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GapFiller: hai Paul
beowuuf: chillpointerchillernauts
beowuuf: and sergeHi
r10pez10: howdy
beowuuf: hey hey
r10pez10: i took a nap yesterday after getting home after my first week at my new job
DeM0nFiRe: Heh
beowuuf: O.O sounds like an exhuasting week!
MAPBoardgames: !next
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r10pez10: challpoonts
DeM0nFiRe: A couple years ago I had like a super exhausting and stressful week that also included my first time flying. I ended up falling asleep at like 6PM on the friday and waking up at like 4PM saturday
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Raiz0k: Hi all.
r10pez10: my arms would have been tired too, demon
DeM0nFiRe: Heh
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beowuuf: My brain did one of those 'thank goodness that's over' shut downs on Monday, unfortunately the major aerospace audit wasn't actually finished yet, just the part that was everyone else's. I still had three hours of questions on my own systems that my brain decided to half ass answering. Fun times!
Raiz0k: How many totally-not-a-cats do you think we'll be getting today?
GapFiller: lunarj1Heart lunarj1Heart lunarj1Heart lunarj1Snip lunarj1Snip lunarj1Snip right I'm currently subbed
beowuuf: lrrHEATHER lunarj1Heart
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RockPusher: TODAY: A 300px square, JPEG artefacted lineart image embedded in a Word document that needs to go to print yesterday - This is ChillPoint
Izandai: I'm okay with that.
PharaohBender27: katesLol
djalternative: I'm here for graphic design stories
Earthenone: do we have the technology to show the time remaing in the songs for the countdowns since no one seems to want to inteupt them when the countdown is done?
Plasterboard: GraphicsDesignPoint
EldarLuin: Graphic Design forever! (Know of any jobs out there... Asking for a friend....) >.> <.<
GapFiller: good evening lrrPAUL P lrrBEEEJ B lrrHEATHER H lrrHEART
BigFMonster: Yes being able to get your graphic design
rrtycoon2: 37 degrees of graphic design.
r10pez10: people have OPINIONS man
Snowcookies: At least you can recreate a graphic, a photograph though
dappercuttlefish: I want to hear graphic design stories, so it works out lol
constablecrab: Yesss.. the things I've seen.
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Izandai: PrideLaugh
GapFiller: people just wanna share survivor stories
EldarLuin: This is Graphic Point!
constablecrab: Hey, tone down those opinions. You're making the rest of us with average opinions look bad.
Earthenone: time to make a discord channel for pissing contests?
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RockPusher: If you have a long thermos, can you develop higher water pressure?
Izandai: PrideLaugh
r10pez10: it's a show about graphic design
TheAinMAP: Hello. :)
Bellpei: It turns out Beej also wants to talk graphic design.
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djalternative: This is a graphic design review show, right?
prof_membrane: lrrHEART
TheMerricat: I actually sorta feel a bit blessed both companies I worked for in the past two decades had well defined marketing departments that were more than willing and able to work with you anytime you mentioned you needed to create something that involved the logo/company name.
RockPusher: Supplying files? Who remembers Microsoft Works… I remember Microsoft Works…
lirazel64: Wheee!
r10pez10: it's just a weird choice
prof_membrane: I know how to calm down the font arguments: ask programmers to choose the best programming font.
Izandai: It's just a very particular angle I guess?
r10pez10: wait i have a better joke
ItsAstridEh: throwing them under the protractor trailer
r10pez10: what's wrong with a 78 degree angle?? it ain't right!!
DarkAbyssKeeper: There are rounder numbers.
Izandai: @r10pez10 C+
Raiz0k: Multitrack drifting for the whole family?
Mysticman89: is 78 specifically worse than something like 79 or 77?
PharaohBender27: @r10pez10 katesLol
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Ignatiuspants: I really never consciously choose the angle of any design .. I just turn things and then try to match other things to those
Kikazi: @LoadingReadyRun Paul, if you don't mind, could you up your volume a bit? Not sure why you always tend to come through quieter than Beej and Heather.
MAPBoardgames: Thanks @badpandabear
RockPusher: gabyLul
Izandai: PrideLaugh
r10pez10: non spon
EldarLuin: Teal, black and red.... those are interesting colour choices....
DarkAbyssKeeper: Badvertising
r10pez10: how many logos will we get on screen today by the end, chat
PharaohBender27: Yeah, that's a heck of an angle to try to replicate
Nigouki: wait, yearbooks had ads?
TheMerricat: what Beej said
Nuurgle: always
PharaohBender27: @Nigouki Yeah
lirazel64: I think it's meant to suggest speed, but responsible speed?
MichaelVYee: yup
Nigouki: O_o
djalternative: yeah. Ads in yearbooks weren't a thing when I worked on yearbook
RockPusher: Is the arrow actually parallel to the R - 'cause if it is based off the font then the font designer is the source of the weird angle
Fofo57007: tnySquint
EldarLuin: Yeah. Ads weren't a thing in our yearbook....
ChrisGMiller: I'd tend to think having ads in a yearbook is not a time relevant thing, but more a how well funded is the school thing
Snowcookies: yeah, those ads are easier to layout design around
TheMerricat: Heather is a the shepard we don't deserve :D
Nigouki: ads in yearbooks sounds like a new level of hell of capitalism
EldarLuin: Are BC schools that poorly funded?
MichaelVYee: some schools just charge the students as part of the student fees
Lysander_Gustav: vectoring is annoying at times
ItsAstridEh: I mean, we had ads and we had to pay
Mai_Andra: My dinky little church school always had ads. We wouldn't have had one at all otherwise.
Fofo57007: hahaha
prof_membrane: What is the right tool for creating vector drawings nowadays? Corel has gone the way of the dodo.
GapFiller: not so subtle prod there Paul
LarkSachrosis: *boop*
Raiz0k: Peak Beej.
PharaohBender27: I can't remember offhand right now if I've seen old yearbooks with ads, but I've seen programs for events held by fraternities and such from like the 1920s that had plenty of ads in them
delta__vee: @EldarLuin this is in like 1992 or something
Nuurgle: Heather has regrets
r10pez10: quick chat, what is the angle of the point of the checkpoint arrow
MichaelVYee: adobe illustrator
Lysander_Gustav: Logo design is maddening at times
RockPusher: Paul readying the crook to pull Beej off stage
rrtycoon2: the Oscar band is playing.
Izandai: @Nigouki Why? It's just schools not getting enough funding.
EldarLuin: @delta__vee Yeah... that's my era of HS too.... We didn't have ads... but I'm from Ontario....
Raiz0k: Heather just outright engaging in Beej Rant DAMCON.
r10pez10: you never forget your first seventy-eight degree angle
Kikazi: but WHY!?
Kikazi: that's almost always the issue
djalternative: @r10pez10 looks like 60 both sides
Nigouki: Izandai well underfunded education is already a horrible problem
prof_membrane: @michaelvyee Illustrator will read a pixel image and trace it?
Lysander_Gustav: yeah, make sure your logos look right on letterheads and other things
delta__vee: @EldarLuin oic, yeah idk about the ads either
Snowcookies: Yeah
rrtycoon2: established 1978?
niccus: a font where the italics are not a consistent angle
TheMerricat: @eldarluin my us schools did the same, both in Ohio and Missouri and they charged for the book :)
Izandai: @Nigouki Agreed, but that's not got anything to do with capitalism.
ItsAstridEh: Nooooo! Let Beej do a TherapyPoint!
LarkSachrosis: Yes Beej, talk about stroke lengths lrrBEEJ
Nuurgle: 40 years since Beej was in HS...
badpandabear: Beej was born for one purpose...
Kikazi: @LoadingReadyRun volume much more equalized, thank you! lrrGOAT lrrSLOTH
prof_membrane: He Beej, 78° is 13/30 pi radians! Obvious
LordZarano: They probably just put the end of the line in kind of roughly the right place in Illustrator or something
EldarLuin: @TheMerricat We paid for our books too, and they were NICE books... Then again, maybe there were ads? What can I say... it was 21 years ago.... ... Get off my lawn!!!
