TXC2: Title change
RockPusher: !advice
LRRbot: Open the boat rock.
PixelArtDragon: !secret
LRRbot: That's my secret, I'm always in a constant state of chicken.
Jeezy56: much like LRRMans I will be caught between this and an actual race
RockPusher: !quote Ian
LRRbot: Quote #5558: "I lost my first jaw that way." —Ian [2018-12-01]
TXC2: Ian "many jaws" Horner
Jeezy56: everyone loses their baby jaw at some point, it's just whether your wisdom jaw comes in nicely or not
RockPusher: … and that is how I remembered I experienced the Beej Baby Eyes tweet O_o
TXC2: ah the Halcyon days of Beej being on Twitter Kappa
RockPusher: lrrDOTS lrrSIGNAL lrrARROW
PixelArtDragon: lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL lrrSIGNAL
LRRTwitter: @loadingreadyrun> It’s our last weekend for Project Cars 2 on Play it Forward. Ian’s got some new equipment, so can he remember how to drive stick after years of flappy paddle? Find out! http://twitch.tv/LoadingReadyRun 📷 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtAjHwfUYAACvt9.jpg || https://www.twitter.com/loadingreadyrun/status/1355622107405639688
PixelArtDragon: Ooh, shift stick
margieargie: Ohhhh, this should be intresting
TXC2: now the question is the stick shift a Standard H or a dog leg ?
RockPusher: Ian's gonna be grabbing his stick and wiggling it around on stream gabyLewd sergeMoly
PixelArtDragon: Does Ian drive stick normally?
PixelArtDragon: @RockPusher FootYellow
CAKHost: Hello, fellow chatters!
TXC2: hello CAKHost welcome
CAKHost: Hi @TXC2!
RockPusher: That poses and interesting question - will he put it on his left or his right
CAKHost: There's no music for others, correct?
Juliamon: Correct
CAKHost: Thanks!
Greypelt: lrrSPOOP lrrSPOOP lrrSPOOP lrrSPOOP
TXC2: indeed no music
TXC2: hello Juliamon
SnowBuddy18: @RockPusher I'm not sure if he's going to grab his stick with his left hand or his right hand
TXC2: why not both hands? Kappa
justajester: still going vroom vroom i see
PixelArtDragon: He could bend over and do it with his mouth if he's flexible enough
Texan_Reverend: Based on the going live tweet I'm going to assume he's leaving at on the left.
TXC2: I would have assumed it was right handed same as the US
RockPusher: His Mini is RHD
TehAmelie: oh hi stream
RockPusher: so on left is his normal
TXC2: hello TehAmelie welcome
TXC2: RockPusher fair point
LoadingReadyRun: Technical Difficulties. Stand by.
RockPusher: or should I say correct hand drive lrrBEEJ
TXC2: RockPusher indeed
SnowBuddy18: nah, that's wrong hand drive
RockPusher: Standing Difficulties, By Technical
TXC2: here we GO!
TehAmelie: but i thought i had always been here lrrSPOOP
PixelArtDragon: Time to RACE
TXC2: Hello Ian
TheAinMAP: Hello.
TehAmelie: hi Ian
PixelArtDragon: @TehAmelie I have always been here.
CAKHost: lrrHORN lrrIAN !
TXC2: Project cars 2!
Greypelt: Hey Ian! lrrSPOOP lrrSPOOP lrrSPOOP lrrSPOOP lrrSPOOP lrrDOTS lrrCIRCLE lrrARROW
LordZarano: Show us the stick!
TXC2: today's episode is sponsored by the letter H Kappa
Driosenth: Not a sequential shifter?
Texan_Reverend: It can be set to be a sequential shifter.
Texan_Reverend: Ian, your mic audio is a bit low.
Molladia: I thought the Music was a bit loud
RockPusher: the game likes blasting its dramatic music
CMDRNuffin: I was early, so I left the tab open and went to do something else and forgot about it, and then got VERY confused when my PC started making LRR noises
TehAmelie: i want to learn to play the cars
TXC2: Max headroom even
matthix590: uhh, should we be seeing gameplay?
TXC2: OSHA Slavin' ?
theodorwittwenmacher77: if this is Aschersleben its pronounced like Usher
Juliamon: Nothing like learning in the rain
CMDRNuffin: "Usher slay Ben" is probably close enough
theodorwittwenmacher77: oh no my bad this is with an O not an A
Saunabath: Oh Scheisse Leben
RockPusher: vrrrrrrooooooooommmmmm
RockPusher: A fun!
PixelArtDragon: So does this mean you can now skip gears if you wanted to?
margieargie: One (1) fun
Metric_Furlong: a suingluar fun
Metric_Furlong: *singular
TXC2: PixelArtDragon in theory yes
RockPusher: How many transmissions are we destroying today lrrBEEJ
SeiichiSin: Hello Ian, hope you are having a good day today.
TXC2: hello SeiichiSin welcome
Sarah_Serinde: Hullo friends
TXC2: Hello Sarah_Serinde
Molladia: Using a shifter is going to make LRRMans interesting when anybody else steps into the seat.
RockPusher: tqsHi Sarah_Serinde
SeiichiSin: All tires are wet in the rain.
TehAmelie: i want sliding gears to be a thing. picture two cones pointing in opposite directions, and a gearstick that moves a ball in between them
RockPusher: "My tires are wet" would be a good !secret
TehAmelie: maybe i have to draw a diagram
johnalogue: @tehamelie I can't understand it but I can imagine just enough to be interested
johnalogue: oh gosh I'm coming in from mobile and the connection is not good enough
LordZarano: TehAmelie Continuously Variable Transmission is a thing but quite rare
margieargie: Oh, loving the sound of the shfter getting picked up (I think)
RockPusher: CVT isn't that rare anymore
johnalogue: @lordzarano rare? CVTs are getting very popular in economy cars
johnalogue: DCT and more automatic gears surpassing them though
RockPusher: my old Honda had a CVT - the clutch was stuffed but the actual CVT was great
TXC2: are CVTs the ones that slowly expand out?
RockPusher: the performance was much nicer than my current Mazda
wildpeaks: difficulty level: Chat
johnalogue: I must reject CVTs so long as they have fake shifts
Saunabath: Isn't CVTs what is used in scooters?
SnowBuddy18: @johnalogue it's because it feels unnatural to not have shifts
johnalogue: oh crap you're describing an analog manual CVT that would be so awesome
Texan_Reverend: @txc2 yes
margieargie: *waves hands* Hey! Hey! Look over here! A distraction! <_<
TXC2: Texan_Reverend cool, thanks
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johnalogue: @snowbuddy18 its unnatural to be pushed 60mph by a brick of fire and metal
PixelArtDragon: In fairness, the lack of a tactile response might be a problem for some people
Thagnok: Does he switch side, based on the steering wheel of the car?
Thagnok: Also hello.
Driosenth: why would you want to control a CVT? Just have it tuned to match speed output shaft for optimal performance
TXC2: johnalogue that is the most metal way of describing a car :p
CAKHost: It's going to junka your funka and bam in your face?
RockPusher: mine didn't fake shift - you could hear it adjusting as you went about your drive
johnalogue: @txc2 and electric cars are lightning powered chariots
SnowBuddy18: @johnalogue we've grown accustomed to it and the shifting that comes with it
RockPusher: I miss it on the hills around here - no dropouts in power
PixelArtDragon: Just walk everywhere
johnalogue: Tesla is Thor's car built by Loki
Mushbie: @johnalogue the Zeus Mobile
LordZarano: @Driosenth so you can choose the balance of speed/torque you want ant any particular moment
Molladia: Considering those right tyres still aren't green should you pit for wet?
johnalogue: anyone else hear about the LiquidPiston rotary?
johnalogue: I'm slightly obsessed
Texan_Reverend: I am here for the extra labor and challenge I have foisted upon Ian.
johnalogue: wanna take that one again, Ian?
johnalogue: I'm audio-only
Mushbie: tires: pea wet
RockPusher: gabyLul
Sarah_Serinde: tiltyhPLS
johnalogue: but only in the UK
margieargie: Ian...
RockPusher: As Is Tradition!
johnalogue: in the EU it's fine
RockPusher: Safety Third!
TXC2: the UK: don't stick your finger in the middle Kappa
PixelArtDragon: Label: "Don't do the thing". Ian: "Imma do the thing."
Driosenth: The H-slot isn't plated off?
wildpeaks: when the warnings get too oddly specific, that's just asking people to try it
LordZarano: Soon all this discussion of manual/automatic/cvt gears will be obsolete. Electric motors do the whole range in 1 gear
Texan_Reverend: A new 3D printed plate make that a bit less sharp.
TXC2: specific warnings = a Law suit happened over this
johnalogue: @wildpeaks its probably because people already did
Saunabath: Once Ian has mastered changing gears in PC2 he can move onto Euro Truck Simulator 2
wildpeaks: definitely
TehAmelie: maybe this makes my idea clearer https://i.imgur.com/0HzAiZ8.png
Saunabath: And figure out high and low range
johnalogue: @lordzarano strong disagree, multiple ratios can still be helpful for EVs
johnalogue: @lordzarano porsche and Rimac used transmissions on one of their axles
Phyinx: @LordZarano Pretty sure the Porsche Taycan has two gears
RockPusher: Wall-chan! They can't keep us apart forever! jamieSmooch
Driosenth: @Saunabath I don't think he has the double or triple transition shifters that many of those trucks have
PixelArtDragon: @TehAmelie "For make car go smoother", nice
shadowxviii: Hello Live Ian
TXC2: hello shadowxviii welcome
johnalogue: just like a normal transmission it lets you use more of your power without actually needing more
Texan_Reverend: Adapters are available for this shifter to give it up to I think 18 gears.
TehAmelie: i didn't want to sound like i know anything about engines
Texan_Reverend: Specifically for the truck simulator games.
johnalogue: I've heard people say that on EV converted classic cars that the shifter is still useful to them
johnalogue: @tehamelie I want to sound like I know anything, so this arrangement works
RandomTrivia: Hi race friends!
TXC2: hello RandomTrivia welcome
RandomTrivia: Or should that be race "fiends"?
RandomTrivia: Little of column A, little of column B methinks
Molladia: Doing a lot better witht non-slicks
johnalogue: racequaintences
Saunabath: If the conversion is just replacing the engine, then the car likely still needs transmission
MrSVCD: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 29:47.
TXC2: Race compendés
Texan_Reverend: Ian, now you're just doing it intentionally knowing that some people are experiencing this as audio only.
RockPusher: TehAmelie did you have any knowledge of CVTs before this discussion?
TehAmelie: never heard the term
RandomTrivia: *arrives at stream* *internet immediately decides it wants to nap* DAMMIT
RandomTrivia: Did he just say "Avoid the Noid?"
RandomTrivia: LUL
johnalogue: @randomtrivia of course he did
SnowBuddy18: @RandomTrivia of course we want to nap, look at how the last year has gone
PixelArtDragon: I let go of my dreams years ago
johnalogue: @pixelartdragon relatable
TXC2: audio descriptive streams are the wave of the future Kappa
TXC2: you people had dreams to let go of?
LordZarano: Sure gears in an EV can be useful sometimes, but they aren't Required like they are for combustion engines. So most consumer EVs don't have them
margieargie: @Driosenth There are ways to set up range/splitter transmission in the Truck Simulator games with just a standard wheel and shifter, it's not 100% accurate of course but it gives something like it.
RockPusher: TehAmelie then I am impressed - replace the ball with a belt around the cones and you have what is my understanding of the basic CVT design - and I found it elegant but non-obvious so I'm impressed you arrived at it without existing knowledge
johnalogue: @lordzarano with how important power consumption/performance compromises are for range, I'd imagine they'll become more popular
Mangledpixel: boop
TXC2: hello Mangledpixel welcome
Mangledpixel: how goes the vroom vroom?
