TheMerricat: Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't!
ShaneLeeAtk: Good ol' Microsoft
Juliamon: Classic Windows
GhostValv: it fine
Goorguy: Sa'll right
iris_of_ether: Doing good! Is birthday! lrrHORN
ShaneLeeAtk: It's Friday and I have a peach lambic.
ShaneLeeAtk: It is good
Foxmar320: Very tired, I got no sleep last night
Juliamon: I still have 422k points
PharaohBender27: Corgo333 Our collective bits game has been a bit off for recent Chillpoints, so here's some bits to rectify that
ButButTheJesus: I am ok! I just picked up the Star Wars game!
DeM0nFiRe: jlrrIcream
Raiz0k: What are you spending them on, I wonder.
Pteraspidomorphi: I still have 251k, need more sinks
Sarah_Serinde: I still have 521k channel points >_>
ButButTheJesus: @iris_of_ether happ birf!
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DoodlestheGreat: It's going 61% ICE CREAM, that's how it's going!
GaelanS: does LRR get money from me spending my channel points?
GapFiller: jlrrIcream jlrrIcream jlrrIcream lrrDILLY lrrDILLY lrrDILLY
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TheWooglie: Ice cream
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Scar_Red_Tiger: What's this about Ice cream?
GhostValv: still at 435.9 k
CAKHost: I still have like 98.6K still
iris_of_ether: @ButButTheJesus Thankie!
Raiz0k: 62%, actually!
GapFiller: hand delivered by James even
cgwonder: so it's highly likely that we'll get to 100% by the end of the weekend, but do you guys then have to wait 20 days until james will give you the ice cream?
Easilycrazyhat: i-cream!
ContingentCat: But this is Ice cream James has to get
beowuuf: no money only engagement
Scar_Red_Tiger: I havent heard anything about this
NarwhalsInATrenchcoat: Getting to see another person is the goal here
TheMerricat: @GaelanS no, that would be wonderful but no. It's just channel engagements
DoodlestheGreat: We'll get you some froyo, Beej.
BusTed: Sweeter than any cream.
Blue_Anteater: I still have over 600k
accountmadeforants: But really, Windows has never done that to me. And given the speakers and headphones I've hooked up to my PCs, I'm sure I would've noticed by becoming deaf.
TheAinMAP: jlrrIcream
RandomTrivia: Ice cream tastes all the sweeter with the added Hubris of James
GapFiller: !icream
LRRbot: James in his hubris has challenged chat to give 10 million channel points so he'll go get Ice cream for the rest of LRR! You can contribute up to 2000 points per stream (you'll need to refresh between streams) so get cracking!
DoodlestheGreat: And if that doesn't work, POPSICLES!
ShogunNoonto: lrrDILLY_TK
PharaohBender27: katesLol
SnackPak_: that'd be so good
Easilycrazyhat: That'd be amazing
Raiz0k: :D
beowuuf: LOL
cgwonder: we don't have that much self control, Beej
Pteraspidomorphi: James would just finish it himself
QuietJay: hazno99
accountmadeforants: From there on out, just donate a single channel point. To keep the chat spam going, at least.
Dragonality: Stop at 99% until the LAST minute
GapFiller: ahhh the DB spike
ShaneLeeAtk: Have a Bonus Stream to knock that out.
elkae: Ladies and gents and non-binary friends <3
MadCmdrMoe: Hold it till James' birthday
Gizmoloid: I think you overestimate or self-control and coordination :)
Raiz0k: Getting it to the 99% and dragging out would be an groundbreaking feat for any Twitch community, *even* as healthy as this one.
Gizmoloid: *our
innovativemethods: lrrAWW_SQ for channel points
Ivalenz_: Award or ad, same thing.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: they have that plaque money
Lithobraker: It's like the subscriber plaque for Youtube
Pteraspidomorphi: Tripadvisor is the main yelp here
accountmadeforants: I mean, your alternative "real" award is from a tire company hoping to make you wear out their tires by traveling.
Raiz0k: Beej, is it actually styled like a combini?
drcanonball: now i want sushi...
ReynardWrecca: Pity the man who loves sushi and lives in rural North Yorkshire :/
Feminine_Desires: oh twitch changed the colours too damn it these hurt my eyes
virre_: Tripadvisor is sligthly better on not just buying rating than Yelp and tend to have accurate information and ratings
ContingentCat: Is that saying something really good about that grocery store sushi or really bad about your sushi resteraunts
RockPusher: The best way to wake up
accountmadeforants: Feminine_Desires But Readable Colours actually sticks now!
BusTed: seabatBRAIN
GhostValv: seabatUseless
Pteraspidomorphi: Try enabling readable colors, yeah
Raiz0k: Don't worry Beej, no need to go full anti-weeb yet xD.
TheOtherTrevor: Davie
Scar_Red_Tiger: In toronto that's Church st.
GapFiller: its like getting sushi in the desert
GapFiller: at a certain lvl yr taking yr chances there
accountmadeforants: Oh, but Readable Colours is much more forgiving on the reds, now. That's a bit annoying.
Raiz0k: Paul, a lot of the stuff is just frozen immediately, so it's relatively fresh (some EU regulations mandate it even).
QuietJay: Fresh sushi flown in nearly daily!
geail: It's convenient quarters!
Juliamon: !addquote (Heather) [now] You should always be suspicious of Calgary anyway.
LRRbot: New quote #7258: "You should always be suspicious of Calgary anyway." —Heather [2020-10-02]
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AtomicAlchemical: 13 months? That's almost 1 year!
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lirazel64: In the long-lost days of my youth, my mom had a rule -- never eat fresh fish in a state/province without a seacoast.
angryoptimist: ICE CREAM! is gonna happen fast, huh?
GapFiller: given to understand Alberta is Canadas Texas
RobotInProgress: Fish brick
DoodlestheGreat: It depends. I mean, if the ingredients are freshly sourced, then it may be acceptable sushi.
innovativemethods: hey. Montreal also uses a grid! it's aligned to a compass, even!
Lithobraker: All US sushi fish has been pre frozen, and frozen fish keeps pretty well for years based on personal experience
GapFiller: my opinion o Calgary and other places in Alberta has always been coloured by that
lirazel64: Boston == roads defined by cows.
PixelArtDragon: Quadrants? Sounds like they could use a stable wormhole!
Tandtroll_OG: Paths go where paths want to go. Silly to force them into a grid
GapFiller: this all sounds worryingly close to crossing the roads in Mainland China
Manae: My town has that two (it's called the five points locally) but that's because it was an old mining town and they just built roads as they needed them with no planning
GapFiller: which for those unaware is a terrifying life threatening experience
GaelanS: not Douglas road. it's just named douglas
lirazel64: Springfield, MA has an intersection called the X. Eight roads cross there.
ZeroArcana: ah, just put in a roundabout; problem solved*
elmyra23: north Americans are adorable.
RockPusher: If Beej wants complicated intersection, come to my city!
Raiz0k: :D
ogier300: That intersection used to be a roundabout, too.
xX_Before_The_Dawn_Xx: Paul, paved donkey paths is how I build my cities in Skylines
GapFiller: so what yr sayin is crossing the street in Canada is not unlike crossing the street in the PRC in all the wrong ways
ogier300: They turned it into that 5-way light set up to simplify things.
accountmadeforants: ogier300 That seems... backwards
innovativemethods: someone has never seen Canadians try to navigate a roundabout
Tandtroll_OG: This feels like a very natural segueway from Serges Cities skylines stram
BusTed: PokBlastoise
lirazel64: lagging
GapFiller: this is business noos worthy of Vince McMahon
ContingentCat: I forsee everyone responding "ok we'll go back to not playing pokemon go"
Raiz0k: Essentially the Chad Niantic.
Juliamon: I feel justified in ditching PoGo. I knew the accessibility options wouldn't be permanent.
Kerrisis: Google “Magic roundabout Swindon” if you want a complicated road junction.
accountmadeforants: The money gremlins are out, all they know about profitability and value is through extracting it by force. They see happy faces and think they're doing something wrong.
Creideiki_SE: Roundabouts are cool until you meet someone driving the wrong way around one. That woke me up on the way home from work.
GapFiller: why make a buck when yr can make a cent eh
Lord_ZYRK: SingsNote Mr. Sandman / sand me a Beej SingsNote But don't sling buckets / like he's under siege SingsNote
Raiz0k: "We saw you devolve into little more than perambulatory fat blobs".
elkae: That's beautiful, Zyrk
Raiz0k: Yeah, you even mentioned the accessibility angle I think.
SniHjen: @Lord_ZYRK ♫ give him red lips like clover, tell him him his lonely days are over ♫
hesterbyrde: Beej-floof!
Juliamon: I don't imagine those changes will stay much longer.
greenkingwashere: beej 😻
accountmadeforants: I can be out walking, but not in any areas where PoGo thinks I should.
Juliamon: I'm sorry, I'm just... so tired of disabled people being given the finger by big companies like this
WrightJustice: beej's hair is so wild
angryoptimist: Yeah, it's pretty crummy.
GapFiller: making money and civic responsibility rarely coexist peacefully
NimrodXIV: increase walking requirements as it is getting colder outside
elkae: Beej's hair is majestic, like he is
Foxmar320: Nope cant trash eggs still
angryoptimist: Civic responsibility and other more different civic responsibility often don't coexist either.
Kerrisis: The point of their game is to make money, benevolence doesn’t enter into the equation.
frnknstn: it makes you give money for better incubators
Kazman20a: I'm not sure its Civic responsibility so much as a self imposed vision of how the game "should be played"
Ivalenz_: Which hemisphere?