GraphicsContent: Dang, tuned in right when they end the GD talk. Ah well.
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PharaohBender27: The "So lrrHEATHER wants to know what's wrong with Oshawott" bit cracked me up
Orgmastron: McDOnald's! \o/
ItsAstridEh: Are these meals that come with cards or cards that come with a small, crappy hamburger?
RockPusher: I can imagine an interaction with a Rosneau driver finding some rando measuring the side of their truck with a protractor :D
MichaelVYee: @prof_membrane sorry, bailed on graphic design and went into healthcare IT. the latest version might - i remember doing the logos in illustrator with the pixel logo pasted on a lower layer
code1300: there is only 25 regular then there is a foil of each too
Izandai: Or you could just go to a casino.
Lysander_Gustav: Some wild golden-ticket stuff going on
prof_membrane: Kk ty @michaelvyee
GapFiller: yeh at this lvl yr might as well just buy a lottery ticket
LordZarano: @Izandai or invest in some stocks
lirazel64: But is that food?
KV1NN4: yeah usually you can jsut buy the toy alone, normally
LarkSachrosis: On the other hand, McDonalds steals from its employees so...
EldarLuin: Yeah you can totally just buy the toy... Been there... done that... >.>
code1300: no the stopped that because of this pokemon problem
BigFMonster: i have not been in one for at least 4 years
Earthenone: i remember getting the toy alone when they did a similar promotion with yugioh cards
Izandai: @LordZarano I mean there's ways to invest in the stock market that aren't really gambling.
RockPusher: I mean, that is also true of some of their dipping sauces lrrBEEJ
prof_membrane: I never made it to McDonald’s. I got fired from Burger King.
Izandai: I have no snark for the people who give the food to homeless people.
Juliamon: I still have my raccoon Mario toy
TheMandrew: i remember the 101 dalmations toys
TheSilverGekko: tanooki mario?
NimrodXIV: I think I still have those Mario toys, lol
Snowcookies: I have a spyro crossover macD's toy still
Ignatiuspants: oh! Super Mario Bros. 3 toys! those were the best! ...according to fuzzy memories of 30 years ago!
TStodden: I remember those toys... I don't know where my Racoon Mario finger puppet has wander off...
LordZarano: Subject to Availability
DarkAbyssKeeper: At participating locations, while stocks last, your soul may be forfeit.
rrtycoon2: the only reason the McExecs are mad is having some of those cards stolen. People buying 100 happy meals and putting the food in the trash? They're cool with it.
EldarLuin: That's a bit sus
djalternative: yeah. they often don't even have enough of promotional food items they sell. See spicy chicken nuggets.
r10pez10: was the button "close counter"
code1300: no they put a limit because of the pokemon cards they will no do that any more
Lysander_Gustav: It's also possible that they didn't bother training the cashiers on how to access the right orders.
Ignatiuspants: when I was a kid, just buying the toy was $1 -- but I'd see why they might limit availability if there's a rush of collectors
misteline: you can still buy them separately. but it's possible tats a franchise by franchise thing
Lysander_Gustav: Sometimes they bury those commands deep in the menus, if they are bad at it
Raiz0k: I wonder if you can customize the food down to nothing with the new touchscreen self-service terminals.
r10pez10: we as twitch chat can provide that, beej
Izandai: Ultimately it might just be easier for everyone to buy the 25 happy meals and take the food to the local homeless shelter or whatever.
Juliamon: The Pokemon Company presumably
RockPusher: r10pez10 25 packets - that's easy - heck we could do 25 cups! lrrBEEJ
RunningMonkeys: the pokemon company international does cards here
r10pez10: none burger with left beef
LordZarano: PJSalt 🧂
Izandai: #KillTheReservedList
TheMerricat: @izandai except unless it's sealed most places won't take that sort of food as it could be tampered with or left out long enough to hav food poisoning concerns
RockPusher: Cheesburger sans sauce, patty, pickles, and bun
Izandai: @TheMerricat Oh, right. Harumph.
MAPBoardgames: Hasn't pushed the collectorness of it? "Gotta catch em all!"
tidehollowcat: The Pokémon TCG has a... weird ownership history, at one point actually being owned by WotC.
Juliamon: It's so weird seeing the McD's Pokemon chaos after having lived through the BK Pokemon chaos (yes of course I still have all my shiny Pokeballs with shiny 'gold' cards in them)
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DarkAbyssKeeper: Print more, keep getting your promotion working correctly, tank the value of the stuff people bought 25 meals for :P
code1300: yah it suppose to last till march but they think it will not
r10pez10: was a pretty cool. chill stream
Raiz0k: @LarkSachrosis : hah, good thing for the poor McD crew that you can't customize away the bag and the receipt, else they'd have a problem with actually proving the transaction being fulfilled.
Earthenone: !pkmn Pikachu V
LRRbot: Found 9 cards you could be referring to - please enter more of the name
RockPusher: Pokening cards
r10pez10: !pkmn rowlett
LRRbot: Can't find any card by that name
Snowcookies: James opened a pack for fun
Izandai: PrideLaugh
KV1NN4: cute pokemon c:
Snowcookies: so adorbs
RunningMonkeys: cute!
Orgmastron: That's abig Oshawott
RockPusher: lunarj1Heart lunarj1Heart lunarj1Heart
Izandai: PrideLaugh PrideLaugh PrideLaugh
RunningMonkeys: all 3!
GapFiller: but thats the ting Heather yr doing it for love not money
BigFMonster: It's so FLUFFY!
Ritaspirithntr: Oshawott is adorable and that’s all it needs!!
SnowBuddy18: a lot of things are wrong with Oshawa though
LordZarano: What was the cross-promotion that ruined the public image of Rick and Morty, was that McD too?
Mysticman89: The shwa does have a reputation as i understand it
mowdownjoe: I missed out on Gen5.
Snowcookies: I have one bad thing to say about Oshawa
electra310: Watching Beej reach through Paul is very weird
Earthenone: !pkmn snivy, tepig & oshawott
LRRbot: Can't find any card by that name
Lysander_Gustav: nice
Raiger: Paul wins the prize!
Izandai: @LordZarano Yeah, schezuan (spelling?) sauce.
EldarLuin: When I first watched Checkpoint, I thought they said Oshawa. "What's wrong with Oshawa?" lol
TheMerricat: @lordzarano wasn't even a cross promotion. Rick mentioned an old no longer produced sauce from a mulan promotion
Izandai: Mulan promotion.
r10pez10: imagine buying tickets for pokemon
RockPusher: Time to find out how much a pokemon compresses
TheSilverGekko: please tell me the ticket was for the S.S.Anne
r10pez10: get in yoUR BALL
Raiz0k: Smart!
BlueMechanic: The Oshawatt looks snuggly
Earthenone: spacebag pokeballs, get on it nintendo
r10pez10: "suck these things until they're compressed"
iris_of_ether: That is so bloody cute
TheMerricat: pokemon cruelty!
RockPusher: lunarj1Heart lunarj1Heart lunarj1Heart
GapFiller: *points Big *points near the camera /fatherted
Raiz0k: Pokemon efficiency!
Izandai: Yeah, and then Rick & Morty fans were like "Bring this sauce back" which is fairly reasonable and McDonald's was like "We're bringing the sauce back" which is totally reasonable and then the R&M fans lost their fucking minds, which was not reasonable.
Laserbeaks_Fury: No Pokey honorable mention?
r10pez10: !addquote (Beej) [Now] This is so normal that I'm doing this.
LRRbot: New quote #7498: "This is so normal that I'm doing this." —Beej [2021-02-12]
Wolfstrike_NL: The wrong cactus? Was one of the trunks(?) on a 48 degrees corner?
r10pez10: physical props!
RockPusher: Beej deployed rant! It was super effective!
Raiz0k: Only some fans. You know, the ones who *actually* believe "you have to have a high IQ to enjoy R&M".
dappercuttlefish: the ign watermark cover made me lose it
DarkAbyssKeeper: This is Catharsispoint
Loonatic93: !uptime
LRRbot: The stream has been live for 30:23.