TehAmelie: a bit like that guy who lived in a cabin in the Black Forest and independently invented escalators in i think 1970
RockPusher: hehe
RockPusher: Just because a good idea already exists, you just don't know about it, doesn't make it less of a good idea
johnalogue: @tehamelie I thought of coaxial rotors drawing helicopters on cardboard when I was 5 or something
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TehAmelie: if you just happen upon the right light to look at things in, anything can become obvious
johnalogue: I just saw a really plain grey ford fusion with a big carbon fibre lip on the front irl
Texan_Reverend: tiltyhEXTREME tiltyhEXTREME tiltyhEXTREME
TehAmelie: sup Texas
PharaohBender27: Ahoy-hoy! How goes the driving?
johnalogue: @tehamelie having neurodivergences can help you see things others miss too
TXC2: hello PharaohBender27 welcome
TehAmelie: i like to think it's our job
SquareDotCube: I'm wondering if you need to add tension to the steering wheel to deal the overcorrections
Texan_Reverend: Hi @tehamelie
SnowBuddy18: it could also be someone who just likes the look of a plain grey Fusion with a big splitter
ButButTheJesus: hi folks. are we making the arrows happy?
SnowBuddy18: that depends which arrows
TXC2: hello ButButTheJesus welcome
Juliamon: Sometimes!
johnalogue: @snowbuddy18 it was actually almost elegant enough that it took a double take to realize it was a mod, fwiw
TehAmelie: the arrows is just the game's way of visualizing our character's incredible driving skill, right
SnowBuddy18: sub badges are also kind of arrows, and it seems Ian is making chat happy
TehAmelie: i meant the ground ones
SquareDotCube: looks like you need to turn the red ones yellow *before* you reach them
TehAmelie: we can see them cause our character knows exactly how it should be done, i assume
TXC2: the optimal line
niccus: it's the swerving suggestion
johnalogue: @niccus dammit that's good
SnowBuddy18: @TehAmelie we can see them because protagonist
ButButTheJesus: I've been following those arrows since Gran Turismo 5... I keep them on except on the Monza track, where I can moooostly get by without them
johnalogue: the real optimal line probably depends a lot more on your current speed, tire warmth, other racers, so it's just a suggestion
burnt_toast_live: wow big drive
CaptainSpam: Low on fuel, and low on time.
SeiichiSin: Eh, you don't need fuel to win a race.
SeiichiSin: Right?
PixelArtDragon: So what happens if we don't qualify for a race?
CaptainSpam: Technically, if you have enough momentum, you don't need fuel!
johnalogue: @pixelartdragon we go to prison
SnowBuddy18: @PixelArtDragon everyone qualifies
TXC2: PixelArtDragon we already have, "qualingfying" is for position
TehAmelie: if Good Omens taught me anything, if you just want it enough you don't even really need a car to win a race
margieargie: !findquote empty
LRRbot: Quote #3215: "Empty. Barren. Beej." —Cori [2016-08-12]
PharaohBender27: Oh dear
TheAinMAP: Welp.
SnowBuddy18: 0-2 ice cream bracket?
SnowBuddy18: read the track conditions at the top Ian
TXC2: Rain go brrrr
PixelArtDragon: We don't want soft, we don't want hard, we want a medium amount of crunch.
Branston567: what track we at today?
shadowxviii: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 44:00.
margieargie: Ah, the good old-fashioned race start traffic jam
johnalogue: alright, I'm gonna do some driving myself now (at much lower speeds), see y'all later
TXC2: so long johnalogue stay safe
RockPusher: The soundtrack to this race is "Love Is All Around" because it is Wet Wet Wet lrrBEEJ
CaptainSpam: Follow the leader, so you may learn the leader's routine, and then you may conquer the leader!
margieargie: You're definitely gettinig them good in the corners
SnowBuddy18: hold on, even though it seems
CaptainSpam: Quattro Bagina, playing aggressive, but it's working for them, having gained an alarming 14 positions from their disappointing qualifier!
Juliamon: Ian Horner: surprised that water is wet
margieargie: "God, it's wet" - Noah, ~3,000 BC
PharaohBender27: @Juliamon katesLol
TXC2: Ian "Aryton Senna" Horner
PixelArtDragon: So winning is just secondary to "how much can we get away with without the Race Director noticing"
SnowBuddy18: Ianton Senna or Aryton Senian?
Branston567: are we equating Ian to Noah? if so should we expect his children to find him passed out drunk naked in a tent?
CaptainSpam: Exemplary racing so far, Ian.
SnowBuddy18: @TXC2 Arian Senna
margieargie: @Branston567 No, that'd be me <_<
LordZarano: "Big push now" "pit maneuver you say?"
TXC2: SnowBuddy18 thats the one
SnowBuddy18: it took a few tries, but I got there
TehAmelie: i think building the ark comes first
CaptainSpam: Good recovery.
TehAmelie: if we're going by the classics
Branston567: isn't that a bit close to aryan race?
SnowBuddy18: @Branston567 shhhhhh
margieargie: Some light drizzle, as oppose to...?
CaptainSpam: Get thee behind me, 5th place!
TXC2: Light drizzle? so conditions will improve?
TXC2: boy it looks like we could aquaplane off this track now :p
CaptainSpam: Just keep focusing, you're doing great.
SnowBuddy18: I wonder if we'll get a podian at this race
margieargie: Reeling in those top three is looking tricky, but maybe...
TXC2: well if Ian keeps making PB lap times...
CaptainSpam: No one's gonna miss that corner, it can get cut right out.
margieargie: @CaptainSpam The race director's too fond of it, unfortunately
CaptainSpam: @margieargie Shhhhhhhh, we don't need to get the director involved... :p
CaptainSpam: You keep setting new best laps, keep it up...
SnowBuddy18: this is looking like a F1 race, Hamilton Bottas Verstapen out front, then everyone else a ways back
RockPusher: Rude!
CaptainSpam: The entire procession's right behind you. But, no pressure.
Branston567: @snowbuddy18 heres hoping we can at least add Perez to that mix thus season
CaptainSpam: One minute left in the third period...
RockPusher: Sneaks McGhee
SnowBuddy18: @Branston567 hopefully more than just Perez, but yes, hopefully at least Perez
margieargie: Ah, well, still a decent finish!
CaptainSpam: Well-played.
Branston567: @snowbuddy18 yeah, I'm a Mclaren fan boy so I'm holding out Hopeman Ric can do something
Saunabath: lrrHORN katesHype
RockPusher: Solid wet race with the shifter
TXC2: the PB got WAY better
SnowBuddy18: we started from the bottom, and now we're here
wildpeaks: woohoo
SnowBuddy18: wait a minute, we have all our team points
Saunabath: A full race in wet without a restart is really good job
SnowBuddy18: no it isn't
PharaohBender27: Is that spelled with a "z"
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PharaohBender27: ?
Saunabath: Zolder is in Belgium
wildpeaks: Ian has the zoomies
daleif: belgium
SnowBuddy18: check that flag again Ian
RockPusher: Zod-er or Zold-er lrrBEEJ
TXC2: or the word Belgium
PixelArtDragon: C'mon and zoom on zoom on zoom! zoom! zoom! zoom!
Driosenth: in fact, it says belgium
Jeezy56: oooh Zolder's fun
wildpeaks: oh god I modeled this kind of wind turbines
flufff42: Belgian roads on the other hand have a rather different reputation
Jeezy56: I find turn 2 is hard to judge but it's overall a fun track I think
wildpeaks: a break ? * gasp* what a twist
SnowBuddy18: good, I need to put more laundry in anyway
TXC2: !break
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TXC2: Right chat I'm off
Jeezy56: damn Daytona 24h dividing my attention
TXC2: Goodnight Everybody, and thanks for streaming Ian
Jeezy56: of course it's a break here and yellow at Daytona at he same time
Juliamon: G'night TXC2
PharaohBender27: Goodnight, @TXC2 !
TehAmelie: apropos nothing but cars, remember Mario Cars 2 64?
Juliamon: Hell of a game, that was
RedPhoenixCasts: oh... Im missing race cars with ian
RedPhoenixCasts: How much did i miss?
margieargie: One qualifying (22nd) and race (7th)
TehAmelie: not sure why i thought of that just now. maybe i just never really stopped
RedPhoenixCasts: ah
PharaohBender27: We've finished Oschersleben and are now going to Zolder
Micsig: He has a stick shift now also
RedPhoenixCasts: what track?
Jeezy56: does he use it in H-pattern or sequential? I missed that part
TheAinMAP: katesAir
RedPhoenixCasts: ah
RedPhoenixCasts: I dont know this so good luck, ill be lurking
margieargie: !sir
LRRbot: Sir? Sir! This is a Boy Scout jamboree.
VmKid: um
PixelArtDragon: Ghost pit crew, ghost pit cars
SnowBuddy18: @TehAmelie if you think of something later, you never really stopped, just paused. there are things you've thought of that you have stopped thinking about, but you'll never know them because if you think of it again you've unpaused
Texan_Reverend: Yay for a dry track once more!
johnalogue: I am returned, now with a real internet connection!
Bobtheninjagoldfish: HELLO RACE FRANDS
SnowBuddy18: that was an interesting moment
Jeezy56: many swoops and a couple of tight chicanes, the first one you can kinda jump a bit
PixelArtDragon: Ooh, the wind turbines are nice
Jeezy56: oh right, yeah braking for the second chicane is tough while you're still slightly turning
Texan_Reverend: The fire TV speech to text won't write "huzzah"
neacon: he didnt even use a turn signal...
PixelArtDragon: But will it recognize Qapla'?
margieargie: Not in the sun, it's a Fire, not a Thermonuclear Plasma :p
KeytarCat: that looked really clean
Bobtheninjagoldfish: how are the egmelts today, Ian?
johnalogue: @Texan_Reverend speech and digital assistant tech is terrible and the sooner we accept it the better
ehsteveG: Wheeeeee
margieargie: THAT was fun
johnalogue: I haven't had lunch yet, I could use an egmelt...
Texan_Reverend: Yeah instead it writes "has a"
Jeezy56: the first Project Cars had a 3 hour race here in a McLaren F1 (the road car) which was both fun and nerve-wracking
SnowBuddy18: why would they penalize you for that during practice? it was safe enough
SpidersBeyondMeasure: hello
Bobtheninjagoldfish: oh! are we on the new Hardware?
NotCainNorAbel: they have that, it is called driving :)
margieargie: Now this is pod racing!
KeytarCat: Almost got the 360!
johnalogue: TRY SPINNING
johnalogue: oops caps
johnalogue: That's a nice trick
KeytarCat: Do a barrel roll!
Bobtheninjagoldfish: Jake Lloyd
TheMandrew: poor Jake got the short end of the stick
PixelArtDragon: Do an aileron roll!
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ClockGear: Hey Ian, how are you doing?
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margieargie: Do an Immelmann turn! (either one, your choice)
johnalogue: I loved the video where Darth Vader had his voice though
PixelArtDragon: Do a sourdough roll!
Bobtheninjagoldfish: Favrotie roll? a nice Crusty wite roll, fr the eat of with my pasta.
SpidersBeyondMeasure: do a scandinavian flick
johnalogue: (but yeah I have From the Depths on my other screen and it uses Caps as a control, so I have to watch that)
PixelArtDragon: Well, right left right
margieargie: My favorite roll is a sweetroll... just carrying one down the street, hopefully no bullies will show up and try to take it from me
PixelArtDragon: This track has character
Territan: I just got here. Which track is he on now??
Jeezy56: Zolder
johnalogue: @margieargie Why would anyone steal your sweetroll? That would violate the law!
Jeezy56: I always find T2 really hard to judge
Territan: Ooh, corkscrew!
Territan: That is some serious chicanery, yeah.
SnowBuddy18: what if off duty guards are the ones stealing sweetrolls, and that's how the on duty guards always know it's happening?
Saunabath: Wow that part really lifts the car
johnalogue: @SnowBuddy18 Come on, would armed law enforcement officers really act like petty bandits?
PixelArtDragon: The nice part of all these parts of the track is it will feel really good to do it all correctly
Territan: Has Ian ever done the Nurburgring?