Sarah_Serinde: It is a long-time Pokemon thing though :D
Juliamon: It's canon to the Pokemon franchise that you walk to hatch eggs
Izandai: *hang on
ContingentCat: well right now walking outside is wonderful, it's that's blessed period between sweaty and freezing
angryoptimist: No reason it can't be a little of column A, a little of column B there, Kazman20a. Not that it would make it any less frustrating.
Solid_Fuel: dont you leave them at a daycare in some?
Tandtroll_OG: Now I dont play all of the pokemon games but arent there a lot of pokemon games that dont require walking alteady? Isnt it good that there are mNy
Invitare: originally it was probably a way of measuring time
Laserbeaks_Fury: Just hire a Chancey
Juliamon: Daycare is how you SPAWN eggs
Tandtroll_OG: Many different games*.
accountmadeforants: Seems like an evolutionary advantage, though. Explains why there's no other animals.
Raiz0k: All Pokemans are like sharks essentially?
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Pteraspidomorphi: Ah, yes
ContingentCat: Oh
NimrodXIV: spawn eggs, yep
Pteraspidomorphi: There exist eggs
PhoenixShaman: Bees?
SniHjen: squids
accountmadeforants: Eggs or tiny cages, as I understand.
Izandai: Well... They CAN come from eggs.
RandomTrivia: Technically the eggs aren't in-universe
GapFiller: well technically all irl animals come from eggs too
elkae: What is an egg but a tiny cage, really
Izandai: All those things also have non-egg ways of coming to be.
beowuuf: everything is eggs
GapFiller: like humans come from eggs
PhoenixShaman: yesss
Invitare: it used to be that everything in Minecraft was canonically genderless
angryoptimist: E G G
ContingentCat: oh no
Raiz0k: Noooot really, they *can* come from eggs, or they can spontaneously apparate.
delta__vee: o_O
constablecrab: Everything coming from eggs makes more sense than Minecraft water physics.
Earthenone: spider eagle eggs are a delicacy
NimrodXIV: and then they cook with them!
ContingentCat: well spiders do lay eggs
beowuuf: that ghast? an egg
Izandai: And it's not possible to get the spawn eggs without commands or creative mode.
couldntpickausername: Legend of Korra mentioned the existence of SpiderRats
ButButTheJesus: lrrSPOOP
AtomicAlchemical: They did in the manga I think...
constablecrab: Is a spider eagle just a bigger mosquito hawk?
GapFiller: spider eagles are indeed terrifying but whats even more frightening is mishearing that as spider weagles
kumatsu: A Spider with Eagle Wings is my Nine Inch Nails cover band
ContingentCat: what about a tiny eagle the size of a spider?
BusTed: Deep crow
Laserbeaks_Fury: Just gigantic spiders that HUNT eagles
SniHjen: a spider with a eagle head
Raiz0k: lrrFINE lrrFINE lrrFINE
ranknullity: I mean, spider monkeys are fine
Manae: Spider chicken with eight drumsticks
InquisitorGaia: i wonder if the manga author of hunterxhunter will ever be able to get back to it
accountmadeforants: It works, honestly.
PhoenixShaman: there is nothing that I would be happy to be merged with a spider, even another spider
Izandai: @Invitare I think that's still true for everything except the End Dragon, Steve, and Alex.
angryoptimist: Just what spiders needed: being giant and having the ability to FLY
frnknstn: eagle shoots web
delta__vee: I like the idea of just an eagle with 8 talons
theneatestburrito: Please no segmented eels...
constablecrab: An eagle Spiderman
Lord_ZYRK: Maybe it's just an eagle with a spider-shaped coloration patch
lirazel64: lrrCREEPL lrrCREEPR
TehAmelie: there are giant spiders and spiders that can fly. . .
Sethalidos: that wasn't a glitch
Raiz0k: And then we would end up with an egg xD?
Izandai: You'd have one of the towers in BOTW.
Tiber727: Maybe it's just an eagle that spins webs.
GapFiller: anyone else think flying into that sinkhole was more than a little reminiscent of the 2001 Star Gate? no? just me?
ContingentCat: or is that the actual location of the Hell Mouth
Raiz0k: Just like in real life!
footfungus880: lrrWOW
PhoenixShaman: bemuda triangle of flight sim
Gizmoloid: I can't find good images of spider-eagles but it looks like they're just fancy eagles that keep their eggs in webs.
excalgold: Arent maps in China deliberately off ? they use like a different standard for GPS then the rest of the world
excalgold: does that apply to flight sim i wonder ?
GapFiller: yes maps in China are wrong
angryoptimist: It's interesting when a game exposes real-life problems.
accountmadeforants: Turns out stitching maps on a sphere is still kinda hard.
AgentMagicMaster: Cloud computing! Except for human brains!
AgentMagicMaster: Wait...
SniHjen: beaches are a common area of height mapping bugs
RockPusher: This is why good navigation systems use multiple data inputs including sensing the actual environment
PharaohBender27: @excalgold How do they make the webs, though?
Lord_ZYRK: excalgold they use BeiDou instead of GPS
RockPusher: Imagine the gondola ride
Izandai: If there were right angles it would be weird, but this is also weird.
beowuuf: it's 2001 for the 2020's
Nigouki: shelves
Nigouki: put shelves on every wall
ContingentCat: Hanging pictures on half the walls is real tricky but the other half are simple
PhoenixShaman: a black hole over cern
Ivalenz_: Geocachinggeocaching
Raiz0k: I mean, it's just like in Kerbal.
herocruch: We need larger bean bags and wider rooms
accountmadeforants: I've been in an escape room that had some rooms at a 45 degree angle. They made me (and my colleagues) hella sick.
angryoptimist: I guess that's one way of looking at it.
Izandai: slytqLol
Lord_ZYRK: The Abominable Snowman from SkiFree running around the wild
SniHjen: take your bed, and screw it to the ceiling
ContingentCat: A lot of Velcro
excalgold: Ducttape or velcro?
Ivalenz_: Geocaching Simulator
NarwhalsInATrenchcoat: Heavy glue
Raiz0k: There was literally that kind of hole in one of the celestial bodies.'
GapFiller: that sounds like Beej wants to be a Katamari
Lord_ZYRK: Shaker pegs, Beej
excalgold: Beej with velcro bottomed pants to sit on the wall chairs?
GapFiller: a Beej KAtamari does sound pretty cool
delta__vee: load-bearing hot glue
accountmadeforants: More velcro to hold the velcro, but then...
PhoenixShaman: I just want to be like that bit in labyrinth where boi defies all physics
angryoptimist: An Escher painting looks nice, but I wouldn't want to live there.
Kazman20a: construction glue
herocruch: staple gun, nail gun AND hot glue
Lord_ZYRK: Industrial adhesive
PhoenixShaman: *bowie
Raiz0k: IKEA has cheap and good electric screwdrivers.
Lithobraker: That's literally how astronauts on the ISS sleep
GapFiller: Helluva conversation that
ShaneLeeAtk: A knife and a nail gun
Nigouki: the only issue with shelves on every wall if no room for posters, but i'm definitely happier with more room for physical media and other trinkets than posters
ButButTheJesus: :D
Izandai: What was the Projekt Red story? I forget.
Invitare: were the comments defending CRP or..?
RockPusher: Mandatory Crispy Day?
NarwhalsInATrenchcoat: I liked the Jump rope story as an out
GapFiller: Izandai mandatory crunh
Izandai: Ah, right, crunch for Cyberpunk.
GapFiller: *crunch
Raiz0k: [and for they record, I think LRR's cover is on point :) ]
Izandai: @GapFiller ty
SniHjen: so they are mandating that there should be bugs in their game
accountmadeforants: Izandai They said there'd be no crunch (although in a real mealy-mouthed way to begin with), and now there's crunch anyway.
ContingentCat: yeah you can't brag about not doing something then do it
cgwonder: yeah the bar is so low that being above it isn't really an achievement
GapFiller: having done BVT this is really encouraging re Cyberpunks current quality
accountmadeforants: But they're following labour laws and paying their employees overtime, at least. So that's very, very kind of them >_>
RockPusher: The winner on the day? European labour laws!
Angnor33: 'Not quite as awful' - It's what we all strive for.
GrassVortex: CDPR: "We are at least better than EA" Kappa
sevenishmagpies: isn't a chunk of that because poland has way better labor laws than the Us?
Raiz0k: I mean, that's partially true. Polish and the larger EU's employment laws are wayyyy more employee friendly than the legendary at-will empoyment thing.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: "its ok i lied bc we arent the worst possible"
Raiz0k: @cgwonder : yeah, essentially.
Juliamon: He *still* kinda tried to weasel out of it by claiming there was nothing they could do about it
ContingentCat: it would have been worse if they were like 'Noo this isn't crunch it's... u smunch"
ashiok_nightmare_moose: just do it after launch like bethesda :p
angryoptimist: At-will employment is not a whole-US thing--it goes by state.
excalgold: i mean maybe they dont want to release a Bethesdaridden game
GrassVortex: Certs for consoles are mainly for tech details
angryoptimist: Pretty much everything like that goes by state in the US.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: maybe their bugs arent as fun as backward dragons
GapFiller: yeh 'Failed its Bench Verification Test' has never not been an immediate red flag
GapFiller: esp ever since doing it
SerGarretCameron: it's mostly ratings and verification, as far as I know.
Dragonality: I find it to be a 'if you give an inch, you give a mile' situation. While they are BETTER than many competitors, crutch is still a bad thing overall and still should be called out.
Izandai: @angryoptimist The good ol' US of A: Land of the free, home of inconsistent legal codes.