TheMerricat: Beej Stories are like Hobbit Adventures, you start off just walking to the edge of the driveway to take out the trash and end up throwing rings into Mt. Doom
ghost_user_1984: Can we talk about the fact that McDonalds brought back the good hot sauce?
Izandai: @Raiz0k Yeah, it is worth remembering that almost all R&M fans are not fucking lunatics.
Raiz0k: True, true :D.
GapFiller: ohhh tfw yr mockup makes it to final product
RockPusher: gabyLul
EldarLuin: Heather face plants into a pokemon. lol
Raiz0k: @GapFiller : yeah, you can bet it was like "I can't be arsed to remove it.... meh, probably someone's going to remove it down the line, right? <press send>"
GapFiller: Raiz0k Izandai the kinda fans who say 'I am Rick' w/o a trace of self awareness
Izandai: Mmm-hmm
r10pez10: do not hug the cactus
MAPBoardgames: Barrel cactus
Earthenone: beej's backlog- hunt for red cactober
TStodden: Not hugging cactus in general is a GOOD IDEA as some of them have very fine & nearly invisible spines.
MAPBoardgames: <is from Arizona, therefore knows their cacti.
InkyGhoast: they shouldve just had the cactus be a pokey
r10pez10: cactus fact: if the spines come out of little clusters in groups, it's a cactus. otherwise it's just a succulent
Raiz0k: @GapFiller : to which the best reply is "no, you are Jerry", *but* the best action is to slowly back away while maintaining eye contact.
BigFMonster: yep Ori is great
r10pez10: haven't heard the phrase "tromp l'oiel" in a hot minute
Relentless_Bread: beej is looking like the ancient alien guy when he is talking about cactus
Raiz0k: Hollow Knight has good graphics design in that regard.
Laserbeaks_Fury: Man I should play Hollow KNight again
floki4242: fish robot
r10pez10: does that mean they cast a shadow on the ground then?
Laserbeaks_Fury: yeah ooph
Lysander_Gustav: Ah, ubisoft
Izandai: oh no
PharaohBender27: Welp
SnowBuddy18: I mean, Abstergo is canonical in Watchdogs
PharaohBender27: katesWot
Izandai: oh nooooo
Raiz0k: Formally, a small part of your mass *did* run over there....
Snowcookies: oh my
Izandai: why would they do thaaaaat
RockPusher: benginFacepalm gabyFacepalm jlrrFacepalm
Raiz0k: Oh no.
Laserbeaks_Fury: The dodge roll is different in a lof os souls-ish 3rd person game and it SUCKS
dappercuttlefish: uh oh
SnowBuddy18: but, like, why?
Izandai: why would they do that to their playeeeeers
Mai_Andra: Assassin's Creed significantly changed their control scheme at least twice. That was early, though. But it really threw me off at the time...
Izandai: X is jump in BOTW yeah
ShaneLeeAtk: It is
MAPBoardgames: Back in MY day, you needed a feather to jump!
Izandai: B is running
Scy_Anide: Just don't ever map L3 or R3 to something I need to hit on reflex.
Izandai: ^
SnowBuddy18: ^
Laserbeaks_Fury: Clearly we need more buttons
Raiz0k: I wonder if controller controls are more susceptible to this kind of BS-ery with muscle memory than keyboard controls.
SnowBuddy18: @Laserbeaks_Fury clearly we need more fingers to press more buttons
dappercuttlefish: keyboard controls are more likely to be remappable, so weird schemes are less of a problem even when they happen
Izandai: We put a bunch of our fingers on the back of the controller. Controller devs just never put any buttons there.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: UX is hard but yeah considering the expectations/assumptions of the audience is very important
SnowBuddy18: what about controls on IRL things and not video games? sometimes the people who designed those controls had no idea what they were doing either
LordZarano: Raiz0k In Garry's Mod the open-item-menu button is Q. That messed me up in Minecraft for a long time, I kept throwing everything when I wanted to open the inventory
Raiz0k: @dappercuttlefish : I was thinking about how your preconceptions/muscle memory interact between the different input devices, specifically due the amount of buttons as well as other contexts (i.e. typing for keybard). But that's a fair point.
GapFiller: OH
Izandai: @LordZarano I think I changed the inventory button in The Long Dark to E because Minecraft.
GapFiller: well thanks for that Heather cz I'm gonna need a moment to recover from that one
Raiz0k: Oh no, that would f me up as well LordZarano :D. But that's actually a good example, since Q is often used so much in so many mappings.
SnowBuddy18: I drive a forklift at work and the horn is mapped to a button on the bottom pinky knuckle
GraphicsContent: Amen!
Izandai: And I think I changed the map button in Enter the Gungeon to tab because that's what it is in Binding of Isaac.
Creideiki_SE: I listened to a rant from a UX designer who worked on airplane cockpits. One customer airline wanted "up = on". Another wanted "forward = on". Now consider buttons on the ceiling, and weep.
Lysander_Gustav: That was sort of what happened with Mass Effect Andromeda
Lysander_Gustav: And Anthem
dappercuttlefish: @Raiz0k Oh, true! That thing about context makes me wonder if this problem hits less for people who play a lot of games versus people who play one or two at a time for an extended period
r10pez10: !onemore
GapFiller: this is the one where LRR was founded right Paul?
Raiz0k: The worst thing is the thing Beej said, that doesn't always work that way on any level (professional, monetary, etc.).
SnowBuddy18: @Creideiki_SE yeah, IRL UX is even more of a nightmare than game UX
Kikazi: often times, those marketing materials (logos and the company rules governing their use) are available _somehwere_ on their internal web-portal or servers, ...
Lysander_Gustav: oh no
r10pez10: "yeah just scale it up"
PharaohBender27: Right, I remember learning a few months back lrrPAUL actually worked on what used to be the main exhibit at the museum I work at
PharaohBender27: katesPalm
Snowcookies: smh
Izandai: OH MY GOD
Lysander_Gustav: the whole copy of a copy horror
EldarLuin: Yeah.... expected.... sad, but excepted
PharaohBender27: I'm really hoping this wasn't the place I work at where this happened
Raiz0k: @dappercuttlefish : yeah, that's what I'm wondering about as well! Probably only way to be sure is to walk into a basement and stay there playing games for a year or so. Good times for that!
Lysander_Gustav: Did they project the slide and then photograph the projection?
r10pez10: TIL paul drumscanning for microfishe
RockPusher: ooof
Izandai: OH MY GOD
LordZarano: Oh no I remember this story
PharaohBender27: Oh NNNNOOOOOOOO
Lysander_Gustav: oh noooo
Izandai: I'M SO MAD
Raiz0k: xD
SnowBuddy18: oh god no
EldarLuin: Wow...
Snowcookies: powhy
GraphicsContent: JESUS
TheExplodedGamer: Ahhhh!
GraphicsContent: WHAT
juzztshay: benginSpoop
KodeMage: wow, just wow.
josh___something: Whyyy
djalternative: nonononononono
Izandai: how does this happen NotLikeThis
Raiz0k: That's getting very close to the ruling champion, i.e. the "Web 0.1" story from The Daily WTF.
Earthenone: telephone is a dangerous game
juzztshay: benginOh benginNo
KodeMage: how can a person be that dumb and still be employed in the first place.
GraphicsContent: Terrible game of telephone and graphics.
EldarLuin: You had one job! lol
GapFiller: I've heard Paul tell this story many times before and STILL after all this time my response is just jlrrFacepalm
Raiz0k: Yeah, absolutely they should have.
SnowBuddy18: this is why you need to talk to the person who is going to go do the thing
TheMerricat: @kodemage dumb or indifferent.
CururuGuasu: The worst is asking for screenshots and then getting a phone photo of the monitor pasted into a Word file
Lysander_Gustav: no questions asked policy
SnowBuddy18: and not someone who is going to tell someone to do the thing
r10pez10: you gotta give the client what they ask for
Mai_Andra: "Well, okay, but..." -Milton
Raiz0k: Almost as if that effect gets amplified.
LordZarano: If they're paying you for it...
NotCainNorAbel: It isn't even that I'm not paid to question it. It is that I'm yelled at for questioning the problem.