SnowBuddy18: @johnalogue they get to show there's more crime so they get a bigger budget
SnowBuddy18: I enjoy the pit lane
mr_yarget: oh hey, money shift!
fafa199: nooooooo
margieargie: Definitely time to experience the pit lane now...
fafa199: join in the second you take that turn and slam into the wall
Bobtheninjagoldfish starts warming up the egmelt
Jeezy56: this track really makes you practice feathering the throttle
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Territan: That thing got extra-wiggly.
SnowBuddy18: hi off screen friend
johnalogue: it isn't actually possible to melt an egg afaik, once they're solid they usually stay that way
margieargie: @johnalogue I'm sure you can with enough heat
Juliamon: With a high enough temperature, anything will melt
PixelArtDragon: Now I'm hungry for shakshouka
margieargie: Probably not good for the stove or pan, but...
Territan: Has anyone mocked up a proper "egmelt" sign yet?
Jeezy56: aren't there a few things that go straight from solid to gas?
Saunabath: If we make adjustments to the car we can call the stream Tinker Tailor Zolder Drive
maxthefourth: !next
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johnalogue: @Juliamon I think in a vacuum it wouldn't burn, but it would sublimate into a gas
johnalogue: that's how plastics can actually be used as a fuel without producing horrible smoke
margieargie: How about a pure nitrogen atmosphere?
FrozenNitrogen: A protein would likely denature first, and maybe even fall appart I'd think
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Territan: The magic egg smoke (the pyrolytics) escape.
Texan_Reverend: Ian, once again I suggest using stream labs merch to cell shirts for that kind of thing.
Texan_Reverend: *sell
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Juliamon: I feel there's enough of a fanbase for this game that you could make decent bank on an egmelt meme shirt
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johnalogue: @niccus has science gone too far?
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LordZarano: An eggomelt sub sounds delicious
johnalogue: I kid, when science actually goes too far will be when they can unboil an egg and then make it into a chick
SnowBuddy18: @LordZarano egmelt with eggos for bread
Jeezy56: the ding means your Egmelt is done, right?
CaptainSpam: Did we ever figure out what egmelt does?
RockPusher: Melt Eggs?
RedPhoenixCasts: Sideways?
Bobtheninjagoldfish: @CaptainSpam something to do with Wax I think
RedPhoenixCasts: UM
CaptainSpam: @Bobtheninjagoldfish Sure, I'll go with that.
Tiger_Paladin: DAMN
RedPhoenixCasts: I dont think that guy is gonna be happy with that
mr_yarget: textbook pit maneuver, sir.
Tiger_Paladin: That was cold!
Juliamon: The closest IRL match to "egmelt" was "EG Melts wax melts"
Bobtheninjagoldfish: see. like I said Wax
Texan_Reverend: It was a mustang driver is enough of a reason.
TehAmelie: EG is the Electricity General right
CaptainSpam: Sure, but here it's styled as "Egmelt", as one word. That's where I'm getting a bit confused.
Bobtheninjagoldfish: Hello Sir, back again so soon. Egmelt to go?
RockPusher: The repairs by our friendly wizards and ghosts
isKPan: every mustang taken down is one crowd saved
Juliamon: ("Egmelt" is a fictitious company made for the game)
margieargie: Stop it! The pit wizards only have so much mana!
Jeezy56: ficticious but delicious!
Bobtheninjagoldfish: STEAL THEIR MELT
PixelArtDragon: Ghost egmelts!
johnalogue: I'm hoping for a Hyundai Genesis Coupe someday...the Korean Mustang!
TehAmelie: can't believe you didn't hit that guy on your left
CAKHost: Maybe the glaring guy is the director?
mr_yarget: his egmelt was done.
Juliamon: !addquote (Ian) [now] Wow! Nice changeover, no one died!
LRRbot: New quote #7482: "Wow! Nice changeover, no one died!" —Ian [2021-01-30]
Juliamon: I don't know why that tickled me so much
CAKHost: I think it was the tone
TehAmelie: the expression "pit stop" comes from the tradition of sending people into the pit
GerrardUK: Do you have to double de-clutch in it?
KevinTheShark: Thats most cars in europe Ian, not just classic Mini's :D
johnalogue: I've practiced manual driving a bit but I'm a fake fan who drives auto
Texan_Reverend: That was an amazing description that actually had me laughing out loud.
Saunabath: I drove an UAZ jeep in the army. that was a very similar experience
AI_coder: I love my manual and I have quite a fast car irl, but I don;t have any distance indicators, sucks while reversing, for example
GerrardUK: I've driven military Land Rover Defenders (WOLF), and they are just terrible
ritchards: Hey Ian, how goes the offroad driving? ;)
RedPhoenixCasts: ian the mad lad, Aero damage? smh
ritchards: Woo!
KevinTheShark: Mini gears arent so much a certainty as a suggestion, and they are most certainly not a binary system, they are very much an analogue systen
Driosenth: I don't think you have a room on the center console for the SiriusXM deck
Jeezy56: one of the cars in the Daytona 24h just got pinged by Race Control for "spraying with hot smell"
VmKid: But Ian, I need to actually drive my car
mr_yarget: Spraying hot smell? Thats a paddling.
KevinTheShark: Certainly a long term plan
Juliamon: The trick to getting free music is to forego it for 6 months?
johnalogue: I'd rather just never have satellite radio to deal with tbh
SnowBuddy18: it's neat that that works
Mysticman89: You'd expect the signle would basically stayed in queue waiting to successfully send
PixelArtDragon: Spray hot smell and lie
Texan_Reverend: Back in the pre merger days I managed to get a lifetime activation for my Sirius radio and have just been moving the head unit to new cars ever since.
VmKid: Just be like me and only ever listen to podcasts and my local NPR station
johnalogue: remove one thing from my interface and mail
SnowBuddy18: @Mysticman89 basically, it's not looking for a return signal, so it assumes you got it
VmKid: Which reminds me, I got a class action settlement from SiriusXM which I am still yet to cash
VmKid: Because they cold-called me without my permission and as it turns out, that's a no-no
Mysticman89: fair, but like, perhaps for subscription stuff it should be looking for a return confirmation.
SnowBuddy18: it definitely should be
PixelArtDragon: Maybe you could create per-decive encryptions that need to be received periodically, and if something was unsubscribed you stop sending out those keys
Jeezy56: is it worth turning the traction control up for this track? I know it would mean less drifting
Juliamon: "I sent you my subscription cancel signal, please reply"
CaptainSpam: Satellites just blast out data. It doesn't care who receives it. Same goes for GPS and TV.
CaptainSpam: Or in other words, it's entirely client-side protection.
johnalogue: I'd rather hack it out and just have AM/FM. No subs there!
SnowBuddy18: Ian, when are we going to pit to fix our engine?
RockPusher: Eh - you could cycle through historic ones over time - might take a while but eventually you hit the missing ones
TehAmelie: i never even heard of a subscription radio channel. is that new?
VmKid: They've been around for quite a while
VmKid: Most new cars come with it
Juliamon: AM/FM has less dropout than Sirius in my experience. Sirius can't handle going under an overpass.
VmKid: They're satellite radio, not AM or FM though
PixelArtDragon: One of the most fascinating things about GPS was how civilian devices were required to be inaccurate until during the Gulf War soldiers ended up having civilian devices and it was a problem
Driosenth: It wouldn't be that hard to permanently implement, have a hidden channel that constantly broadcast the allowed decks keys. Have the deck check to see if its key is on that channel. There are 35m sirius subscribers. It all depends on the bandwidth per channel and how long they are willing to have each cycle of key transmittion to take
CaptainSpam: Sirius/XM have been around for... like a decade or so? But I guess if you either don't get new cars or just plain don't care THAT much about non-terrestrial radio, it's very very likely it slipped by you.
Saunabath: Yeah and ABS works pretty much the same in games
SnowBuddy18: @Driosenth that's how many subscribers where are, but how many devices are there that can run Sirius?
CaptainSpam: And I'm quite serious, it's very likely you just might not care about satellite radio if you're used to, say, your own podcasts or have good local stations.
KevinTheShark: I feel like you and Jeremy Clarkson would gget on very well regarding cars
johnalogue: Thrust vectoring is different
VmKid: Car still carring
TehAmelie: new cars, no. my stepdad never paid more than like 300 dollars for a car. . .
johnalogue: @KevinTheShark James May, maybe. Clarkson, no
CaptainSpam: There's standalone Sirius units, but naaaaaaaah.
Texan_Reverend: I think that was meant in the more power kind of sense that's all.
KevinTheShark: It would be interesting to say the least
NamesAreSilly: Maybe not with the man himself, but in regards to car preference? Maybe.
mr_yarget: James May is a treasure of a man.
mr_yarget: You are too, Ian.
RockPusher: Worth pointing out for the SIrius discussion - it is a North American thing
mr_yarget: Fund it.
johnalogue: Roadquest can be the next gen Grand Tour, I'll call Bezos
Saunabath: Oh yeah, May is great
NotCainNorAbel: May and Ian in a classic mini lrrAWESOME
KevinTheShark: No offence intended of course. I simply know that Clarkson would prefer a car that doesnt limit its speed for traction control
KeytarCat: NB driving?
TehAmelie: those windmills make me think, can you set up a zero-emission kind of race in this game? where everyone has to run on solar or whatever they can think of
KeytarCat: Oh, variable gas, that makes sense
johnalogue: Personally I currently use Spotify via Android Auto in my car, but I'm considering switching back to local media since spotify patented some creepy stuff
mr_yarget: I paid for all of the throttle, I'm going to use it all.
SnowBuddy18: @TehAmelie half the field goes solar, the race is rainy
DarkMorford: Ah, so kart racing, gotcha. Pedal to the metal, and what are brakes?
CaptainSpam: I've just got Podcast Addict on Android Auto. Which is nice.
margieargie: @SnowBuddy18 Then just put a hydroelectric generator on the car, easy right? Kappa
RockPusher: I have a flash drive full of music in the car and really don't see me ever moving off that system
SohNata: Just dropping in to say thanks for these Ian, I've had to watch on VOD (it's like 11PM), hope the last races go well...and Viva la Egmelt!
PixelArtDragon: I don't podcast much, what's Spotify's problem with them?
RockPusher: Oops
CaptainSpam: I've got a Jellyfin server set up with my music on it, but Jellyfin's Android app needs a wee bit of work there.
RockPusher: Wet Wet Wet
NamesAreSilly: That sounded wet
johnalogue: I have the PowerAmp music player on my phone and it works with Auto. Very good music player!
margieargie: Well.
Hexi_Lexi: hey LRR fans and Ian!!! hope yall are doing well <3
nalha: half second already passed
Texan_Reverend: At least since I wasn't there at the glass didn't break.
Mangledpixel: hot mic
PharaohBender27: It just me, or is lrrIAN the crewmember most likely to spill water on stream?
Hexi_Lexi: mic 5!!!
PixelArtDragon: Mic5
RockPusher: Hot mics are always in Ian's area
Juliamon: He's the most-likely for a lot of things
Hexi_Lexi: Ian is most likely to be most likely :P
Juliamon: spillage, hot mic, forgetting to switch cameras, forgetting to unmute cameras they switch to...
DarkMorford: @CaptainSpam How are you liking Jellyfin in general? I've looked into a few of the free Plex alternatives and none of them seemed to have glowing reviews.
nalha: he's also a lot least likely
Juliamon: getting the VODs muted for humming music...
SnowBuddy18: my dad just texted me that he's thinking of trading in his Ford Fusion, and when I asked why, the response was "Because Porsche"
DarkMorford: Either the software itself was bad or there was a bunch of politic-ing among the dev team.