Raiz0k: @angryoptimist : never said otherwise. Also, even the "liberal" US states have relatively draconic employment laws.
cgwonder: the frustratin thing is that they have a built in excuse of 'ya know, covid and stuff' that imo would allow them to push it by a month again with obviously plenty of backlash but also plenty of people being understanding.
TheMerricat: Unionization can't come to the IT sector soon enough.....
BlackIsis: I'm sure if you don't stick around you'll be first on the chopping block
Dragonality: Yeah, ask me about being 'asked' about overtime hours at Amazon
GapFiller: yeh the whole 'yr job is yr family' thanks but no
GrassVortex: the problem is that the social pressure in those situations can make it be just as much mandatory
Raiz0k: Yeah, that shame thing is a BIIIIG red flag.
angryoptimist: That's pretty much how it works in Japan.
excalgold: is 'we work in an industry' the new 'we live in a society' ?
EightBitDreams: "Just so you know, the rest of the team worked 12 hours this weekend..."
GapFiller: angryoptimist thats a ringing endorsement
angryoptimist: @GapFiller Right?
Lord_ZYRK: GapFiller I had boss that would give newbies the "we're a family" spiel and always make it a point to laugh from the next room when I heard it.
angryoptimist: It's bad.
SniHjen: they wrote a rule, and they don't even follow their own rule
PharaohBender27: @Lord_ZYRK Good on you!
GapFiller: Lord_ZYRK heh good one
ANeMzero: They literally used the phrase "not humane" to describe their previous policy of crunch. You don't get to backpedal on "inhumane" policies.
Tiber727: Didn't they technically only say, "We're going to try and avoid it?"
Dragonality: Then you lack imagination
usmu1976: The sad part is won't matter in the long run as this won't decrease sales.
EightBitDreams: Their moral position wasn't as strong as making black Friday release
angryoptimist: @Lord_ZYRK Mad respect.
RandomTrivia: They should be accountable for what they said, especially as they used saying it as a marketing ploy
samwonk: They took their moral position and showcased it in front of the press when they could get praise for it.
Izandai: @ANeMzero Is this policy the same as their previous policy though?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: its not just their word they are violating but the trust of everyone who supported them
Invitare: the thing is, "crunch" is basicallys a failure of management. Game development starts with a schedule, someone didn't do that correctly, or allowed feature creep or something
accountmadeforants: That's one of the potential nicer things that could come out of "games-as-a-service", at least. Having people just work as, well, regular software developers.
GapFiller: welp then he can fall on his sword then
Crokoking: honestly - if it was only crunch the 6 weeks before release and not anytime else i would be fine with it. but since there is crunch at other times - just not "mandatory" - i'm not
cgwonder: that's all veyr well and good, but his employees are the ones having to take the over time.
Raiz0k: Yeah, although it's a shame the company that's adding 8hrs on top of the work is getting most of the flak. But as Beej literally pointed out, they kind of turned all the spotlights on themselves.
Dragonality: @ashiok_nightmare_moose exactly!
ContingentCat: they didn't just say that they thought crunch was a bad business policy (which it also is) going back on saying it was a moral stance is different
PharaohBender27: That's a terrible take
excalgold: well no because if its a good game it's a good game and also doesnt the company have some pretty good policies in place so if the game sells big they actually get a bonus?
AgentMagicMaster: but it shouldn't work like thaaaat!
GapFiller: people who say 'thats just how it is' are always part of the problem
GapFiller: if not the whole problem
ashiok_nightmare_moose: @excalgold LOL
DiamondTiki: It seems to be getting lost in this discussion that they probably had to make that "no mandatory crunch" statement because Witcher 3 involved horrific crunch
Raiz0k: @Invitare : crunch in *any* kind of software dev is the fault of management in 99% of cases.
PharaohBender27: "That's just how the world works" is just essentially passively condoning the thing
GaelanS: "crunch is sometimes necessary" is a fine take as long as you didn't previously say "crunch is never necessary"
DoodlestheGreat: See, if you're getting F****d in the a**, the proper response is not to tell everyone else drop trou.
Raiz0k: Oh yeah, Heather - it normalizes it as a "phase".
TheMerricat: Here's the thing, I've worked in the Healthcare industry for 20+ years now. in all of the companies I've worked for if a CEO made a promise like the one this guy made, and then had to backtrack on it because shit hit the fan, they'd be sacked.
GrassVortex: if it happens occasionally it can be fine, but when it's expected tp happen the last months each project, then it's a systemic problem
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BlackIsis: Also, this game has been in development for like 8 years at this point. A 2-3 month delay is not going to ruin it. :P
EightBitDreams: They need to just stop having strict release dates. That's the only reason for crunch
Lord_ZYRK: "That's how things are" aka "That's how everyone else does it, and we'll be damned if we're going to be the first to do better."
EvilBadman: A price is being paid
PharaohBender27: Also, you become less productive when you're overworked
TehAmelie: the business is full of people who love what they do, just like you all and Road Quest i imagine. and boy to corporate love to use them
Raiz0k: Point of order: in CDPR they absolutely do, they would otherwise be slaughtered by the work law inspection.
Raiz0k: (do get paid I mean)
CrookedSmile: What studio are we talking about?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: cdpr
Raiz0k: CD Projekt Red
CrookedSmile: Thanks
PharaohBender27: @CrookedSmile CD Projekt Red
SerGarretCameron: because its existence is still a failure of the management.
GapFiller: CrookedSmile Cyberpunk 2077
TheMerricat: CD Project Red - making Cyberpunk @CrookedSmile
Lafajet: As someone who works in the industry: The fact that they're doing crunch in the last month before release is less concerning than the reports that people have been crunching for months, it just hasn't been mandated until now.
Izandai: @EightBitDreams There has to be a hard release date at some point. My question is when does that get set for other software industries? Is it as far out as it usually is for games?
angryoptimist: No matter what you do or the circumstances, you're always on the hook for what you're responsible. "But I had to" is not an excuse for malfeasance--everybody's always got a reason to do bad stuff.
angryoptimist: *responsible for
Lord_ZYRK: EightBitDreams I love the recent trend of "We're announcing out cool new game also oh hey it's out go buy it" over the "Here's our super awesome new thing and we're running this hype train for the next five years it's going to take us to push it out as long as complications don't happen"
Dragonality: I will happily say that I'm happy that they seemed to have genuinely tried to avoid crunch. That doesn't mean we can't be frustrated that it still became necessary.
RockPusher: The Mythical Man-Month
GrassVortex: ^^
TheMerricat: Strict release dates are a artifact of physical releases and PR campaigns.
Dragonality: Especially after the promises made
GapFiller: Lord_ZYRK it feels decades of PEter Molyneux types has really hammered that mindset
TheMerricat: In an increasingly digital only world, companies should be able to find ways to avoid them
GapFiller: or maybe not people are still doing it after all
angryoptimist: Also, in proprietary development the wheel is continually being re-invented.
Raiz0k: Beej, no sane developer would say they are "good" at writing code :). It's like with skiing - once you stop falling down, you stop progressing.
RockPusher: a person takes 9 months to make a baby so logically you can get a baby in a month from 9 people
AgentMagicMaster: that day one download is gonna be c h o n k y
Lord_ZYRK: RockPusher makes sense to me Kappa
samwonk: Generally you can throw overtime man-hours at your problem until it's solved, it's just going to be several times more man-hours than ordinarily productive people would take.
Crokoking: the day-1 patch is what they are working on right now i bet. that's what you work on after sending the master to certification
Plasterboard: That approach (throwing bodies at problems) is a sign that the Program Management has failed the production cycle.
LordZarano: 99 bugs in the code, 99 bugs in the code, take one down, patch it out, 143 bugs in the code
Tiber727: I will give some defense in that, no matter how good you are at project management, accurately estimating the time it takes to develop a full project is HARD.
KharadBanar: with a 70 GB game download, I expect a 20 GB day 1 patch
PharaohBender27: It doesn't!
AgentMagicMaster: Can I have Beej as my boss?
TheMerricat: @Crokoking there was debate on stream just a few min ago about whether the certification is console certification or ratings certification. If they are still fixing bugs I'd bet they are still in the ratings gauntlet.
ContingentCat: You can't just continuously spread the butter further and further, at some point you're just ruining the toast
usmu1976: If watching the jimquistion has left me with one idea is that game companies don't care about their employees. They care about the profit
PharaohBender27: ^
Lord_ZYRK: bUt CoDiNg IsN't ArT
thefileclerk: beej is approaching young morissy hair
Dragonality: Something Brandon Sanderson said about writing with a writing block: He won't force it, he'll just write/work on something else to take his mind off THAT problem and go back to the problem fresh.
GapFiller: Lord_ZYRK regardless of whether or not its an art its definitely a craft
angryoptimist: Any craft is art.
GapFiller: and well guilds exist for a reason re crafts
Raiz0k: As said above, the most important thing is that those people get proper overtime pay. In Poland at least there's still a huge employees' market for devs, so the small amount of solace is that these people absolutely will not be kicked to the crub.
Dragonality: Forcing a problem over and over often creates more problems.
AtomicAlchemical: I wonder if it would help reduce the crunch cycle if more major releases had soft launches that goes to full release whenever they actually get everything done (like is increasingly done in indie releases)
Tiber727: @usmu1976 Eh, that's not entirely wrong, but Jim's entire thing is beating the same drum over and over. He not wrong, but also not giving you the full picture.
TheMerricat: @Tiber727 yeah, but on the flip side if you are managing the project properly you should be aware of time slipage as it happens and it shouldn't be this surprise announcement that all the sudden we need two months of death march. You should also be adjusting your schedule appropriately.
