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Gekyouryuu: ahoy
CosmicDuctTape: off by one, Serge
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DeM0nFiRe: LUL
CosmicDuctTape: xactly
SnackPak_: sergeHi
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Electrodyne: Hi internet friends
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Electrodyne: is Coffee Kraken just ink that makes your coffee darker?
Alahmnat: hi Cam!
Dread_Pirate_Westley: And Serge!
Alahmnat: and Serge!
richard_ermen: Serge!
thaetaofdiamonds: Serge and cam do be vibin <3
secretbranch: goty or gaudy Kappa
Electrodyne: goat-y
DiscordianTokkan: Goddy
PixelArtDragon: Eh. There was enough added in 2020 that it definitely "came out" in 2020
JadedCynic: ooooo!
SnackPak_: just piss everyone off, I like it
JadedCynic: nice idea
treesinland: like a Jif
Electrodyne: got-y or go-ty
secretbranch: is it gif or goty
PixelArtDragon: There's an amazing documentary series on the development of Hades, the last part should be coming out soon
Juliamon: It's very god-y
noSmokeFire: jete
JadedCynic: gautier?
Electrodyne: James Turner, Jame of the Year
Greypelt: Greatest Of All Time Game of the Year - GOAT GOTY?
noSmokeFire: >:3c
TehAmelie: Arn de GOTY
JadedCynic: bye! o/
noSmokeFire: the hidden fists aspect is the >:3c aspect
TehAmelie: little joke for the swedes
SnackPak_: sergeJustRight
Orgmastron: nice
thaetaofdiamonds: Nice
PixelArtDragon: Lol, I escaped for the 34th time today. I don't think there's that much more to be spoiled for me
elah806: "I don't think I've beaten it" is the quintessential Hades mood
Amentur: Nice. chillboNice
DeM0nFiRe: nice.
Greypelt: nice lrrSPOOP
elah806: I started at 16 heat right out of the gate with the Pact of Punishment because I crave pain
noSmokeFire: welcome to plot
averythetiger: Where is the Homer reference?
elah806: He has Homer's fondness for, um, worshipful flourishes
secretbranch: it's when the narrator says "d'oh"
PixelArtDragon: It's kinda funny that the narrator actually tells Zagreus a VERY important piece of information that he wouldn't have otherwise ever found out
noSmokeFire: you can buy a Bust, Old Man for the house. 1) "Old Man" is what Zag calls the narrator, 2) the narrator's reaction to the bust implies it's supposed to be him, and 3) the bust is described as an (unnamed) famous poet
noSmokeFire: any% spoiler speedrun
averythetiger: It's a convolution of the Persephone myth
noSmokeFire: "raised" as in reared and also as in resurrected
Alahmnat: Greek mythology can pretty broadly summed up as "shenanigans happen"
elah806: I remember Serge's face when he saw the plot on the first clear on his stream
SmithKurosaki: Greetings!
secretbranch: it helps that this game exists in a post-percy jacjson world
DiscordianTokkan: I LOVE this part in the story, also, where The Poet spoils things for Zag
Saunabath: Cam, you're thinking an episode of Hercles: The Legendaty Journeys
drcanonball: but but but ares is the one who rides the motorcycle
PixelArtDragon: This is actually only really a 1/8 or 1/16th truth
InkyGhoast: get a seond death defiance!
averythetiger: I can't live anymore without the double dash.
EvilBadman: I like dark regen if I'm not pushing heat. Bosses don't give darkness if they're a bounty.
noSmokeFire: darkness from room rewards is usually pretty small potatoes.
elah806: I prefer Dark Regeneration generally but I'm learning to work with Cthonic Vitality for the prophecy
DiscordianTokkan: I personally like the Darkness heal via Infernal Troves, but I also like the flip side of Dash that encourages lrrGREED , sooooo
InkyGhoast: i have dark regeneration on for now because im grinding for darkness, but in general i prefer chthonic vitality
Dread_Pirate_Westley: The standard room drop of darkness is 10, so if you get 30% of that as healing, that's what you get from 1 room of vitality.
Trombone_Hero: Ooooh, how many runthroughs are you at right now? Finally had a successful run-through this past friday
Gekyouryuu: broker? trade for a key?
noSmokeFire: I don't think we have enough gems for keys
DiscordianTokkan: Is the Lounge open?
PixelArtDragon: It's weird how Skelly's advice is really good, and Hypnos's advice is very useless, but they don't really say such different things
KV1NN4: Usually someone or something no longer hissing at me usually means it likes me (or realizes I have food and holds less ill will)
EvilBadman: I love that Skelly and Zag are same VA
SnackPak_: sergeJustRight sergeJustRight sergeJustRight
SodaTAddict: when an unstoppable knife meets an immovable knife rack?
DiscordianTokkan: Good ol' mono-molecular blades
margieargie: The kniffe slowly cuts its way to the center of the earth
noSmokeFire: turns out "a dull knife is more dangerous" is one of those horseshoe axioms
MyOnlyAliasIsTaken: Subtle Knife shit
EvilBadman: @sodataddict King Arthur
A_Cat_Herder: oh my god I never knew the trader was there
Alephred: The slow blade penetrates the shield.
TehAmelie: i like the suggestion it's the primordial gun
elah806: I shrieked aloud when I unlocked the hidden aspect on the gun
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DiscordianTokkan: The Hidden Gun aspect's nice, but... I love Eris so MUCH
secretbranch: how often do you do the weapon the game suggests?
InkyGhoast: i haaaate the spear, im trying to hard to beat it with hidden aspect and it's just a grind in misery
averythetiger: I always take the Hades aspect on the spear and the damage takes care of itself.
AllTheWeasels: Spear feels very all in on getting the right hammers. I really like it when you hit, but it also seems like the easiest to miss on
Tom_Bruise: aspect of Achilles is pretty good on the spear, makes the second press on the special a gap closer
noSmokeFire: I always kill myself with the spear with the triple slash/short dash hammer
ANeMzero: who needs max health when you just heal constantly
elah806: All of the vamp builds in Hades are exceptional
SodaTAddict: I like the spear normally but I just can't make the Guan Yu aspect work
noSmokeFire: Special here if you're building to the ares duo
EvilBadman: Deflect on Fist is also real stong
TehAmelie: i feel like i need more dimensions of brain than i have to fully use the spear, hitting with the return move while never standing still and such
noSmokeFire: chaos literally predates gender :P
noSmokeFire: #3 will kill you
CosmicDuctTape: so much of the late game is about familial healing
TehAmelie: you can probably get hit like once
DiscordianTokkan: I think it's off the top, so it'd be down to 32?
Tom_Bruise: I think you'll go down to 1?
DiscordianTokkan: *38
Tom_Bruise: and then up to 4, so a hit and you die?
PixelArtDragon: Cast builds are BONKERS on some weapon aspects
Tregelen: poseidon sword is great for cast
averythetiger: If you can get Hermes' rapid fire on the cast with 3 stones.... DAMAGE
BoblinTheGoblin69: I think it does go back up tho after 4 enounters
TemporallyAwry: Not off the top - good to know lrrFINE_HF
margieargie: 1 is not zero!
ralfurystorm: 1>0
noSmokeFire: it's fine, we've got death defies
Ba_Dum_Tish: Just don't get hit
EvilBadman: yeah Poseidon aspect cast sword is fun
josh___something: Hidden aspect shield is DISGUSTING with cast builds
El_Funko: Just don’t get hit 5head
El_Funko: Ez game
Tregelen: hidden shield can do absurd cast numbers
InkyGhoast: friendship juice
Tregelen: just phases bosses
richard_ermen: So, out of curiosity, when did Talking Simulator switch from a meta-review of games to reviewing games from an inside content perspective?
Tom_Bruise: gems are only good once you clear out the fur and the scratches from the lounge anyhow
DiscordianTokkan: This room SPECIFICALLY hoses me with them, since they can come in from off-screen
elah806: Struggled a lot with these guys with the King Arthur sword
EvilBadman: it's to teach the Furies range on their dash
averythetiger: But Arthur's sword is the best. I have NEVER changed the sword back.
Ba_Dum_Tish: I love the Hades boss fight music
DiscordianTokkan: That experience was the reason I turned God Mode on, because I just wanted to experience the story
Fruan: EM4?
Tom_Bruise: I still have to beat Heat Hades
EvilBadman: Last time I saw Cameron playing, he got Hades lasered.
El_Funko: I love the Poseidon sword aspect, a nice cast build is very satisfying
InkyGhoast: i would rather fight hades than theseus, that fight hoses me a lot
elah806: Yeah I honestly find Theseus and the Minotaur much tougher than Hades
SodaTAddict: i thought nothing would dethrone Enter the Gungeon as my favorite game of this type but Hades has done it hands down
EvilBadman: Hades 1 is also more annoying to Hades 2, to me
averythetiger: Hades doesn't have that stupid shield. Way easier.
DiscordianTokkan: I want to try Poseidon Sword and Artemis for Exit Wounds, @El_Funko . Just seems FUN
AllTheWeasels: Hardest part of EM4 Hades IMO is jamming out to the boss music without getting distracted
El_Funko: Yeah it’s really good
TemporallyAwry: Congrats on "just not getting hit"
StarWarsTHX1138: I can't get pas Meg
chaostreader: Chaos boon matured.
StarWarsTHX1138: probably just cause I'm bad :(
El_Funko: @starwarsthx1138 keep at it, you get stronger with each run. Figuratively from learning, and literally from mirror unlocks
EvilBadman: oh hey, Tartarus Demon just a normal mob in Lost Izzy
noSmokeFire: cam's got a good ratio of dash attacks to regular attacks here
StarWarsTHX1138: Thanks @El_Funko
CosmicDuctTape: like in Slay the Spire when Sentries show up in Act 2 with the Orb
noSmokeFire: with zeus it's an adultery beverage
Ba_Dum_Tish: Zeus is too busy sleepng with everyone
DiscordianTokkan: He's not even the COOL Uncle, that's Big Fish Uncle
CosmicDuctTape: that line was foreshadowing
Tom_Bruise: Let's see Zeus keep his Lil' Zeus in his toga for more than a hot minute, then
PixelArtDragon: Yeah, but Poseidon is the cool uncle
Tom_Bruise: he'll get his drink
Amentur: But the cool uncle is Poseidon with his puns PrideHeyyy
InkyGhoast: ooh that's a tough call between strike and aid
CosmicDuctTape: "I tried to set him up with someone more wholesome" is a reference to Persephone
richard_ermen: But isn't Persephone returning every Winter?
MostCallMe__Tim: Dear Cameron, Curse your wonderful self. After watching the replays of this show I purchased this game and now I'm nearly 100 attempts in, reached end credits, and am heat 4 on all weps. I can't stop and I hope you're as happy with yourself as I am =)
CosmicDuctTape: @richard_ermen I believed that gets established after one of the endings
averythetiger: Persephone's cycle of the seasons establishes DURING this game.
InkyGhoast: oh that's excellent Tim!
DiscordianTokkan: @MostCallMe__Tim Nice! Congrats!
richard_ermen: @CosmicDuctTape Weird Oo
Tom_Bruise: ah, Sword, the Shoto of weapons
AllTheWeasels: Hidden Gun is one of my favorite weapons
PixelArtDragon: Aspect of Lucifer is really weird, but turns out really good
elah806: You forgot to mention that it's Satan's laser beam
MostCallMe__Tim: Aspect of Lucifer I find hilarious
EvilBadman: i hate than grab hands with armor
CosmicDuctTape: Dog Collar!
Akaiatana: that link doesn't work, sorry
silenceaux: Keepsake
elah806: Our second key will get us the fists
PixelArtDragon: If nothing else, it's free healing
MostCallMe__Tim: key
ExachixKitsune: So long as it's not big ping stone it's fine
Fruan: Elite fight means it'll be 2 keys, right?