EldarLuin: If you're charging money.... you double check with them....
KodeMage: I bet the buy who did it gave them the royal, "are you sure you want to do that?"
GraphicsContent: The chain of "I'm not paid enough" people
RockPusher: Yep
RockPusher: at some point you just stop caring
LarkSachrosis: Or they got snapped at because they talked back
misteline: also if the come back they have to pay again
ShaneLeeAtk: You work just hard enough to not get fired.
KodeMage: @ShaneLeeAtk the peter principle?>
r10pez10: did capcom really get hacked last year? i missed that
Raiz0k: One thing you didn't mention is that they have backups (allegedly), so the only risk for them is the source code leak.
KodeMage: rise to your level of incompetence
Phyinx: CDPR got CyberPunk'd quebLUL
Orgmastron: ^
lirazel64: I had a worse thing happen... ask me about scans of mammogram images put on slides because the doctor wanted slides... or maybe don't
RockPusher: Dunno what anyone thinks they are gonna make bake for their $7 mill
RockPusher: *back
Crokoking: doesn't make you confident in the multiplayer Cyberpunk that's supposed to come
ashteranic: a *lot* of companies get hit with the whole 'oops i got phished/scammed out of all the tax W2 forms for our employees"
KodeMage: What would a source code leak even do at this point? In this day and age people are decompiling the game for fun and it's already cracked and on file sharing sites.
Phyinx: Apparently GWENT's source code got leaked somewhere from the auction
ShaneLeeAtk: @KodeMage The Peter Principle is you rise to the level of your highest incompatence.
RockPusher: Game source not particularly useful to turn into revenue
LordZarano: If you make a game with hacking in in that's probably gonna attract people who like hacking
ashteranic: or generic automated ransomware
KodeMage: @ShaneLeeAtk sounds about like what you were talking about
ShaneLeeAtk: @KodeMage I was thinking of the interview with the Bobs from Office Space.
Raiz0k: *Allegedly* at least some CDPR employers got calls to the tune "this is bank X, we want you confirm you apply for the loan".
djalternative: I've always been told, "If you have a credit/debit card, the number's already been stolen. The only question is when will it get sold to someone who'll use it."
ashteranic: targeted attacks are less common, but definitely happen, either from corporate espionage or ideological attacks
KodeMage: @ShaneLeeAtk ah, yeah, similar things
KodeMage: I bet whoever wrote that was familiar, isn't that book form like the 80's?
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ashteranic: "If you don't keep an internal archive, it can't be stolen" <smartly tapping head meme>
djalternative: like, the quantity of stolen data on the black market is astronomical. It's far more of a question of when someone'll buy it.
Izandai: Diamond hands!
EldarLuin: Look with your eyes,... not with your hands!
Raiz0k: @djalternative : the problem is you can easily get a loan using only data in your personal ID, and every adult in Poland has a personal ID by law.
RockPusher: gabyLul
Izandai: PrideLaugh
KeytarCat: Beej trying to get through a thought that's already realistically moot is great
delta__vee: in this thought experiment a company practices cyberpunk instead of just performing it
MichaelVYee lowers pitchfork :p
RockPusher: $7mil for a bunch of source and the privileged of being investigated by global authorities
Raiz0k: Counterpoint: they hacked into their Perforce server, which probably also contained information on their software build chain.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: Ubisoft would jsut port the assets into the same engine they use for everything else anyway Kappa
KodeMage: reconciling dependencies is a lit easier than it used to be. cdpr probably uses a tool so replicating that is not that hard.
Raiz0k: But as Beej already said, there are other reasons there's not going to be a clone.
PixelArtDragon: When they say "source code" do they mean the game engine, the scripts, or the in-house tools (which are the really important proprietary things)?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: but you can for sure rip out assets and save you time on some particular things though beej
EpiiMeth: "We're gonna make our own Cyberpunk with blackjack and hookers... Wait what do you mean it already has those?"
TheMerricat: and it's for the personal data to resell on the dark web for identity theft
SodaTAddict: ubisoft has to run it through Add_watchtower_climbing.exe
djalternative: or for the employee data. I can see $7 mil for that
Raiz0k: Again, all signs point into the personal data already being sold.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: all the OTher reasons not to do it are way more compelling than saving time on work
Lysander_Gustav: and make themselves vulnerable to ransomware too
KodeMage: It's not like anyone can actually use the source code for anything... they'd be caught pretty easily it would seem
GraphicsContent: @TheMerricat users or employees? Both?
MAPBoardgames: You don't get to be an evil upper manager by being a stupid evil upper manager
NullColaShip: It also sets a precedent that stealing game source is a profitable activity because other game companies will buy it, which I doubt any game developer wants to happen
TheMerricat: @graphicscontent CDPR claims no user info stolen.
GraphicsContent: Hm.
Lysander_Gustav: how exactly do they 'get it back?"
Raiz0k: No user info yes, and no insider information saying otherwise, but employee information, yes.
GraphicsContent: Big claim, but they're being so transparent so I'd be inclined to believe them.
GraphicsContent: Oh jeeze, those poor developers. They are getting so kicked around.
TwitchTVsFrank: they did encrypt it
Lysander_Gustav: The problem with blackmail is that you don't pay them just once
TehAmelie: if you made a game with stolen code you could go to double jail
TheMerricat: anyone remember the whole Valve hack/FBI honeypot where the hacker thought valve was going to give them a job?
Raiz0k: @GraphicsContent : as said before, there are allegedly already attempts of loan fraud in their names.
SquareDotCube: more like "argh" for its investors! Kappa
BigFMonster: This story interests me the most
TehAmelie: for theft and intellectual property theft
NonUniqueGuy: Soon as I heard about that, I knew it was going to be on Checkpoint.
Pteraspidomorphi: I suspect they just don't have any
Izandai: It's a *strong* statement.
Phyinx: Google, bad at customer support? To the surprise of no-one Kappa
Raiz0k: It's a *slow clap* grade statement.
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Izandai: It's not about the money, it's about sending a message.
GapFiller: the more cynical among us might wonder if Google are doing stuff like this on purpose to smother Stadia in its crib
Lysander_Gustav: Freaking monopoly megacorps
TehAmelie: point of order: you're not google's customer. you're their product
Raiz0k: I mean, they did drop their dev team a week ago GapFiller....
Raiz0k: Also applies to Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, TikTok, etc. etc. etc.
Lysander_Gustav: eugh
LordZarano: Making them unable to access GMail is TERRIFYING
KodeMage: that's why you shouldn't mix business accounts and personal accounts, smh
Raiz0k: Oh, are you people also getting new adverts of Google's standalone password manager?
Capt_clown: Boston Dynamic,...ad infinitum
KodeMage: why is your youtube account and your gmail account the same account? that's just asking for disaster.
RockPusher: Did you sign up for your account before you were 13? Did you lie about your age? Better hope you aren't still using that account when they find out.
GapFiller: KodeMage cant help but feel thats blaming the victim here
Capt_clown: Fuck Facebook. nuff said
Peter200lx: What about accounts that are "only one per person" like facebook?
Landgraft: i try so hard not to let things be linked but so much modern tech tries to force it
Raiz0k: @Capt_clown : you wake up one morning, and the last thing you see is a Spot robot, holding a butcher's knife, projecting "You have violated Google Earth ToS. You are now banned".
MAPBoardgames: I had this exact situation with an issue with google play store and google Fi (phone service). Now I can use neither. I put 3 months and 83 contacts (phone calls, emails, even a letter) to arrive at sorry, you can't use these services anymore.
TheDailyMapleSyrup: that sucks
Raiz0k: Yeah, can you even send issue IDs to a non-Google e-mail?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: all your 2FA too
KodeMage: Why are you not running your own email account at your own domain name?
Izandai: @KodeMage Dude. Come on.
MAPBoardgames: My situation was an issue with the play store, Fi was unrelated.
GapFiller: KodeMage how many people own their own domains?
KodeMage: seriously, when I was in business school this was business 101?
Capt_clown: Smells like it's time for some good old trust busting
KodeMage: so you're portected from depending on others?
KodeMage: for exactly this reason!