Ivalenz_: The film industry is highly structured, in part due to the unions and in part that studio founders ran things like a factory.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: Apparently for the original Morrowind, Microsoft showed bethesda a way to restart the Xbox during a loading screen so they could free up more resources and push the envelope for the console
Raiz0k: Oh yeah, scuttling the entire thing is very characteristic for game development that doesn't usually happen in other sectors - and that's also not exactly mentally healthy.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: game dev is wild
Plasterboard: Just because a "thing" is known does not mean a specific collection of people operate with the knowledge of that thing @LoadingReadyRun Paul
demonflowers2: only sometimes?
ButButTheJesus: what is the jumprope thing
cgwonder: checkpoint is a monst of the week series
GapFiller: ButButTheJesus Nintendo Jump Rope Challenge
ashiok_nightmare_moose: check point cinematic universe
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ContingentCat: It was so good
TheMerricat: @ButButTheJesus he essentially mocked the cyberpunk story using the jumprope story
Izandai: @ButButTheJesus It's a Switch game where you jump virtual rope with the Joycons.
sevenishmagpies: the quote graphic was lovely
angryoptimist: Is Beej doing a Broken Matt Hardy?
GaelanS: I immediately got the joke fwiw
GapFiller: soup to nuts this was a fantastic episode and that was a particularly great moment
iris_of_ether: @sevenishmagpies benginHi
PharaohBender27: katesLol
angryoptimist: Is that what's happening in the Checkpoint Cinematic Universe?
Dmc3628: he's no longer "broken"
Plasterboard: That was a special moment leveraged to reinforce both stories. Nicely done :)
sevenishmagpies: @iris_of_ether lysapeHi
MAPBoardgames: the quote graphic sold it
usmu1976: @Tiber727 either way I'm glad I'm not a game developer.
Izandai: Has anyone asked Keanu Reeves what he thinks about the crunch time?
angryoptimist: @GapFiller Non sequitur: I've always appreciated "soup to nuts" as an expression.
Dragonality: 'Is Beej just messing with me?'
ContingentCat: katesLol always a possibility with Beej
Dmc3628: it could be worse you could have been in the presence of ZIamon and the whole defacto attempt at removing him fizzles out and you form your own studio
TheMerricat: I sorta feel bad for Keanu being associated with Cyberpunk, even when he did that live announcement for it it didn't seem like he was really aware of what he was a part of or expecting the crowds reaction.
cuttlefishman: Wait, that was confusing
Dragonality: Well, we hit the minimum jump threshold
MAPBoardgames: I missed the point of taking it down in the first place.
cuttlefishman: I thought the story was meant to parody the Cyberpunk ones
QuietJay: So it's like they met their ice cream goal.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: i want to see the factory in southeast asia where they automated it for a hundred switches like they do for the phone lcick farms
TheMerricat: @MAPBoardgames the game wasn't ever suppose to be 'out there' because it was an internal 'for the staff' game. So it makes sense that they would consider taking it down because they didn't want to support it.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: like pairs of motors jusst whipping joycons at mach 30
angryoptimist: Maybe this was in the episode--I... actually haven't seen it yet--but I bet someone in Nintendo is going "SEE?! SEE?!?!"
geail: Here's the question I've been waiting for
GapFiller: maybe the real worry here is whether any lessons have been learnt at all
Izandai: slytqLol
iris_of_ether: Button wearout, yeah :O
MolaMolaphant: well, does a half-A-press count as a jump?
GaelanS: just never press the A button beej
EightBitDreams: Imagine how much work you've done in the world through your thumb movements
Izandai: @MolaMolaphant Yes, because you have to press the A button to be able to hold it.
Dragonality: My controllers really impressed me after the FFF9 jump rope with Vivi
RatekStormcrow: We used to trash QUickjoy 2 Joysticks with Decatlon back in the C64 days
ContingentCat: fancy
geail: considering my keyboard is tested for "2 million presses" per switch
Mai_Andra: Constantly putting pressure on these thumbsticks and wiggling them until they don't read anymore... xivTonberry
GapFiller: theres that story the PA guys used to tell abt one of their associates who did testing on the OG Xbox where he spent all day every day opening and closing the disk tray
GaelanS: beej, are you saying you've been… conned?
Raiz0k: @TheMerricat : given that Keanu would probably associate with only AAA game projects due to his status (not implying anything about his character, just that he's reaaaallly big as an actor), can you think about many recent games that would've gone worse (Animal Crossing doesn't count ;) ) ?
geail: The rumble is strong on Ring Fit
EvilBadman: I think the Splatoon 2 (and later) joycons had a revision?
EvilBadman: but not for drift
Foxmar320: And Enderman
angryoptimist: It's the rubber? I thought I heard that it was the brush and contact--but what I heard may have been wrong.
cuttlefishman: Also Kirby as Steve?
niccus: when is smash getting kevin
cgwonder: does James know about that yet? Kappa
Izandai: @GapFiller ...Huh. I... guess there was a time when they hadn't yet automated that kind of thing?
RandomTrivia: Yeah, don't forget the Enderman that was washed on a too hot setting
Sarah_Serinde: cgwonder lrrFRUMP
Juliamon: The Minecraft DLC is so wild we didn't even have it in !smash
ashiok_nightmare_moose: enderlad
ContingentCat: @cgwonder we should go tweet at him lrrBEEJ
GapFiller: dyr think James knws abt Steve in Smash yet? Kappa
Raiz0k: Steve drops opponents into an MC dungeon for an ult, right?
EvilBadman: Sakurai himself said they had to re-do levels to allow block building
TheMerricat: @Raiz0k Honestly from what I've heard of Keanu, if he heard of and liked an indie project enough and they asked, I think he'd throw his hat in the ring for them. But yeah, I'm getting what you are saying :)
Lithobraker: Was telling us to tweet James payback for the Icecream challenge spam? Kappa
LordZarano: How did they make GameCube controllers that don't drift and then have their new console drift?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: yeah the building mechanic is going to really shake things up
angryoptimist: Steve has been in the speculation for a while. I can't wait for the next Castle Super Beast--Pat is going to be so mad! :D
Izandai: The balance changes are HOTLY anticipated.
frnknstn: What's the next Microsoft property for Smash? Clippy?
Raiz0k: @TheMerricat : :)
Tiber727: @Raiz0k His ult should put you in one of those death traps where James farms drops.
Izandai: I'm certain he won't be.
GapFiller: heh the pro community reaction is always a laugh yeh
ContingentCat: @frnknstn I'm hoping the jump bunnies
Raiz0k: So, essentially James' MC persona corpse?
MolaMolaphant: I don't think we've seen full move sets. some of his aerials looks solid, but it depends a lot on some very minor details
ButButTheJesus: @LordZarano I'm wondering the same thing with PS3 Move, which I never noticed a problem with, and PSVR, in which I have to powercycle the headset every so often cause it misreads which direction is "forward"
cuttlefishman: Rare?
Foxmar320: Ori
Earthenone: clippy?
Nigouki: Doomguy?
iris_of_ether: !
MAPBoardgames: !smash
LRRbot: Put butts in Smash, you cowards!
MolaMolaphant: In smash, much more importantly, the damage and knockback values mean that minor changes can dramatically change a character's combo game
frnknstn: oh yeah....
TheMerricat: The Dragonborn!
Izandai: Vault-Boy is already a Mii skin.
Izandai: *Mii costume
GapFiller: or right the Microsoft Bethesda ting was THIS week wasnt it
ContingentCat: putting he band Fall Out Boy would be a fun switch for them to do
TheMerricat: Fus Ro DOH! Smash!
EvilBadman: 4
GapFiller: totally forgot abt that
cuttlefishman: Spyro maybe?
Nigouki: put Doomguy in Smash you cowards, i wanna see some spines ripped out and cute characters chainsawed in half
angryoptimist: Doomguy than Dante--then have Doomguy get all mad at Dante because DEMONS.
taterbug143: completed 9 pages of evolution work, I'm glad to catch a stream
EvilBadman: 6 total, iirc 2 revealed
angryoptimist: *then Dante
Izandai: My #1 is still Sora.
PixelArtDragon: Take people out of smash, you cowards!
frnknstn: I do want the Windows XP desktop image stage
cuttlefishman: Sora would work
ContingentCat: !smash
LRRbot: Put Frogger in Smash, you cowards!
accountmadeforants: They already have Banjo+Kazooie in Smash, too, right?
Izandai: Assist Trophy
Kerrisis: I'd love to see Doomguy just wipe the Stage with a BFG...
ashiok_nightmare_moose: take the humans out of smash
Kalpho: Genshin Impact character #ad
KharadBanar: I‘d like to see Paarthurnax
GapFiller: !smash
LRRbot: Put a Chocobo in Smash, you cowards!
cuttlefishman: Beej, what anime would you want in smash
taterbug143: add shrek to smash tbh
SydPreviouslyHeadache: i'm sad Golden Sun seems like it's done. i think psynergy would be amazing for smash
Raiz0k: Worms? Is Team17 also owned by Bethesda?
angryoptimist: Not Sora. Put *Xehanort* in Smash.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Put Shaxx in Smash
Izandai: @taterbug143 Not a video game character.
sevenishmagpies: Saint XIV in Smash plz.
Raiz0k: Oooooh.
sevenishmagpies: With Saladin announcer.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: YES
The_ChartreuseKnight: We've stepped into a war with the cabal on mars...
rustenskurk: Take characters out of Smash cowards
Izandai: @angryoptimist Por que no los dos?
TheMerricat: Agent 47 walking around as Princess Peach....
accountmadeforants: But what outfit could he take from Kirby? Does he just take his clothes off?