ExachixKitsune: *Pink
noSmokeFire: we've had one chaos, yes, but what about second chaos?
Edgarware: benginChaos
DiscordianTokkan: The thing that REALLY hurt me a bunch of times was Yellow-Bar Enemies don't carry over damage from damage. So I've wasted massive damage blasts on doing 2 damage to something, instead of hitting it first and THEN deleting it
vellebastet: yo
silenceaux: Chaos immediately before the boss is always a big ? ? ?
Tregelen: however second chaos can sometimes be an extra life
EvilBadman: @exachixkitsune Only one miniboss per biome
PixelArtDragon: Hammer time!
CosmicDuctTape: stop. hammer time
AllTheWeasels: Stop, it's hammer time
JeremyDevoid: HAMMER TIME
DiscordianTokkan: Well, time for Hammer
MostCallMe__Tim: hammer time!
InkyGhoast: hammer!
ExachixKitsune: EvilBadman : Oh. I did not know that!
Amentur: Vampire you say? sammytVamp
Akaiatana: When you find yourself between a rock and a heart place
noSmokeFire: fun fact about hammers: the game is VERY determined for you to get both hammers on a run. skipping one for a spicy trial of the gods, etc. is usually fine
Wolfstrike_NL: It's a fun game!
CosmicDuctTape: Hades is Supergiant honed
elah806: This one nails the formula really, really well
josh___something: Chaos> hammer... but only because I go cast builds and not a lot of things scale with casts
Mushbie: lrrGOAT
LurkerSpine: I noped out hard on Hades. The controls are just off enough that it frustrates me to no end
DiscordianTokkan: Yeah, I've seen Hammers show up in Lavaland because I skipped one in the first area.
JeremyDevoid: now just need more hearts and palms
Akaiatana: This game gives you EVERY 'sure'
MostCallMe__Tim: I hate that I'm like 1 hammer upgrade shorth of prophecy on nearly all weps
EvilBadman: the accessibility mode is also very good
DiscordianTokkan: Ooh, early Hermes
Tregelen: yeah i skip hammers a lot, mainly cause i go cast builds a lot now
InkyGhoast: same tim, ugh
CosmicDuctTape: Dodge chance tho
josh___something: dodgs is good
tergonis: auto dodge is pretty good
Fruan: I realized I loved Hades when I was having a really good run, dirted out and died stupidly, and my reaction was "Yay! I get to talk to Dusa!" and not "Fuck this game"
PixelArtDragon: Dodge chance is always good, especially with the vampire blade
Dread_Pirate_Westley: Quick Reload is great...with Exit Wounds.
LurkerSpine: I think I'm one of the few people who thinks the writing - specifically the dialogue - is weak in this game.
josh___something: Fated persuasion is ACTUALLY OP
InkyGhoast: quick reload is great if you're trying for one of the legendary boon or have exit wounds
averythetiger: Oh yeah, I was hunting some of my last duos this morning.
DiscordianTokkan: Yeah, Reload's more for Exit Wounds and "Fling everything"
InkyGhoast: Serge we don have Extreme Measures :P
Tom_Bruise: it takes a while before the other furies start to show up
elah806: "revealed"
Dread_Pirate_Westley: Thanatos
chesul: Thanatos.
Amentur: Thanatos
DiscordianTokkan: Thanatos
InkyGhoast: Than
averythetiger: Thanatos, my boyfriend
EvilBadman: @inkyghoast I think he meant if we got Tis or the other one
vellebastet: sykLaugh
PixelArtDragon: Nope, his name is now canonically Stupid Sexy Death
vellebastet: Every time
BrookJustBones: but what about dusa?
MostCallMe__Tim: AND DUSA! sorta
josh___something: Rerolling your boons to get the duo boon earlier is gamebreaking
Tom_Bruise: that or Kaldheim's Egon. They're both kinda stupid sexy death
Orgmastron: "Zagreus is a bit of a brat" And that's where the whip comes in ;)
TehAmelie: more a V than a triangle if you wanna be technical
DiscordianTokkan: Dusa is just lurking in the rafters with pompoms cheering you on
InkyGhoast: Love triangle he says as if I didn't just got straight for the throuple route
josh___something: Than and meg are a-ok with polyamory
EvilBadman: Serge: I don't think he's gotten a clear yet
Dread_Pirate_Westley: Alecto
secretbranch: alecto
Scarbble: alecto
DiscordianTokkan: Alecto
MostCallMe__Tim: Alecto
elah806: Theseus' Extreme Measures variant is one of the funniest things I have ever seen in my life
Tom_Bruise: You fight only one of the furies, but the other two just throw out assists the whole time
DiscordianTokkan: Tis: Murder-friend, Alecto: Loves Beyblades
silenceaux: Al "Trash God" Ecto, Tis "Murder" Iphone
averythetiger: It's a pretty easy 2 heat. I always turn on the triple fury fight.
MostCallMe__Tim: I've only done meg and Lrrnie's extreme measures
Akaiatana: Is Meg Undyne and Dusa, Alphys?
josh___something: EM3 is a hard left turn into ridiculous and It's hilarious
Amentur: Theseus' outfit on extreme measures is great PrideLaugh
PixelArtDragon: Lernie's EM just took getting used to the new arena, other than that it's not that difficult either
Tom_Bruise: EM Theseus is also one of those moments where Theseus's "act" kinda wavers a little bit
RocknGrohlNerd: to the Cam's point of not knowing what drew him to the game, I too don't like roguelikes but man, the esthetics of this game keep me watching, for the third time
silenceaux: Thematically, Black Shawl boosts both effects of the first line from the mirror Nyx gave you. Which I think is neat.
averythetiger: I take WAY too much lava damage on EM Lernie. EVERY TIME
Invitare: It's not
elah806: I literally never purchase Well of Charon stuff that wears off
josh___something: Especially once you hear from achilles that the mask from theseus' outfit was made to mock anyone vein enough to actually wear it
Invitare: something happened to Asphodel, but there's zero evidence it was Zagreus
EvilBadman: I buy well items if I have cash
CosmicDuctTape: the river has definitely flooded, that much is true
InkyGhoast: yeah it's not confirmed it was zag, it's just as likely it got wrapped up in beruecracy and someone forgot it
chaostreader: One of the rivers of Hades is a river of fire.
elah806: Asphodel's flooding is a little bit of a noodle incident
Tom_Bruise: knockback on the special can prove to be useful utility when you're getting swarmed
PixelArtDragon: Knockback is really good in Asphodel because you can knock enemies into magma
Saintnex: Ya, Asphodel is actually a nice place, but currently flooded
MostCallMe__Tim: knock into lava is good
DiscordianTokkan: Good on Special, as a "oh Crap" button
ExachixKitsune: had to dip out for a sec - which hammer boon did they get?
InkyGhoast: vampire sword
ExachixKitsune: awww yeah
josh___something: SOMETHING diverted the river, but I don't know any dialogue specifying that its zags specific fault
TemporallyAwry: Too Sensible for the cool Uncle :P
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Tregelen: 4 gods not counting hermes, but you can force gods with relics
EvilBadman: what Tregelen said
Tom_Bruise: not necessarily; you can reroll the gods until you get other ones, and gods can over replacements for your core boons
josh___something: It eventually locks you out of getting offered other gods, but keepsakes circumvent that
Gnostic9: 410 I believe, very valuable
TemporallyAwry: XD ...
kalku__: wow, game
elah806: A duo that you'd rather sell is just an investment in getting the titan blood in Styx
InkyGhoast: let charon sippy juice!
kalku__: yes
Saintnex: I made the horrible mistake of fighting Charon once, and it was brutal lol
josh___something: Heat levels also force you to sell stuff, which I don't mind
kalku__: get pom
JeremyDevoid: rando pom seems best of this lot
Haroldholmes25: pogmegranates
MostCallMe__Tim: I love mom's keepsake makes poms nearly not worth taking
averythetiger: I don't see why not take Posidon. You can get call or special or cast
PixelArtDragon: The Poseidon/Athena duo is decent
Gekyouryuu: charon was the first person I gifted ambrosia
josh___something: Poseidon also just fives you stuff
silenceaux: It'll hit pretty hard
kalku__: pom
chesul: an "oh shit, get away" button can be super nice.
Gnostic9: Combos very well with sword special, particularly if you can get the Zeus duo
EvilBadman: can always sell the special
DiscordianTokkan: Oh, worst boss room
Saintnex: 100% worst boss room
PixelArtDragon: Something that's interesting is that there's diminishing returns on higher levels for a lot of the boons
josh___something: Divine dash deals 1 more dmg per pom which is kind of a slap in the face
F1SHOR: I always thought this was the easiest miniboss
averythetiger: Because we keep doing the dash strike which doesn't heal.
elah806: This fight becomes several times more complicated with the Punishment upgrade
Gnostic9: The difficulty of this miniboss scales directly with your health pool
Saintnex: WUT
beeefcake27: gee
JeremyDevoid: that was rough
kalku__: RIP
DiscordianTokkan: Worst. Boss. Room.
silenceaux: Very rough that death defiance didn't get you back over 16 health. :(
PixelArtDragon: It doesn't help that you have 0 starting health upgrade
secretbranch: remember you aren't s powerful in this run as your personal runs, you're right where you need to be
Akaiatana: Can't suck the blood from a rock
AlterForm: Gorgon was also starting to do my least part of that fight, where she starts wandering off into the northern lava
josh___something: Miniboss sucks for smol health bars
kalku__: those giant hits punish Vampire
DiscordianTokkan: Buuut, hey, Keys for fun Punchtime
AlterForm: *least favorite
DiscordianTokkan: Thanks, Hypno.
josh___something: Hypnos, pls
JeremyDevoid: hypno go back to sleep and just stop talking to me
Alahmnat: I hate that guy
vellebastet: Cam's face sykLaugh
DiscordianTokkan: unarmeOkay
Akaiatana: "If it were me, I'd just sleep better"
SodaTAddict: isn't Cam just describing at least one Crapshot here
MostCallMe__Tim: Hypnos actually gets praised by hades at one point
Tom_Bruise: Hypnos has all the best advice; When he tells Meg she should dodge your attacks more, it's the best
Wolfstrike_NL: you didn't sleep well last night? have you considered a bed?
Xed_Regulus: Hypnos did not visit me last night.
DiscordianTokkan: Cerberus Keepsake might be handy to grab, here?
MostCallMe__Tim: give nectar to doggo
InkyGhoast: you could also give your dad some juice, i don't think you get the relic but it's funny
averythetiger: Hypnos is my FINAL friendship level unlock but he JUST WON'T FINISH HIS ARC!
GhostValv: :)
JeremyDevoid: give dog gift
JeremyDevoid: best dog
vellebastet: whattttt
Gekyouryuu: give a nectar to dad sometime
DiscordianTokkan: Oh. It's not giving the option. That's.. weird.
Saintnex: Yea, with the sword and vampiric strike, Cerberus' gift is really good
DiscordianTokkan: Ah, there it is
EvilBadman: Doggo is backwards you have to talk to him first
Gnostic9: Is Cam new to the game or just a new save?
EvilBadman: new save
InkyGhoast: new save
Alahmnat: that is something of a design flaw
Akaiatana: Two opposable heads
JeremyDevoid: dogs just do that so its not a huge suprise
Sogheim: well, he has two more, right?
CosmicDuctTape: it's an old collar, though
secretbranch: it ha two other opposable heads
Tom_Bruise: the collar will just give you more room for error, which, turns out, helps when you're learning stuff
elah806: It's shocking how easy dogs and cats can remove collars if they're motivated to
vellebastet: <3
MostCallMe__Tim: no
Saintnex: we want to save up for the list of prophecies I think
DiscordianTokkan: Oh! Like the Prophecies.