TehAmelie: not really this game's field i guess. but there should be a game about building and racing eco cars
nalha: "because porsche" is always a great argument
johnalogue: never heard of Jellyfin, looking that up
KeytarCat: Audible Podcast ad, as if we weren't just talking about how bad an idea that was
SnowBuddy18: @nalha yes, but this is a Porsche SUV
johnalogue: @SnowBuddy18 crime detected
CaptainSpam: @DarkMorford For music it's good, from the web interface. Their Android app, however, suffers a bit from design expectations which don't necessarily hold true. But all in all, I like it as a remote bucket of music.
nalha: @SnowBuddy18 eh, still works
TehAmelie: "how many square meters of solar cells can you pack on your car before it starts going slower?" and other such technical challenges
TwitchTVsFrank: @snowbuddy18 ah so an expensive vw with a fancy bumper
CaptainSpam: @DarkMorford For anything else (video, etc), I can't say, as I haven't used it for that. Though it does seem like most of their dev efforts are focused on video, so hopefully it's all right?
johnalogue: @TehAmelie solar panels are overrated anyways
VmKid: Speaking of which, does anyone have a good replacement for Google Play Music?
SnowBuddy18: @johnalogue that was my thinking
VmKid: YouTube Music is a pile
SnowBuddy18: @TwitchTVsFrank basically
johnalogue: BEV + Nuke
nalha: spotify?
CaptainSpam: @VmKid That's basically what I've been hoping to use Jellyfin for. :-) Though that's me setting up my own instance of it. Not sure if that helps you out.
MortifiedPenguins: other standard music streaming services like spotify or are you looking for something else?
DarkMorford: @CaptainSpam Ah, gotcha. I'm mostly looking for something to serve up movies and TV shows to my laptop or a console, but good to know it's been overall positive for you.
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nalha: longest pit stop ever
Hexi_Lexi: "the wet has been dealt with" Ian Horner (2021)
johnalogue: PowerAmp is a good music player for Android I find, it's paid but better than searching "Mp3 player free" on Google Play, so...
CaptainSpam: @DarkMorford I'd say it's worth a shot to mess with if you've got a server to serve it up, at the very least.
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VmKid: @johnalogue I have a bunch of Google Opinion Rewards money burning a hole in my digital pocket so paid is no problem
TemporallyAwry: Echoing johnalogue on PowerAmp - better settings and features than any of them I've used.
VmKid: See also: Stitcher, which does a lot of the same nonsense.
Max_Mckayful: Also seems to make podcasts harder to download?
nalha: but what about the shareholders?
johnalogue: I'm very close to ditching Spotify for getting creepy with "AI suggestion" tech and surveilance patents
VmKid: I'm reminded of the time when I was listening to an NPR podcast and it served me an ad for *the very company I worked for* at the time.
MortifiedPenguins: Spotify's music quality sucks as well
RockPusher: If it isn't an audio file I can download with the automation for that being RSS then you are not a podcast
johnalogue: I just need to buy the music I've found on Spotify
nalha: spotify quality is decent if you mess with the settings, the defaults are awful
offbeatwitch: yeah i mean the reason big companies are trying to lock down podcasting is not for the benefit of podcasts but for the benefit of companies and their shareholders
CaptainSpam: Yeah, any podcasts I've got are accessible via RSS, and I'd rather not do goofy things otherwise.
johnalogue: "RSS" is a weird thing I barely remember from years ago
johnalogue: fight the google!
TemporallyAwry: I'm still kinda shocked how a lot of older-professionals need trained to not call Internet Hosted Video "YouTubes"
RockPusher: then again, my idea of my media centre software is I play the file on the fileshare - so old man shouts at cloud
nalha: its funny how much random stuff email is being used for
RealGamerCow: Hello everyone. New wheel today? I see shifting
LuveenW: weirdly enough, Google Podcasts is a surprisingly good app and pulls none of the shenanigans that Spotify is engaging in
Molladia: an hour and a half work call later I'm back, Did Ian set a good time on the other track?
saberpilot: so is RSS your digital newtype friend?
nalha: we use emails a lot at work to transfer information between companies
RockPusher: !quote 6629
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johnalogue: time to buy a lot of music and figure out how RSS can fix my life now
Mangledpixel: I remember being able to get my YouTube feed as RSS, don't know if that's still available
RockPusher: Applicable to both Ian and I
AHayes31: Surprised you are not doing a Rolex 24 Hours at Daytona race
johnalogue: It's like browser vs. app, browsers have the motive to serve the user while the app puts the website in full control of your experience
CaptainSpam: We just do Le Mans for our 24 hour races. :-)
TehAmelie: i can see the appeal of RSS but i always liked wandering around websites more
offbeatwitch: RSS could do with some better "push"-style communication
nalha: its probably not very hard to create a youtube RSS feed with a web crawler or some API
offbeatwitch: since right now you just have to poll things
Mangledpixel: nalha yeh, but it used to be a service that YouTube itself provided
DarkMorford: I'm still trying to find a good desktop RSS app. I used to use one called FeedDemon but the developer stopped working on it a few years ago.
Mangledpixel: that may have been before Google bought YouTube, now that I come to think of it
Hexi_Lexi: Ian, i have once semi-jokingly described you to a friend as "the living embodiment of my boujee linguistics podcasts"
johnalogue: I mean if y'all like forgotten tech I have a Pebble 2 e-ink smartwatch. Wouldn't trade it for a new samsung OLED thingy.
nalha: you mean like reddit? :P
RockPusher: change channel id as needed
Mangledpixel: RockPusher ah, but can I get my 'Subscriptions' feed that way? That's what I used to have
CaptainSpam: There's reasons I'm writing a JavaScript webpage widget for my Mastodon feed...
RockPusher: Mangledpixel no idea - I don't use YouTube with an account :D
PixelArtDragon: Th #1 thing you can do to improve your Twitter experience is to stop using Twitter's "top tweets"
Mangledpixel: RockPusher fair enough
johnalogue: people who take the effort to manage their own content motivate the "easy" options to be less blatantly evil
PharaohBender27: i.e. most social media networks
DarkMorford: The rare times I need to Twitter I just use TweetDeck.
MortifiedPenguins: another thing that improves twitter is using anything but twitter to access it
TemporallyAwry: "If something is free, it's because you're the product"
LuveenW: @offbeatwitch RSS is just a standard for syndicating web content. Apps that subscribe to the RSS feeds can notify users when new content is made available said feeds. There are plenty of apps that do that, e.g. the erstwhile Google Reader or podcast apps like Player FM
texasman208: Chat: ruiner of BPs
texasman208: PB
nalha: you need the chat projected on your windscreen
offbeatwitch: yes, i know how it works
KeytarCat: I adore when Ian talks about freedom of use and the like
VmKid: I technically use TweetDeck, through an app called Tweeten.
VmKid: It tweaks a bunch of things to make TweetDeck better.
RockPusher: Let's build an OS into a browser on top of an OS
RockPusher: wait wat?
RockPusher: jlrrFacepalm
offbeatwitch: the point is that those services are "polling" the endpoints - which is fine, but i'm curious if I could design an extension that lets the feeds "push" to consumers better
johnalogue: I don't mind accessing most things through the browser, it's when everything is an app that completely controls the UX against you that I hate
LuveenW: Ian that's all of why I will never sign up for Adobe Creative Cloud and continue using the desktop versions of their software
johnalogue: and most apps are just browsers inside anyways!
Texan_Reverend: Ian, how are you finding the throw distance on the shifter?
nalha: @RockPusher that exists
offbeatwitch: nowadays anyway
VmKid: As much as I love Discord, it is basically a webpage in an app.
TehAmelie: unless you use the web version :3
MortifiedPenguins: is just chrome, you can access the dev tools really easyily
RockPusher: nalha it's called all modern browsers now, because Google and their bad ideas
Molladia: @VmKid why are you using Discord via a browser instead of downloading it?
KevinTheShark: Im still bitter about what adobe did to flash
johnalogue: Flash was a terrible platform with great content AFAIK
VmKid: I'm using the Desktop version, Molladia.
VmKid: It's just that Electron is basically a browser that runs a single webpage
MortifiedPenguins: having used flash it's a cursed tool that just happened to produce some good stuff
rocketjohn: The desktop version is still basically a one-site webbrowser
johnalogue: the problem is anyone doing the equivalent of Flash game development now is going to make a mobile game or a Steam indie title
rocketjohn: same with slack
Molladia: VMKid sorry, musinderstood
nalha: shared libraries? in js? lol
KevinTheShark: thats fair @johnalogue I appreciated how accessible it was for content creators, which was limited by adove
RockPusher: I'll use the web apps in the browser since the browsers have reasonable sandboxing - Electron apps, not so much
johnalogue: Chrome isn't even the best Chromium browser anymore!
MortifiedPenguins: unity is basically the new flash
rocketjohn: JS can do everything, and definitely shouldn't
LuveenW: in Slack and Discord's defense, the web versions tend to be less usable experiences than the desktop ones. At least imho
CaptainSpam: Coding in Flash was sort of a nightmare when I had to do it...
VmKid: But everyone has 32gb of RAM nowadays, right? Kappa
PixelArtDragon: If you think about it, Flash is a really interesting microcosm of the problems with anticompetitive practices in the tech industry
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DarkMorford: Flash? Nah. Now how about Silverlight, folks? Kappa
LuveenW: The version of Lightroom I use is clearly written in Adobe Flex. I've programmed in Adobe Flex, and let me tell you it isn't fun at all.
nalha: this isnt exactly the most chat friendly game :P
RockPusher: As is Tradition tiltyhEXTREME
LunarRai: @DarkMorford What year is it?!
xTJPBQdfNHA7qUxeTd5Uy9gV: fast laps are overrated
johnalogue: HTML can also be like Flash, it's just that again, most content creators would make a different thing entirely when they woulkd've made flash games once
PixelArtDragon: Shockwave!
irs_debt_collector: I don't keep my eyes on the road, why do you?
PharaohBender27: katesLol
nalha: slow laps just mean you get to enjoy the game more
KevinTheShark: We appreciate your input and well thought out arguments Ian
electric_claire: How many bosses have you beaten, Ian?
texasman208: Oh man I just went to the past
LuveenW: Actionscript, anyone? LUL
Driosenth: shockwave! Anyone remember TMBG clock radio?
VmKid: @DarkMorford As someone who works in medical IT, I'm amazed that Silverlight is still around. Also it can get bent.
CaptainSpam: I had to work with the embedded version of Flash in my last job. We did NOT appreciate it.
johnalogue: it's okay I'm a horribly understimulated wannabe engineer and I need tech discourse to breathe
Molladia: I dont understand the complaints with Discord, but I only have 3 servers, LRR, My own and my best friends.
TehAmelie: remember Sakupen? the Leonardo da Vinci of Flash, people called him
CaptainSpam: Apparently ActionScript 3.0 fixed a lot of our gripes, but Adobe didn't make an embedded version of a Flash version that supported it.
PixelArtDragon: You know what's REALLY weird? Java was largely designed for embedding in webpages
TehAmelie: okay, it was maybe just me
LuveenW: @TehAmelie d'aww
DarkMorford: Anyone else remember the old "Radiskull & Devil Doll" Shockwave cartoons?
johnalogue: @TehAmelie not familiar, what are they known for making?
TehAmelie: Dad's Home
irs_debt_collector: same
TehAmelie: and one other thing i can't remember
rocketjohn: Yeah. Discord = RIP forums.
TehAmelie: much like Da Vinci did Mona Lisa and that other painting
LuveenW: I mute notifications on basically all the Discord channels I'm subscribed to
rocketjohn: they have threading now, sort of. Much like twitch does. And it sucks, much like twitch does.
nalha: I am so hyped for the new gran turismo, if its good I'm going to spend soo much time with it
PixelArtDragon: Discord is a replacement for forums when they shouldn't be competitors
VmKid: I don't know if Discord is RIP forums as much as it is RIP IRC.
niccus: i grew up with IRC so it's a pretty natural translation
PharaohBender27: I miss forums. Before I got on Twitch, I was pretty active on the Cracked.com forums for much of the 2010s.
johnalogue: someday it'll be safe and everyone in this chat can meet up and spend 3 days drinking coffee and fixing the world's problems
Max_Mckayful: Discord feels like a pub, except all conversations are equally loud
rocketjohn: It's killed the LRR Forum
DarkMorford: Yeah, Discord is basically a fancy wrapper around IRC.
Painfully_Dyslexic: I feel I'm too old for Discord and I'm only 27, I just don't get it
VmKid: You can search within a single Discord server tho
johnalogue: Discord and Forums should coexist!