EightBitDreams: I think they should expand their horizons. John, Paul, George and Ringo in Smash!
Raiz0k: An adorable little biomass ingester.
Tiber727: I just realized, if Halo ever got in, you could have Blood Gulch as a Smash level.
Foxmar320: Tall bald Peach would be great
ButButTheJesus: !smash
LRRbot: Put Shinji in the robot, you cowards!
MolaMolaphant: Hitman-chan?
Lord_ZYRK: Put Kirby in Hitman you cowards SwiftRage
GapFiller: this all ends in Kirbette doesnt it
Nigouki: please don't put Shinji in the robot, that's abuse
iris_of_ether: Hard agree, Heather :O
GapFiller: omg Kirbette when!?
Raiz0k: For Shinji, or the robot?
fullofliesandbees: Put Hatsune Miku in smash you cowards.
GaelanS: pretty sure the mojang blog mentioned "what does Steve taste like according to Kirby?"
ashiok_nightmare_moose: could get the mc armor maybe but that would be a worse idea
Foxmar320: Steve/Alex/Zombie/Enderman Kirby
Izandai: Also, is Agent 47s Ian costume just a fake beard?
Laserbeaks_Fury: And a diamond helmet
TheMerricat: "Series: Minecraft Release date: TBA Late 2020 / Early 2021"
Izandai: Also I nearly called Agent 47 "Hitman" just then.
angryoptimist: Put RX-78-NT-1 "ALEX" in Smash you Cowards! Kappa
Tiber727: @GaelanS Isn't "Bye!" the only thing Kirby can say though? How's he supposed to describe it?
Izandai: I really hope he just becomes cubed.
Izandai: Karate Joe
PharaohBender27: katesLol
MolaMolaphant: cubey
Izandai: What about the Chorus Kids?
ContingentCat: !smash
LRRbot: Put Masahiro Sakurai in Smash, you cowards!
GamesAndInk: Oh man now I want a Crypt of the Necrodancer character.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: id like the wrestler from rhythm heaven or the donk donks
Kalpho: Ring Fit Trainer and you have to use the ring fit
Laserbeaks_Fury: It's Link, but from Cadence of Hyrule
GapFiller: oooh EVE Online drama
Izandai: @Laserbeaks_Fury Why not just Cadence?
RandomTrivia: Uh oh
ContingentCat: oh wow
DoodlestheGreat: EVE Online players are NEVER happy about resource distribution.
accountmadeforants: This wasn't the first time they made such a declaration, right? Last time it was their fancy space-castles falling apart.
lirazel64: Gods of peace, or gods of pieces?
Lithobraker: Eve online players make the MTG community look happy with game management
Raiz0k: That sounds like good milk for my KHORNE FLAKES.
Earthenone: the setterlers of catan system
AtomicAlchemical: Didn't the servers crash from super guild wars putting to many ships into the same sector?
Izandai: Iiiiinterdasting.
DoodlestheGreat: @Lithobraker LUL
Dmc3628: yeah EVE makes MTG look tame by comparison
Juliamon: Regional exclusive resources
TheMerricat: or they have a monopoly on resources?
TehAmelie: meanwhile, Eve Online has just announced a graphics option that removes the spaceships and leaves only spreadsheets
Texan_Reverend: I just downloaded EVE Echoes for Android today, and I'm really intrigued by the UI changes they've made while still making it very much feel like the full game.
angryoptimist: Theoretically, this doesn't have to encourage fighting. It could encourage trade! ... Kappa
DoodlestheGreat: Random as hell.
GapFiller: TehAmelie ah from EVE Online to Football Manager
Izandai: Now: What happens when one corporation, or an alliance of a few corporations, controls EVERY source of an important resource?
GapFiller: thats a gnre pivot we can all get behind
TehAmelie: true story
Raiz0k: EVE is like Counterargument #1®™ when someone is being "smart people don't like soap operas".
Izandai: @TehAmelie slytqLol I love that so much.
accountmadeforants: "What do you have for me there, God?" -"A KNIFE!" "NO!"
DoodlestheGreat: "Now the aluminum can only be found on planets where penguins occur."
frnknstn: war in Eve is just the continuation of economics via alternative means
DeM0nFiRe: When wars happen they get big, but in between there's usually a lot of stagnation
GaelanS: isn't this just like a one-time fight restoration tho? I feel like the borders would just reshuffle to where everyone has everything then you'd be back to normal levels
EightBitDreams: The biggest wars create news stories which makes the game more popular
DoodlestheGreat: There's plenty of epic wars, but not enough smaller-scale events.
Seagulyus: I thought was in EVE only exists so you can force someone else to buy ships from you...
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Plasterboard: It won't matter unless they push people out of standardized gate travel
Izandai: Maybe there's plenty of WAR, but not enough WARS?
ContingentCat: we're not stockpiling we have nothing to do with them
MAPBoardgames: I still have 175k chat pionts
Raiz0k: @frnknstn : interestingly, "Clausevitz" was the code name of a Stellaris patch, not EVE's ;).
TheMerricat: lrrHEART_TK
AtomicAlchemical: "We've got too much uptime around here. How can we get the players to help take the servers offline so we can do maintenance?"
ZackTheCatKing: Beej, I have hair like yours, any tips for making it look more chaotic?
cgwonder: do they get ice cream at the end of the war?
RandomTrivia: Oh, so literal wars of attrition
Izandai: It's like a Sultai Mirror.
iris_of_ether: lrrDILLY
EvilBadman: Oh god, could you imagine Channel Points polls?
Raiz0k: James is essentially acting as a central bank.
ButButTheJesus: so what you're saying is #blamejames
ContingentCat: James' attempt to drain channel points is hardly making a dent in my 275k
DoodlestheGreat: 66% complete!
tycoonbosh: I guess I should have asked before donating, but the LRRcrew likes ice cream, right?
Lord_ZYRK: I'm excited to see what the point incentive is that LRR will drop after the Icream Challenge
KharadBanar: @raiz0k is that not paradox‘s game engine?
PharaohBender27: @DoodlestheGreat Daaaang, that mean's we've done 12% just TODAY
DoodlestheGreat: Pretty m,uch. Bored or discouraged.
GapFiller: Raiz0k Bank of JAmes does a fine line in credit
BlackIsis: @Raiz0k Clauswitz is Paradox's game engine (that's used for Stellaris, CK3, EU4, etc).
Kazman20a: the wierd thing is I am getting more channel points then I spend while capping my icecream donations
ContingentCat: @tycoonbosh most of them yeah, for the others getting James to do something is good too
RandomTrivia: "Look at all the resources we can waste!"
tycoonbosh: okay, good. Thanks @ContingentCat
xantos69: are describing actual war
Izandai: Because if you fight until you are literally out of resources, you will never win another fight?
DoodlestheGreat: Wars of idology is what the actual fights end up around.
innovativemethods: that's. .. that's a war.
GapFiller: OH this story
GapFiller: yep tattoos are srs business
Raiz0k: @KharadBanar @GapFiller @BlackIsis : crap, you're all right, it is. Apologies. Explains why it's so seared into the brain ;).
ContingentCat: didn't something like this happen before?
BlackIsis: np :)
PharaohBender27: Didn't this happen with one of the NBA2k games a couple of years ago?
usmu1976: Didn't we have this one already with Tyson?
TheMerricat: aren't tattoos essentially work for hire? wouldn't randy own his own?
teaspooncody: do channel points translate into money for the channel? because if so, jeez I should throw more of them around
Juliamon: teaspooncody Not directly, they're just meant to encourage engagement
GapFiller: nah sadly
ContingentCat: ohh ok
RandomTrivia: teaspooncody The points don't matter, and the ice cream is probably made up
Seagulyus: TheMerricat no sadly they arent
Izandai: Interesting legal argument.
GapFiller: RandomTrivia Schrodingers icrem eh
GapFiller: its theoretical until James coughs up the video evidence
EightBitDreams: The movie Hangover 2 had a lawsuit over a tattoo replicated on a character that was different from the person who originally had the tattoo
angryoptimist: Also, I have to wonder how this intersects with fair use and right of publicity given that this is on--y'know--a PERSON.
ContingentCat: @teaspooncody they're meant to be about engagement that doesn't cost money, LRR's mostly ignored them
tycoonbosh: So you're paying for the right for the tattoo artist to art on you? Effectively bidding to be the canvas?
RandomTrivia: IP is a really interesting can of worms when it comes to tattoos
Raiz0k: You can, but also you can't, depending on the copyright system.
nickthecatbear: As a museum curator, intellectual permissions and copyright is so tricky and thorny
angryoptimist: Yeah, in Germany that stuff is not transferrable.
Izandai: Randy Orton owns his tattoos, but the tattoo artist owns the design?
RockPusher: It gets very very complicated and I don't know if there are satisfactorily fair answers under current copyright regimes
angryoptimist: It's come up a few times for software projects that want copyright assignment along with contributions.
PharaohBender27: @nickthecatbear Yeah, archivist speaking here, don't even get me started on copyright law
Seagulyus: the thing is, its also "diminimous" or small compared to the actual work being sued over. I don't know how to spell it sorry
Raiz0k: The "German-law-derived" ones make it unable to sell "primary" copyright rights.
MAPBoardgames: I would assume that a tattoo would be "part of my likeness" but what do I know about copyright law?
Seagulyus: it also turns out that the lady that tattoo'd Orton apparently hasn't been a tattoo artists in 11 years?
nickthecatbear: @PharaohBender27 For sure! I'm effectively in charge of all intellectual permissions for my museum :/
Izandai: I guess that's like a company owning a sign that was made for it, but the artist who made the sign owning the design on the sign. Although that would never happen, so maybe it's not the best example.