JeremyDevoid: oh meg wants to talk
MostCallMe__Tim: get the list and get tons o gems
Tom_Bruise: You'll also need to clear out the lounge at some point If you want to progress Dusa's relation arc
averythetiger: Prophecies WILL come with nice rebates
kalku__: Three of my favourite things! Cam, Serge, & Hades!
vellebastet: sykLaugh sykLaugh
silenceaux: well...
kalku__: and by things I mean people and a game
secretbranch: using the greek power of logos, i can assume that persephone is dead
Tom_Bruise: spoilers; at some point, it will be you
Akaiatana: Just wait for Achilles' heel turn
call_me_Aras: It can be you though.
DiscordianTokkan: WELL, funny you say that Cam..
PixelArtDragon: Even Cerberus gets to be employee of the month
josh___something: It will never be you... until it is
call_me_Aras: Well, eventually it can be you
Invitare: you know who else it'll never be? Hypnos. Turns out you have something in common
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TehAmelie: it's clearly just a random lottery to single out Zag
CosmicDuctTape: @Akaiatana how dare you
Gnostic9: Supergiant are the masters of ambience
Akaiatana: I think that's a book
MostCallMe__Tim: get the list so you can fish
Saintnex: That slight sound of scraping from the knife across the cutting board is soo good
PixelArtDragon: It's more obviously a toupee when they're employee of the month
TehAmelie: Hypnos honestly just told me "have you tried not standing on the spike traps when the spikes come out?"
DiscordianTokkan: THose 20 gemstones could unlock the list of Propecies...
averythetiger: I don't... get her.
DiscordianTokkan: Dusa is great, love her
secretbranch: the self-insert fangirl
Orgmastron: I have...complicated feelings about Dusa
Akaiatana: She's like Alphys from Undertale, she is relatable to many players
call_me_Aras: I like Dusa, my brother doesn't, a lot of it has to do with the vocal effect for him.
Saintnex: Im... more Meg then Dusa, but I think Dusa is a nice character I guess
Gnostic9: Dusa is purity itself
silenceaux: Navigating crushes is how you survive Asphodel
EvilBadman: Dusa is ace also
josh___something: I appreciate dusa as a co-workee
vellebastet: She's adorable.
PixelArtDragon: Dusa, or as I like to call her, Med-ace-a
breadisbest1: have you seen the 25 minute speed run of Hades video?
MostCallMe__Tim: Malphon was actually my first escape success
EvilBadman: my first escape was rail, lol
GhostValv: block shot I enjoy with shield
MostCallMe__Tim: plus Gilgamesh aspect is great
EvilBadman: I blame Gungeon
elah806: My first two escapes were bow
averythetiger: I... think the shield got me out first?
Gnostic9: You can cheese Theseus hilariously with that block
CosmicDuctTape: I'm highest heat with Malphon, because I maxed the dodge aspect and then I do Plume runs
secretbranch: i'm on team fists. i prefer an in their face strat rather than the ranged attacks from gun or bow
kalku__: Don't remind Serge that it took him like two shield runs to realise it can block
josh___something: Spoilers: Dusa doesn't actually like you romatically, she liked an idea(?) of you, I think
Aravion: poseidon is good, but zeus shield special makes poseidon hard
josh___something: Charge>Go is My playstyle
Spacepup: Dash-striking with the shield I like, it's very quick.
PixelArtDragon: The aspects of the Shield are really neat
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Gekyouryuu: my first escape was fists, but more so because of demeter cast and the demeter duos with Artemis and athena
Invitare: Poseidon Special on Chaos Aspect is one of my go-tos
elah806: I love the Zeus shield aspect that turns it into a lighting yoyo
josh___something: and blocking 90% as a result
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Gnostic9: Phalanx shot is normally mediocre but purple is spicy
Invitare: on the other hand... dash is always dash
josh___something: Zeus aspect got me through a lot since it got me to use the shield's special
Saintnex: I like the phalanx shot personally, but the pick might just be divine dash
InkyGhoast: cast being 119 is quite good
CosmicDuctTape: dash is always dash
jugepenitent: is Hades in other platform beside Switch?
PixelArtDragon: Phalanx Shot is good damage, though, but it moves a little weirdly
EvilBadman: PC
InkyGhoast: it's also on pc
Invitare: The Athena/Zeus duo turns it into a threat
GhostValv: cast is good if you get the hermes upgrade to cast
Gnostic9: If you can get the Zeus/Athena duo phalanx shot is very fun
josh___something: The downside to shield special is that you CAN'T charge/block while it's thrown, so it leaves you open
Athelgar: i use cast to get the damage buff
jugepenitent: damn I didn't know it
Akaiatana: That'll Lern you
Athelgar: stacking 4 casts gives a lot of buff
Invitare: Ares on Attack with Bull Rush is good
Girl_Ephemeral: Doom on the special could be kind of spicy
josh___something: Ares is fine with shield
Invitare: Ares also works on Special
EvilBadman: ares on special with the multi bounce
silenceaux: Doom wants you to hit regularly, but not rapidly
josh___something: Doom with charge is neat
PixelArtDragon: And there's always just the flat damage boost that Ares gives
elah806: Blade Rift always ends up being a workhorse
Gnostic9: Doom usually prioritizes infrequent attacks and multitargeting. Very good for shield special.
GhostValv: benginChaos
josh___something: I'd say that doom attack is one of the better fits with shield
corpocracy: I like Ares on Special shield and bow as a good fire and forget option
josh___something: (Doom in general just feels bad though
Saintnex: I like the pauper's shot personally
Saintnex: cast damage plus boiling blood is strong in my mind
josh___something: OH, atk hit is BAD with shield [PSA: the charge from the shield counts as a second attack, so you will be dealt double damage if you try to charge]
josh___something: learned that the hard way
Gnostic9: Remember to cast. Lots of damage early game
EvilBadman: I save my companion summon for Theseus phase change
MetalVessel: @Gnostic9 I think also you can animation cancel into different attack forms so it boosts your DPS to rotate what you're using quickly
GhostValv: D:
josh___something: I use the speedrun method for theseus (look up and press the summon to consistenly hit both theseus and bull
EvilBadman: Miniboss is always a boon. that was just an elite room
averythetiger: We should be using HIS gift.
Akaiatana: Zagreus is the bolder of the two, Sisyphus is the boulder of the two.
aesir_blade: Zagreus is correlated with Dionysus, right?
PixelArtDragon: I really, REALLY like that they made Sisyphus happy. I feel like it was a nod to Camus
Saintnex: turns out having multiple writers over multiple centuries leads to wildly differing mythos "D
Gekyouryuu: you mean zagreus and dionysus?
elah806: Information didn't work the same way then as it did now
josh___something: Money
Gnostic9: It's a collection of stories across several different cultures over a few centuries of history. It's not exactly consistent.
averythetiger: Well this is gonna suck
NotAFireDemon: Like room 5
NotAFireDemon: Tartarus!
chesul: Tartarus.
Last1031: the only real stable thing in greek mythology is Zues porked everything
Gekyouryuu: tartarus
Tom_Bruise: "How bad can it be?" *It turns out to be the worst*
Akaiatana: The name never sticks
MetalVessel: Hey, as long as you still have 1 hit point you're still in this
chesul: Styx is the final zone before the end boss.
Robot_Bones: tartous sauce
kalku__: how much damage do you take from main attack?
vellebastet: Only sometimes as a person
EvilBadman: kalku 3 per
PixelArtDragon: Ever look at the Wikipedia page about Zeus's offspring? It's huge
elah806: [GIF of milhouse blown back by TV]
kalku__: not too bad lil
josh___something: Serge pls, almost woke up my family with my laugh
jonnykefka: I got my second clear after watching parts 1 and 2 on youtube, so this is auspicious
aesir_blade: the problem is that it's putting out adds which are basically ECM to the shield
Gnostic9: It doesn't help that greek historians had a habit of...ahem...embellishing
Saintnex: uhhhh, NOEP
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EvilBadman: I'd love to see Serge drive a run on his file once.
tctrain: Yeah, Hades summoning minibosses is not fun
josh___something: EM4 adds are literal minibosses
averythetiger: Still haven't tried EM Hades. Still crawling up the heat.
elah806: How many heat do you need before that happens? I have full Extreme Measures enabled but I'm not getting elite enemy consorts
josh___something: MEGAGORGON+HADES suuuuuucks
EvilBadman: @elah806 It's only EM4 hades
Tom_Bruise: In their defence, they merely offered you a choice, you just chose poorly
Our_oBoros: Serge knows why he's Team Order Kappa
ArcOfTheConclave: what was the debuf?
Gnostic9: @elah806 You have to unlock it seperately from the contractor
averythetiger: elah806 there's a contractor thing to unlock EM 4
PixelArtDragon: There's also Middle Management which adds traps to this boss room
fir3wolfhhmd: main attack
josh___something: this honks
Brozard: oof
kalku__: oof
chesul: fir3wolfhhmd that would have killed him.
josh___something: This honks on bobo
chaostreader: Boon evolved.
averythetiger: If we jam Athena we can maybe reclaim some DDs
fir3wolfhhmd: @chesul I know
jonnykefka: I've found shield can be unstoppable or total trash and there is very little middle ground
kalku__: Aphro bonus damage is huge
PixelArtDragon: There's always a chance to get Patroclus
EvilBadman: we could get to patty for the DDs
Fruan: aphro gives the most damage, because love hurts
chesul: fir3wolfhhmd then why suggest it?
GhostValv: love conquers all :)
Brozard: Her call is amazing as well, just DROP massive damage on someone
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Gnostic9: I believe she sits at the single highest for attack. Second behind poseidon for special.
fir3wolfhhmd: @chesul because somebody asked what teh debuff was
BrookJustBones: love is a hurricane
josh___something: Aphro deals the most damage because she WAS/IS a god of war at somepoint
kalku__: Those are the same thing Serge
PixelArtDragon: Why not both?
veelofar: Knowing Aphrodite, it's definitely Love Hurts
jonnykefka: weakest secondary effeft
chesul: because she's a B...
SerGarretCameron: porque no los dos?
Brozard: Because love and hate are only a razor's edge away
josh___something: so... bdsm?
TehAmelie: though she can upgrade the weakness debuff to also increase your damage even more
TheElrad: it's all the nosebleeds
StreetCornerPoet: Because she's also a guardian of graveyards, so she wants more things dead
chesul: fir3wolfhhmd I might suggest directing the message at them then, so that the streamer doesn't think it's a suggestion for them.
Last1031: Love is the most brutal thing in existence. It will cause people to destroy countries or themselves.
kalku__: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".
EvilBadman: Later game I still take keys for rerolls
BrookJustBones: no, that is a later upgrade for diamonds
Brozard: It's an unlock
Dread_Pirate_Westley: There's a contractor upgrade that makes it apply to gems.
thepirateofthesea: The gems bonus needs to be unlocked
averythetiger: You can UPGRADE it to apply to gems
aesir_blade: You get an upgrade from the contractor that makes it apply to gems
I_Am_Clockwork: not initially it's an upgrade
Saintnex: Thats an unlock though
InkyGhoast: booooons
jonnykefka: ooooof
call_me_Aras: You have to unlock bonus gems through the contractor
Robot_Bones: still in yourin gemfancy
Gnostic9: Athena trial is fairly easy, Aphrodite is hell itself
PixelArtDragon: Don't forget that Aphrodite was the instigator of the Trojan War. She knows how to hurt.
josh___something: Aphro scorn SUCKS
PixelArtDragon: Lament is super good
kalku__: Her cast is PAINFUL, always pick Aphro
skyrider19: Athena is not fun to piss off when you get to elysium though
Brozard: mmm Dying Lament
Gnostic9: Crush shot is severely underrated in my opinion
TehAmelie: i haaate Athena's wrath and i know i'm not alone. really, there's at least one more
BoblinTheGoblin69: lament is good
jonnykefka: oh yeah
josh___something: @skyrider19 taking a trial in elysium sucks in general though
PixelArtDragon: There's only one boss without any adds, though
ArcOfTheConclave: bosses with adds
skyrider19: @josh___something That's true
averythetiger: Athena's call? I love it. Her, Posidon and Ares have calls that allow you to breathe a second in boss fights.
fir3wolfhhmd: aphrodites call with a full meter, though...