RockPusher: That Chromium can get away with actively lying about the URL in the address bar and this is not considered a bug, and no-one cares enough or has the resources to do anything about it is pretty much the death-knell for the web :(
LuveenW: oh gosh, don't even get me started on how slow Discord notifications are. That sure became apparent when I was trying to keep abreast of when GPUs restocked.
johnalogue: @Mangledpixel Not as well-organized, though
niccus: not being googlable is conditionally an appeal for some
rocketjohn: you can search discord, but you can't search discord with a web search engine
rocketjohn: it's a silo
CaptainSpam: Yeah, I consider Discord/IRC/etc to be more of a live-chat sort of realm, where forums/newsgroups/etc are more of async-chat, and the two have different uses.
rocketjohn: which is completely useless.
nalha: yea I hate community discords, I want to be able to lurk a ton of old content
mizzytastic: @Mangledpixel if you are already on the server and you can remember the exact wording you are looking for
Molladia: I use LRR discord for single question instant response only,
irs_debt_collector: I did not expect Discords shortcommings to be on this stream
TehAmelie: i saw a software thingy that could make a forum based on a discord. but when i told the discord about that they thought it would sow discord or something
texasman208: yeah googling for ocscure tech fixes from 15 years ago is going to get real awakward soon
MehallD: I wish new pinned messages popped up like a twitch sub reminder whenever you visited a channel
johnalogue: but forums let you find questions that have already been answered!
mitomanox: !next
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johnalogue: the loss of human knowledge!
RealGamerCow: I'm a weirdo, I think people should be able to indicate if what they are putting on the internet should be ephemeral or permanent
mitomanox: are you introducing Loading Ready Live driving today, Ian?
KevinTheShark: Discord in a way certainly seems like a step back
irs_debt_collector: agreed
MortifiedPenguins: there's still stack for that kind of thing but I get that it's not the same as forums
nalha: this is why i hang on reddit so much, its at least searchable for old posts
KeytarCat: Oh, is LRL today??
KeytarCat: Cripes, I have D&D
irs_debt_collector: I had no clue
rocketjohn: twitch chat is also a bad wrap around IRC, and it shows.
johnalogue: strong agree
Mangledpixel: ah, so Fleets :p
PixelArtDragon: Discord really is supposed to be a replacement for IRC but most people getting involved in Discord never experienced IRC
johnalogue: @Mangledpixel Nooooooooooo
Mangledpixel: hehehehe
Max_Mckayful: I believe!
MortifiedPenguins: haha, Ian, no. you have no idea the age of some software I worked on. that would be nightmarish.
mr_yarget: drive forever *clap clap clapclapclap*
LuveenW: that has its own complications - we need historical record of certain data. Like, say, what a politician promised 5 years ago
nalha: @PixelArtDragon send them to bash.org lol
CaptainSpam: However, I'd say more that Reddit killed forums, not Discord. Perhaps not the LRR forums, but the general idea.
Molladia: clap three times to give a forum it's user base back
Painfully_Dyslexic: Wish me luck I just submitted 6 job applications
SnowBuddy18: good luck
rocketjohn: the LRR forum was definitely killed by the LRR discord
johnalogue: @LuveenW Anything on the internet can be preserved if someone wants it, but whether the original content is meant to be preserved can still matter
RockPusher: Good luck Painfully_Dyslexic !
PharaohBender27: Good luck, @Painfully_Dyslexic ! lrrHEART
johnalogue: @Painfully_Dyslexic Good luck!
TehAmelie: if everyone here posted on the LRR forum right now it could start a conversation
RealGamerCow: Because I'm really not a fan of people getting stuff dug up from 10 or 20 or more years ago that they said on the Internet. I probably said stuff on newsgroups in 1995 that I'd be ashamed of now, and that is theoretically still out there somewhere.
Wolfstrike_NL: Painfully_Dyslexic , no need for luck, you got this!
MortifiedPenguins: I worked on a database that was basically pre-internet and it was basically hell. The only documentation was one book that the company held on to dear life for.
MehallD: Good luck Painfaully Dyslexic!
Clockwork_Penguin: I have conflicitng feelings on stuff like retention. On the one hand privacy and allowing people to control their own data. On the other hand accountability and keeping reciepts/ archiving important history.
PixelArtDragon: Maybe one of the big barriers is the hosting- it's relatively easy to get a Discord server hosted, getting a forum hosted takes a lot more work
Clockwork_Penguin: It's something we've seen with the EU's right to be forgotten.
VmKid: I applied for one job earlier this week, hopefully I get a call 🤞
PharaohBender27: @Clockwork_Penguin Same here
rocketjohn: You can't cancel people for dumb crap they say in their youth if you let it expire..
irs_debt_collector: I don't think that way
RealGamerCow: Clockwork_Penguin oh definitely, there would need to be rules and regulations about public servants and how that information is handled.
rocketjohn: and then people built applications
johnalogue: like Tesla's "new" awful controls that make me hate
Clockwork_Penguin: Which is often used by companies burrying bad PR, and is quite hard to access for ordinary people trying to for e.g. defend against abuse
SnowBuddy18: old man Ian
nalha: open source everything!
KeytarCat: I just named a character Claire Aoyama because I couldn't get away from Claire Redfield
RealGamerCow: Just wait until every country and/or state has something like the Great Firewall of China.
Max_Mckayful: I love how the throttle noises match Ian's emphatic opinions
MortifiedPenguins: or it can just pretend to be new and get a bunch of VC go bust and continue to get a bunch of VC
johnalogue: USB > whatever the hell Apple is using
RealGamerCow: Or Russia's Internet killswitch
MortifiedPenguins: just like WeWork
VmKid: @johnalogue Firewire, I think? Kappa
PixelArtDragon: You've just put words to a whole lot of my generalized feeling of "why I don't want to work in most of the tech industry"
FoxFyr: @johnalogue so usb>usb-c?
RockPusher: There are no new technologies - a good talk I keep sending people to to highlight that fact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVZxkFAIziA
irs_debt_collector: why is this the main topic?
sacrenos: Ian I drank way too much whiskey to have this discussion...
Driosenth: remember when Web 2.0 was all about API's and apps talked to each other. Remember how bots abused and corporations took away features little by little. Pepperidge Farms Remembers.
TehAmelie: as a historian, i would say nothing people say or do expires. but having a clear record makes it easy to show if you don't stand by things you once said
johnalogue: @FoxFyr USB-c is USB, apple has gross proprietary stuff
awowadas: pls no punterino
RockPusher: (at least in computing, no recently)
CaptainSpam: The race director apparently doesn't care about anyone ELSE running YOU off the road...
Juliamon: irs_debt_collector Welcome to LRR, where gameplay is secondary to irrelevant discussion
irs_debt_collector: I am so confused
Max_Mckayful: @PixelArtDragon I feel that. It's not so much "what I do", it's "the context they want me to do it in"
LordZarano: imo, society really needs to learn to stop caring about dumb things people said when they were young
nalha: lets discuss gameplay, which way do you want ian to turn next?
MortifiedPenguins: gosh, so much of software dev is busy work. Machine learning isn't even new, it's just statistics with more data, more time and more processing power
johnalogue: Samsung's new phone makes me angry and I feel like I'll exhaust myself explaining why
Driosenth: @nalha go left
irs_debt_collector: ahhhh, I see
johnalogue: 5 cameras < durability, battery life, repairability, cost refinements.
niccus: without forums, we wouldn't have the dumbest boy alive
irs_debt_collector: I agree with you there
Clockwork_Penguin: Technology lets us make powerful mistakes :P
PharaohBender27: People in the Victorian Era thought industrial progress was inherently good, and would bring about world peace - then World War I happened
Molladia: niccus how did Forums produce Trump?
Juliamon: We could always topic-shift into the current anime season...
KeytarCat: Tech should be a tool to affect change, but still requires a human hand to guide it so we don't just kill people
LuveenW: @johnalogue not to mention no SD card slot or headphone jack!
PixelArtDragon: Tech is really good a making many multifaceted problems into purely human ones, but we still haven't really figured out those human problems.
Max_Mckayful: any problem? "let's make an app for it!" ..... uhg
Driosenth: I believe it is feasible that humans *could* wrangle technology back to a force of good. But I don't see it as likely
RockPusher: I was once described by a co-worker as a neo-luddite as a label for my rants about IRC, Usenet and the like
KeytarCat: "there's an app for that!"
rocketjohn: ew. As few holes in my phone as possible pls.
RockPusher: which I quite like
TehAmelie: the future is already here, just unevenly distributed, as it were
LuveenW: @Juliamon have you been keeping up with Attack on Titan? I'm waiting until all the episodes are out because I can't bear the wait between them
nalha: a good example of marketing the wrong features is super high dpi values on gaming mice
johnalogue: The original point of liberalism put a great deal of emphasis on the mechanics of state! That's why the American revolution wasn't *actually* just angry farmers who hated taxes, there was political theory
ivi1116: hello
MortifiedPenguins: @TehAmelie just like in the marvel movies :P
Juliamon: LuveenW Nah, it's not my speed
RockPusher has a good anti-WYSIWYG rant too :D
Driosenth: @nalha what about mice polling intervals?
Juliamon: hello ivi1116
LuveenW: @Juliamon gotcha - what stuff are you excited for this season?
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irs_debt_collector: funny, I actually only own a flip phone, and one of the Ipods that only plays music.
johnalogue: If we neglect the mechanics of democracy we will lose its benefits.
PixelArtDragon: @RockPusher I'm quite curious about that
rocketjohn: RockPusher is it around the fact that it never is?
KeytarCat: I don't even know what that is
Molladia: Will the new Evangelion be an actual movie/episode or another mindf*ck
johnalogue: I prefer WYSIHYD
Wolfstrike_NL: Fifth! not bad
ContingentCat: @Molladia por que no los dos?
MortifiedPenguins: WYSIWYG has it's uses
MortifiedPenguins: they're justoften poorly applied
RockPusher: See - if it had stayed in DTP then it would probably be okay - primarily Word became a thing and now document management is terrible
RockPusher: document creation should be separate from document design and layout
PixelArtDragon: Is this why Apple products are the computers of choice for video editors and graphic artists?
rocketjohn: aha, rain. Are yoiu still on slicks ian?
PharaohBender27 tugs on collar
PixelArtDragon: There's a reason why there's a whole other product for document design, Microsoft Publisher
RealGamerCow: oh god I hear you on that one, I have end users that are designing chips and they hate that they can't get a good monitor. Windows apps are also HORRIBLE about using multithreading. I'm looking at you, Solidworks.
PharaohBender27 *tugs on collar nervously
nalha: is that still true? apple have been screwing up a lot recent years
ContingentCat: yikes that would be like writing something long in photoshop
KevinTheShark: What we're saying is, is that we cant have a one size fits all economy in technical engineering
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MortifiedPenguins: this will be the year we bring linux to the desktop :P
RockPusher: PharaohBender27 no need to be nervous - rants are directed at the industry in general, the ants in the anthill aren't the problem lrrAWESOME
Clockwork_Penguin: These days I pretty much just use Word as a temporary holding ground for screenshots I need to bung into emails.
LadyAiluros: Apple Keybords suuuuuck yes
rocketjohn: MortifiedPenguins Every year has been that year, and it is never that year, and never will be
RealGamerCow: I *hate* that everything on the web is now formatted for mobile. It's like reading newspapers that are one column wide.
johnalogue: Apple is all about mobile now
VmKid: Apple keyboards in general suck
nalha: yea i get double bb all the time on my work macbook keyboard
aiamethyst: oh yeah, I have a macbook for work and it's constantly double typing and missing letters, it's so frustrating
johnalogue: "What's a computer?"
RockPusher: MortifiedPenguins it's been the year of linux on the desktop for me for quite a few years now :D
LadyAiluros: i just want a user-grade upgradeable tower that doesn't cost more than my car
TehAmelie: i'm writing two books in open source-Word. . .