Creideiki_SE: @Seagulyus "de minimis"?
innovativemethods: if you don't own it in the first place, you can't sign it away
Seagulyus: Creideiki_SE that sounds better yeah
GapFiller: cue the sirens
Nigouki: or is it duct cleaning?
Raiz0k: Oh, like they were arresting Alex?
MAPBoardgames: It's only a case because there is money
ryuhimora: arrest???
niccus: again?
cuttlefishman: Well, except for the queen
RockPusher: I just assume someone, somewhere, is trying to arrest Beej at all times lrrBEEJ
cuttlefishman: The queen's rights are weird
angryoptimist: If the law allows these results, the law probably does need to be updated. How exactly does this promote the sciences and useful arts?
usmu1976: But they don't own your image rights.
GapFiller: oooh Chinese spam thats always fun
PharaohBender27: Oh, so lrrBEEEJ was being arrested in Chinese, like Kate was
ptay313: the same thing happened with Mike Tyson's face tattoo in the Hangover movie right?
Izandai: More like if someone commissioned a piece of statuary or something for their home. They would own the statue, but the artist might own the statue's likeness.
Izandai: That's not too unreasonable, I feel.
Mai_Andra: Whenever my phone rings, I just look at the number then say "that's not real" and go back to whatever I was doing.
Seagulyus: MAPBoardgames problem is someone designed it. so if you are the person being drawn ON you don't own the rights to the drawing itself, just the right to use/display it freely because it is part of yourself
usmu1976: @ptay313 That was what I was referring to.
Izandai: But I guess it gets weirder when it's something incorporated into someone's physical body, not just an object they own.
Seagulyus: MAPBoardgames but the actual *design* is owned by the original artist still
GapFiller: Heather thats the view of somebody who aint familiar w/ WWE attitude to contracts
GapFiller: particualr to independent contractors
AtomicAlchemical: In the legal systems I (sort of) know, the photographer owns the image but you can block them from monetizing your likeness if you don't consent to it?
Mai_Andra: But then do they have to remove the tattoo when they leave the company, because WWE owns the rights to their art?
Seagulyus: also this literally happened with NBA and Lebron a couple years ago and 2k Games won
NimrodXIV: WWE owns people's NAMES, so...yeah
innovativemethods: it's a lot weird
Tiber727: I would think that in a logical world, you would own the rights to depictions of you that include your tattoo, but if you try to reproduce just the tattoo the tattooist owns that.
Izandai: Okay Twitch needs to come up with a better notification system for these collective channel points challenges.
GamesAndInk: You're actively using your house for public display at work right now :P
usmu1976: @AtomicAlchemical I think that's right.
GaelanS: blame capitalism
MAPBoardgames: Imagine if a rouge tattoo artist inked people against their will, then sued for image rights?
EightBitDreams: I want a t-shirt with Beej's private home!
ContingentCat: Yobaba runs WWE?
Invitare: we should just get rid of money
GapFiller: well speaking of WWE just this week theres been that huge blowup over WWE taking over everyones Twitch streams
Weagle: To be clear: those are *stage* names
Weagle: They don't own legal names
innovativemethods: the WWE gives them NEW names to be known by and owns those.
Seagulyus: Tiber727 that is the de minimus thing mentioned. it is a small part of the wwe game
GapFiller: which is gonna be a laugh cz for starters that goes against Twitch TOS
Raiz0k: Beej, that is what *you* would think. Sadly, not everyone has the same idea (re tattoos).
Snowcookies: innovativemethods: not always. Some ppl still use their names from the indies
innovativemethods: they don't own their faces, though. that's not a thing they can own.
Izandai: I mean... Is a person's voice part of their persona?
Dmc3628: most of the UE still hvae their indie names Styles kept his
Hellishdream: This actually came up with AJ Styles. They wanted to change his name but he has a HUGE "AJ" tattoo.
Mai_Andra: There was a story that WWE was very upset when Rusev got a haircut without clearing it first.
Lithobraker: The WWE could probably require you to use a specific tattoo contract if you will have it visible
Raiz0k: Yeah, the composition of a tattoo and a specific placement configuration could also be potentially copyrightable....
Izandai: If they're doing a voice, sure, but what if they just use their normal voice?
ContingentCat: Yeah that seems the most likely result
innovativemethods: honestly the release sounds... reasonable. well, not reasonable, but ok.
Weagle: The legal morass of stage names is a real thing though, and has been thoroughly litigated already
m_logan2000: tattoo removal would come into play here. Can a wrestler get a tattoo removed without approval
angryoptimist: Man, the law is so stupid.
ContingentCat: classy lad that one
Dmc3628: Miro was actually supposed to have ED during that mess of a storyline with Lashley and Lana
ContingentCat: Rock hard
ContingentCat: ?
wintertempest: he got those lasered off, i think
Ivalenz_: Tattoos are copyrightable. The artist licenses it as a fixed medium, the body of an individual. Reproducing the tattoo in other mediums, specifically for profit, is a violation. But courts, et al don't necessarily understand copyrights.
Raiz0k: I mean, the Dearly Departed case of Zombie Boy has shown you can absolutely hide *all* the tattoos.
cuttlefishman: lrrWOW lrrWOW
angryoptimist: Courts understand copyrights fine--it's just that copyrights are not simple, and a lot of copyright law isn't and can't be defined by bright-line rules.
angryoptimist: Also, copyright law is stupid as hell.
Dish_KP: it's probably rock saves, turning an H to an A and a T to an E is likely fairly easy
pyronils80: Hello and good evening! :) :) :)
Snowcookies: wut
Izandai: Slowking has been around at least since gen 2.
cuttlefishman: wut
ContingentCat: Hey not many pokemon have become such a wide spread and lasting meme
accountmadeforants: It's like if Tuxedo Mask's mask was a facehugger.
ButButTheJesus: aww widdle cape
Ivalenz_: @angryoptimist Not all courts are equal, which is why lawsuits get filed in odd jurisdictions in order to have "friendly judges".
thundershot879: so there are two different galaran variants?
Izandai: I like it. It's weird, but there's a lot of weird pokémon.
PharaohBender27: @angryoptimist It is. If you get an old family photograph that was never published or anything, and you can't establish who the photographer was or when they died, it can't be considered public domain for *120* years
GapFiller: TheMerricat well thats terrifying
Shoki_Donai: Gold and Silver
Raiz0k: @TheMerricat : thank you, wanted to ask for the link :).
Robot_Bones: gold
niccus: oh yeah that slowking's going the way of parasect
AgentMagicMaster: Second
NimrodXIV: I could deal with that except for the ....snot drip?
Izandai: Slowpoke uses its tail as a fishing rod. Slowbros happen when they catch a particular thing and don't notice.
mowdownjoe: 2nd gen, iirc
Saunabath: Pokedex is the result of letting 12-yesr olds handle scientific research
CAKHost: Second generation
CAKHost: Yeah
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BrowneePoints: They grow back
usmu1976: @PharaohBender27 you can thank Disney for that one. Everytime Mickey gets towards public domain they start lobbying for extension of the limit
BrowneePoints: They say that IN universe
ContingentCat: are they?
MAPBoardgames: "Delicacy" A French word for "I dare you to eat it."
MolaMolaphant: canon they grow their tails back
TheMerricat: "Although slow, Slowpoke is skilled at fishing with its tail, and it does not feel pain if its tail is bitten. It is also implied that their tails can grow back if it is cut off or removed (either during battle, fishing, and/or occasionally by human's)."
ritchards: 2/3rd to Ice Cream...
BrowneePoints: King's Rock
angryoptimist: Is slowpoke a lizard?
Hellishdream: aren't slowpoke supposed to be Salamanders.
BrowneePoints: for Slowking
Raiz0k: Aaand pooooisoooon yoooouuuur braaaaaiiiin.
MolaMolaphant: trade with kings rock
niccus: they're supposed to be sloths
blip2004: they have to hold a Kings rock to evolve when traded
PharaohBender27: @usmu1976 I know Disney's responsible for a lot of that nonsense, though I don't know if they're behind that specific one, since again, this is talking about non-published materials.
Izandai: @PharaohBender27 It's probably related.
Traion: Good save Heather, we all know you run the AC black market Kappa
SydPreviouslyHeadache: i still haven't gotten around to connecting my switch to my wifi
floki4242: and it all started with Tom Nook
Izandai: Honestly people should feel lucky that Nintendo decided to just delete the items instead of bricking their online access.
angryoptimist: Why? It's not like like it's a competition.
angryoptimist: There's little reason even to delete the items--let along brick online access.
angryoptimist: *alone
RockPusher: Fences fencing Fences
accountmadeforants: People fencing fences, are they?!
BrowneePoints: can Fence a Fence
Izandai: @angryoptimist Nintendo has banned people from online for having hacked content on their consoles before.
sevenishmagpies: Fences are the foundation of the black market.
mowdownjoe: Usually you're looking to sell to a fence
Raiz0k: People are saying 2020 is a dark year, but I appreciate we went from "literally an AK-47" to "unusual items in Animal Crossing" for "black market".
theambivalentagender: I'm still sore over the secret waterfall being patched out
chaostreader: @angryoptimist Nintendo has done stuff like that in the past.
Squally_Kanto: I want the plant in sables shop :p
MolaMolaphant: "this is a bug, but is a good idea for a feature. We'll actually test it before releasing it officially."
angryoptimist: @Izandai @chaostreader But that's Nintendo being Nintendo, not some standard of reasonableness. Not to be hard on Nintendo--but they're a bit unreasonable sometimes.
angryoptimist: And by sometimes I mean constantly. And by constantly I mean they're also pretty alright about a lot of things other companies aren't.