Brozard: Experience wall
aesir_blade: I honestly like using Aphrodite's call at a single meter on bosses since it interrupts whatever they're doing
jonnykefka: 5% DR is always fine
Saintnex: bronze skin is nice I guess
PixelArtDragon: Bronze skin, though
EvilBadman: exposed is nice.
silenceaux: Dash through -> Backstab
Spacepup: The Adamant Rail + All of Poseidon's knockback boons are my favorite. Feels like I'm just bullying regular enemies.
Gnostic9: Blinding is great with shield because you can just dask attack spam
EvilBadman: You're dashing through and backstabbing. :/
josh___something: food!!!
InkyGhoast: but we could save for a death defiance
Brozard: I'll windmill slam Side Hustle every single time
josh___something: 3 is neat
EvilBadman: urge
averythetiger: None of the fun Hermes stuff. Hurts so bad not being able to reroll.
josh___something: 30% dmg reduct after dash
GhostValv: alecto ...
Fofo57007: tnyS
Brozard: They were always too busy with work
Tom_Bruise: to be fair, Hades doesn't allow Alecto and Tisiphone in the house
Duwani1: I get the feeling Meg does not like her sisters much
jonnykefka: I mean Meg doesn't like her sisters much
LurkerSpine: I thought all the other Sisters were banned from the house
fir3wolfhhmd: "busy in other places" runs in the family.
I_Am_Clockwork: I honestly find Alecto to be the hardest of the three furries
Saintnex: Yea Meg's sisters cant enter the house, and Zag hasnt allowed to leave the house\
ArcOfTheConclave: Zag might just be bad boyfriend
Gnostic9: Both Meg and Dusa are exceptions
Tom_Bruise: Yea, they're too... peculiar for regular mingling amongst the servants of the House
Tom_Bruise: What did you do to enrage Alecto? Exist. That's what you did to enrage Alecto.
Duwani1: Electo has Big Dom energy
vellebastet: sweet
EvilBadman: Enraged is not punching her, until she's at 25%
Saintnex: Its the aspect of Zeus I think?
fir3wolfhhmd: isn't that also Hunting Blades?
PixelArtDragon: Aspect of Zeus is really fun, it just melts stationary enemies so fast
elah806: Beyblade shield makes Erebus Gates a breeze
averythetiger: Yeah, Zues shield is great
aesir_blade: Serge do you have the secret shield form yet? Beyblade was my fave till i got that
AlterForm: Support Fire on Zeus Shield, ChefKiss
josh___something: beo shield form is best
jonnykefka: Mild spoilers, but I really enjoyed Meg's comments on "Extreme Measures". When you turn it on, and when you turn it off.
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josh___something: @aesir_blade Beo aspect has been my favorite shield aspect, and my fastest (and highest heat) clear because it's sooo good
josh___something: is it just mr, or is there no BGM?
vellebastet: I really need more Panalysts episodes in my life
wildpeaks: welcome back
josh___something: @vellebastet I really looked forward to getting panalysts and qwerpline before... yeah
Tom_Bruise: Alecto went through a transformation of undefeated to defeated
EvilBadman: Live forever or die trying
vellebastet: @josh___something Yeah.. lol
vrulg: I don't know, I have a right to be *very* on fire
Orgmastron: Chaining hearts seems dece
ANeMzero: Fuck that primordial force
josh___something: can confirm, died to heightened security magma more than 0 times
secretbranch: 141 is not 0
averythetiger: Oh yeah. Chaos doesn't care. Chaos just does.
TehAmelie: that's randomness for ya
elah806: I don't think Chaos really grasps the concept of "best interests"
PixelArtDragon: I mean, Chaos doesn't claim to be trying to make your runs easier. Just more interesting.
josh___something: (never run heightened security... literally kills runs sometimes)
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A_Dub888: Phalanx shot feels especially good against Theseus's spear throws
PixelArtDragon: Sometimes you go to the store to walk really weirdly
EvilBadman: You can also cheese it here by lava bathing to rez with more HP
Saintnex: For health upgrades, I try to get up to about 200 health, which I feel is where I need to be for an entire run
silenceaux: If you're getting gradually ground down, it's sort of like a "heal to X%" in most rooms.
EvilBadman: I'd make your Aphro more powerful
josh___something: Stubborn defiance got me through a lot of the game
EvilBadman: Artie could also show up later again anyhoo
josh___something: Weak is an underrated debuff. it reduces damage
BrowneePoints: You do eventually get a buff that buffs you for each unique god boon
MyOnlyAliasIsTaken: This is my favorite miniboss. I love this fight
josh___something: Barge of SLOWW
wildpeaks: happy little lava turtle boat
EvilBadman: This replaces the Duo OR the Witches
josh___something: I've speedran hades before... this sucks
Saintnex: ugh the Witches, they are awful
cosarprime: When you start playing?
PixelArtDragon: I like barge, I for some reason find the close quarters easier to dodge in
SodaTAddict: witches is really fun with dash deflect though
BrowneePoints: Witches are STILL miserable depending on your power setup
averythetiger: i love how they almost never say "skeletons". They're "The bloodless"
plummeting_sloth: and calling something a bullet hell means a lot down here
F1SHOR: witches your either build for so it's easy or your not and it's the worst
josh___something: Witches circle sucks a bit (unless you have shield)
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A_Dub888: When I think I have a good strat against the witches, they go "LOL NOPE! EAT BULLET"
aesir_blade: Surrender gives a chance at Aphrodite's legendary which is great
aesir_blade: So does empty but I like damage more
MostCallMe__Tim: Just did my first EM3 Theseus fight, LMAO! plus I actually think he was a bit easier when not blocking 24/7
PixelArtDragon: There are 13 songs with the name Sweet Surrender
EvilBadman: MostCallMe__Tim I prefer EM3 too
F1SHOR: it just hit me I don't think I've been offered a shield run in like 15 runs...
averythetiger: Are legendary boons even available before Posidon introduces them?
Krysolit: can't be Sarah McLachlan's version, she wasn't a one-hit-wonder
EvilBadman: I believe so averythetiger
SodaTAddict: TWO! Two witches! Ah-ah-aaaah
josh___something: I've grown fond of taking revenge boons since... "don't get hit lul" is a goddamn lie
TheWriterAleph: eyyyy
TotallyNotaBeholder: Good news Cam
TotallyNotaBeholder: And he beat me to it
ContingentCat: !ing
josh___something: Mega gorgons in hades em4 can GO TO HELL
EvilBadman: josh___something they used to freeze up my switch immediately
jamesinor: Still trying to actually escape Hades, this game is not easy to master.
EvilBadman: Wait no that was doomstone, but yeah
I_Am_Clockwork: Are's doom ablilities are great for punching through armor
PixelArtDragon: Keys are super useful until they're not, until you buy the contractor upgrade that makes them super useful again
I_Am_Clockwork: in my experience
MetalVessel: @jamiYeah, but you can grind mirror upgrades which makes the game easier
josh___something: doomstone sucks for different reasons... but megagorgon and snitch is the top two WORST miniboss spawns
TotallyNotaBeholder: If you're super rich the Yarn is nice, otherwise it's a big pass
BrowneePoints: I love the yarn when I'm doing specific runs
MetalVessel: @josh___something Really/? I feel like as long as you can dodge to get behind Megagorgon everything is fine
BrowneePoints: 125 for heart
TotallyNotaBeholder: 125 for a heart
EvilBadman: @MetalVessel EM4 gorgon teleports also
F1SHOR: hammer is love hammer is life
TotallyNotaBeholder: Hammer in the morning
josh___something: @metalvessel not when there's 3 of them and your on a 5min timer
ContingentCat: it's hammertime
jonnykefka: Pulverizing blow is incredibly strong
Kyir: Love that pulverizing
EvilBadman: Pulv blow prob best
TotallyNotaBeholder: PB is nice
Tom_Bruise: talk about doubling basic attack dmg, holy moley
averythetiger: I feel like pulverizing is how we're playing
MetalVessel: @josh___something Fair enough. I'm only at he point where I can consistently get to Hades, not actually escape, so no pact of punishment yet
elah806: kids these days too busy looking at their purples to read a boon
jonnykefka: It's basically double damage
Gekyouryuu: i'm doing a run right now and got pulverizing blow
space_turbulence: the knockback is, like, what makes the shield so powerful
jonnykefka: vs. Lernie, pulverizing blow will just rip his health bar down
averythetiger: You still stagger with pulverizing, right?
RobinTheRude: You do stagger, just no knockback.
EvilBadman: Serge mean pushing a dude back out of melee not "stagger"
josh___something: Yarn helps you get legendary boons/duo boons faster, so there's merit to takin it if you're planning on speedrunning with merciful end, for example!
F1SHOR: I dash strike too much I tend to mess myself buying these attack upgrades
BrowneePoints: Explosive Return is GROSS with the Zeus Aspect
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GhostValv: :O
Saintnex: That fight is bonkers
vellebastet: Whaaaaaat
Tom_Bruise: oh. Oh THAT fight. Yea that fight's a doozy
averythetiger: He's so hard
Saintnex: Charon is SO tough
josh___something: The charon fight LUL
cosarprime: Only in the shops not right before a boss
BrowneePoints: You mean you can attempt to fight charon and he really just slaps you around
averythetiger: He just slaps SO HARD
Ba_Dum_Tish: Do not temp Charon
Amentur: You 'borrow' the money
Tom_Bruise: At some point, Hermes will challenge you to fight and beat Charon twice in a row
josh___something: Charon hits for 40 DAMAGE per hit
TotallyNotaBeholder: Charon is the hardest fight int he game, easy
Kyir: Always try to shoplift!
F1SHOR: if your ready for it though it's so worth
josh___something: 40
GhostValv: I also enjoy the record scratch
MyOnlyAliasIsTaken: I'm besties with Charon, I accidentally gave him my first bottle of Ambrosia, but I stand by it
silenceaux: Yeah I think the Charon fight's damage does not scale through the run, just the value of getting the card.
EvilBadman: Hermes gives you a challenge for dunking him twice in a row (as in without dying to him, not two runs in a row)
josh___something: Charon can afford to be a merchant in hell
MostCallMe__Tim: I took Charon's lunch money once,not knowing what, and yeah... it was bad
PixelArtDragon: Oh man, I've been on EM2 for so long I had to double-take when I saw the old Lernie room
Bladinus: Stealing from shopkeeps in Rogue-likes rarely goes well.
MetalVessel: @Bladinus It kind of works in Nethack if you can get your "innocent" pet to do it
GredGredmansson: Like Freddie Merchantry from Necrodancer
josh___something: I take charons lunch money a lot... but he takes 2 DDs from me so were even.... hopefully
Wicker_Guide: triple or quad
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EvilBadman: No time limit...yet. :D
averythetiger: But if you WIN the Charon fight, you can just buy EVERYTHING for the rest of the run.
TotallyNotaBeholder: You can add a time limit at some point
Fruan: I'm so used to playing with Tight Deadline that I forget it's optional.
Fruan: It's free heat!
EvilBadman: @Fruan and it gets rid of the "survive for 45s" rooms
Fruan: Better than free!
aesir_blade: What's the opinions on 'heal from darkness' vs 'heal every room' on the mirror?