GapFiller: it feels this whole argument is at a certain lvl in bad faith
Raiz0k: E-mail servers and domain servers are two different things.
NullColaShip: Running your own mail server is not really a viable proposition these days, especially for a small business
ashiok_nightmare_moose: business requires good relationships period
Izandai: @KodeMage The past 10,000 years of humanity have been built on relying on others. It's not actually possible to exist in the modern world without relying on others.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: you cant get around that
KodeMage: isn't there a gmail for business that you pay for and has resolution for this stuff? the last place I worked at had that.
LordZarano: I need to maybe start looking at other email services. What's the current hotness, Photon Mail?
EvilGamr: Paul clones obviously
GapFiller: there also feels like a certain amount of defending the Megacorp to this argument
KodeMage: the thing I don't have sympathy for is using something designed for personal use for business use because it's free.
RockPusher: In terms of nuance - there is a difference between standard consumer Gmail and Google Suite/Cloud/Whatever they are calling it
TracteurBlinde: As long as you weren't using google domains :)
djalternative: this is why I have 5 emails over 4 services
Raiz0k: @KodeMage : imagine being a small Internet biz starting out "just for fun", or "just to test the waters", and consider the optimal decision paths re cost and time. That should answer your question.
TehAmelie: proton mail is the standard non-google option
Pteraspidomorphi: Never get hosting and domain name from the same company
RockPusher: so business email has a little bit more in the way of access to remediation
Izandai: @KodeMage Where is it written that Gmail is only for personal use?
couldntpickausername: my university is gmail
KodeMage: @Izandai pretty sure it's one of the first lines in teh TOS actually.
LordZarano: LRR existed before YouTube though
Capt_clown: If a business is adversely effected by the actions of another company though osmosis THAT is a problem
Raiz0k: @KodeMage : there's absolutely a "Google for Business" offering, but you bet your ass it's still Google.
TheMerricat: Paying for it isn't protection from Google closing everything down if the TOS flag you.
Raiz0k: And as you see, LRR are using that.
PharaohBender27: Oh dear
SodaTAddict: mmm spam.
EldarLuin: oops
KodeMage: @Raiz0k and they have a phone number you can call to fix account issues. I've seen it happen at the last place I worked.
Drasvin: Some big places will still use outside services. my work uses microsoft's email services as part of their office 365 package
MAPBoardgames: Take this as a warning: don't use Google drive for your irreplaceable data incase you run into trouble with any other Google service.
ashteranic: a lot of businesses grow up from very bad administrative practices and it takes an incident like this to get them to 'grow up' properly
Pteraspidomorphi: These days spamassassin seems to be doing better than gmail does at filtering spam sent directly to my gmail. Spammers just got too good
TheMerricat: @kodemage see you are missing the exact point that he's been trying to use those numbers to fix the problem
KodeMage: you get what you pay for and gmail is free.
KeytarCat: Oh hey, Beej describing block chain?
GapFiller: KodeMage and what if yr call that number and get nothing?
Field94: The much more common and seemingly unavoidable comparison is when Amazon Web Services go down because reasons. Your business can be nonfunctional because Amazon offers a service that crumples because, reasons
Ignatiuspants: this is a crappy situation, and I want to blame capitalism
GapFiller: whats yr recourse then?
Izandai: @KodeMage Fat lot of good that phone number did the Terraria devs.
KodeMage: @GapFiller then don't pay the bill next time, they'll call you.
lirazel64: Amazon didn't own Twitch, yet here we are.
RockPusher: There is also something to be said that this sort of thing is a little more US-centric as most other parts of the world have stronger protections that can't be contracted away
SodaTAddict: but Stadia is the future, Google told me so, over and over...
Raiz0k: @KodeMage : I suspect that issue was related to billing, right? And otherwise, very probably not ToS flags?
KodeMage: if it's a gmail account then they don't have that number guys, it's not a business account...
djalternative: Now we all praise daddy bezos
PharaohBender27: @Ignatiuspants I mean, monopolies are the real-life endpoint of capitalism, so I think you sure can blame capitalism
KodeMage: everything I read said this was a normal gmail account
Snowcookies: Google for Business account is still a Gmail account
misteline: @kodemage the terraria guy didn't just get locked out of his Gmail account. he lost stuff they paid for too.
Capt_clown: When an algorithm can destroy a business something is fucked up
KodeMage: no, at least in the interface, they are explicitly different things, same with goodle for education
lirazel64: GSuite is expensive and really hard to administer.
NullColaShip: @kodemage Most people just say "Gmail" when taking about whatever Google are calling their business offering this week, because it's still Google-provided email
Pteraspidomorphi: Youtube, Chrome and a few others could probably be separated out
Kazman20a: I believe that google needs to be broken up, at least some of it
KodeMage: @Capt_clown he mentioned personal app purchases, that sounds like a personal gmail account.
GapFiller: KodeMage different things same company its a distinction w/o difference
djalternative: I think it'd be a Google office separated from other things
Izandai: Sometimes there's no good reason for multiple companies to be doing something. There's no reason for multiple companies to be providing electricity in the same area.
KodeMage: @GapFiller I disagree there. They are different teams within the company if nothing else.
CururuGuasu: Remember: Google dropped “Don’t be evil” as their motto years ago
GapFiller: oooh Goldeneye
PharaohBender27: @Izandai IIRC, that's what's called a "Natural Monopoly"
Izandai: I think you're right.
TehAmelie: that's when you want public services
djalternative: Goldeneye Source?
Izandai: The thing is, in those cases, oftentimes that just means it's something the government should be running.
SodaTAddict: Goldeneye Source is just the multiplayer though, innit?
TheMerricat: the biggest news about this story that got me was apparently Xbox had its own file sharing network for dev's where they were just posting their own source code for each other
Raiz0k: @KodeMage : whether it's the same interfaces or not changes over time, Google's been doing business (i.e. paid for) offerings that had an exact same interface as the free tiers for most of its existence. I know, because I've used those.
KodeMage: good word, quagmire, reminds me of how the comic book movies used to be
ItsAstridEh: James Bond is public domain in Canada now!
PixelArtDragon: Is this is now a bonus FRWL episode?
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SodaTAddict: don't forget the likeness licensing!
MAPBoardgames: Watch "From Rewatch with Love" for more discussions on weird Bond licensing shenanigans.
PharaohBender27: @PixelArtDragon katesLol
SodaTAddict: From Chillpoint With Love
ItsAstridEh: So is Mickey Mouse, but I don't think any of us have the courage to try it because we'd most likely be the person blamed for ruining Canadian copyright law
accountmadeforants: Just let the adults start working while the toddlers fling license agreements at one another.
Raiz0k: @ItsAstridEh : you mean select books, or movies?
Raiz0k: (re Bond)
Izandai: OOPS
GapFiller: always a great start
SodaTAddict: I imagine that meeting of license holders to look exactly like the SPECTRE meeting in Thunderball.
KodeMage: wait, what?
KodeMage: too violent?
EldarLuin: Bond? Violent? Never!
SodaTAddict: with Nintendo as #1 and Microsoft as Largo.
djalternative: The Assassin is to violent?
TheMerricat: the entire game is out there and it's almost 100%complete
ItsAstridEh: @Raiz0k Ian Fleming's works are public domain now
TheMerricat: t
Izandai: bwah bwah
SodaTAddict: "Guys, did we forget to invite Nintendo?" "OH CRAP - "
KodeMage: too real, oh yeah
SnowBuddy18: they threw a tantrum because they got accidentally forgotten
ItsAstridEh: And so is Walt Disney
lirazel64: Evil fairy not invited.
Raiz0k: @ItsAstridEh : ah, great!
NotCainNorAbel: this is every naming standard meeting I'm in
Lysander_Gustav: Ah yes, the reason why everything was going so well because this person wasn't there
KodeMage: never schedule planning meetings when anyone's supervisor is on vacation...
Izandai: Or they're just petulant about not being invited the first time.