MortifiedPenguins: @rocketjohn you discovered the joke, you get a rpize
PharaohBender27: @RockPusher Oh I mean because I've done formatting for my holiday/end-of-year cards in Word. Unless I misunderstood what was meant by "formatting" and "layout design" there
nalha: lol the last few macOS updates have been a mess
rocketjohn: MortifiedPenguins is my prize a sarcasm signifier?
johnalogue: looking forward to the Wooting Hall-Effect analog keyboard...
FoxFyr: THe M-1 is honestly kinda stupid, I have a coworker who got his macbook a couple months before me and I can bounce final cut files in like 1/8th of the time
LadyAiluros: @nalha yeah I'm on Mjoave still and will sink my claws in as long as I can
FoxFyr: Stupid in a good way*
CaptainSpam: Eh, personally, I just use a mess of whatever technology works for me at the time. Kappa
RockPusher: PharaohBender27 perfectly fine - regular people do all the time - you use the tools you have available (even if they are bad) because of the sins the industry made decades ago
nalha: i updated from mojave the other day
LadyAiluros: I still have 32-bit apps
irs_debt_collector: when are the MTG streams?
FoxFyr: I will say though I miss snow leopard more than any other os
LuveenW: @LadyAiluros from Apple specifically, or in general? Because it is possible to build a very decent professional/creator PC for about $500
Juliamon: !schedule
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LadyAiluros: I am looking at Hackintosh now
MortifiedPenguins: @RockPusher I would love linux on the desktop it just never does quite what I want it to and to get it too is too much work.
RealGamerCow: Microsoft is now only supporting security updates for 18 month-old OSes. Which is a huge pain in my ass to update 5000+ machines
LadyAiluros: @LunarRai Apple. I am DEEP in the ecosystem
LadyAiluros: I need to upgrade from the 2012 cheesegrater
SquareDotCube: If someone wants to step, now's the time to make a new OS, even if it's a Linux or BSD branch
rocketjohn: I used to run linux desktop. And then i realised I wanted to spend more time actually working with my computer than making it work
nalha: im switching to linux for work next time
VmKid: Hot Take: Apple needs to get over their use of slightly nonstandard keyboard layouts and take the Command key out behind the shed and start using Ctrl, Alt, and Meta like everyone else.
LadyAiluros: if they don't make a user-grade tower I have no real choice
RockPusher: MortifiedPenguins anything specifically? - things have been real good in the last couple years
LunarRai: @LadyAiluros Did you @ the wrong person? I've completely forgotten anything I might have said to be replied to.
CaptainSpam: I've been happy with Linux on the desktop for quite a while now, and it's worked incredibly well for me. Of course, I'm the weirdo here, I guess. :p
LadyAiluros: probbly yeah
LadyAiluros: speaking of Apple keyboards :P
MortifiedPenguins: @RockPusher just a lot of little things really
TheMerricat: As much as I love the 'idea' of Linux, I've never once managed to install it and have it be more than "whelp I'll spend this week configuring it so I can use it for real next week" on infinite loop.
LadyAiluros: I just want an Apple tower that I can fiddle with
rocketjohn: TheMerricat that is the linux desktop experience.
LuveenW: @VmKid they do at least make those three keys OS remappable, so that specifically has become more of a minor annoyance
Texan_Reverend: I would actually vouch for a base Mac Mini over a cheap Hackintosh now. The new ARM Mac systems are incredibly good.
LadyAiluros: for streaming and transcoding tho?
FoxFyr: Can confirm the M-1Macbook pro is very fast, but everything about the hardward built in is unpleasant. Keyboard is awful and I dislike the trackpad and input layout
johnalogue: I've heard one of their recent iPad pros or whatever is basically an aluminum bag with a screen in order to be light and thin...not much faith in that engineering philosophy.
LuveenW: Launchbar is pretty unbeatable. The closest analogue for Windows I've found is Listary
VmKid: Desktop Linux works really well in my experience, and it worked great for my mom who just really needed a Chromebook. So we bought her one for Hanukkah after her old laptop crapped itself.
nartin9: I don't like quicksilver
sacrenos: I'm a windows desktop guy all the way. then again, I am a Dynamics 365 CE programmer so yea... I sold my soul to MS a long time ago. Still run unix on my server though :P
LadyAiluros: I need something to drive my streaming and ideally to be able to stream and playo n the same machine
Micsig: Time for wets?
PixelArtDragon: The only time I would use Linux on a desktop is if I want it to use it for developing server software and want similar environments
DarkMorford: I need to spend some more time with desktop Linux. Big fan of Debian for server machines, but I'm pretty much Windows-only for my day-to-day stuff.
LadyAiluros: I mean I have a Macintosh Plus upstairs too :P
Texan_Reverend: @ladyailuros Absolutely. It's worth looking at some of the review videos about video editing on the new Mini. I think there might be a couple about streaming, too.
irs_debt_collector: this is the first stream I have ever been to that is talking about prices and the issues of technology.
CaptainSpam still patiently waits for System76 to release their AMD line of laptops...
VmKid: Honestly, I'm of the opinion that people should use the OS that lets them do the things they need to do. The OS flamewars of old really need to fuck off already.
SquareDotCube: at least we're not at the Dr.Watson stage anymore
LordZarano: TTSF: Arch install when?
Juliamon: irs_debt_collector You'll want to follow twitch.tv/tiltyhouse as well then, he streams there as well
LadyAiluros: @Texan_Reverend will it drive modded minecraft and OBS transcoding on the same machine?
PixelArtDragon: My controversial take on the VIM vs EMACS debate is "VSCode"
cmdrud87: Regarding the kexbinds, I recently tried to explain to a colleague of mine where she could see what cookies were embedded in a website and I nearly despaired since ctrl+u, which is the shortcut for PCs does nor work
nartin9: Mac for me is total trash I have no use for mac. Windows and Linus are what I use
MortifiedPenguins: @PixelArtDragon correct
RockPusher: I'm on Kubuntu - so I have a desktop environment that essentially matches my old Windows setup - multimonitor on Nvidia is fine - Steam and Proton gives me gaming almost equivalent to Windows
LadyAiluros: I would also have to run a Snow Leopard VM to run old mac games :P
MortifiedPenguins: a code editor shouldn't need books to understand how it works
nalha: or maybe its time to look into a thin client pc and a full desktop environment in the cloud
rocketjohn: My controversial take on every software vs software take is shut up and use what you like, and stop trying to persuade other people to change.
LuveenW: Alfred just doesn't play at the same level imho. It's also pretty telling that you have all these dock apps in other OSes trying to replicate Launchbar down to that icon zoom on mouse hover
VmKid: TBH I'd only ever really buy a Mac for myself if I had to start building iOS apps for work.
VmKid: *sips his Egmelt*
CaptainSpam: @RockPusher Same here. I've been happy with KDE for quite a while, and Steam's surprise choice to support Linux all those years ago has REALLY helped.
LadyAiluros: I went Mac when Windows 8 was the only other choice and I've never looked back
johnalogue: Motorcycle channel Fortnine did a recent video pointing out that a modern Honda bike costs about the same as an old one and has better value...but cost of living went up without wages following. Modern tech needs to offer incrementally better performance but with more affordability!
LadyAiluros: yeah like all my software i've purchasd is Mac so I want to stay Mac
niccus: what if we go back to telnet and teletext
LadyAiluros: ^
jedi_master_zll: I use nano when I have to do command line editing.
LuveenW: Atom is pretty cool too. My IDE of choice atm is IntelliJ IDEA. It is seamless and slick
johnalogue: That's why Royal Enfield is growing and Harley-Davidson is dying
FoxFyr: If I didn't need Logic and Final cut I wouldn't really feel the need to ever boot a mac, but It still feels silly to watch people bash the platform, because its useful for a lot of people that don't need customization
SnowBuddy18: the egmelt guy is back after wizards repairing our car in practice
CaptainSpam: I've heard your opinion on Vim before, Ian, but I'll still say I use Vim as my usual text editor (barring things that significantly benefit from something like an IDE). :-)
RockPusher: CaptainSpam for all their sins, Valve are very good to us - the work they are currently doing on the new runtime and containerising the games alongside Proton is just fantastic stuff
MortifiedPenguins: like, I would be more into apple stuff it if it was more accessible price wise, they make a closed eco-system and it works, but it's always top of the price cost.
SquareDotCube: Yeah, I get the like for Apple because of the quality parts and easy interface, but it's not very accessible to a power user or someone who'd prefer self-repair.
KevinTheShark: Informing people about options is far superior to forcing them to an opinion
KodeMage: lol, no sending cleartext on a wire someone can sniff?
LadyAiluros: that's fair, penguin
MehallD: Due to supporting Avaya software, I've had to get better with vi, as nothing else comes installed, and getting sign off for support for anything else at customer, support, and vendor level is a pain, but I just know the basics
RockPusher: CaptainSpam the gaming experience of Windows games on Steam will soon be technically superior to on Windows itself
MehallD: if I could I'd use nano everywhere
LuveenW: I've seen people get quite crazy with macros in vim and emacs
KodeMage: anyone remember when firesheep worked on like facebook? sending all that data in the clear smh
johnalogue: @MortifiedPenguins A simple, rugged entry-level option is critical to any product ecosystem that wants a broad userbase
rocketjohn: I used to compose emails in vim, with the pine email client.
rocketjohn: that was a very long time ago though.
LadyAiluros: yes
MortifiedPenguins: @johnalogue apple doesn't have one and I'm poor :P
ContingentCat: I'm curious about Apple stuff but I've always used Windows and android, and it's so expensive to switch
Clockwork_Penguin: Gotta give some love to notepad++
RockPusher: Ah, Eudora
rocketjohn: I remember supporting eudora.
RockPusher: that was a long time ago
KodeMage: vim, emacs, pico, etc, they're all still around. I've upgraded to one called Atom that's helping me organize my RPG notes.
rocketjohn: i remember people continually refering to it as endora
LuveenW: ah, this takes me back to when I'd tmux into six different server environments and simultaneously edit config files in vim across all of them like an omega-level hax0r
MortifiedPenguins: remember email clients!
texasman208: tell us a story Ian
SketchyDetails: Random question: has anyone ever gotten the mail daemon feature of NetHack working?
RockPusher: *nix
DarkMorford: @Clockwork_Penguin Yeah. VS Code is really nice, but I still use N++ a lot just because it's so quick to start up.
LadyAiluros: *nix <3
johnalogue: @MortifiedPenguins It lets them upsell you on fragile jewelry
KodeMage: android is linux, so it's alive and well
RockPusher: Oh it doesn't worry just you Ian
CaptainSpam: The concept of Unix is forgetting to get the right tires.
CaptainSpam: Wait, no...
KidAmn: it *looked* like it put wets on? They certainly had some hefty tread.
johnalogue: As a former tire tech, I can confirm incorrect tire choices will make or break your unix experience
RockPusher: Systemd is a bad solution to a bunch of small problems
TheMerricat: PS for those who remember Eudora - "On May 22, 2018, after five years of discussion with Qualcomm, the Computer History Museum acquired full ownership of the source code, the Eudora trademarks, copyrights, and domain names. The transfer agreement from Qualcomm also allowed the Computer History Museum to publish the source code under the BSD open source license."
rocketjohn: ah, the glory of the | character
CaptainSpam: I generally point to the concept of tarballs (*.tar.gz, *.tar.bz2, etc) as an example of the Unix philosophy.
PixelArtDragon: So I find that to actually have been pretty well done with Powershell
MortifiedPenguins: I always get the order for | mixed up
DarkMorford: "Linux: Get piped!" Kappa
rocketjohn: ls | cat > filelist.txt
PixelArtDragon: ls dir | grep myfile > output.txt
nalha: stdin <3
rocketjohn: catalog
CaptainSpam: tar: Tape ARchive, bundles the files together. gz, bz2, xz, etc: Compression. You can swap out compression easily if a better one is found, and it doesn't need to be integrated into tar.
PixelArtDragon: long_ass_output | less
yalc321: Yakuza got a driving mini game? Neat
MehallD: no, cat is definitely short for concatenate
rocketjohn: I used to remember awk and sed off the top of my head
KeytarCat: I love concatenate. It just tacks the info onto the end of the requested location
rocketjohn: oh, my bad
johnalogue: shove that cat
sacrenos: windows is basically the same...