Bladinus: GG
josh___something: Tight deadline is ez heat until you get to TD3 and EM4... it was a mistake
averythetiger: I always heal per room. Especially past the point where darkness is important.
cosarprime: I only really like the heal from darkness if the bosses are giving darkness.
EvilBadman: aesir_blade depends on the run, if you're not pushing heat bounties, bosses dropping darkness is free heals
ArchAnthius: I love this game so much got it for christmas pushed up to heat 4 with each weapon so far.
aesir_blade: Even when I don't have any boss darkness I always like it for the ability to heal from buying darkness from stores
F1SHOR: hammer is always right 😂
TotallyNotaBeholder: Bouncing shield helps with the chariots
TheElrad: if we find our friend here we can get death defy back
EvilBadman: My highest heat is 18 I think. I have the heat 16 Statue
josh___something: Darkness heal is only good if darkness still holds value, if not... then naaaaaah
vellebastet: I do love the environments in this game
averythetiger: Always hammer
I_Am_Clockwork: I ALWAYS take hammer
Spacepup: I don't think I've ever chosen anything over a hammer.
josh___something: Health is good
BrowneePoints: Hammer upgrades are always better
josh___something: Hammer upgrades on shield arent necessary
Saintnex: I always like Hammer over almost everything else
SodaTAddict: huh, i've been sleeping on hammers then
EvilBadman: Hammers are great augments
TotallyNotaBeholder: Only thing I'll take over a hammer is double boon
secretbranch: very...special
ArchAnthius: Hammer depends on what I've got so far. sometimes I don't feel I need them
Roughly21Smurfs: This is some sublime ass gameplay
aesir_blade: Do either of those affect the doom damage?
josh___something: Shield hammers are not THAT defining... but shield hammers are fine
averythetiger: Eh. None of my favorites from the hammer
EvilBadman: I like the shield shot hammer on some builds
chesul: the first hammer is in act one or two I believe, not just act one. and if you skip one it shows up in Styx.
josh___something: Explosive return is a good free damage one
BrowneePoints: Doom damage increases quite a bit with poms
Spacepup: First upgrade on doom would almost double, I thinkg.
wildpeaks: Dave's discount gods warehouse
josh___something: lv3 is the median good pom
wildpeaks: "just don't get hit, forehead"
TehAmelie: on the other hand almost anything gets ridiculous if you can get up to level 8 or so
chesul: Yarn seems good.
averythetiger: PATRICK!
EvilBadman: Get your DDs
GhostValv: patty c :O
Spacepup: Oh! Free DDs!
josh___something: Pom rooms are much more valuable if you are in a cast build since you don't scale from anything else
rainbowleotard: pat
Bladinus: Patty!
josh___something: FREE DDS!
wildpeaks: ohh
EvilBadman: I love seeing patty with all DDs and get to take 60% damage
averythetiger: HISTORY shiped Pat and Achilles
BrowneePoints: You can't ship what is HISTORICALLY ACCURATE
Wicker_Guide: we can fix fic them
Orgmastron: ^
Tom_Bruise: Can you ship a couple that never really broke up?
MostCallMe__Tim: give nectar
RobinTheRude: Death did literally do them part.
averythetiger: But good lord, what a run-saver, Pat can be.
Roughly21Smurfs: Ship? I mean aren’t they, you know, the eternal gays of Greek myth anyway??
TehAmelie: "i can excuse historical inaccuracy but i draw the line at Achilles and Patroclus being """cousins"""" as that review of the moivie Troy said
plummeting_sloth: daaang
EvilBadman: Besides, Theseus is the most apt person to ship.
GhostValv: run save :O
theinvisiblevoice: I don't think I ever skip it
BrowneePoints: plus we dodge Asterius
EvilBadman: Yeah, I'll take the 60% attack for 10 rooms if I'm set on DDs
josh___something: Pat gives you pretty juicy buffs outside of DDs
averythetiger: I only skip Pat if I haven't lost any DD, and the other door needs to be GOOD.
josh___something: the hydralite is good
josh___something: Eff the shields
Roughly21Smurfs: “I don’t think we care about Zeus here” - Everyone in Greek myth who is NOT Zeus
BrowneePoints: But mixed in with other enemies it SUCKS
Saintnex: I mean I like all the friends rooms just because I like character development and story
jonnykefka: Poseidon call is strong as heck
averythetiger: PLEASE Asterius!
EvilBadman: Poseidon pirouettes on controller is chef kiss.
Roughly21Smurfs: Surfing yo 🏄♂️
josh___something: Asterius pls
BrowneePoints: Yep if you do super quick little circles with poisedon's call you do a TON of damage
Butternades: Good day fellow humans I have just returned home from my daily tribulations regarding education
BrowneePoints: Also You need to talk to asterius a bunch to get the hidden Fists
josh___something: You need to ignore the adds in BBB or you just leak DDs
vellebastet: Yeeeeah You're right. That's exactly what this is. sykLaugh
EvilBadman: Theseus is usally easy to keep in the mid while you kite bull around outside
Saintnex: Yea, thats why I always immediately gun down Asterius first
EvilBadman: Probably get the call offer, since the game knows we don't have one
josh___something: The beowulf shield method is to just focus asterius down and maube collat theseus on some attacks
averythetiger: Always kill Asterius first so you can forge the lightning spear.
EvilBadman: lol
cosarprime: Dodging calls while also dodging asterious is so annyoing
aesir_blade: I try and damage both of them at the same time
Tom_Bruise: Asterius seems to be the right pick first, since getting Theseus first, he basically introduces a third boss
A_Dub888: Also its a lot easier to deal with Theseus's call when there isn't a seven foot bull man charging at you
josh___something: It's harder to "ignore" asterius
EvilBadman: If you have a summon, fire it off right when his phase immunity drops
Ba_Dum_Tish: I usually focus Asterius just because the god buff is hard to dodge with the bull being on your butt
BrowneePoints: But yea the Fists that Asterius unlocks for you are COOL
averythetiger: It's SOOO jading to live in post-summons Hades where you can let Ankles and Pat hit them REAL hard.
josh___something: Asterius can't be ignored
josh___something: Just don't get hit! :)
jonnykefka: nice deflect there
niccus: that's the game everyone's waiting for from fromsoft right? armored souls
josh___something: The souls are only armored when the enemy was armored (and they respawn armored too, which sucks)
EvilBadman: This is a good build and run :)
aesir_blade: You offered them a nice egg
TotallyNotaBeholder: The most dangerous game... tennis
theinvisiblevoice: if you bounce it back you can't get hit by the split
ashteranic: the splits from a reflected big ball won't hurt you
BrowneePoints: If you deflect the big one the split can't hit you
averythetiger: I LOVE bouncing the big casts
josh___something: That wasn't a miniboss, that was an elite room... aka 90% armored enemies which suck
Vyous: The evolution of door decisionmaking is really interesting here, because with high powered builds, it's often safer/faster to take mini-bosses when compared to normal mob rooms.
EvilBadman: I wish deflected bolts changed color to like icy blue
averythetiger: Shields on troves are cheating pls stp
josh___something: Elite enemies in elysium are run killers
niccus: EZ
EvilBadman: Imagine if we took the exposed boon. ;)
EvilBadman: throw shield
secretbranch: can't spell chariot without cat
NotAFireDemon: Nemean lion, because they're Nemean Chariots
ContingentCat: katesLurk because cats are great
RocknGrohlNerd: cat kart?
wildpeaks: nimlotHunting
BrowneePoints: Nee-mee-uh
TehAmelie: nyanyan chariots?
Tom_Bruise: wait, hold on, and here I was thinking Magic was being original with Kaldheim's Cat Car
BrowneePoints: Greek has pure vowels
vellebastet: wheelerMulderce
iris_of_ether: Kippa
averythetiger: This is our ideal situation for this fight
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RocknGrohlNerd: cat car kaldheim limited all-star
secretbranch: the cat thing also implies all cats get to the highest level of hell
AlterForm: Lament could be good to speculate on going into styx
averythetiger: Rares are not limited all stars
BrowneePoints: Dio Athena and Aphro all have damage reduction abilities that are boring..but very strong
Roughly21Smurfs: I thought you were a baker there for a second. You know, with all that dough
kalku__: He's the best heel
MaillouxB: Did we unlock our fan yet?
Kyir: He's a bad friend
RIPConMan: Theseus is a heel
BrowneePoints: I don't hate him, I just love to crap on him
ArcOfTheConclave: Theseus is such a great heel
Kyir: I can't even support fictional bad friends
averythetiger: Asterius just deserves better
MostCallMe__Tim: starting a gun run, get cluster bomb straight away =)
Athelgar: hes so easy to dislike, thats why hes great
EvilBadman: Theseus is not the heel, the crowd is cheering him.
BrowneePoints: It also helps that Asterius is just very kind
Wicker_Guide: yeah I don't read him treating asterius the way he treats you
Relentless_Bread: Perfect heel
call_me_Aras: Dyonisys' dialogue is hard to remember because it's just one long slur
kalku__: it's true, he's a heal to the player, he's the audiences hero
KV1NN4: look forward to seeing him in this year's Autumnal Rumb;e
EvilBadman: Crosshair also darkens on throw
F1SHOR: do it for red shade benginHeart
NotAFireDemon: Yeah, the music gets so chunky in the boss fights that I can't really hear the audio cues
kalku__: Darren Korb is amazing
TehAmelie: i haven't seen any evidence he doesn't beleive the stuff he says about his sacred duty to kill you cause you're an evil hellspawn and stuff
Ukon_Cairns: well, lrrGREED is always good right, im pretty sure thats the lesson we learn from greek myths
Wicker_Guide: that is true though
Ukon_Cairns: wheelerHub
EvilBadman: @TehAmelie He's the champion and the crowd favourite. This is literally his job.
Eltratzo: theseus' voice actor did a short video a while ago where he said that a feeling of insecurity, a need to prove superior to his opponent, informed how he voied theseus.
averythetiger: If we take the "stage talk" interpretation, he STILL doesn't now when to turn it off.
secretbranch: full call too now btw
BrowneePoints: Also theseus previews a Hades mechanic there
EvilBadman: We're holding the call for phase 2
Wicker_Guide: he's not and doesn't want to be Zagreus' friend, sure, but that means little for his interactions with say Asterius
iris_of_ether: My husband absolutely loves the single shade in the audience rooting for Zag :3
josh___something: @tehamelie he does have a sidestory where the bros have a fight and at one point he doesn't even care about taunting you since they're having a fight
averythetiger: We're done here.
drcanonball: Why does he call the mc demon when they dont exist in greek myth?
BrowneePoints: he got you on on spear recall
secretbranch: nice!
NotAFireDemon: Pro tip: The cast ALWAYS takes longer to come out than you think it should
Tom_Bruise: start-up lag on the cast gets us every time
Bladinus: GG
Invitare: Supportive Shade
BrowneePoints: @drcanonball Daemons existed tho
EvilBadman: ^
vellebastet: yay! Our little buddy
EvilBadman: What Invitare
TotallyNotaBeholder: Red Shade best Shade
josh___something: red shade best shade
BrowneePoints: Shield is what I got my first successful run with
josh___something: I just call them 'buddy'
chesul: Styx
BrowneePoints: Temple of Styx
Saintnex: Temple of Styx
EvilBadman: ^
vrulg: Maybe Hades shade is one of those people who bets on the opposing side so they get something celebrate whether their guy wins or not.
Wicker_Guide: puppy zone
TotallyNotaBeholder: Shield was my first clear too, but it was mostly due to demeter cast
Wicker_Guide: where you vanquish worst guard
drcanonball: doggo zone
EvilBadman: The super fun poison house
silenceaux: Tartarus -> Asphodel -> Elysium -> Styx
josh___something: skelly tooth worth rn?