ItsAstridEh: And one of the few things Disney can't argue was a "team effort", is the character of mickey mouse
KeytarCat: My family has a tendency to assume we've come to a decision when none of us actually stated how we thought the convo ended
ItsAstridEh: But it's been public domain for years and no one has tried it to my knowledge
accountmadeforants: I've been that person, to be fair. Catching up on (stupid) things people just decided on and having to send about a thousand e-mails to pump the brakes.
TheMerricat: the copy was apparently downloadef from an official dev only xbox 'filesharing' network that they appearently used to use to show each other what they were working on
KodeMage: could it be simply because they weren't included in the original deal meeting, lol
NullColaShip: More importantly, they don't know who *wasn't* at the meeting
Izandai: PrideLaugh
KeytarCat: O_o
GapFiller: and hey we covered that
Izandai: That is a GREAT news reference.
SodaTAddict: don't worry everyone, give it another 20 years for all of the rights holders to be under one giant umbrella and we can get our remaster.
GapFiller: quite recently
Capt_clown: Don't tempt them!
r10pez10: there was a fan mod/redo of it in Source engine
KodeMage: I've played in that dystopian cyberpunk future I think, microsoft owns nintendo....
Raiz0k: We'll stop laughing when Google acquires *both* MS and Nintendo ;).
TheMerricat: @raiz0k Amazon
Revelia: that is correct, my brother bought that
KodeMage: @Raiz0k I was thinking sony was the classic company to do that but exactly!
NullColaShip: Yeah, I have that too, haven't played it at all as far as I can remember.
graal_smith: This camera set up makes Paul look like he's the obnoxious third wheel.
EldarLuin: THey were only released in Japan Nintedo store.... >.>
TStodden: Goldeneye made you the Man with the Golden Controller...
SodaTAddict: I wonder how they got the licensing for that Goldeneye: Rogue Agent game in the ps2 era. maybe just the name was fine?
r10pez10: with the current goggles of level design, Goldeneye's levels are actually kind of bad for multiplayer shooters
SnowBuddy18: The Man with the Golden Wiimote
EldarLuin: They sold out crazy quickly
TehAmelie: The Man with the Golden Fun
TehAmelie: (Disco Elysium reference!)
Capt_clown: Wasn't MS owning Nintendo the basis behind Mad Max? LUL LUL
accountmadeforants: Goldeneye did indeed come with a Gold Classic Controller, just to confirm.
EldarLuin: Part of it got made.... so far
Izandai: And it's great!
Izandai: It's not a turn-based RPG.
Izandai: But Final Fantasy games haven't been turn-based RPGs for a while now.
EldarLuin: Just like The Hobbit broken into three movies... >>
Jean_Jacques_EB: it was my understanding that the no came from aeon productions (the people behind the movies) they were against it because they wanted a unified image for Bond, so no Brosnan as bond but Craig, that was also the reason why the WII remake came with Craig as Bond and not Pierce Brosnan
KaleidoscopeMind: And then a prequel 0.2
SnowBuddy18: don't forget chapter 0
Camail: they do half of the rest of the game, every game
Izandai: And the important thing is that FF7R is an amazing game.
Raiz0k: @TheMerricat @KodeMage : both good choices for different reasons, but had to riff off on the previous theme you know :).
KeytarCat: FF7R 358 Days/2
EldarLuin: Awwww warm feelings
r10pez10: uhh
grax_strife: Oh Yeah! Kingdom Hearts in coming to PC finally.
Capt_clown: Helicopter?
Izandai: Ah yes, Warcrime Mode!
GapFiller: the couple that slays together stays together eh
accountmadeforants: The Goldeneye limited edition box: https://i.imgur.com/ikAeBwI.png
PharaohBender27: @EldarLuin I believe that warm feeling is the bullet that just hit you Kappa
Lysander_Gustav: oh dear
r10pez10: lmao
Raiz0k: ALSO a war crime.
KeytarCat: "If you're gonna kill someone, just don't take their dogtags" - Paul
SnowBuddy18: interesting thing I didn't know, but what's 1 more war crime in CoD?
Snowcookies: lmao
Stoffern: Thats not what a kiss is
Izandai: For those who don't know: Dogtags are so that bodies can be identified no matter how unrecognizable they are.
Foxsploder: "Can You Violate The Geneva Conventions" is a great twitter.
kat2kool: Needs cupid skins for the player
EldarLuin: @PharaohBender27 Plus the blood leaking from the wound...
r10pez10: kiss your enemies i guess
KeytarCat: I mean, teabagging
Lysander_Gustav: so, it was going to be a gift they were going to give to their loved one, and someone loots it from their body instead?
Capt_clown: Butt stuff what?
Stoffern: Cupid modernised
Raiz0k: @Izandai : not only for that, they also contain critical medical data. And "left for dead" is a thing.
Raiz0k: (but yeah, mostly for ID)
EldarLuin: So romantic....
RandomTrivia: """""Hidden"""""
grax_strife: Borderlands 3 has sniper rifle called the Wedding Invitation.
Raiz0k: xD
DoodlestheGreat: wat
SodaTAddict: suddenly things took a very Destiny turn
niccus: oh, like for jfk!
r10pez10: xx, your secret admirer
Juliamon: That's a whole new level of yandere
EldarLuin: Plus laser scope!
Lysander_Gustav: Love is shooting someone in the knee from 700 yards
kat2kool: I want a gillie suit but it's hot pink
Kazman20a: ahh an new way to stlak...
Capt_clown: Do they have limited edition crotchless outfits too?
PharaohBender27: @niccus lrrWOW
Raiz0k: Someone clip that!
Foxsploder: "Notice me, sempai!" *BANG*
RandomTrivia: A bullet with your name on it, and a concerning number of kisses
NonUniqueGuy: What holidays should war games take part in?
DoodlestheGreat: Cam would prefer a Stellaris mod where the final problem is lots of candy harts.
Earthenone: everyone could have axes
KeytarCat: I want Ent skins in Titanfall
EldarLuin: Not vets day... no...
ashiok_nightmare_moose: Oak-K 47
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TheMerricat: Amistice Day
AdamYMHMI: Groundhogs Day
TwitchTVsFrank: family day
SquareDotCube: Everyone except one player is a tree, and the one that's not has an axe
r10pez10: i'm awake!
accountmadeforants: Surely Gundere is a thing and that is what that gun is made for?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: Elm 249
KeytarCat: @ashiok_nightmare_moose yooo PrideHeyyy
Landgraft: it's 10:30 in australia
Lysander_Gustav: War games on military holidays seems like a bad idea
SnowBuddy18: Bastille Day Kappa
karpma: its like 10:30 is aus
Landgraft: why would we be asleep
EldarLuin: That's NOPE
Capt_clown: This is def a bit too tone deaf IMHO
Izandai: PrideLaugh
dividesBy0: Yes, very awake this fine mid-morning here
fireiceair1989: is aus. its 9:30am
NullColaShip: It's the middle of the day here in New Zealand, Beej
RockPusher: Beej just dumpstering the kiwis there
ashiok_nightmare_moose: Pine mm
shinycrochet: tqsLol it's 10:30am
CraftyandDevious: nah man it's brunch time here in Australia
PharaohBender27: @TheMerricat Armistice *is* what Veteran's Day is - they just changed the name in the US after World War II
KeytarCat: Tone deaf, but I'm not writing it off
ChrisGMiller: All holidays are made up paul
EldarLuin: Hey, as a retail worker... I get it off. It's a holiday. T_T
kat2kool: k, but for the arbor day thing where everyone's a tree could they also re-enact the final battle of Macbeth? pls?
SodaTAddict: hey maybe that "Return to Fallujah" game that's re-coming out will do all this.
r10pez10: turns out chillpoint is saturday morning ANZAC tv
SAJewers: that's probably why Nova Scotia calls it "Heritage Day"
Raiz0k: Seriously 'though, standards have been broken ever since "press F to pay respects".
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r10pez10: getting it installed is the first boss
kat2kool: @r10pez10 gives new meaning to "and now the game truly begins"
accountmadeforants: Stuff like this and rollback for Melee are peak "Fine, I'll do it myself".