KeytarCat: I remember using it when I worked with Excel for a semester
TheMerricat: Command Line Life 4ver!!
MehallD: man, getting used to handling hardware as files was hard to get used to
CaptainSpam: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp Kappa
RockPusher: tail -f logfile | grep -i "keyword" > filteredlog
LuveenW: @johnalogue or pet it. You know, if you want to be nice Kappa
RealGamerCow: I really wish Windows had gone forward with their proposed complete file system and command rebuild from scratch, instead of building on the DOS 6.1 and Windows 95 roots that they've been going on 25 years
MehallD: sudo rm-rf * /
johnalogue: right, I learned a bit about the Linux filesystem I never figured out on my own because I've been doing a Google IT support course
MehallD: woops, missed a space
johnalogue: it's wild that input devices are *files*
Molladia: dir with the /w modifier was a time saver when I learned of it
MehallD: (do not use thatc ommand)
RockPusher: CaptainSpam ah,I remember that well - fun times
KeytarCat: Chat has become unreadable to me, but I'm still having fun ldydrgS ljgami1Kwaken
rocketjohn: grep with context of a file is very useful too
RealGamerCow: Too bad sudo got hacked.
PixelArtDragon: @MehallD Don't forget --no-preserve-root
rocketjohn: and you can't use it as that.
rocketjohn: which is super frustrating
TheMerricat: @RealGamerCow I'd had have a cow, unless they managed to ensure some sort of compatibliy layer for stuff expecting the old stuff. As much as people want a 'new' setup for MS OS, no advocating it ever seem to remember or realize how much legacy shit is out there that folk have to support.
SquareDotCube: well get angry at the people who find security exploits and made viruses then
RockPusher: RealGamerCow vulns happen all the time - yes, that one was interesting - but not particularly special
rocketjohn: there are ways to fix that and still let me use my hardware, SquareDotCube - that's not a correct take
LadyAiluros: there will always be script kiddies
PixelArtDragon: You can't patch an exploit if you don't know it exists, and knowing is half the battle
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johnalogue: Exploits are a reality of computing
Clockwork_Penguin: We can't stop people breaking developer assumptions by accident. We're never going to stop people who are actively hunting for them
RealGamerCow: TheMerricat Oh, I am truly aware, I have 3 Windows 98 computers on my network, and they are like a thorn
TheMerricat: When I was 'growing up' in the IT world the saying was "The only secure hardware is hardware that never left the box" but these days even that hardware can be 'pre' hacked.
johnalogue: When "advanced settings" are just "volume and screen brightness"
RealGamerCow: I just wish they forked out a truly professional Windows OS, and I don't mean the Shell version of Server
RealGamerCow: But MS is going FULL CLOUD now, so good luck with that.
MortifiedPenguins: the only secure hardware is a rock
PixelArtDragon: @RealGamerCow I once found Windows Server 98 production servers
johnalogue: Cloud: Someone else's computer.
RockPusher: Check in with your friendly neighbourhood government cybersecurity organisations and follow their advice :D
RealGamerCow: BTW, if you're a windows user, expect to start paying a subscription for updates in 2022.
TehAmelie: imagine if Microsoft hadn't taken over the whole OS business. might be impossible to have like, videogames that run on all systems, but also viruses
Clockwork_Penguin: Not being able to control brightness seems like an acessibility failure. Like, different people need different settings.
LuveenW: @RealGamerCow source?
PharaohBender27: @RealGamerCow Doesn't surprise me
johnalogue: @RealGamerCow What? That was rumored for 10's launch but damn
TheMerricat: There are too many powerful organizations with (rightfully) paranoid IT departments for MS to ever succeed in turning Windows into a cloud only system.
MortifiedPenguins: making people pay a sub for updates would be a security nightmare
johnalogue: "how to drive people to Linux in one easy step"
Molladia: !break
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mr_yarget: change yo tires
Molladia: should we run adds?
RockPusher: For the Canadians: https://cyber.gc.ca/en/
RealGamerCow: LuveenW My microsoft rep. It's not 100% yet, but it is expected, with it being covered by a "Cloud OS" release, which will be like $10/month and get you your choice of Game Pass or O365 bundled in.
TheMerricat: @RealGamerCow And charging subs for updates would immediately draw the baleful Sauron Eye of regulation to Microsoft if they ever actually tried rolling it out fo reall.
RockPusher: CISA in the US: https://www.cisa.gov
johnalogue: Cloud is someone else's computer. I have my own dang hardware
RealGamerCow: Oh, the OS would be on your computer. Mostly.
LuveenW: That seems fraught with issues - Microsoft wouldn't want to fragment their user base by putting a price on updates. Sounds like something that came out of the same boardroom meeting that decided doubling Xbox subscription prices overnight was a good idea.
RockPusher: ASCS in Aussie: https://www.cyber.gov.au
johnalogue: I'm sure energy is wasted by putting everything into network transmissions, especially when terabytes of local storage are so cheap
Texan_Reverend: @ladyailuros I can't make guarantees about how well a Mac Mini will work for you, but here's a video from a channel that's doing a bunch of testing on the M1 Macs: https://youtu.be/RunE5mpNxLo
RockPusher: and my local one: https://www.cert.govt.nz
LadyAiluros: cool!
johnalogue: @RealGamerCow It would be on my computer, but NOT FOR LONG!
MortifiedPenguins: windows didn't want fragment thier user base so hard they gave windows 10 out for free and kept doing it way longer then they said it would.
LuveenW: Also seems like the EU and antitrust advocates would have something to say about Windows 10 updates being paywalled
LadyAiluros: heehee
johnalogue: "it's a subscription now" is how an OS gets yeeted
RealGamerCow: I'm expecting that they'll end up doing standard Windows and "Cloud Windows" as a subscription model for people that don't want to fork out $300 or whatever for an OS.
LadyAiluros: the other issue is dos it have enought USB ports
LadyAiluros: I need ... ooodles
Clockwork_Penguin: I'm not a huge fan of 'as a service' because its a move towards not owning anything and having it all be rented. And theres not many players in that space and landlords are dinks
Texan_Reverend: @ladyailuros Also, if your timeframe isn't immediate, the M1x chips coming later this year are expected to nearly double graphics perfomance.
KevinTheShark: You can chat if you want to, you can leave your race behind
Clockwork_Penguin: Like cloud would be great, if you could somehow do it as a commons
rocketjohn: well held...
johnalogue: @Clockwork_Penguin the argument is that software is always in development, etc....I hate as a service too, though. So much.
Texan_Reverend: @ladyailuros That's what USB hubs are for.
MehallD: good catch
LadyAiluros: @Texan_Reverend it really isn't yeah
FoxFyr: @LadyAiluros I've been able to run multiple midi instruments and external harddrives out of a single usb-c you shouldn't have any problems
Juliamon: rayfkDont rayfkDont rayfkDont
MortifiedPenguins: google is doing a similar trying to unfragment thier android space iirc
LadyAiluros: yeah I have SO MANY THINGS for steaming that are USB
TheMerricat: MS moving to cloud based stuff while 90% of rural America is still woefully underserved in broadband would be the equivalent of MS shooting it's own foot. There may be plenty of middle level management folk who parrot the idea that it'd go Cloud because that's really a big buzzword right now in corporate America (esp now that Covid has made WFH a real big thing) but it's not a reasonable stance and upper management knows that
mitomanox: 4 glooory
PixelArtDragon: For the glory of the Klingon Empire!
LadyAiluros: Qah'Plah!
TehAmelie: when everything is rented i expect to be paid rent for existing. instead of the circle of life we'll have the circle of rent
TheMerricat: Taxes @TehAmelie Taxed
johnalogue: eventually this will chase a lot of us more techy types into Linux and probably making our own hardware by 3D printing or something
LuveenW: @MortifiedPenguins afaik Google have essentially admitted to that being a mistake caused by lack of foresight, and attempted to remedy the situation
johnalogue: we'll all be the resistance
Clockwork_Penguin: Isn't all Nerdcore from the mid 2000s :P
the_one_and_only_kim: !schedule
LRRbot: Want to know what's coming up? Check out https://loadingreadyrun.com/live for an interactive schedule, or http://lrr.cc/schedule for a Google Calendar version.
MortifiedPenguins: @TheMerricat isn't that just called SSH and remote desktop :P
RealGamerCow: Capitalism has a big cheeseburger-tipped boner for subscription services because they are repeatable revenue.
TehAmelie: i mean, i am already paying tax on my tax paid disability pension
MehallD: i'm beginning to think this "capitalism" thing might have some issues, RealGamerCow
johnalogue: @RealGamerCow it's still hard to argue against since publishing software has repeatable costs, though
SnowBuddy18: okay, I'm here for the rest of the race, with dinner
Texan_Reverend: @ladyailuros As far as video rendering workloads, the Mac Minis have been punching wildly above their price bracket. Having all the processors, CPU, AI, and GPU, are directly connected to the RAM speeding up a lot of stuff.
CaptainSpam: "Little did Ian know, the only thing he was braking... was his pit crew's heart."
PharaohBender27: NotLikeThis
LadyAiluros: @Texan_Reverend I'm gona look at them yeah
CaptainSpam: Welp.
RealGamerCow: johnalogue MS is making HUGE money on O365 and Azure
LadyAiluros: and watching the new M!x stuff
RedPhoenixCasts: geez
FoxFyr: Mulligan?
MortifiedPenguins: @johnalogue have those costs really gone up compared to when everything was a service
PixelArtDragon: @RealGamerCow Sell someone a fish, they pay you for a day. Sell them a fish subscription service, and they pay you for the rest of their life.
DeM0nFiRe: uh... one more?
RealGamerCow: last one more
RedPhoenixCasts: Uno mas?
Wolfstrike_NL: !onemore
LRRbot: One More? uno mas? ONE MORE! En til?
Clockwork_Penguin: Sometimes I think about how feasible it would be to do libraries, but streaming.
Juliamon: rayfkDont rayfkDont rayfkDont
RockPusher: do over, do over
RealGamerCow: everyone stop being interesting!
RedPhoenixCasts: WATCH THE ROAD
TheMerricat: @MortifiedPenguins No joke, I live in Saint Louis Missouri and up till August of this year I couldn't remote into work reliably because the best connection available to me was crappy DSL that had enough lag that I could re-enact the acid trails mouse pointer effect from Win95 just by moving my mouse fast enough.
LordZarano: !look
PixelArtDragon: Ever (play it) forward, never (play it) learning
PharaohBender27: @TheMerricat Oooofff
LordZarano: !listen
LRRbot: Seriously, just never listen to chat.
RealGamerCow: Yori!
MortifiedPenguins: @TheMerricat I live in a fairly new build near london and it doesn't have a internet cable so I have to rely on shitty mobile internet. I'm struggling to stream this is 144p
yalc321: Could you imagine if IRL race drivers got to call for "Do Overs"
Texan_Reverend: @ladyailuros Also, if you already have a device to play Minecraft on, you could have a 2 computer setup with a capture card.
Clockwork_Penguin: Ah heck, its midnight. I should stop talking about tech stuff and become unconscious
SnowBuddy18: @yalc321 they do, racing is so expensive because of the time shenanigans
PixelArtDragon: @Clockwork_Penguin *looks sheepishly at clock showing 1:53AM*
johnalogue: when the tech revolution comes I'll finally have a pebble 3
DeM0nFiRe: lrrFINE
Texan_Reverend: And there are now some neat, low-latency, 1080p capture cards which only cost ~$20.
LuveenW: Ian won't respond to my texts while driving a race car at around 150 km/h? The nerve!
TehAmelie: ooh can we get into a late night rambling conversation about the illusion of consciousness now?
LadyAiluros: @Texan_Reverend true I could still play the mdded MC on the Cheesegrater and cap it on the mini
TheMerricat: Part of the reason why I was let go was because during my 'year of hell' where they basically forced me to wfh because they didn't have 'office space' for me, I got pissed and started complaining loudly about the fact that I had been promised a VPN box so I could bring my PC home and at least VPN into work instead of having to RDP in and they hadn't gotten me one after six months of asking about it.