EvilBadman: I'd prob take a tooth or the acorn, yeah
Wicker_Guide: #AlwaysEgg
josh___something: patty's keepsake is choice for not dying to poison though
josh___something: but we don't have it here
EvilBadman: Tooth better bet I think, since the acorn will be depleted quick
josh___something: unless you get hit by te adds, acorn at lowest rank still absorbs more damage ghan tooth no?
josh___something: ~30 dmg per hit, 3 hits?
Wicker_Guide: tooth is easier to plan around though
EvilBadman: ^
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galak_c07: Yo
rainbowleotard: elo
galak_c07: Kappa
Wicker_Guide: hOI
josh___something: Yeah, it's ultimately down to player preference (+the tooth works in the rest of the level)
EvilBadman: I mean, you're gonna get hit, so do you want to feel bad when the acorn stops or get a rush of adrenaline on the last chance.
Hexi_Lexi: hey nerds! reminder that i love you all more than words can express!!!
Wicker_Guide: or feel like a badass when you phase 2 before acorn wears off gabySmart
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RandomTrivia: I have returned to a break... ok
josh___something: (actually, if you're on 5 hp and get hit for 40, the tooth teeechnically absorbs 35 dmg there
RandomTrivia: Did we leave hell yet?
josh___something: so, yeah, ultimately down to preference
averythetiger: Almost. Final act
Wicker_Guide: we are about to vanquish a puppy gabyWow
RandomTrivia: And is there deliberately no music?
josh___something: "vanquish"
RandomTrivia: Aha!
EvilBadman: @Wicker_Guide Yeah, but I don't think that's likely here.
pyrehand: evening
rainbowleotard: hi
josh___something: Hi!
Hexi_Lexi: hi cam! <3
RandomTrivia: Consider this a soft benginRaid
dizzle121: i stopped paying attention dang that scared me
EvilBadman: you'll make that gold back
josh___something: Tooth?
aesir_blade: Charon's mall
BrowneePoints: also wanna double check for death defieds
Saintnex: ugh poison
MostCallMe__Tim: I just got a legendary chaos boon!
Neddy471: How are we on Dad watch?
wildpeaks: best puppy
Wicker_Guide: doggo is worst guard :p
ContingentCat: he just wants beefy treats
xantos69: All puppers are good puppers
BrowneePoints: The Satyrs are defiling and blaspheming the gods
Tom_Bruise: Dogs'll eat anything if it's odorous enough
BrowneePoints: defiling the temple and blaspheming the gods*
rainbowleotard: dogs go whacko for schmackos
Wicker_Guide: satyrs are just generic impy troubkemakers in myth
EvilBadman: There needed to be a surface villain also
NotAFireDemon: Satyrs are just kinda vitriolic assholes generally in myth
Silver__Light: along side the infestation of rats
aesir_blade: Remember that the 300$ poms give you two levels
josh___something: Remember what serge said, all poms :p
aesir_blade: We can't get merciful end
Saintnex: It probably helps that Cerb is our pet, I feel like doggo would not be so willing to let others through
averythetiger: Both good
EvilBadman: urge. Flat dmg
aesir_blade: since you need athena atk or special for that
drdudeman: Blood frenzy though?
drdudeman: For when you inevitably die?
BrowneePoints: The Satyrs IN greek myth defiled temples and blasphemed the gods, so feeding Cerb a sack of Blasphemer Butts makes sense
aesir_blade: I'd hold out for the double pom
Transmuted_Elf: i remember satyrs being the reason several people ended up in the underworld(looking at hercules
EvilBadman: I'd hold. You get money per chamber too
Saintnex: Money first I think
josh___something: athena?
EvilBadman: tiny Verrrrmin
niccus: they don't look happy either
josh___something: elite rooms in styx are a mercy compared to poison HELL
EvilBadman: You can also stun lock 'em with the throw
wildpeaks: rats ? is this the beginning of an Elder Scrolls game
goombalax: their loogie
goombalax: is this cam's first time in styx?
EvilBadman: It took me forver to see it, but their model is two snake heads
averythetiger: I do appreciate the reversal of rats appearing on the LAST level.
drdudeman: they just chip away at you
drdudeman: its rough
EvilBadman: (or three snake heads one facing camera back
BrowneePoints: Yea, does daamge every .2s
Wicker_Guide: they chip fast
BrowneePoints: Snakestones
A_Dub888: Yeah their damage ramps up real quick
drdudeman: poison
BrowneePoints: dont' forget call
Spacepup: Remeber your captain shield. You probably could have tossed a shield and killed the last 2 or 3 enemies from the other side of the map.
Diabore: 1 not 0!
drdudeman: 1 is way better than none
Spacepup: Remember you have doom on your toss.
kainboa: 1 is all you need
josh___something: qnd now it's 34
Saintnex: well hopefully we are lucky and hit the sack room right now?
BrowneePoints: There's a 5s cd between uses
Spacepup: You were God Calling.
drdudeman: it seemed like you hit god gauge instead?
Saintnex: You hit the call button accidentally I think
cosarprime: The fountains are tricky.
F1SHOR: that's it serge stay positive
goombalax: I like Serge's confidence here
RobinTheRude: You did use it once, then it got reapplied immediately after, and sadly there is a cooldown between uses.
cosarprime: I feel you have to stand still next to them a bit to get them to actually work
meysam_sonic: worst play ever see
BrowneePoints: cmoooon satyr sack
josh___something: I honestly think that elites in styx are easier than the last rooms in styx because of the sheer amount of BS dots
drdudeman: Speaking of music is anyone else still on a sea shanty kick?
Neddy471: @cosarprime I find the entire poison mechanic to be controller-breaking.
CocoaMix86: What is the theme/purpose/shtick of "Talking Simulator", compared to a regular let's play?
josh___something: Sawblade... owww
josh___something: Duo is... meh
BrowneePoints: We want a Death Defied
Invitare: no that's Dio
BrowneePoints: but their duo is REALLY good
josh___something: DD
aesir_blade: DD on top
TehAmelie: hmm for the alternate healing scheme you'd have to calculate your odds of finding darkness at the same time you need it. i wonder how useful that works out really
EvilBadman: @CocoaMix86 More talking about narrative and game design/concepts
InkyGhoast: but death defy
BrowneePoints: bonus resto
elah806: So hey uhhh there's gonna be a heck of a Checkpoint story this week
josh___something: DDs heal more
josh___something: Duo suc
RIPConMan: no it's bad
TheLodgium: Their duo is not great
wildpeaks: everything looks good
drdudeman: Duo is good but DD is worth more
EvilBadman: @elah806 which one, lol
InkyGhoast: their duo is fine
Fruan: The duo isn't great
josh___something: it is reall bad
InkyGhoast: but death defy
Tom_Bruise: not as good as a DD anyhow
Jillexie: DD more inportant
Styxseus: Duo is good, but defy is better here
elah806: @EvilBadman a follow-up on Gamestop stonks
drdudeman: Is that 500gp Hermes worth?
Saintnex: I feel like Ares is the choice
meysam_sonic: hell ye
EvilBadman: @elah806 Oh yeah, was gonna say they did cover it last week, but this has been buckwild
aesir_blade: Is it uniformly random 2-5? I feel like i get a 2-sack a lot more than 1/4 of the time
Wicker_Guide: @cocoamix86 varies in intensity, but the idea in general is to treatcplay sessions like a book club, using the gameplay experie
RIPConMan: hermes boons are, like, all broken
EvilBadman: @aesir_blade true random never seems random
RIPConMan: movement is so good against hades
F1SHOR: hermes boons are risky there's a few good ones and lot of jank
StarlessAlbireo: Well of Charon could still give a DD
aesir_blade: at some point you have to update your priors tho
josh___something: Cam already has hyper sprint though
BrowneePoints: Of note, You can deflect those bombs back at them
Wicker_Guide: experience to discuss themes, what draws in users, etc
TehAmelie: like, half busted and half jank
elah806: @EvilBadman I'm very ambivalent about it because it is basically trolls directing their rage at the rich instead of women......but it is very funny
drdudeman: I love how supporting and upbeat Serge is being
boopcc: do youhave the hidden shield aspect yet
BrowneePoints: oooo death defied room?
Saintnex: here's hoping for another death defy?
RIPConMan: get the move speed
xantos69: Pushes up glasses so hard that brain damage occurs.
Wicker_Guide: new run @boopcc
Invitare: Getting Death Defies in the shop when you need them? What a novel idea!
wildpeaks: that's a lot of red circles
boopcc: ahhhhh hope its a good one
F1SHOR: OMG that clip name 😂
Saintnex: That was really unlucky
aesir_blade: good ol piss jugs
drdudeman: Have we beat the game yet on this account?
InkyGhoast: no
EvilBadman: Nope. This is first Styx
Saintnex: I wonder whose blood is in that vial?
EvilBadman: So we may unlock Grandma too
InkyGhoast: oh is that another store
drdudeman: blood frenzy
josh___something: @saintnex zags
drdudeman: we dont have doom right?
Styxseus: Mm, frenzy is nice
Diabore: frenzy
drdudeman: we plan on dying to hades
BrowneePoints: Blood Frenzy or Impending is good
goombalax: what a stingy blood frenxy
goombalax: give us the DD
aesir_blade: See what you can sell?
drdudeman: You could look
BrowneePoints: Blood Frenzy is pretty much a given on Hades though. At least on early runs
InkyGhoast: ah nope sell thing
aesir_blade: Maybe if we have some duos to sell we suddenly have enough to buy the titan blood
RobinTheRude: Blood Frenzy is likely to go off before Hades here, but if it doesn't, it's good.
EvilBadman: You have the "mobs drop food"
InkyGhoast: serge that affect founts too
EvilBadman: oh wait, nevermind I'm mixing that Aphro boon with Demeters
BrowneePoints: The fountain should heal enough
GhostValv: explain
Saintnex: money, then we can buy 3 lvls worth of poms
Styxseus: Money can also lead to DD, right?
RIPConMan: Yeah it's only health increase
BrowneePoints: Only heals. EvilBadman got mixed up
aesir_blade: Remember that the 300 poms are worth 2 lvls each
Butternades: Aw why can’t I have no kids and 3 money?
A_Dub888: !findquote actually
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16AngryBears: Awww... 100 Obolos. But I wanted a Pom.
InkyGhoast: oh whoops i might've mixed it up with another boon
RIPConMan: I don't have a lot of conversations with real people :)
gualdhar: Serge is correct, I know no real people
dizzle121: You dare imply I have conversations?
Lucidmooselid: Excuse me serge i belive you mistaken
Wicker_Guide would never do that irl >.>
FreshMathias: Man, I love the Shield. Really like the Zeus aspect
Roughly21Smurfs: Money can be exchanged for other money that is worth less than the previous money
saraizarai: I really really dislike the last area of Hades. I don't think it's good.
Diabore: ah new york
EvilBadman: i'm only correcting as this is an education program :kappa:
BrowneePoints: Isn't that ust real life
Nigouki: have you MET real people? they're not great!
F1SHOR: it feels good to deflect the poison
Shadowner: gyro sandwich
galak_c07: Actually your right but for the wrong reasons
Butternades: I didn’t realize this game took place at the old New York Mets stadium (they had a giant rat infestation)
Styxseus: Why *punch punch* wont *punch punch* you.. *punch punch*
Invitare: knock one enemy back and everything explodes into water
Saintnex: uhh maybe not the traps?
InkyGhoast: buy all the things
BrowneePoints: Wooow. They almost give you one death defied
RIPConMan: oh god the 5 sack NotLikeThis
Styxseus: Wow, 5 rooms huh
Saintnex: I did :P
vellebastet: sykLaugh sykLaugh sykLaugh
Butternades: Shame
Saintnex: thb I wasnt expecting this room to still NOT have the sack :p
aesir_blade: I really wish you didn't have to press a button to cure
aesir_blade: sucks a lot when you get no-regs
EvilBadman: At least we don't have the curse of seeing a gold urn when leaving the room
josh___something: we got 5 sacked?! ARE you kidding me?!