MichaelVYee: Lol bibimbapasianglow
Field94: see: Dark Souls 2 and Scholar of The First Sin
Banrael: cheer350 Rarely get to be here for Chillpoint live, have some bits :D
SpoonfullOfSugar: didn't one of the soulslike games actually have something in the game tied to fps?
Juliamon: People will buy it anyway
SodaTAddict: durability, yeah
GapFiller: SpoonfullOfSugar yeh its in the code
GapFiller: for the core engine which all the games run on iirc
Izandai: PrideLaugh
KeytarCat: I kinda want a souls-y FPS with some superhot mechanics?
kat2kool: honestly, respect
accountmadeforants: SpoonfullOfSugar Oh yes, and they didn't bother to fix it for PC either, fun times.
ashiok_nightmare_moose: they did like the prepare to die edition when it came to pc so im sure that sorta thing will be fine again
KeytarCat: I think I'm thinking of a non-run-based Heavy Bullet
MAPBoardgames: Probably better to wait until the next technology to come out to remake Bloodborne rather than just 60 FPS
PharaohBender27: Party339 Happy Lunar New Year! #OxGangRepresent
Field94: to be fair to From, they didnt do the Demon's Soul remake ye?
ashiok_nightmare_moose: seems like theyre doing better each time too
Izandai: That's an attitude that makes you look awesome when you make good stuff and makes you look like a stupid egotistical asshole when you make badd stuff.
KeytarCat: Like desert bus! :P
GapFiller: PharaohBender27 lrrCOW lrrCOW lrrCOW OxGang OxGang
SquareDotCube: We could use more of the "we don't care, but ambivalent" attitude against haters with little nitpicks, really
kat2kool: *something something season one mumble*
Izandai: Smart move, Heather.
Raiz0k: Also, the sketches are amusing regardless of equipment, lighting, etc. etc.
MichaelVYee: All that complaining when you redid the keyboard video.
Izandai: IIRC Nintendo didn't make OOT and Majora's Mask 3D.
GapFiller: the one time LRR DID remake a sketch is the exception which proves the rule here it feels
Juliamon: something something reconstruct the lost Phailhaus episode
EldarLuin: Speaking of graphics...
kat2kool: @MichaelVYee maaaaann people got so upset about that
TheMerricat: Comadore Hustle Seasons 1-3 in 4k next year everyone! Heather Promised!!!!
SquareDotCube: Yeah... I've been in the same spot as Graham and Beej
ewhac: "Give us a copy of your entire CVS/Subversion repo."
accountmadeforants: And the ability to know when to call it quits and just rebuild things from scratch.
Raiz0k: @TheMerricat : screw 4k, 360 VR 4k!
SkipIives: And finding those assets. Because in many cases they weren’t archived correctly.
0x6772: Oh, woof… storing video game sprites etc in CVS is... yikes.
ewhac: Yeah, which is why is almost never happened. (Even worse in RCS.)
EldarLuin: Shocker
GapFiller: shocked. I am shocked I tell yr
0x6772: Hey, man, you're the one who suggested it. :^>
TheMerricat: always use SVN for binary file versioning chat. at least it does deltas instead of just storing each new version as a single blob
Izandai begins praying for BOTW2 news
DoodlestheGreat: E3CONline... wat
Creideiki_SE: Isn't that why Perforce isn't dead yet? Because it has plugins for 3D Studio/Maya/....
MAPBoardgames: But will they have booth babes?
MichaelVYee: The remake of the telltale Sam and max game had the developers personal stores to find assets.
Izandai: Oh wait Nintendo doesn't even really do E3 huh?
Juliamon: Congrats E3, you've evolved into... I dunno, Kotaku
Raiz0k: @TheMerricat : I sense some experience-derived bitterness in version control choice :p....
ewhac: Oh, man, I totally forgot about Perforce...
ashiok_nightmare_moose: The videos were at least under the same search terms though
DoodlestheGreat: @izandai, they'll have a booth there, but they don't do a presser.
TheMerricat: But... how do we get booth babes via online ????
Izandai: @TheMerricat Vtubers.
EldarLuin: @TheMerricat Pretty sure you can just google booth babes...
NotCainNorAbel: @TheMerricat It is the Internet. I can DM you some links :)
djalternative: E3 does make money for their lobbying efforts
kat2kool: The internet is hardly lacking is pictures of sexy people
TheMerricat: @raiz0k luckily I'm learning version control stuff on my own using Skyrim modding for the driver :D
ewhac: (If you have too much money, you use ClearCase.)
MAPBoardgames: That is the point of a convention. Meeting other people in your industry.
accountmadeforants: Oh yeah!
GapFiller: I DO remember that yes
GapFiller: thank God for small mercies eh
djalternative: Also, E3 has doxed all of their journos twice
Orgmastron: Also remember that the ESA doxxed journalists
MichaelVYee: Installation anxiety remake was in 2010??? (As per lrrwiki)
DoodlestheGreat: Sweeps were in May and September.
rrtycoon2: so many season finales.
kat2kool: oh yeah, i forgot about sweeps
djalternative: Sweeps have basically gone away in favor of Upfronts
ewhac: "Tonight, on a very special Trapper John, MD..."
RockPusher: Crossovers, stunt casting, very special episodes - oh my! sergeMoly
Pinwiz11: I thought sweeps helped set ad pricing
Plasterboard: Shark Week
LarkSachrosis: And Hulu ads are just weird
GapFiller: Plasterboard thats... something else
DoodlestheGreat: Oh hell no. It's dead and gone, along with things like SatAM and Variety shows.
Raiz0k: @TheMerricat : oh, so that's why the binary blobs are so much of a pain point xD .
CururuGuasu: Sweeps was also a ratings tracking thing since it was hard to constantly widely track ratings back in the day
djalternative: Jeff's Summer Games Fest
djalternative: Even had a calendar feed
Izandai: Do they go back in after the pandemic?
GapFiller: ^
Izandai: Only a few people at these companies know for sure, and maybe not even them.
kat2kool: I'm guessing dodecahedron
ItsAstridEh: Wait, I just realised something, isn't next week Checkpoint 420?
DoodlestheGreat: They were pulling out because E3 was doing things like leaking all the credit cards of the attending journalists...
ewhac: How is vaccine distribution coming along in Canada?
TheMerricat: Why even have E3 these days with PAX as a thing
Raiz0k: ^
SquareDotCube: What if E3 just went back to its chill, low-key event roots before journalists started talking about it like it was the biggest thing? It doesn't really need to compete for the PAX space anymore
ItsAstridEh: @ewhac very slowly
djalternative: Next week is Checkpoint 420?
DoodlestheGreat: Earliest I would expect to try anything like a con would be this September.
Raiz0k: Yeah, the only diff is a "professional" vibe.
GapFiller: djalternative shhh
ItsAstridEh: @djalternative yeah, this week was 419
DoodlestheGreat: It's the gamer's Toy Fair.
Raiz0k: @djalternative : I'm still waiting for a Nigerian Prince scam this episode.
Izandai: PrideLaugh That sounds amazing
accountmadeforants: Æther3
GhostValv: lrrSPOOP
AdamYMHMI: E3 becomes the Black Friday or Boxing Day of video game announcements - no official organization, but everyone just agrees.
NotCainNorAbel: and then in a few years someone will try and get everyone to come to one place to do those announcements.
djalternative: the big thing will be the loss of revenue for ESA's lobby fund
ItsAstridEh: I hope they celebrate episode 420 by introducing the Checkpoint House Band (Aka the Feed Dump Band playing music in their houses)
ewhac: You realize that E3 was a response to an attempt to move Summer CES from Chicago to Philadephia(?).
Raiz0k: Oooooh.
Drathak: They announced hearthstone at pax years ago
MichaelVYee: It’s like a month of e3 annoucements
SkipIives: It’s necessary for business people to network and actually do business. PAX is great for marketing but it isn’t an industry thing.
Raiz0k: All those years, wasn't aware of that.
Izandai: Which one?
Lysander_Gustav: wow
niccus: makes it a lot easier to identify the killer though
djalternative: Next thing you know, people will be going to GDC as a consumer
Raiz0k: @djalternative : supposedly they already reduced the ~bribery~ lobbing funding, they should be fine.