BlueMechanic: I want Flick's bug net
sevenishmagpies: it's a QUILT
Izandai: @angryoptimist I think it's reasonable to ban people from your online services if they abuse them.
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ContingentCat: like the pictures behind Sabel taking those would be kindof weird
Squally_Kanto: but my want is a plant :p
EvilBadman: "Oh, I found it easier to just buy the airline"
Nigouki: well, entitlement bred by capitalism is a far bigger than just video games
Izandai: Which isn't quite what was happening here, but is what was happening the previous time that I can't remember the details of (I think people pirated a game before it was officially released?).
Dragonality: Big Veruca Salt power
ritchards: Noman Ski!
ashiok_nightmare_moose: No Mans Oranges
RandomTrivia: Ah, another John Nomansky story
Lord_ZYRK: I thought Duplos were just big Legos though 🤔
Squally_Kanto: diplo not duplo
Izandai: It's rare, therefore it's valuable. Kappa
Raiz0k: @Lord_ZYRK : get out of my head.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: theyre S tier villagers
Squally_Kanto: but speaking of Dulpo.... did you know that its comparable with regular Lego
usmu1976: Diplo like the EDM dj
Squally_Kanto: compatible
Raiz0k: Yup.
AlienNanobots: R I O T
ashiok_nightmare_moose: T_T
RandomTrivia: Oh no
Malkmaven1176: lrrHEATHER Diplos!
Antimuffin: lrrFINE
Izandai: slytqLol THAT'S AMAZING
Raiz0k: Woah, that's actually a huge thing for that game.
AtomicAlchemical: Nice job breaking it hero
ashiok_nightmare_moose: Their population Dipped Low
Squally_Kanto: screw your old world...
GaelanS: with blackjack and diplos
PharaohBender27: @GaelanS katesLol
Squally_Kanto: with blackjack and hookers.... and diplos
RandomTrivia: Do you want Jurassic Park? That's how you get Jurassic Park.
angryoptimist: The No Man's Sky update wasn't supposed, originally, to change existing planets. That... didn't end up panning out. For myself, it's made all my bases brake and I can't land on any planets without the game crashing. I'm mad, but I'm also not--I'll just wait until it works again. Programming is hard.
Snowcookies: that might create invasive species Paul
Raiz0k: @GaelanS : I see what you did there.
angryoptimist: *base break
angryoptimist: Been making a lot of typos today.
MAPBoardgames: Diplo poaching
Rhynerd: Searching for a promised land
wordmogul: Sounds like a house hunting reality show
SoaringDragon42: All of these changes are why I tend to start a new save when these things happen (I've also not gotten very far, or built very much so not much loss yet)
Scy_Anide: This is why I made my base on a ship. Also because I'm lazy and I can take my ship with me.
Mai_Andra: That's what happens when you build a big base on a previously unspoiled world. hashtag climate change ?
Raiz0k: @angryoptimist : are you talking about *this specific* update?
AtomicAlchemical: I think this is why The Culture moved away from living on planets
ashiok_nightmare_moose: yeah the visuals got a nice bump, really like the world gen now
angryoptimist: @Raiz0k Well, the big update in general.
Squally_Kanto: I built the second base..... that sank into the swamp
Izandai: huh
angryoptimist: @Raiz0k The latest one--gosh, new the name of the update before I started typing...
Raiz0k: @angryoptimist : good to know, thanks for the warning. Something told me to wait before launching.....
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jessieimproved: make it look like Yuri, it would work
ashiok_nightmare_moose: oh no
ritchards: it's even an entirely different universe to the MCU movies!
Raiz0k: Tom Holland as a lizardman?
Lord_ZYRK: Ralph Machiee
EvilBadman: It's technically not Holland, it's a different face model as well, people just seeing holland in it
MAPBoardgames: I'm reminded of the end of Jedi when Hayden Christianson got photoshopped into the final scene.
EightBitDreams: It was a weird decision
ashiok_nightmare_moose: they just upped the Tom slider to like 60%
Raiz0k: Ooooooh nooooooooo
GapFiller: lol
Mai_Andra: actually...
Izandai: what
Lord_ZYRK: MAPBoardgames thanks for the reminder. Wait, no, not thanks. The other thing.
angryoptimist: That's a whoopsie.
usmu1976: Neah, not really.
MolaMolaphant: I did that, and got a code, but turns out I already have it? so now there's a spare key someplace...
LordZarano: Spiderman in the game is older than in the MCU too
Izandai: oops
angryoptimist: oh noooo
Loonatic93: So the worst team in the Overwatch League messed up in the most spectacular way.
Raiz0k: So, are these fans of some sports team, or just turning a bay into a giant teacup?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: @LordZarano grampa pete swings by the pharmacy :p
Izandai: Blizzard had better just be like "Welp. I guess we boned that one. Enjoy all your free Overwatch copies I guess."
Squally_Kanto: I've still not played Overwatch.
angryoptimist: @Raiz0k I know which one of those I want it to be.
Raiz0k: Going for a swim?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: like the ol red flag deals threads
MolaMolaphant: OH like when target accidentally put every PS5 peripheral and game preorder up for a dollar each
Loonatic93: I mean, yeah, I love [insert Overwatch team here] but I don't care for the game.
GapFiller: its 2020 and people are still doing this
MolaMolaphant: Which actually happened a couple weeks ago
GapFiller: thats hilarious
mowdownjoe: Never challenge chat... or the internet
Lord_ZYRK: That's also news to me
angryoptimist: :D
Izandai: slytqLol
frnknstn: overwatch is still full price, isn't it?
Raiz0k: Oh yeah, Beej, at this point the Internet can literally smell our obscurity.
Raiz0k: *out
EvilBadman: The only money for overwatch is for lootboxes, all the dlc/events are free
angryoptimist: <picture: Overwatch bursting into flames from severe burn>
usmu1976: LUL
Izandai: slytqLol
ashiok_nightmare_moose: ive fallen through the map already
accountmadeforants: Between Stunters and Speedrunners, I just dig the kinda names they come up with for what they're doing.
Izandai: That one creepy cutscene in Twilight Princess takes place in a black box tucked away in a mountain.
chaostreader: @izandai That’s. Not really descriptive enough. Twilight Princess had lots of creepy cutscenes.
PixelArtDragon: @Izandai One? There are several
Raiz0k: I'm simultaneously impressed about the effect and disgusted about the amount of effort.
Izandai: slytqLol Okay, fair enough.
Izandai: The one after you clear Lanayru Twilight, then.
RandomTrivia: "not because it is easy, but because it is hard"
EightBitDreams: Halo 3 has been out for 13 years? <old>
GapFiller: tbf these kinda speedrunners are still going after N64 games
GapFiller: thats commitment
angryoptimist: I always have to wonder about the codepath and what's going on in each of these sorts of things. I mean, there's good guesses you can make, but it'd be neat to know.
GapFiller: Stadia is never not worth dumping on its true
Izandai: OOT and Majora's Mask speedrunners very recently figured out how to wrong warp to anywhere from almost anywhere.
GapFiller: LOL
EvilBadman: Stadia is only 11 months old
GaelanS: that's so google
accountmadeforants: $50 in the US, and inexplicably 80 euros/70 pounds across the pond.
ButButTheJesus: google. google pls.
Izandai: what
EightBitDreams: If you sideload Stadia it works, so it *should* work
mowdownjoe: Google always has one hand not knowing what the other is doing.
Raiz0k: Just remember people, as you will be asked by your descendants "when have virtual words gained almost-physical prominence", that ^ will be a good candidate.
Qvdv: $
PixelArtDragon: Is Stadia the Google+ of gaming?
angryoptimist: Hah, I'll believe it when I see it. I half expect Stadia to be dead before then.
EightBitDreams: The new Chromecast also went on sale 2 weeks before it was announced...
Raiz0k: Left hand, right hand.
TheMerricat: this isn't at all surprising for Google, they shit products out faster than they forget and abandon them sometimes
Malazim: The left hand does not talk to the right hand.
DiamondTiki: THey decided to make it two separate launches so two people can get promotions
angryoptimist: Hmm, I wonder if this "Google" has a history of launching and then killing products...
MikeSmith916: The new Chromecast does seem to work with the XBox Game Streaming service though.
GapFiller: as ever the tentacles of the octopus frequently compete w/ one another
mowdownjoe: @angryoptimist
Izandai: Does Google Earth still exist?
PixelArtDragon: I think the best indicator of how strong Google is is that it can be famous for failed projects and still be massively profitable from the successes.
Izandai: @mowdownjoe That is an amazing website.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: whoever ends up winning will be running on google, microsoft, or amazon datacenters anyway
angryoptimist: @mowdownjoe Yeah, this thing is on borrowed time.
chaostreader: @pixelartdragon Google has flat out ignored the FBI.
accountmadeforants: Amazon's a lot more focused with these kinds of projects than Google, and that's saying a lot, considering AWS, and their website.
DeM0nFiRe: Playstation Now is like a hybrid, some games you can download and some are streamed
PixelArtDragon: @mowdownjoe Oh wow, I was under the impression that Google+ still existed, I didn't know it was officially dead
Juliamon: G+ has been dead for quite some time
GaelanS: I just want a machine somewhere in the cloud I can run Steam on, how hard can this be
GaelanS: (Geforce comes close, but inexplicably doesn't have Civ 6)
PixelArtDragon: @Juliamon Effectively dead for years, sure, but apparently only officially shut down last year?