BrowneePoints: yea the poison sigils on the ground are SO BAD
josh___something: The 5 sack SUUUCKS
kainboa: poison always suck when it's being used against you
Wicker_Guide: max room max room max room
Styxseus: :D
FreshMathias: Always be shielding/shield throwing. More shield is more better?
EvilBadman: it's just stamped into their mange
FatherOfEntropy: Rat banks?
MaillouxB: Charon doesn't work for chairty, even if it's for animals
josh___something: He's not wrong
Saintnex: Im guessing they just have it in their stomachs? they just eat everything
BrowneePoints: It does
meysam_sonic: no change without df
BrowneePoints: I've done a SMIDGE of napkin math
aesir_blade: Dodge chance
Saintnex: additional dashes?
Wicker_Guide: ez nohit hades xp
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Kaorti: Dodge is good too
aesir_blade: or dash boost
EvilBadman: We already have the dodge I though
averythetiger: Ooo... we're still alive after I got dinner.
RIPConMan: the best hit on hermes is almost anything
BrowneePoints: Additional dashes, sturdy after dash or atk speed
Girl_Ephemeral: I think I like the poms here
Wicker_Guide: dash heal?
xTJPBQdfNHA7qUxeTd5Uy9gV: chance to dodge might help
Wicker_Guide: oooh, god guage auto
LurkerSpine: can poms get you death defied?
averythetiger: I see no reason not to take it.
I_Am_Clockwork: the dash heal can be pretty forgiving
RIPConMan: movement is so broken against hades
Styxseus: Extra dashes or sprint can save your life
Saintnex: faster special seems good with all of our doom
Fofo57007: delivery
aesir_blade: we have hyper sprint right?
Styxseus: Oof :D
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PaleGreySky: Rush Delivery is great
Girl_Ephemeral: How much bonus speed do we have?
josh___something: There's a lot of whiffs as well
Wicker_Guide: wooo -_-
TehAmelie: Hermes IS a god of gambling right?
RIPConMan: you have movement speed
AlterForm: hyper sprint + rush delivery, spicy right?
Diabore: special faster imo
Spacepup: Don't you have a move speed puff?
kalku__: you have bonus speed
averythetiger: But were the poms gonna do more?
Kaorti: Special speed here seems fine though?
TheLodgium: What, the special speed is great, and so is rush delivery. This is a good roll on hermes
kalku__: you have bonus speed from the well
Spacepup: Didn't you get a chiron item?
LurkerSpine: You bought straight up movement speed from a fountain, didn't you?
RIPConMan: rush delivery is insane
PaleGreySky: I just got here, which weapon is he running?
EvilBadman: you have 100% move speed after dash
josh___something: 100% extra
flashphage: +75% damage after every dash
flashphage: pretty good
Kaorti: that seems good
josh___something: But for .5 seconds
RIPConMan: this is my favorite combo in the game
kalku__: from foods also bonus speed
RIPConMan: half a second is longer than you think
Saintnex: or dash in to a second dash attack
PaleGreySky: oh, shield.
SaintAsterisk: hades is hard first time
FreshMathias: The shield blocks so much stuff when you're charging
StarlessAlbireo: Oh yeah, you have 20% movement speed from Charons Well, right? That's a lot
Fofo57007: those are Hades casts
InkyGhoast: first phase is summoning dudes, hitting you with skulls, and exploding skulls, and a spear swing
DragonMZ: Oh is this gonna be Camerons first clear?
Fofo57007: like your bloodstones are to other enemys
EvilBadman: This is a raid fight, Serge, tbh
SaintAsterisk: If you get hit by the skull, you get the status condition "Boiling Blood," and I think it doubles your damage taken
PaleGreySky: You can deflect them back, it looks like you have the deflect dash yeah?
karpma: serge for raid leader
the_one_and_only_kim: skull management, always important
niccus: that's just life, skull management
EvilBadman: @SaintAsterisk Yes, he said that
ifeelcreepyhere: I would say the concern is the spin, watch for a circle around hades, if you see it and your shield isn't up dash away/through him
SaintAsterisk: ah, good to know
ContingentCat: "skull management" is a great phrase
ifeelcreepyhere: use the shield to tank the laser beams is what I do
EvilBadman: there's two pillars to block them
GhostValv: skulls can be reflected too but the explosion will still happen
FreshMathias: If they hit you, they function like Zag's Cast, so Hades gets a damage bonus on you
josh___something: Shield
BrowneePoints: Mhmm. Fighting him around the pillars and doing circles the whole fight is always a good strat
AlterForm: ironically, laser strat can be "run at the lasers" Kappa
EvilBadman: Or you can HUG DAD, to avoid shield but that's risky
Transmuted_Elf: shield can block laser beams iirc
josh___something: You can also just shield the laser
averythetiger: And the first lazers are free damage if you dash behind.
kalira77: has cam fought hades before?
meysam_sonic: is there any chance to clear run ?
kalku__: you have shield so don't need pillars for lasers
EvilBadman: Oh right! The shield blocks lasers
Saintnex: Something I really love is the skulls debuff is boiling blood, which works exactly like the boiling blood ability from our mirror, its a really nice touch
markaci: Let's goooo
EvilBadman: Godspeed, Cameron
Fruan: Shield is so good for non-EM Hades.
wildpeaks: suddenly, Skyrim
TemporallyAwry: Oh cool "The Concept of Love" is now stuck in my head.
josh___something: You can do this cameron!!!
vellebastet: **** him up, Cam
I_Am_Clockwork: thats the POWER of love! *keyboard intesifies*
FreshMathias: @Saintnex It's super cool, right?
PaleGreySky: I love Hades' voice actor.
EvilBadman: Pfft, dashing behind lasers. Real zags hug dads
BrowneePoints: Also, we now have Demeter unlocked and her boons are GROSS
Butternades: I like Demeter a lot
PaleGreySky: I found Demeter kind of underwhelming, except for her call.
Saintnex: @FreshMathias Super cool, and I didnt notice it the first few times I fought Hades, but when I did, it was soo good
SodaTAddict: anyone have boon recommendations for the spear? struggling with making choices
EvilBadman: demeter is wonderful especially her synergies
BrowneePoints: @PaleGreySky Demeter is part of several extremely high damage builds
Styxseus: I had no spoilers for the Hades fight, and lpayed in hellmode, and the first time I reached phase 2 I was "It's really cool that he has kindof the same abilities as me! .... WAIT"
EvilBadman: @SodaTAddict Base spear?
FreshMathias: @Saintnex I kept wondering why there was a new effect around the screen
Fofo57007: go Cam go
SodaTAddict: @EvilBadman base or achilles atm
SaintAsterisk: Go Cam go!
aesir_blade: We have Athena dash so we have a few more iframes which is almsot better than the deflect part
Wicker_Guide: yeah there are two spin windups
Karfsma778: That spin hits in SUCH a big area
SaintAsterisk: he just said "big oof" and now i immediately love him
PaleGreySky: @BrowneePoints The only time I've seen Demeter give me real good damage was with the 10 stacks of chill exploding boon, which I've only even seen once.
PaleGreySky: The shield enemies are my literal least favorite thing about this entire game tbh
Styxseus: The lunge on the spin-attack is tricky too
KungFuKao: Her crystal spell can put out some sick numbers, esp. if you get the duo that fires a second beam, or the one that tracks.
ralfurystorm: the worst ones are the stones that give invincibility
silenceaux: This fight is so long you really don't want to hold extra God calls.
SaintAsterisk: @KungFuKao I prefer the one that tracks better in the Hades fight because he keeps running around
Saintnex: This has to be one of the unluckiest runs: a 5 room sack and shielded exalted
averythetiger: We're doingokay.
EvilBadman: One bug I hate is that bosses have to take an action before the immune to phase change
silenceaux: I think he tends to summon the same types on both phases.
josh___something: he spawns the same adds
KungFuKao: @SaintAsterisk No arguments here, tracking is the superior boon. :D
NimrodXIV: lol
PaleGreySky: I've gotten like 25 clears and Cameron is better at dodging Hades' spear twirl than I am LUL
Fofo57007: phase 2 lets go
EvilBadman: Wave attack inc
JDogg2K4: I love how the music ramps with each phase
Shadowner: soul jars
SodaTAddict: bonk, bonk, bonk, bonk...
SaintAsterisk: ouchie ouch
KungFuKao: RIP, gg
secretbranch: gg
Fofo57007: good run Cam! gg
FreshMathias: Great run, Cam!
wildpeaks: new PB
GhostValv: good run
meysam_sonic: gg
Mashamino: gg
xantos69: Impressive run.
Styxseus: Nice run!
InkyGhoast: goood run!
PaleGreySky: With no death defiances that was pretty fucking good tbh
Butternades: Gg
BrowneePoints: mhmm with even a single DD you would've downed him
engineerbudy: on my first hades i died before phase 2
Saintnex: so close, despite the game trying its best to eff you Cam!
josh___something: DANG, good attempt
Shadowner: and that spin is a LARGE area
kainboa: very good run
averythetiger: GREAT shot considering we didn't even have Ornstein and Smough on this file yet.
dizzle121: Damn impressive show Cam
Butternades: I remember serges reaction when he first got into phase two
josh___something: RNGed
niccus: how does hypnos feel about this
I_Am_Clockwork: very good salvaging that run, a lot of bad rolls added up to a nice attempt
BrowneePoints: Like seriously, with just a single Death Defied you totally would've had that
EvilBadman: Grandma will show up at the start of this run
EvilBadman: if you wanna just see her
silenceaux: Hypnos being gone is a little weird
BrowneePoints: Cerberus and hades have to take the long way back
Kaorti: Hades and Cerberus are still up top. You got home the fast way
averythetiger: Oh yeah. Hades first disappears because he had to chase you
Shadowner: no than no achiles, no orpheus...
Diabore: achilles seems gone too
F1SHOR: that's my only issue with this game that runs take so long you only usually get one or two when your watching 😂
TheMrFraser: i remember the first time i lost to Hades, Hypnos' book said that i was killed by redacted
Tom_Bruise: Imean, Hades has a super fast-travel available
josh___something: hades is always gone if you die to him
Silver__Light: yeah, you can check out his desk now
Saintnex: Hades at least has a fast travel I think?
Questhere: those damn redacteds always killing me
jonnykefka: wait, that's the first time you encountered Hades, right? OK. It is imperative, *imperative* that you start the next run, because I believe the first boon is guaranteed to be something you want to see
BrowneePoints: @Tom_Bruise It's implied Hades stays up there a bit and ruminates on your chats
TehAmelie: it's even more embarrassing. Hades has a helm of invisibility. . .
EvilBadman: @jonnykefka He's seen demeter before, this is a fresh save for the show (but you're correct)
Wicker_Guide: meet evilgrandma
SaintAsterisk: Has he given nectar to Skelly yet?
JDogg2K4: Downing Thesius is always good
F1SHOR: Demeter is miss understood not evil
Saintnex: oof
Shadowner: oh meg and zag have an interesting storyline
BrowneePoints: I'll tell you what, finding out her name is dem-eh-turr and not duh-meat-urr messed with me
Saintnex: I like the end of the meg and zag story end, with both sides making peace
KeytarCat: De-me-tre
KeytarCat: 'De-me-tre
I_Am_Clockwork: rail is 8? 9?
Shadowner: demeter cast is so good
Wicker_Guide: do you prefer manycast or consistentcast
EvilBadman: I run with the time cast
EvilBadman: Because Chaos loves giving me a second cast anyways
SaintAsterisk: What's the best keepsake in your opinion?