RealGamerCow: I've had Verizon and AT&T both come at me with "Buy new 5g phones!" spiels, and I've said "Our office is 50 miles from the closest 5g spot, why on earth would I?
KodeMage: no more than usual
LadyAiluros: stay on target ...
LuveenW: @TehAmelie my soul stares out at life through the windows of the prison that is my body
yalc321: Hey @LoadingReadyRun Look at chat!
RealGamerCow: TheMerricat jesus, they should have at least spotted you a Meraki
KodeMage: ouch
SnowBuddy18: @RealGamerCow that's a difficult argument to beat
johnalogue: rude
MortifiedPenguins: a lot of rural UK still has very bad internet annoyingly
RealGamerCow: SnowBuddy18 yeah, they just kind of sputtered at it.
rocketjohn: @MortifiedPenguins Nationalise openreach
johnalogue: 5G is so annoying. Most people just want cheaper, more reliable coverage, not faster.
MortifiedPenguins: @rocketjohn but the tories could just sell it to their pals
TehAmelie: i want cheaper more reliable broadband, myself
SnowBuddy18: the speeds at this point are honestly fast enough for normal use
johnalogue: and they always say stuff like "5G will make self-driving cars possible" or something. Which is what they say about blockchain, which is also useless
RockPusher: While it was by no means perfect - our national broadband uplift here in NZ did an absolutely fantastic job
RealGamerCow: 100MB broadband should be an ubiquitous utility
rocketjohn: MortifiedPenguins well lrrEFF the Tories, obviously.
mitomanox: LRR is the cozy place for people who care about their tech lrrHEART
MortifiedPenguins: working on that @rocketjohn
johnalogue: The US is a backwards country. Taiwan barely even saw COVID without waiting for a vaccine to fix everything
RealGamerCow: Just drift that corner
johnalogue: stop driving so fast! It isn't a race, Ian!
RockPusher: vast majority of population can get fibre - I'm on fairly affordable gigabit - we are incredibly spoiled compared to many places
RealGamerCow: Start driving backwards and eff up everyone else for the next 5 minutes
PixelArtDragon: I have hot takes about net neutrality, and how it simultaneously shouldn't exist but also some of the things that people are worried about shouldn't be allowed either
SnowBuddy18: @PixelArtDragon net neutrality shouldn't NEED to exist, but greedy capitalist assholes
RealGamerCow: Fun fact, net neutrality is one of the reasons Verizon wants to push 5g, because all the throttling and monthly limits are all legal and socialized as normal in the wireless bandwidth area already.
RockPusher: PixelArtDragon as with many things, it is treated as a binary when it is a lot more complex than that
PixelArtDragon: @SnowBuddy18 Something like that, yeah. A lot of it is that "the internet has many interconnecting parts and it's really hard to enforce neutrality on all those parts"
TehAmelie: if roads had been invented today they would argue wealthier drivers should get to go faster there too
LadyAiluros: ugh no DP support on the Mini tho
RandomTrivia: That was very smooth
PixelArtDragon: @TehAmelie What do you think speeding tickets are?
LadyAiluros: prolly yeah
LadyAiluros: <-- SPOILED with her 8GB Radeon
BrowneePoints: @PixelArtDragon facetious and apples/oranges there
rocketjohn: PixelArtDragon that is exactly true, well made point.
johnalogue: speed limits are bull and everyone knows it
LadyAiluros: yeah
RandomTrivia: That was a real nice lap
LadyAiluros: the RX580
RealGamerCow: I saw an article the other day saying 8GB video cards were "too slow" and I got real depressed
MortifiedPenguins: @LadyAiluros I still have a 970 lol
Texan_Reverend: Yes, the Mini has an HDMI and a Thunderbolt. It maxes out at double monitors.
LadyAiluros: and mine is flashed for EFI bootscreen
irs_debt_collector: what happens to all that extra hard skin that guy from that ad sheds?
RockPusher: "Native DisplayPort output over USB‑C" literally from the Mac Mini Specs
LadyAiluros: oh yeah the 580 is a great card
PixelArtDragon: My computer runs DOSBOX really well Kappa
DadicusRex: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: LoadingReadyLIVE (A Variety show, LoadingReadyRun Style!) at Sat 06:00 PM PST (1:56 from now).
RandomTrivia: Moore's Law is a hell of a drug
LadyAiluros: see this discourse is why I love tuning in to Ian streams <3
MacSquizzy: If you wanted to use speeding tickets to make a net neutrality analogy it'd be like if every road was owned by a car manufacturer and the speed limit was lower for anyone driving a toyota on Ford thruways
TehAmelie: i could live with an internet where people get their licence taken away if they go too much faster than everyone else too often
Seagulyus: TehAmelie except that people all over the place drive without a license already so...
johnalogue: @MacSquizzy damn I'd hate to drive on a Ford road. They'd kill support for small cars by now
SnowBuddy18: I'm on a RX 570, it serves all my purposes
RealGamerCow: Seagulyus but that shouldn't stop the need for licenses, the vast majority of people get a license and abide by the rules of that license.
RockPusher: good hustle, good hustle
LadyAiluros: ;;
PharaohBender27: Thanks for the stream! lrrHEART
TehAmelie: probably even more if they risk getting blacklisted by every ISP
CaptainSpam: I'm planning a new desktop build, and when I do so, I usually go for future-proofing. It's served me well these past... um... five or six years?
RandomTrivia: 7th, Ian
SnowBuddy18: 7th
RockPusher: That's pretty good
PharaohBender27: 7th! katesHype
RandomTrivia: Pretty good considering your previous LRRMans performance
CaptainSpam: Woohoo 7th!
RandomTrivia: Good Enough!
RandomTrivia: \o/
Texan_Reverend: Ian, this has been a great Play It Forward! I'm always here for more of your racing, whether on LRR or TiltyHouse. Thank you! tiltyhEXTREME
TehAmelie: hooray!
RockPusher: You've raised expectations for LRRMans now :P
Saunabath: lrrHORN lrrHORN lrrHORN katesHype
RandomTrivia: Would gladly watch you do more of this at some point
RockPusher: lrrHEART tiltyhEXTREME
CAKHost: Hurray! :D
johnalogue: okaaay, time to lower my blood pressure dramatically from worrying about the dark future of tech in time for LR Live
SquareDotCube: So... supercharged lawnmower racing next?
RandomTrivia: LUL SquareDotCube
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>how cool?
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>super cool?
Dog_of_Myth: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: LoadingReadyLIVE (A Variety show, LoadingReadyRun Style!) at Sat 06:00 PM PST (1:51 from now).
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>or sorta cool?
johnalogue: Ian *is* super cool.
JoannaTastic: Ice cold!
TheAinMAP: Thank you for streaming.
DeM0nFiRe: o/ lrrHEART
TehAmelie: it has been fun!
RockPusher: Thank you Ian - catch you on LRL lrrHEART tiltyhEXTREME
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>one hour or one minute?
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>IS IT TODAY?
TemporallyAwry: Always appreciate your insight and wisdom on tech talks.
Jeezy56: I hope you can come back and do some more racing (not just LRRMans)
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>TODAY?
RealGamerCow: I wish there were mods for Euro and US truck simulator that added expenses and things that reduced your income.
MortifiedPenguins: thanks for the stream ian and the chat... er.... chat
RandomTrivia: I'm sorry to have missed most of the last one. It's been a fantastic series
Dog_of_Myth: @irs_debt_collector I hour
rocketjohn: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: LoadingReadyLIVE (A Variety show, LoadingReadyRun Style!) at Sat 06:00 PM PST (1:50 from now).
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>WHAT IS IS ABOUT?
CaptainSpam: Thanks for the stream! It's almost time to be LIVE!
SnowBuddy18: 1 hour and 50 minutes Ian
DeM0nFiRe: 1h50m right?
rocketjohn: 1hr 500
LordZarano: !next
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>NOOO?!!?
rocketjohn: 50*
RandomTrivia: The soundtrack really wants us to have a big finish
CAKHost: Night!
Dog_of_Myth: Epic ending music
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>WHAT IS IS ABOUT!! WHAT IS THE STREAM ABOUT?
Juliamon: irs_debt_collector No need for caps
Juliamon: LRL is a variety show stream, like SNL
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>THE NEXT STREAM WHEN?
johnalogue: @irs_debt_collector a bunch of stuff happens with the LRR crew
irs_debt_collector: <message deleted>AHHHHHHHHA
RockPusher: Hot mics in Ian's area
RandomTrivia: sergeModLove sergeModLove sergeModLove
Dog_of_Myth: Mic 5!
RandomTrivia: Some Mic 5 happening somewhere
RandomTrivia: Motivational speech?!
DeM0nFiRe: What am I hearing lol
gualdhar: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: LoadingReadyLIVE (A Variety show, LoadingReadyRun Style!) at Sat 06:00 PM PST (1:48 from now).
RockPusher: Poker on Motorcycles?
RandomTrivia: Is this a trailer that plays on the title screen?
CAKHost: Card games on Motorcycles?!
RandomTrivia: @RockPusher Nah, that will never catch on
RockPusher: gabyLul
TheMerricat: LOL
RandomTrivia: Wah!
RockPusher: tiltyhPLS tiltyhEXTREME
ContingentCat: katesLol
TheMerricat: TBH it sounds like Hitman music to me too
johnalogue: I was gonna leave this open until the stream later but the hot mic makes that a bit awkward
TheMerricat: @johnalogue Given Ian just talked to us... is it really a hot mic?
frnknstn: little146Tired
RockPusher: johnalogue true - I also doubt I would give Ian the ability to whisper in my ear at any time lrrBEEJ
johnalogue: @TheMerricat I mean, whether or not you consider the mic hot is a matter of personal preference, I think
RandomTrivia: @TheMerricat I mic can be hot deliberately or by accident
Molladia: This is the music from the Gladiator
johnalogue: Stream disabled
TehAmelie: i thought i recognized Our Lady of the Soundtrack Sorrow
ContingentCat: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: LoadingReadyLIVE (A Variety show, LoadingReadyRun Style!) at Sat 06:00 PM PST (1:46 from now).
TheMerricat: See you all in a bit under an hour chat! And remember, it'll be Live, so something has to happen!
RockPusher: Now to decide what to do for 90min
TheMerricat: doh, See you all in a bit over an hour chat. :P
DarkMorford: I'm gonna play around with Jellyfin for a while
frnknstn: Unrelated to everything, Yakuza 0 thru 6 are all available on the PC "Xbox" subscription
TehAmelie: i could install my fancy new scanner/printer. but it's scary
Molladia: @RockPusher I'm tyring to contact ISP and get 4 of our work sites back online after heavy rains
DarkMorford: Is Yakuza 6 on PC? I was looking on Steam earlier and that was the only one I couldn't find.
RockPusher: Molladia seabatYIKES
TehAmelie: hardware has no undo option, and i'm so sleepy i may not realize which of all these plastic tabs are supposed to stay in
DeM0nFiRe: Man speaking of IPS, I spent like half the day getting internet working in a new apartment
RockPusher: DarkMorford due in a month or two I think
RockPusher: Likely to be Denuvo-d though
DeM0nFiRe: ISP*
TehAmelie: like umm that wasn't supposed to bend that way
Molladia: @RockPusher well they recieved 71mm in the last 48 hours
RockPusher: More water than anticipated is never fun
NightValien28: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: LoadingReadyLIVE (A Variety show, LoadingReadyRun Style!) at Sat 06:00 PM PST (1:41 from now).
Molladia: phone line pits don't like water apparently, who would have known
Earthenone: !time
LRRbot: Current moonbase time: 4:20 PM
Molladia: #nice
RandomTrivia: nice
Molladia: I'm staying here because if I leave I'll forget Live is happening and miss it
DeM0nFiRe: Random, but I just happen to have the vod of it in the backgroun, the boxing day stream was super comfy. Already looking forward to the next one
TehAmelie: i'm staying cause i pretty much live here