Juliamon: PixelArtDragon But last year was basically 10 years ago
Raiz0k: No Paul, with Amazon it's always about sales data.
angryoptimist: I'm not sure I'd say that--Google has a lot of network stuff--including a private fiber network (not to be confused with Google Fiber) and substantial CDN buildout. I don't think Amazon has anything here that Google doesn't. Which is good, because Amazon doesn't need to dominate ANOTHER thing.
PixelArtDragon: Fair, @Juliamon
SilentOptimist: Plans change?
Raiz0k: As much as I hate Apple, they're the ones about the product.
usmu1976: @mowdownjoe That is one intersting but scary site
TheMerricat: Google Plus is dead as a public project, I believe it's still a thing that they sell to folk who use Google Sites/Domains/whatever it's called these days.
Raiz0k: "Buy a FireTV" is a what's called a "maximum goal".
angryoptimist: Why hello there, Vertical Monopoly.
Agu_Sakku: Only reason I have a Amazone Fire Stick. Its has a native Twitch app. Roku does not.
Raiz0k: @Agu_Sakku : AndroidTV also has one?
VmKid: The new Chromecast with Google TV also has Twitch on the Play Store so
ashiok_nightmare_moose: I think both amazon and google would ideally like to be internally integrated but that depends ont he manufacturers
angryoptimist: That's probably by design. I've considered Amazon TV devices for that reason.
Earthenone: !prime
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ButButTheJesus: bye folks!
GapFiller: cheer100 mooncake bits for Mid Autumn Festival (which was yesterday)
Izandai: I love "Bezos Bucks" so much.
badpandabear: I assure you all that I am quite bad at being a panda bear. I don't even have fur!
VmKid: I just got my Chromecast in, and while I have some small complaints I'm sure they'll be fixed soon enough or I'll get used to it.
AtomicAlchemical: Bezos is extracting value from us. Extract some value BACK!
GapFiller: its only fair to take what Bezos wont give freely eh
TheMerricat: ok... that's wierd chat how many gift subs did you see come from me? there should have been ten but I only see 4 in my chat.
Earthenone: pride51 lrrHEART
Mysticman89: I also only saw 4, despite it saying 10 at the top
Izandai: @TheMerricat I also only see 4
chaostreader: @themerricat Yeah I saw that too.
Izandai: I don't remember what it said.
DragaFireHawk: I only see 4 as well
Raiz0k: @TheMerricat : same, 4. Maybe anti-spam?
angryoptimist: @TheMerricat Also saw 4.
GapFiller: TheMerricat the notifier said 10 but the chat only said 3
VmKid: The remote layout is kinda bad, and I'd rather my apps be front and center instead of Google's recommendations but otherwise it's (MST3K voice) Preeety Niiice!
Mysticman89: maybe the alogrithm is struggling to find more users that meet is magic criteria, depsite at least a few unsubbed people repsonding here now
VmKid: VoHiYo69 Bits because my sub notification didn't seem to go off earlier and IDK if I'll get in the sub thanks
DragaFireHawk: We are not worthy, clearly simplLOL
Mysticman89: will see what the lrr notificaiton thing shows
Izandai: PK Jester is definitely the weirdest attack in a Mother game.
angryoptimist: Dery Metronome
Mysticman89: hum, there was the 4 that were 10
TheMerricat: hmmm...... @LoadingReadyRun no I did a 10 gift sub thing, only four came out for some reasdon
RockPusher: lrrHEART lrrHEART lrrHEART
GapFiller: jlrrIcream jlrrIcream jlrrIcream lrrDILLY lrrDILLY lrrDILLY
BlackIsis: man, now I want ice cream
BlackIsis: and pie
Izandai: @TheMerricat Did Twitch charge your for 4 or 10?
Riandisa: Thanks for the stream!
Snowcookies: yay i cream
Snowcookies: Thanks for the stream
Nigouki: thanks for the stream!
TheMerricat: Won't know till the CC card clears @Izandai as long as LRR got the right amount of it though I guess I'm not that pissed.
ShaneLeeAtk: Marchoween
PharaohBender27: @TheMerricat I had a similar issue this morning on lrrKATHLEEN 's AC Island Tours - I gifted 6 subs, and only 4 went through
angryoptimist: Marching to Halloween.
CastleOtranto: Preach it, Heather!
Izandai: @TheMerricat Well, here's hoping you didn't get scammed.
nyquister_: Beej
Raiz0k: Yeah, the chat's lively today.
jesskay: Someone else reported only seeing 4 subs from giving 6 too, it might be a new bug in twitch.
angryoptimist: This stuff is so complicated that it's a miracle that any of this works, really.
TheMerricat: @LoadingReadyRun yeah I don't think this is a LRRBot problem, I think Twitch is doing something stupid.
PharaohBender27: Yeah, I think it's a Twitch thing
angryoptimist: It'd have to be Twitch.
RockPusher: LRRbot cannot help Twitch failings - LRRbot is not psychic in spite of appearances sometimes
EvilBadman: @Izandai I wouldn't immediately jump to "it's a scam"
Sarah_Serinde: Interesting, in the native Twitch chat I see 4 subs, and in Chatty I only see 3
RockPusher: !bad advice
LRRbot: Get excited about dynamite.
GapFiller: !advice
LRRbot: Stay focused.
Juliamon: I do see 4 in Chatty
RandomTrivia: (Battle)
nyquister_: Battle of Zen
snowmonkey99: @TheMerricat apparently I just got gifted a sub by you a minute before I loaded the stream up... so.. thanks!
Sarah_Serinde: My chatty missed Asimech's
RandomTrivia: Actual paper magic? I thought that was a myth...
RockPusher: Some omnomnomdrazi
RandomTrivia: Squadrons hype!
RandomTrivia: Ian's work on the Thrustmaster pays off!
angryoptimist: Big PuPpeRs and little PuPpeRs.
Izandai: In an hour? Just enough time to watch part 3 of the North 100 Zendikar Rising set review. *wink wink nudge nudge*
ShaneLeeAtk: According to Matt's excitment, it may go all night long.
Snowcookies: WIggins was excited for this stream
niccus: oh, tough, you can't brake in space
TheMerricat: @snowmonkey99 @LoadingReadyRun so even if they weren't announced in stream it looks as if folk did get them for future reference if you hear more folk complain about that.
PharaohBender27: @TheMerricat Huh, interesting
Sogheim: augh they're not in sync!
Raiz0k: :D
Juliamon: Good to know that it's just the announcements getting lost and not the subs themselves
GapFiller: thanks for streaming lrrPAUL P lrrBEEEJ B lrrHEATHER H lrrHEART
RockPusher: lrrHEART lrrHEART lrrHEART
Raiz0k: Exactly :D.
Izandai: slytqLol
RandomTrivia: lrrHEART
MungoDude: byee
angryoptimist: lrrHEART
usmu1976: good evning all
PharaohBender27: Bye, thanks for the stream! lrrHEART
Snowcookies: bye
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
TheMerricat: and you are welcome @snowmonkey99 :-) Enjoy!
Raiz0k: lrrHEART lrrHEART lrrHEART
TheMerricat: Wonder if Twitch has decided to only announce a gift sub if the person is logged into chat at the moment it happens....
LunarJade: lunarj1Heart
Veggiekeks: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Friday Night Paper Fight (The crew plays offline MtG with real cards! Tonight the Zendikar World Tour Sealed Event! Game: Magic: The Gathering) at Fri 05:00 PM PDT (59m from now).
Mysticman89: isn';t (the algorithm)tm supposed to priorisitise people in chat though?
TheMerricat gifted a Tier 1 sub to this_is_a_test__! They have given 2679 Gift Subs in the channel!
LRRbot: lrrSPOT Thanks for subscribing, this_is_a_test__! (Today's storm count: 46)
TheMerricat: nope that's not it.
bobAkirafett: peace out ya'll
TheMerricat: ah, well mostly just want to make sure LRR gets their cut. :-) Have a wonderful rest of the day chat and be safe, be well, and be happy!
Raiz0k: Likewise, @TheMerricat !
LoadingReadyRun: @TheMerricat does it say the correct number of subs gifted on your user page?
Seagulyus: TheMerricat it prioritizes people in chat but it does NOT always target them. I know there is at least 4 tiers (depending on watch time and if you are following) but there have been instances of a person throwing out gift subs randomly and it hitting people that don't watch at all. twitch's algorithim is almost as unknowable as youtubes!
DerDrongo: @Seagulyus I think its about twitch not announcing the subs, not who it selects to benefit from them
GapFiller: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Friday Night Paper Fight (The crew plays offline MtG with real cards! Tonight the Zendikar World Tour Sealed Event! Game: Magic: The Gathering) at Fri 05:00 PM PDT (51m from now).
Seagulyus: ooh not announcing them is weird :o
Seagulyus: the two might be linked though. if someone not in chat gets a randomly selected sub it might not announce it
DerDrongo: i think that was being tested with the gift sub to this_is_a_test__ ... but that sub was targeted so might be handled differently
Juliamon: Because I don't think mod slack deserve to suffer alone, you all are now thinking about the 90's animated series James Bond Jr.
gnome_friend: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Friday Night Paper Fight (The crew plays offline MtG with real cards! Tonight the Zendikar World Tour Sealed Event! Game: Magic: The Gathering) at Fri 05:00 PM PDT (44m from now).
gnome_friend: !advice
LRRbot: You have to be alive to sleep.
Seagulyus: that's not true! when you aren't alive you are in permanent sleep! and when you are in suspended animation you are technically not alive and are technically sleeping kinda sorta *pedant*
Juliamon: I think the advice is originally referencing multiplayer Minecraft, where a dead player that hasn't respawned can prevent living players from sleeping