Shadowner: and the fists too
Wicker_Guide: I wil soften evilgrandma to angrygrandma
EvilBadman: It's pronounced "Demi Levato"
BrowneePoints: There isn't a single best keepsake
Duwani1: Hello greek Helen Mirren
josh___something: Beam memes!!!
averythetiger: All commons. THAT'S cold
Saintnex: Cam, lazer Grandma is the best nickname I have ever hear :D what a great name
I_Am_Clockwork: All hail Ice Mom
Invitare: meme beams!
vellebastet: Laser Grandmom is best grandmom
josh___something: Beam memes!
Kaorti: She's got great duos too
dizzle121: Wait, if it’s winter then why isn’t Persephone in Hades?
F1SHOR: I need the next episode of American god's to come out asap
AlterForm: Her percentage is ... close to? Equal to? Aprhodite
InkyGhoast: @dizzle121 game plot reasons
BrowneePoints: Demeter's stuff scales with rarity hard, and stacks with a BUNCH of stuff
averythetiger: dizzle121 that cycle establishes DURING this game
Shadowner: the entire demeter set is quite OP as far as chill progression goes
Styxseus: As a cool little thing on Hades having similar moves to you: If you charge the spin-attack with the spear and then dash at the end, you can do the same move that Hades does
averythetiger: There is no Spring yet
josh___something: demeter's atk buff is great, even if her special buff is the lowest
silenceaux: Also, chill is one of the best effects in the game imo
EvilBadman: @dizzle121 Persephone is missing
InkyGhoast: going deep on demeter is super great
BrowneePoints: Demeter has one of the best single god builds in the game
BrowneePoints: especially with fast weapons
F1SHOR: Demeters cast just wins games itself
EvilBadman: Demeter has a great vocal on her kill of Hades with her Legendary
Styxseus: I always almost go "Demeter is just really cool" and then I catch myself :P
xantos69: cheer50 Thanks for showing me more of this really interesting game.
EvilBadman: @AlterForm Aphro's boons at 10 and 20% higher than Demeter for attack and special
I_Am_Clockwork: Hades GOTY
F1SHOR: I gave it a break after the first 100 runs but I'm back into it now
EvilBadman: I took a two month break from Hades right at Desert Bus
EvilBadman: I have 140 ish runs now
Shadowner: heat challenge mode can make Hades even harder
EvilBadman: It doesn't help that the Switch was behind on patches and I need to Epilogue still
F1SHOR: I'm scared ATM since I'm on a 15 streak I don't want to lose it
Saintnex: Honestly I had the same problem as Cam, so I turned on God mode to keep the story moving and keep me interested
Shadowner: the 7m16s speed run
Wicker_Guide: aye
EvilBadman: Also, your first run is Sword + Athena start everytime
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EvilBadman: That speedrun rules
Styxseus: The 3 Weapons run, yeah?
EvilBadman: Aye
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Wicker_Guide: it's like high level fromsoft "dodge is all you need"
F1SHOR: I've been accidently speadrun building it seems cause I build the same 😂
EvilBadman: Also, God mode is such an elegant accessibility feature
Shadowner: Ares Cosplay
wildpeaks: that's a good motivation to workout
KeytarCat: Zagriodes
silenceaux: Zagrepodes
MostCallMe__Tim: Lmao, got killed after hades by not looking both ways when crossing street
iris_of_ether: Thanatos or bust?
niccus: a zig of zags
EvilBadman: "Zigs"
FatherOfEntropy: And also Viking Cosplays
Zath_: Zagrepodes
jonnykefka: now I'm actually kinda looking forward to the PAX East they're talking about having this summer
Saintnex: 50 Zagrei all shouting Blood and Darkness
Styxseus: That is basically what I expect once the real world opens up again
F1SHOR: I think it was tarmokat talking about doing it I'm hype
Questhere: a zig of zags
vellebastet: sykLaugh sykLaugh
I_Am_Clockwork: Zagums sounds more late persian?
vellebastet: Zagreces
Shadowner: Zagreus - > Zagrium ?
LordZarano: Zagropodes
EvilBadman: It was on highlights too
Alahmnat: it's in the highlights, hehe
SnowBuddy18: it made it to clips
silenceaux: It also feels like a weird allusion to Zagreus himself
iris_of_ether: I *had* to.
I_Am_Clockwork: not only does hades use it, but all his employees and children have learned it as well :p
aesir_blade: When you install the disco ball in the lounge, hades says "Blood and darkness, what have you /done/!?"
Shadowner: world record is 7 min 16 sec
F1SHOR: the little comments from Hades when you buy pointless upgrades are amazing
I_Am_Clockwork: it also says a lot about hade's self loathing that his curse of choice calls out darkness (his current "wife") and blood (his trade)
EvilBadman: Oh wow that's an interesting theory
Shadowner: oh chaos gate, yikes
I_Am_Clockwork: maybe because we've seen Outside Light
MostCallMe__Tim: I'm getting the SLEEP WITH MEG event rn
I_Am_Clockwork: we have seen sunlight, so now the artaficial colors of the underwold seem colder by contrast
wildpeaks: they're arm-less
Styxseus: :D
EvilBadman: god, now I'm going to go start a fresh save to see if the cooler hues is a thing.
Shadowner: controller i much harder to aim for certain boons
I_Am_Clockwork: my one complaint about this games controls is that the auto targeting for controller is kinda wonky at times
engineerbudy: DIo
Bladinus: looooong stick
silenceaux: Dio on attack is fine
AlterForm: stealing a line from a friend, long-range hades combat really wants to be a twin-stick shooter
EvilBadman: Yeah, you have to tweak auto-aim for controller
rainbowleotard: dio brando?
Shadowner: dio and zag have at least one Mythos where they are linked
Wicker_Guide: this game references it
EvilBadman: Everytime it blink it loses all debuffs too. :|
Saintnex: ah yes, the mythos of Zag and Dio being the exact same person :D
EvilBadman: Strong drink powerful this early
Saintnex: Strong Drink is soo good
EvilBadman: Especially the epic one
I_Am_Clockwork: strong drink is great early game
Wicker_Guide: free 20% damage by styx
Shadowner: also Hermes Side Hustle is so much value
Saintnex: The great thing is that it just gets better and better, and makes sure that you have full health after every boss fight/before Hades
Styxseus: At least 20% with the 5%, and even more if you find more fountains
EvilBadman: You got BIG range on spear attack now
I_Am_Clockwork: I like saving money through tartarus anyway
engineerbudy: I dont really use spin attack
Shadowner: Spear does have some amazing hammer upgrades as well
EvilBadman: You can dash to activate the spin attack after charging it, which is handy
I_Am_Clockwork: theres a hammer upgrade that eliminates the recovery on the spin and it makes it pretty good
I_Am_Clockwork: especially with the Hades form and the damage buff on the spin attack
Styxseus: I tend to either build specifically around spin-attack, or ignore it
Shadowner: demeter is MEAN
BigGayJulia: !uptime
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Wicker_Guide: brr duo boons lrrSPOOP
Invitare: oh Demeter's is the worst
EvilBadman: I think Demeter's "easier"
EvilBadman: since it's a single aoe
Bladinus: Demeter SUCKS to make mad.. :/
Shadowner: trippy shot is key
engineerbudy: but festive fog
Styxseus: Vintage is also nice to get early
Invitare: EvilBadman nah Demeter does two things: Little AOEs and her call out of nowehere
Invitare: oh wait no, it's just her call
Invitare: it's still a pain
Invitare: it sneaks up on you like that
Shadowner: grandma is scary
vellebastet: Thanks for streaming, Cam and Serge! lrrHEART
EvilBadman: all in on chill is fun. :D
EvilBadman: thanks for playing!
I_Am_Clockwork: I still want to run a Revenge build one day
I_Am_Clockwork: just all the revenge perks
AlterForm: see you in ... 60~100 hours then, haha
niccus: from us..?
DeM0nFiRe: o/ lrrHEART
Styxseus: What are they Nope'ing with this time around?
gundamschwing: Thanks Cam and Serge
spethycakes: Thank you for streaming, Serge and Cam!
Saintnex: Thanks Cam and Serge!
Styxseus: Goodbye~!
FatherOfEntropy: Bye
arcticspider_: bye friends!
AlterForm: o/
Gen2Gengar: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Let's Nope (Ben and Adam play horror games until they find the key that will bring them true happiness. Game: Misery Mansion) at Tue 05:00 PM PST (27m from now).
I_Am_Clockwork: thanks Serge and Cam!
Robot_Bones: Bye Doctor Nick!
DeM0nFiRe: I like the "bring them true happeness. Game: Misery Mansion"
silenceaux: It's a good tweet
Solipsody: I feel like Misery Mansion is just the generic setting of at least 50% of all Let's Nope games.
DeM0nFiRe: True lol
DeM0nFiRe: 50% misery mansion, 50% horrible hospital
Styxseus: "Scary Mansion/House/Hopsital, find keys, avoid scary thing" ?
jessieimproved: Find keys in the dark: The Game
Neddy471: At what point is a game Horror, and at what point is it a "Jump Scare Simulator"?
ContingentCat: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Let's Nope (Ben and Adam play horror games until they find the key that will bring them true happiness. Game: Misery Mansion) at Tue 05:00 PM PST (23m from now).
Styxseus: Maybe thats the true horror
Styxseus: "Everything is just this now"
DeM0nFiRe: Honestly I do feel like horror as a genre is a bit hard just because of that distinction. ANy game can just add jump scares right, that's not really genre defining. So how do you decide a game is "scary" for other reasons to make it a horror game
DeM0nFiRe: Usually it ends up being things like "well, you move really slow" or "You can't fight back" or "batteries are inexplicably useless in this universe"
DeM0nFiRe: (usually it's going to be setting, story, set design, enemy design etc. that actually defines a horror game, it's just that what counts as scary is gonna be different for everyone)
DeM0nFiRe: I guess the same can be said of like e.g. comedy. What counts as funny? Gonna be different to everyone. Maybe it's literally just if something is trying to be funny/scary it counts as comedy/horror
Styxseus: I guess it's more about the intent, and the fact that genres are kindof.. broad?
DeM0nFiRe: I guess also because like... as a genre of games there's not really a "comedy" genre or "romance" genre or whatever like there is for movies or tv shows. The fact that horror is considered a game genre is a bit unique. Even though "horror" is theoretically about the narrative content, in practice there are also gameplay elements generally associated with it, which makes it a bit difficult to nail down
Solipsody: I think it helps to differentiate between "genre" and what I think of as "mode". Horror as a genre is defined by aesthetics and tropes, whereas horror as a mode is defined by the desired effect (scaring or unsettling you).
Solipsody: A lot of games are in the horror genre, but an action or puzzle mode. Games actually in the horror mode frequently struggle for actual gameplay elements that are compatible.
jessieimproved: "Horror" is definitely defined by the narrative content, the fact that there are overused gameplay elements just means that developers didn't focus on gameplay
DeM0nFiRe: Well I think in practice there tends to not be much difference between those. There are some like "horror FPS" like FEAR or something that use Horror as a "genre" and FPS as the gameplay, but for the most part "Horror" describes the genre and the gameplay. Or at least they share enough of the same mechanical tropes that it muddies it
jessieimproved: I'm not saying they did a bad job on gameplay, it just wasn't top priority
jessieimproved: I think the one almost ubiquitous gameplay mechanic of horror is exploration
jessieimproved: Exploration is scary
Solipsody: Can be, certainly.
Greypelt: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Let's Nope (Ben and Adam play horror games until they find the key that will bring them true happiness. Game: Misery Mansion) at Tue 05:00 PM PST (12m from now).
DeM0nFiRe: I guess I don't think of exploration as being part of that group of tropes, though I do agree that it is very common as well
Styxseus: I think there are good examples of horror games where its both, like the act of playing the is itself tense and scary (something like that Photo game, project 0?), where the game itself evokes tension in some way