MAPBoardgames: That's amazing
Lysander_Gustav: That sounds amazing
Pteraspidomorphi: Sounds great
Izandai: Okay, that *is* pretty good.
niccus: it should let you vote someone out
Izandai: But why?
josh___something: LOL
MAPBoardgames: Easier to mod, i guess?
Izandai: Wait you mean 64?
Laserbeaks_Fury: CLU
Izandai: Oh, Brawl. Thanks Merricat.
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RandomTrivia: Fornite does I'm Sorry I Haven't A CLU? lrrBEEJ
SodaTAddict: well that's just, like, your light cycle, man.
djalternative: Brawl makes sense. That had Project M
Laserbeaks_Fury: Everyone drops in a Rcognizer
RockPusher: !birb
LRRbot: Peck your beak!
PharaohBender27: Both in physical and computer form!
RandomTrivia: Ca-caw!
RandomTrivia: Amazing
Izandai: Now THAT I'm into.
Izandai: That's a very cool idea.
Juliamon: That's actually clever
Stoffern: But what does Nintendo think?
Stoffern: ah
Lysander_Gustav: oh
beowuuf: something something biomechanical jazz man something
Izandai: Yeah, that scans.
Lysander_Gustav: Nintendo comes down hard on fan creations
Laserbeaks_Fury: Love letter has TONS of different skins
WonderfulGlory: I think it was caution against Nintendo, not really against Stegmier games.
Izandai: I mean if it's all the same mechanical functionality of Wingspan, but available for free... Yeah, that's pretty sketch.
Juliamon: They realized Pokemon could come down on them
KaleidoscopeMind: Big pikachu is very protective
RandomTrivia: Pre-emptively dodging the Nintendo Cannons seems sensible
ewhac: "Ports and remakes and patches, oh my!"
Izandai: But I hope this person goes to the Wingspan devs and the Pokémon Company and is like "Hey, this thing got a lot of attention, let's make it real."
TehAmelie: a poort, if you will
Raiz0k: FootYellow
TehAmelie: the Poort cloud would be a good name for a poo joke parody of the Oort cloud, if there was ever any use for such a thing
ashiok_nightmare_moose: the original had some issues on my fairly good computer
RockPusher: or more - we weren't paid enough to be able to actually make this work
TheMerricat: Contracts
RockPusher: or, we just aren't up to the task
Juliamon: Because capitalism
ewhac: "Runs" on the Switch.
Raiz0k: @TehAmelie : you'll be joking all the way until astrophysicists announce the discovery of an abundance of aromatic hydrocarbons in the Oort cloud.
accountmadeforants: "Our contract is up"
ewhac: In exactly the same way Win10 "runs" on a netbook.
mitomanox: yay finally caught it live
Lysander_Gustav: Did the playstation store ever put cyberpunk back on their store?
TehAmelie: better keep the smelloscope away from that
Quaseymoto: Pillars 1 and 2 are both very good games.
mitomanox: people with helmets
RockPusher: I'm a people in the comments! lrrBEEJ
Izandai: You don't know until you try.
RomanGoro: Pillars is a very good couple of games, and also one that I'm surprised Paul in particular hasn't played
Invitare: People? In MY comments? It's more likely than you think
ewhac: Am I remembering the same Pillars of Eternity? Because I remember a game that didn't have a lot of graphics demands.
accountmadeforants: Pillars 1 was kinda jank, being a very early Kickstarter thing. Neat, though.
mister_foxhound: Surely people have never been in comments
Drathak: Yeah but the QA team would have known it was super buggy but pushed it through cert anyway
MichaelVYee: “Contractual obligated”
Mordin_Solus_Sings: Yes, though given the more visually complex games in the same genre that have excellent ports on Switch, it seems doubtful that it was actual hardware limitations rather than simply not having time/interest enough to fix.
ewhac: "You wrote this in FORTH? Oh, no...."
Raiz0k: :D
Mordin_Solus_Sings: PoE is Unity as well, it's not some baroque one-off engine.
Raiz0k: @Mordin_Solus_Sings : probably the difference is a specialized optimizing crew.
Field94: PoE is a Unity Engine game? any other unity games run weird on Switch?
Raiz0k: OK, but is PoE2 on Unity as well?
accountmadeforants: Mordin_Solus_Sings Early Unity, with a lot of custom tooling on top.
SodaTAddict: hmm, waiting for the game to be Ready to Load and Run, maybe?
neacon: what few things are there that you expect to work perfectly on the first release/iteration?
Raiz0k: *groan*
cuttlefishman: oh no
mitomanox: !next
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mowdownjoe: So, backdrafting?
CommiePuddin: backdraft yay
AlienNanobots: FNPF katesHype
massholexgaming: dude beej that hair
Snowcookies: Oh my
TheMerricat: not only are there other unity games on the switch, nintendo has it's own version it supports directly
LordZarano: Prisoner's Dilemma draft
TehAmelie: "why don't you try this deck?" mode from Shandalar, eh
Raiz0k: Prisoners' Dilemma: Draft Edition.
Wolfstrike_NL: Adam was very proud of what he drafted according to yesterdays lrrmtg
Lysander_Gustav: sabotage decks
DoodlestheGreat: James is really getting into Tarkov.
SodaTAddict: "If all decks are bad, no one's is?"
RockPusher: elfunkPopcorn elfunkPopcorn
mitomanox: yay rhythm cafe <3
AlienNanobots: If everyone screws over everyone, then you have a perfectly fair and level playing field!
RockPusher: lrrDOTS elfunkHeart lrrARROW
TehAmelie: and the many ways in which everyone gets screwed over will be funny (to us)
dappercuttlefish: i'm so excited for First Law!
mitomanox: beej you are absolutely rocking this hair. I'm sure you know it, but it needs to be said lrrHEART
mycosect: oh good, I was worried I'd missed when First Law hits
DoodlestheGreat: Cam's salivating.
Raiz0k: As long as it's not leaving acid on the GM table....
TheMerricat: last session they're all nothing but heads
ewhac: Not if they're the same androids frmo The Talos Principle...
DoodlestheGreat: And after Dice Friends is James with more Tarkov.
massholexgaming: beej kinda doc brownish
mitomanox: they could be broken in half, but still continue playing
neacon: Cam "Sounds like a challenge"
SkipIives: Episode 0 was great. Have any of you read The Murderbot Diaries?
TehAmelie: they get superhuman stats, but subhuman respect
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niccus: wait no! oxenfree has no ox! it's ox-free!
Banrael: Is there an MTG sale on the appearance card for the ox?
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Wolfstrike_NL: BEEJ?!
LunarJade: Beej stealing my house of lies bit.
josh___something: beejpls
BibitteNoire: Comedic factual misstatement
Juliamon: No bits are sacred anymore
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TheMerricat: Night chat, time for me to crash :) Remember, you all are awesome people. Be safe, be well, and be happy!
Raiz0k: Oh, so apparently I was the only who heard "awake" and not the obvious "a wig" xD.
Raiz0k: Likewise, TheMerricat!
DeM0nFiRe: So now I have the fun task of dismantling my computer setup so that I can move it tomorrow
ihlendrax: !next
LRRbot: Next scheduled stream: Friday Night Paper Fight (The LRR crew plays Magic! Tonight, Valentine's Gift Draft. Game: Magic: The Gathering) at Fri 05:00 PM PST (51m from now).
Earthenone: i wonder if we will see any of the drafting tonight
Earthenone: or if it will be the X we prepared earlier
Juliamon: Adam at least already did his draft
DeM0nFiRe: They prepared it already, Adam was mentioning yesterday that he already had the deck put together
DeM0nFiRe: Oh I guess theoretically some could do the deck building toay while some did earlier
DeM0nFiRe: They did do that for the zendikar thingy where they had 2 packs each of 3 zendikar sets. Everyone but Graham had their deck already
Earthenone: thats too bad, drafting is always my favorite part to watch, and it would be nice to hear off the cuff reasoning why they are picking X card for Y person etc.
DeM0nFiRe: Yeah would be neat to see
corpocracy: !next
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Earthenone: !time
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